Re: next boat/lapstrake on the brain
I was unaware how lapstrake could grow hair back --
what boat plan was that again?
Phil Lea,
Russellville, Arkansas
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what boat plan was that again?
Phil Lea,
Russellville, Arkansas
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Well I jumped off and bought a SJ 21
yesterday.
It is in the central Texas area and I won't be able
to pick
her up for a couple of weeks. " Now I are a
sailor!! "
If anyone is interested I'll post a pic when I get
her.
James Fuller
----- Original Message -----From:StepHydro@...Sent:Friday, February 23, 2001 10:36 AMSubject:Re: [bolger] WW Potter 15In a message dated 02/23/2001 1:<BR29:<BR04 PM
Eastern Standard ,james@...writes:
> the ease of towing, ease of putting her in and getting her out of the
> water, and one handed sailing.
I am in no way trying to talk you into a SJ21; however, on those three
points, the SJ is about as handy as the WWP. I think the SJ fails in the
looks department, but as a *sailboat* it is really a better design, and it
gets better the larger (both number and size) your family or sailing crew is.
I've sailed on both (more on the SJ) and I must say that the WWP was
disapointing (actually, boring :-) in light air. If you have a lot of that
where you sail....well....
Cheers/Carron
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Seth,
Have you seen the latest MAIBs?Bolger shows an up-dated version of
the beautiful SPARTINA and this time she has an electric powerplant
with the batteries stored in a box-keel type of arrangement.Almost
brings her into the MICRO class for stability but offers you the
wonderful opportunity to do some sweet lining-off for those lapstrake
planks!Shouldn't be too much of a problem off and on a trailer.Looks
like a glorious way to do some daysailing/picnicking.Just imagine
yourself leaning against a shady island tree right near the waters
edge at around high noon.Big wicker lunch basket at hand stuffed with
fresh cheeses,fruits,a baguette or two and some earthy red wine.As the
wind rustles the overhead leaves and tosses your hair about in
refreshing little puffs,you sip quietly as your eyes gaze lovingly at
that mezmerizing collection of sweeping lines afforded by your own
SPARTINA which lies anchored a few feet off the beach in warm
knee-deep water.As she tugs gently at her anchor and gets swung around
by the summer breeze,she reveals more of her shape for your endless
pleasure,the overhead sun casting neat shadows toward the tuck of her
transom.As your senses savour the pungent mingling of fresh cheese and
old wine,you still marvel at this obvious beauty that lays before
you;the fruit of your own labours!It has been weeks now since you
launched her and you haven't yet found a way to rid your face of what
is fast becoming a permanent smile!
Check her out!A real cutey..........
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,waiting for robins,on the shores of the St.Lawrence.....
Have you seen the latest MAIBs?Bolger shows an up-dated version of
the beautiful SPARTINA and this time she has an electric powerplant
with the batteries stored in a box-keel type of arrangement.Almost
brings her into the MICRO class for stability but offers you the
wonderful opportunity to do some sweet lining-off for those lapstrake
planks!Shouldn't be too much of a problem off and on a trailer.Looks
like a glorious way to do some daysailing/picnicking.Just imagine
yourself leaning against a shady island tree right near the waters
edge at around high noon.Big wicker lunch basket at hand stuffed with
fresh cheeses,fruits,a baguette or two and some earthy red wine.As the
wind rustles the overhead leaves and tosses your hair about in
refreshing little puffs,you sip quietly as your eyes gaze lovingly at
that mezmerizing collection of sweeping lines afforded by your own
SPARTINA which lies anchored a few feet off the beach in warm
knee-deep water.As she tugs gently at her anchor and gets swung around
by the summer breeze,she reveals more of her shape for your endless
pleasure,the overhead sun casting neat shadows toward the tuck of her
transom.As your senses savour the pungent mingling of fresh cheese and
old wine,you still marvel at this obvious beauty that lays before
you;the fruit of your own labours!It has been weeks now since you
launched her and you haven't yet found a way to rid your face of what
is fast becoming a permanent smile!
Check her out!A real cutey..........
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,waiting for robins,on the shores of the St.Lawrence.....
--- In bolger@y..., macinkos@m... wrote:
>
> I've got lapstrake fever at the moment and in increasing size
> increments ponder: Japanese Beach Cruiser (I could take on the
Oldshoe
> crowd), Nord Koester (mentioned some time ago on this site but for
> those that don't know it, check it out at William Clements site:
> www.boatbldr.com), and St. Valery.
