[bolger] Re: Glue
> I am very interested in hearing about glues and paints that areThe Gorilla brand of foaming polyurethane touts itself as very low in
> effective and have low vocs.
solvents - they make a big deal of it in their advertising, e.g.
http://www.gorillaglue.com/faq.html
They say it is "100% solvent free" and odorless, and can be used on
food preparation surfaces.
Other polyurethanes have label warnings about solvents, and I think
they are different in that regard. I've noticed some very minor odors
with other polyurethanes (like PL), but not with Gorilla.
My only bone of contention with Gorilla is the price!
At any rate, I'm interested in using this stuff more around kids, so
I'd be curious to hear if a solvent-sensitive person can handle being
around the Gorilla brand, vs the other polyurethane brands like PL.
That sensitivity certainly gives you an extra challenge to overcome in
boatbuilding!
--Fritz
I haven't tried the 5200. I did try another 3M product I am not sure of
the # but it was recommended for seating hardware that might have to be
removed. It came in a caulk tube and in a small toothpaste tube. I
bought the toothpaste tube for installing the block of teak that held
the cam cleat for the leeboard on our Sea Pearl. I did find it had a
strong chemical smell like a very strong oil based primer. Years ago I
used a product called LifeCaulk that I found had a strong odor.
I looked at the 5200 both regular and fast cure at our local West
Marine and got scared by the dire warnings about smelling the fumes on
the label. Based on Gregg's recommendation I am going to try it,
probably on the gunwales of aft hull of the Folding Schooner.West
Marine also has a store brand that seems the same ingredients as the
regular 5200 for about $2 less a tube.
I think chemical sensitivity varies tremendously by individual. I have
a hard time staying in a store like West Marine for very long because
the vinyl smell bothers me so much.
I am very interested in hearing about glues and paints that are
effective and have low vocs.
Leander
ghc <ghart-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1009
the # but it was recommended for seating hardware that might have to be
removed. It came in a caulk tube and in a small toothpaste tube. I
bought the toothpaste tube for installing the block of teak that held
the cam cleat for the leeboard on our Sea Pearl. I did find it had a
strong chemical smell like a very strong oil based primer. Years ago I
used a product called LifeCaulk that I found had a strong odor.
I looked at the 5200 both regular and fast cure at our local West
Marine and got scared by the dire warnings about smelling the fumes on
the label. Based on Gregg's recommendation I am going to try it,
probably on the gunwales of aft hull of the Folding Schooner.West
Marine also has a store brand that seems the same ingredients as the
regular 5200 for about $2 less a tube.
I think chemical sensitivity varies tremendously by individual. I have
a hard time staying in a store like West Marine for very long because
the vinyl smell bothers me so much.
I am very interested in hearing about glues and paints that are
effective and have low vocs.
Leander
ghc <ghart-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1009
> 5200 is odorless and seemingly benign, very tough, though slow-curingyet
> (there is a fast cure also).
>
> GHC
>
> At 06:43 AM 11/30/1999 -0800, you wrote:
> >Dear Mike,
> > I am sensitive to most chemicals. Haven't gotten alergic to epoxy
> >but developed a skin rash from using the PL Foaming Glue. My Gypsymast
> >was made with Weldwood and is nine years old and going strong. Theand
> >marine caulk type products are pretty oderiforous in my experience
> >based on my experience with the Polyurethane glue I am staying awaydoesn't
> >from them. I am going to use Titebond II, a weatherproof carpenters
> >glue and plenty of screws on the gunwales of the Folding Schooner.
> >Epoxy on the chines. Weldwood is probably fine for a boat that
> >live in the water. There is an outfit in WoodenBoat that advertisesstuff
> >alternatives to epoxy but I think you have to buy in relatively large
> >quantities. Resourcinol is also an option. Good Luck.
> >
> >Leander
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >teakdec-@...wrote:
> >
> >
> >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1004
> >> Hello fellow boat builders,
> >>
> >> I am allergic to epoxy. Just being in the same garage with the
> >makes mySpecifically,
> >> face turn red and puffy. So I have used mostly weldwood, but I'm
> >curious
> >> about the "new" glues on the market. The PL ???? and 3M5200?
> >>
> >> I have some work to do on my Windsprint mast partners.
> >I need
> >> to glue down to the hull bottom a customized block of wood on short
> >legs with
> >> a hole in it for the mast. What glue would you recommend?
> >>
> >> Mike Masten
> >
> >
5200 is odorless and seemingly benign, very tough, though slow-curing
(there is a fast cure also).
GHC
At 06:43 AM 11/30/1999 -0800, you wrote:
(there is a fast cure also).
GHC
At 06:43 AM 11/30/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>Dear Mike,
> I am sensitive to most chemicals. Haven't gotten alergic to epoxy yet
>but developed a skin rash from using the PL Foaming Glue. My Gypsy mast
>was made with Weldwood and is nine years old and going strong. The
>marine caulk type products are pretty oderiforous in my experience and
>based on my experience with the Polyurethane glue I am staying away
>from them. I am going to use Titebond II, a weatherproof carpenters
>glue and plenty of screws on the gunwales of the Folding Schooner.
>Epoxy on the chines. Weldwood is probably fine for a boat that doesn't
>live in the water. There is an outfit in WoodenBoat that advertises
>alternatives to epoxy but I think you have to buy in relatively large
>quantities. Resourcinol is also an option. Good Luck.
>
>Leander
>
>
>
>
>teakdec-@...wrote:
>
>
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1004
>> Hello fellow boat builders,
>>
>> I am allergic to epoxy. Just being in the same garage with the stuff
>makes my
>> face turn red and puffy. So I have used mostly weldwood, but I'm
>curious
>> about the "new" glues on the market. The PL ???? and 3M5200?