>
> Of course the flaw in all this dreaming is my lack of skills--and
after
> the 4 1/2 hour Naval Jelly, I suppose, the patience-- to create
> anything as beautiful as these last two. Maybe I'll write to PCB&F
and
> ask about a "starter" lapstrake design. Then when I grow up I can
build
> a Spur II.
>
> In the meantime, I dream of selling the M-15 and building a Single-
> Handed Schooner (the Navel Jelly was just a trial run of this
really)
> and the new centerboard redesign of the Catfish Beachcruiser. Oh
yeah,
> then there is the Summer Ease design.... it really is an affliction.
>
> Seth
I took a look at all the items on ebay under Boating/Sail. There were
several small sailboats of 15-20 size at various prices. The most
Potter-like was a 15' Captiva.
PHV
several small sailboats of 15-20 size at various prices. The most
Potter-like was a 15' Captiva.
PHV
Actually, Spur II wouldn't be a bad "starter" design for glued
plywood lapstrake at all. Reasonable size, easy curves in the
planking, not much structure besides the hull. It ain't nearly as
hard as it looks. I suggest Tom Hill's book "Ultralight
Boatbuilding". Honestly, once you get the hang of it, I think it's a
lot less hassle than taped-seam construction, mainly because you
don't have to spend hours and hours sanding the $%#@! fiberglass.
Main problem is that you need a lot of clamps, but you can make them
up yourself fairly easily. All the clamps I used to build a Tom Hill
canoe were too shallow for the wider strakes on the lapstrake
Cartopper variant I'm currently building, so I made U-shaped plywood
things with wedges; they worked fine and cost almost nothing. I just
hope it gets warm enough for epoxy to cure soon!
plywood lapstrake at all. Reasonable size, easy curves in the
planking, not much structure besides the hull. It ain't nearly as
hard as it looks. I suggest Tom Hill's book "Ultralight
Boatbuilding". Honestly, once you get the hang of it, I think it's a
lot less hassle than taped-seam construction, mainly because you
don't have to spend hours and hours sanding the $%#@! fiberglass.
Main problem is that you need a lot of clamps, but you can make them
up yourself fairly easily. All the clamps I used to build a Tom Hill
canoe were too shallow for the wider strakes on the lapstrake
Cartopper variant I'm currently building, so I made U-shaped plywood
things with wedges; they worked fine and cost almost nothing. I just
hope it gets warm enough for epoxy to cure soon!
--- In bolger@y..., macinkos@m... wrote:
> I've got lapstrake fever at the moment . . . .Maybe I'll write to
PCB&F and
> ask about a "starter" lapstrake design. Then when I grow up I can
build
> a Spur II.
>
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, James Fuller wrote:
ugly, and it's much more of a handful to sail. People who do sail it are
racers, not cruisers.
If it were up to me, I wouldn't go with an SJ21. If you're in that market
(it's substantially larger, heavier, and much more difficult to trailer),
then I'd look at a Catalina 22. More attractive, more of them, easier to
sail, great group of cruiser and racers (and so many, you can pick which
group to hang out with). Much, much nicer interior, more comfortable to
sail in, and EXCELLENT support for service and parts.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
> After all the discussion that I have seen I think that the members areYes, but it's ugly and substantially less seaworthy. The interior is
> right in their suggestion. I am now looking for a SJ 21 MK 2 within
> driving distance of eastern NM. It seems to have all of the
> advantages of the WW Potter 15 and in addition is much larger and
> faster. It can also be bought in good used condition for half as many
> dollars!
ugly, and it's much more of a handful to sail. People who do sail it are
racers, not cruisers.
If it were up to me, I wouldn't go with an SJ21. If you're in that market
(it's substantially larger, heavier, and much more difficult to trailer),
then I'd look at a Catalina 22. More attractive, more of them, easier to
sail, great group of cruiser and racers (and so many, you can pick which
group to hang out with). Much, much nicer interior, more comfortable to
sail in, and EXCELLENT support for service and parts.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
Hi,
Sorry to have gotten the group off the subject, and
this will be my last post.
After all the discussion that I have seen I think
that the members are right in
their suggestion. I am now looking for a SJ
21 MK 2 within driving distance
of eastern NM. It seems to have all of the
advantages of the WW Potter 15
and in addition is much larger and faster. It
can also be bought in good used
condition for half as many dollars!
Thanks for the help.
James Fuller
--- In bolger@y..., "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@d...> wrote:
I've got lapstrake fever at the moment and in increasing size
increments ponder: Japanese Beach Cruiser (I could take on the Oldshoe
crowd), Nord Koester (mentioned some time ago on this site but for
those that don't know it, check it out at William Clements site:
www.boatbldr.com), and St. Valery.
Of course the flaw in all this dreaming is my lack of skills--and after
the 4 1/2 hour Naval Jelly, I suppose, the patience-- to create
anything as beautiful as these last two. Maybe I'll write to PCB&F and
ask about a "starter" lapstrake design. Then when I grow up I can build
a Spur II.
In the meantime, I dream of selling the M-15 and building a Single-
Handed Schooner (the Navel Jelly was just a trial run of this really)
and the new centerboard redesign of the Catfish Beachcruiser. Oh yeah,
then there is the Summer Ease design.... it really is an affliction.
Seth
>Good question. Write when you have the answer.
> Seth:
>
> What IS your next building project? A lapstrake Chebacco?
>
> Chuck
>
I've got lapstrake fever at the moment and in increasing size
increments ponder: Japanese Beach Cruiser (I could take on the Oldshoe
crowd), Nord Koester (mentioned some time ago on this site but for
those that don't know it, check it out at William Clements site:
www.boatbldr.com), and St. Valery.
Of course the flaw in all this dreaming is my lack of skills--and after
the 4 1/2 hour Naval Jelly, I suppose, the patience-- to create
anything as beautiful as these last two. Maybe I'll write to PCB&F and
ask about a "starter" lapstrake design. Then when I grow up I can build
a Spur II.
In the meantime, I dream of selling the M-15 and building a Single-
Handed Schooner (the Navel Jelly was just a trial run of this really)
and the new centerboard redesign of the Catfish Beachcruiser. Oh yeah,
then there is the Summer Ease design.... it really is an affliction.
Seth
In a message dated 02/23/2001 11:<BR11:<BR25 PM
Eastern Standard,macinkos@...writes:
drawing of it???
Cheers/Carron
Eastern Standard,macinkos@...writes:
> Nord Koester??There's one with which I'm not familiar!! Anyone have a link to a pic or a
drawing of it???
Cheers/Carron
> Well, I (shamelessly) happen to have a M-15 that isSeth:
> currently for sale to raise funds for my next building project (the
> sign of true addiction I know). Contact off list please if interested.
> Now what Bolger design would come the closest to that lovely lapstrake
> stub keel/centerboard hull of the M-15? Nord Koester??
>
> Seth Macinko
What IS your next building project? A lapstrake Chebacco?
Chuck
P.S. thanks for getting us back on Bolger
In the spirit of getting this thread back onto Bolger boats, may I
suggest that anyone considering a Potter 15 consider a Montgomery 15
instead (or at least as well)? (also mentioned in Larry Brown's book,
and no flame intended but a world of difference in capability between
the P-15 and the M-15)
There is a connection to Lyle Hess here but how does this get us back
to Bolger? Well, I (shamelessly) happen to have a M-15 that is
currently for sale to raise funds for my next building project (the
sign of true addiction I know). Contact off list please if interested.
Now what Bolger design would come the closest to that lovely lapstrake
stub keel/centerboard hull of the M-15? Nord Koester??
Seth Macinko
suggest that anyone considering a Potter 15 consider a Montgomery 15
instead (or at least as well)? (also mentioned in Larry Brown's book,
and no flame intended but a world of difference in capability between
the P-15 and the M-15)
There is a connection to Lyle Hess here but how does this get us back
to Bolger? Well, I (shamelessly) happen to have a M-15 that is
currently for sale to raise funds for my next building project (the
sign of true addiction I know). Contact off list please if interested.
Now what Bolger design would come the closest to that lovely lapstrake
stub keel/centerboard hull of the M-15? Nord Koester??
Seth Macinko
Read Larry Brown's book Cruising on a Micro Budget. It should be on
the required reading list for all Bolgerites!
I have actually sailed past Larry in his Potter on a number of
occasions when he used to ply the waters south of Cape Cod. The boat
takes the dirty stuff in style, riding over the waves like a duck.