>>
>> I have some work to do on my Windsprint mast partners. Specifically,
>I need
>> to glue down to the hull bottom a customized block of wood on short
>legs with
>> a hole in it for the mast. What glue would you recommend?
>>
>> Mike Masten
>
>
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Dear Mike,
I am sensitive to most chemicals. Haven't gotten alergic to epoxy yet
but developed a skin rash from using the PL Foaming Glue. My Gypsy mast
was made with Weldwood and is nine years old and going strong. The
marine caulk type products are pretty oderiforous in my experience and
based on my experience with the Polyurethane glue I am staying away
from them. I am going to use Titebond II, a weatherproof carpenters
glue and plenty of screws on the gunwales of the Folding Schooner.
Epoxy on the chines. Weldwood is probably fine for a boat that doesn't
live in the water. There is an outfit in WoodenBoat that advertises
alternatives to epoxy but I think you have to buy in relatively large
quantities. Resourcinol is also an option. Good Luck.
Leander
teakdec-@...wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1004
I am sensitive to most chemicals. Haven't gotten alergic to epoxy yet
but developed a skin rash from using the PL Foaming Glue. My Gypsy mast
was made with Weldwood and is nine years old and going strong. The
marine caulk type products are pretty oderiforous in my experience and
based on my experience with the Polyurethane glue I am staying away
from them. I am going to use Titebond II, a weatherproof carpenters
glue and plenty of screws on the gunwales of the Folding Schooner.
Epoxy on the chines. Weldwood is probably fine for a boat that doesn't
live in the water. There is an outfit in WoodenBoat that advertises
alternatives to epoxy but I think you have to buy in relatively large
quantities. Resourcinol is also an option. Good Luck.
Leander
teakdec-@...wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1004
> Hello fellow boat builders,makes my
>
> I am allergic to epoxy. Just being in the same garage with the stuff
> face turn red and puffy. So I have used mostly weldwood, but I'mcurious
> about the "new" glues on the market. The PL ???? and 3M5200?I need
>
> I have some work to do on my Windsprint mast partners. Specifically,
> to glue down to the hull bottom a customized block of wood on shortlegs with
> a hole in it for the mast. What glue would you recommend?
>
> Mike Masten
Hi Mike:
I've had good luck with the PL polyurethane on a variety of projects.
There's some of it here and there in the windsprint, although I used
epoxy for the big jobs. I've also used Weldwood for things like gluing
up the two layers of the daggerboard. Both work really well, but
remember, neither are gap filling so the fit of the wood pieces must be
good. PL is really cheap and you don't have to mix it up!
Robert Lundy
teakdec-@...wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1004
I've had good luck with the PL polyurethane on a variety of projects.
There's some of it here and there in the windsprint, although I used
epoxy for the big jobs. I've also used Weldwood for things like gluing
up the two layers of the daggerboard. Both work really well, but
remember, neither are gap filling so the fit of the wood pieces must be
good. PL is really cheap and you don't have to mix it up!
Robert Lundy
teakdec-@...wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1004
> Hello fellow boat builders,makes my
>
> I am allergic to epoxy. Just being in the same garage with the stuff
> face turn red and puffy. So I have used mostly weldwood, but I'mcurious
> about the "new" glues on the market. The PL ???? and 3M5200?I need
>
> I have some work to do on my Windsprint mast partners. Specifically,
> to glue down to the hull bottom a customized block of wood on shortlegs with
> a hole in it for the mast. What glue would you recommend?
>
> Mike Masten
Epoxy would be the best. But it is not the only way to skin a cat.
Given your condition, dogging the thing down with a handful of wood screws
would be the easiest and lowest health-risk alternative. I'd probably bed it
in 5200 (available at Home Depot!) just to be safe. Plug and fair the screw
heads with Bondo.
John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
jmbell@...
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
Given your condition, dogging the thing down with a handful of wood screws
would be the easiest and lowest health-risk alternative. I'd probably bed it
in 5200 (available at Home Depot!) just to be safe. Plug and fair the screw
heads with Bondo.
John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
jmbell@...
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
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Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 11:20 PM
Subject: [bolger] Glue
> Hello fellow boat builders,
>
> I am allergic to epoxy. Just being in the same garage with the stuff makes
my
> face turn red and puffy. So I have used mostly weldwood, but I'm curious
> about the "new" glues on the market. The PL ???? and 3M5200?
>
> I have some work to do on my Windsprint mast partners. Specifically, I
need
> to glue down to the hull bottom a customized block of wood on short legs
with
> a hole in it for the mast. What glue would you recommend?
>
> Mike Masten
>
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Hello fellow boat builders,
I am allergic to epoxy. Just being in the same garage with the stuff makes my
face turn red and puffy. So I have used mostly weldwood, but I'm curious
about the "new" glues on the market. The PL ???? and 3M5200?
I have some work to do on my Windsprint mast partners. Specifically, I need
to glue down to the hull bottom a customized block of wood on short legs with
a hole in it for the mast. What glue would you recommend?
Mike Masten
I am allergic to epoxy. Just being in the same garage with the stuff makes my
face turn red and puffy. So I have used mostly weldwood, but I'm curious
about the "new" glues on the market. The PL ???? and 3M5200?
I have some work to do on my Windsprint mast partners. Specifically, I need
to glue down to the hull bottom a customized block of wood on short legs with
a hole in it for the mast. What glue would you recommend?
Mike Masten