I too considered buying one until I visited their web site. It seems
that the boat can capsize with the dagger board up, and when there
is not cover over the daggerboard trunk the boat swamps with the
dagger board trunk BELOW the new waterline making the boat impossible
to bail.
I will stick with my Micro, Keel in position waiting for a good
gluing day to raise it into its slot and nail it in place for good.
Its amazing what you can do with floorjacks and 6' pry bars, and a
come-along!
David Jost
"smelling mud for the first time since November, in Boston"
the required reading list for all Bolgerites!
I have actually sailed past Larry in his Potter on a number of
occasions when he used to ply the waters south of Cape Cod. The boat
takes the dirty stuff in style, riding over the waves like a duck.
I too considered buying one until I visited their web site. It seems
that the boat can capsize with the dagger board up, and when there
is not cover over the daggerboard trunk the boat swamps with the
dagger board trunk BELOW the new waterline making the boat impossible
to bail.
I will stick with my Micro, Keel in position waiting for a good
gluing day to raise it into its slot and nail it in place for good.
Its amazing what you can do with floorjacks and 6' pry bars, and a
come-along!
David Jost
"smelling mud for the first time since November, in Boston"
Well,
I could be talked into one. I am in eastern
NM and there
arent a lot of boats near here. There is an
SJ21 about
500miles from here that sounds to be in very good
condition
with lots of extras at about 1/2 the price of a new
Potter.
If it is easy in and out and can be sailed single
handed
I would certainly want to look at it.
Again, This is exactly the kind of info I wanted.
There is almost no-one around here here that I could ask and
expect informedopinions/answers
from.
I am drawn to the Potter for the above reasons and
because
their owners seem to uniformly love them. Plus a
new one,
ready to go, is about $6500.00.
The average wind here is about 11 knots.
James
----- Original Message -----From:StepHydro@...Sent:Friday, February 23, 2001 10:36 AMSubject:Re: [bolger] WW Potter 15In a message dated 02/23/2001 1:<BR29:<BR04 PM
Eastern Standard ,james@...writes:
> the ease of towing, ease of putting her in and getting her out of the
> water, and one handed sailing.
I am in no way trying to talk you into a SJ21; however, on those three
points, the SJ is about as handy as the WWP. I think the SJ fails in the
looks department, but as a *sailboat* it is really a better design, and it
gets better the larger (both number and size) your family or sailing crew is.
I've sailed on both (more on the SJ) and I must say that the WWP was
disapointing (actually, boring :-) in light air. If you have a lot of that
where you sail....well....
Cheers/Carron
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Since the request was for opinions about the WWP, I give you
Opinions. I don't really have any facts except observations.
It depends a great deal on where you are doing your sailing.
The Potter, being of British origin, has a small rig for the
legendary breeziness of UK sailing conditions. For just about
anywhere in the US but San Francisco Bay or Buzzards Bay, you could
use a boat with a bigger rig.
Of course, if you are going to sail on a lake that's only a mile
across, then what does it matter.
The San Juan 21's sail quite well, but as far I as I know, all the
existing ones are pretty old. That means cheap, which is good, but
some are going to be in pretty tough shape by now.
I had a Santana 21, which was a nice boat in some ways, but not the
sort of thing I would want to launch and retrieve on every sailing
day. The stub keel keeps it high on the trailer. A better proposition
would be an O'Day Mariner (or the newer boats built to the same
design by Stuart). I had one and they sail very well. They are
probably about equal to, or easier than, the SJ21 in
launch/retrieval. Another small cabin boat that appeals to me a
little is the 17' Sirius by Vandestat and McGruer of Canada.
Peter
Opinions. I don't really have any facts except observations.
It depends a great deal on where you are doing your sailing.
The Potter, being of British origin, has a small rig for the
legendary breeziness of UK sailing conditions. For just about
anywhere in the US but San Francisco Bay or Buzzards Bay, you could
use a boat with a bigger rig.
Of course, if you are going to sail on a lake that's only a mile
across, then what does it matter.
The San Juan 21's sail quite well, but as far I as I know, all the
existing ones are pretty old. That means cheap, which is good, but
some are going to be in pretty tough shape by now.
I had a Santana 21, which was a nice boat in some ways, but not the
sort of thing I would want to launch and retrieve on every sailing
day. The stub keel keeps it high on the trailer. A better proposition
would be an O'Day Mariner (or the newer boats built to the same
design by Stuart). I had one and they sail very well. They are
probably about equal to, or easier than, the SJ21 in
launch/retrieval. Another small cabin boat that appeals to me a
little is the 17' Sirius by Vandestat and McGruer of Canada.
Peter
In a message dated 2/23/2001 10:31:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
james@...writes:
<< I have been thinking about buying a WW Potter 15 for
weekend sailing while I am building on my wooden
boat.
Any opiniions pro or con on the Potter? >>
I saw my first one this weekend - and was amazed at how tiny a 15' boat this
is. Way too small me. Steve
james@...writes:
<< I have been thinking about buying a WW Potter 15 for
weekend sailing while I am building on my wooden
boat.
Any opiniions pro or con on the Potter? >>
I saw my first one this weekend - and was amazed at how tiny a 15' boat this
is. Way too small me. Steve
While at the potter site take a look at thier potter 19 also a great little
boat and very sea worthy.
Michael Surface
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boat and very sea worthy.
Michael Surface
>From:StepHydro@..._________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [bolger] WW Potter 15
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:44:17 EST
>
>On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, James Fuller wrote:
> > I have been thinking about buying a WW Potter 15 for weekend sailing
> > while I am building on my wooden boat. Any opiniions pro or con on the
> > Potter?
>
>If Chris' reply puts yoiu off at all, you might consider a San Juan 21.
>These
>address all the slight negatives Chris mentioned, but give up the "offshore
>capability" :-)
>
>I've seen them even cheaper than the average WWPs. Nice cabin and
>cockpit...you get that for the extra length...and still very handy.
>
>Cities with racing fleets of them are good places to look. Sarasota FL is
>one
>of those.
>
>Cheers/Carron
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Chris,
That is exactly the kind of info I was looking
for. How would
you estimate that the Potter would compare to the
Micro
in terms of ease of sailing, speed and interior
room?
Thanks,
James
----- Original Message -----From:Chris CrandallSent:Friday, February 23, 2001 8:04 AMSubject:Re: [bolger] WW Potter 15On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, James Fuller wrote:
> I have been thinking about buying a WW Potter 15 for weekend sailing
> while I am building on my wooden boat. Any opiniions pro or con on the
> Potter?
The Potter is a great little boat, with emphasis on little. There is a
cabin, which is not exactly miniscule, but let's settle on small.
People who own them, love them. They are affordable, easy to rig and tow,
they are jaunty looking, and kinda slow (not bad for 14 feet, I know they
say 15, but they're really 14).
One very good thing in their favor is a strong group of owners, clubs,
sailing events, and so on.
They have a nice website with good pictures at:
http://potter-yachters.org/
If you're a speed demon, and around the buoys racer, or a sail tweaker,
you will not be satisfied with a Potter. But they are seaworthy enough to
cross the Atlantic.
Chris Crandall crandall@... (785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
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Thanks for the help.
The reasons that I like the WW Potter are: the
ease of towing, ease of putting her in and getting her out of the
water, and one handed sailing. I looked up
the San Juan 21
and it is a nice boat. I will do some
research and see if
I think I could handle it. I have already
found a nice one
fairly close to me as well. The internet
is a truly wondefull
device.
James Fuller
----- Original Message -----From:StepHydro@...Sent:Friday, February 23, 2001 8:44 AMSubject:Re: [bolger] WW Potter 15On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, James Fuller wrote:
> I have been thinking about buying a WW Potter 15 for weekend sailing
> while I am building on my wooden boat. Any opiniions pro or con on the
> Potter?
If Chris' reply puts yoiu off at all, you might consider a San Juan 21. These
address all the slight negatives Chris mentioned, but give up the "offshore
capability" :-)
I've seen them even cheaper than the average WWPs. Nice cabin and
cockpit...you get that for the extra length...and still very handy.
Cities with racing fleets of them are good places to look. Sarasota FL is one
of those.
Cheers/Carron
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, James Fuller wrote:
Interior is smaller on the Potter, but it will be quicker in stays.
The Potter is a skiff with a heavy centerboard and a low center of effort.
The Micro has higher sails, but more ballast. The interior on the Micro,
everyone says, is wrokable for camp cruising for two.
Potters do the same thing, but I'll bet with less comfort.
Sound would be different--wood vs. fiberglass and steel.
The Potter is a lesser solution. It's also less expensive, and faster,
and more common.
I'd do both--a Potter now, the Micro when it's finished abuildin'.
> That is exactly the kind of info I was looking for. How would youI'll have to estimate, never having seen a real Micro.
> estimate that the Potter would compare to the Micro in terms of ease
> of sailing, speed and interior room?
Interior is smaller on the Potter, but it will be quicker in stays.
The Potter is a skiff with a heavy centerboard and a low center of effort.
The Micro has higher sails, but more ballast. The interior on the Micro,
everyone says, is wrokable for camp cruising for two.
Potters do the same thing, but I'll bet with less comfort.
Sound would be different--wood vs. fiberglass and steel.
The Potter is a lesser solution. It's also less expensive, and faster,
and more common.
I'd do both--a Potter now, the Micro when it's finished abuildin'.
In a message dated 02/23/2001 1:<BR29:<BR04 PM
Eastern Standard ,james@...writes:
points, the SJ is about as handy as the WWP. I think the SJ fails in the
looks department, but as a *sailboat* it is really a better design, and it
gets better the larger (both number and size) your family or sailing crew is.
I've sailed on both (more on the SJ) and I must say that the WWP was
disapointing (actually, boring :-) in light air. If you have a lot of that
where you sail....well....
Cheers/Carron
Eastern Standard ,james@...writes:
> the ease of towing, ease of putting her in and getting her out of theI am in no way trying to talk you into a SJ21; however, on those three
> water, and one handed sailing.
points, the SJ is about as handy as the WWP. I think the SJ fails in the
looks department, but as a *sailboat* it is really a better design, and it
gets better the larger (both number and size) your family or sailing crew is.
I've sailed on both (more on the SJ) and I must say that the WWP was
disapointing (actually, boring :-) in light air. If you have a lot of that
where you sail....well....
Cheers/Carron
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, James Fuller wrote:
address all the slight negatives Chris mentioned, but give up the "offshore
capability" :-)
I've seen them even cheaper than the average WWPs. Nice cabin and
cockpit...you get that for the extra length...and still very handy.
Cities with racing fleets of them are good places to look. Sarasota FL is one
of those.
Cheers/Carron
> I have been thinking about buying a WW Potter 15 for weekend sailingIf Chris' reply puts yoiu off at all, you might consider a San Juan 21. These
> while I am building on my wooden boat. Any opiniions pro or con on the
> Potter?
address all the slight negatives Chris mentioned, but give up the "offshore
capability" :-)
I've seen them even cheaper than the average WWPs. Nice cabin and
cockpit...you get that for the extra length...and still very handy.
Cities with racing fleets of them are good places to look. Sarasota FL is one
of those.
Cheers/Carron
Hi,
I have been thinking about buyinga WW Potter 15 for
weekend sailing while I am building on my
wooden
boat.
Any opiniions pro or con on the
Potter?
Thanks,
James Fuller
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, James Fuller wrote:
cabin, which is not exactly miniscule, but let's settle on small.
People who own them, love them. They are affordable, easy to rig and tow,
they are jaunty looking, and kinda slow (not bad for 14 feet, I know they
say 15, but they're really 14).
One very good thing in their favor is a strong group of owners, clubs,
sailing events, and so on.
They have a nice website with good pictures at:
http://potter-yachters.org/
If you're a speed demon, and around the buoys racer, or a sail tweaker,
you will not be satisfied with a Potter. But they are seaworthy enough to
cross the Atlantic.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
> I have been thinking about buying a WW Potter 15 for weekend sailingThe Potter is a great little boat, with emphasis on little. There is a
> while I am building on my wooden boat. Any opiniions pro or con on the
> Potter?
cabin, which is not exactly miniscule, but let's settle on small.
People who own them, love them. They are affordable, easy to rig and tow,
they are jaunty looking, and kinda slow (not bad for 14 feet, I know they
say 15, but they're really 14).
One very good thing in their favor is a strong group of owners, clubs,
sailing events, and so on.
They have a nice website with good pictures at:
http://potter-yachters.org/
If you're a speed demon, and around the buoys racer, or a sail tweaker,
you will not be satisfied with a Potter. But they are seaworthy enough to
cross the Atlantic.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.