Re: Potter / my thumb hurts!
Merci, Peter,
Thanks for reminding us why we're on this list. Gawd, I was actually
thinking about buying some shapely piece of congealed snot instead of
building a Micro! Okay, it just lasted a minute, but....
Btw, I did find a robin today, and I'm just 250 km. south of you, in
the so-called "land-o-plenty". Unfortunately, the bird was frozen to
death,
(sigh)
porky galvin
Wondering when all this snow will finally melt, high above the banks
of the West Branch of the Delaware....
Thanks for reminding us why we're on this list. Gawd, I was actually
thinking about buying some shapely piece of congealed snot instead of
building a Micro! Okay, it just lasted a minute, but....
Btw, I did find a robin today, and I'm just 250 km. south of you, in
the so-called "land-o-plenty". Unfortunately, the bird was frozen to
death,
(sigh)
porky galvin
Wondering when all this snow will finally melt, high above the banks
of the West Branch of the Delaware....
--- In bolger@y..., ellengaest@b... wrote:
> David,
> Please capture the next robin you see,give it a stern talking
to
> and send his sorry a*s up to Montréal!We are just about at wits end
> with winter and to hear the happy horny warble of a robin or two
would
> sure get the sap running..........
> The quick fix which the used boat market appears to
> offer,especially in the land-o-plenty just south of me,is just
> that.With it comes no real pride of ownership resulting from ones
own
> efforts in the creativity/skills department.Perhaps the only
uniquely
> singular act involved is when one signs his John Henry at the
bottom
> of a $1000.00 check!After that,it is all down hill as one becomes
> awash in a sea of look-a-like production boats that have little to
> distinguish themselves from the next other then fading hull
> colours.However,the exhilarating high that accompanies the
> owner/builder on launching day is but the dénouement heureux in a
long
> series of beautiful creative moments spent on the learning curve of
> SELF.To be sure,the weeks,months and sometimes years that follow
the
> launch are absolutely pregnant with new discoveries,adventures and
> pleasures,not to mention schemes for perhaps another craft!With any
> sort of luck along the way,we may also re-discover in ourselves,a
> keener sense of quality and an appreciation for objects that no
> machine can copy and a respect for things not so easily disposable.
> On the other hand,perhaps life has just about sucked the
romance
> right out of some of us and re-defined it in a pre-packaged,handy
and
> cheaply manufactured thing.Who knows?!
> Sorry to hear about your keel tribulations!I usually stop the
> hammer swings after the first unholy meeting of flesh and
accelerated
> steel.Must be something in the Bostonian water supply that allowed
you
> to make it all the way to at least 5 hits.OUCH!! May I recommend a
> robust and earthy red Bordeaux as an alternative to the faucet? :-)
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,ornithologically challenged but not for much
longer,on
> the shores of the blasted St.Lawrence.............
David,
Please capture the next robin you see,give it a stern talking to
and send his sorry a*s up to Montréal!We are just about at wits end
with winter and to hear the happy horny warble of a robin or two would
sure get the sap running..........
The quick fix which the used boat market appears to
offer,especially in the land-o-plenty just south of me,is just
that.With it comes no real pride of ownership resulting from ones own
efforts in the creativity/skills department.Perhaps the only uniquely
singular act involved is when one signs his John Henry at the bottom
of a $1000.00 check!After that,it is all down hill as one becomes
awash in a sea of look-a-like production boats that have little to
distinguish themselves from the next other then fading hull
colours.However,the exhilarating high that accompanies the
owner/builder on launching day is but the dénouement heureux in a long
series of beautiful creative moments spent on the learning curve of
SELF.To be sure,the weeks,months and sometimes years that follow the
launch are absolutely pregnant with new discoveries,adventures and
pleasures,not to mention schemes for perhaps another craft!With any
sort of luck along the way,we may also re-discover in ourselves,a
keener sense of quality and an appreciation for objects that no
machine can copy and a respect for things not so easily disposable.
On the other hand,perhaps life has just about sucked the romance
right out of some of us and re-defined it in a pre-packaged,handy and
cheaply manufactured thing.Who knows?!
Sorry to hear about your keel tribulations!I usually stop the
hammer swings after the first unholy meeting of flesh and accelerated
steel.Must be something in the Bostonian water supply that allowed you
to make it all the way to at least 5 hits.OUCH!! May I recommend a
robust and earthy red Bordeaux as an alternative to the faucet? :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,ornithologically challenged but not for much longer,on
the shores of the blasted St.Lawrence.............
Please capture the next robin you see,give it a stern talking to
and send his sorry a*s up to Montréal!We are just about at wits end
with winter and to hear the happy horny warble of a robin or two would
sure get the sap running..........
The quick fix which the used boat market appears to
offer,especially in the land-o-plenty just south of me,is just
that.With it comes no real pride of ownership resulting from ones own
efforts in the creativity/skills department.Perhaps the only uniquely
singular act involved is when one signs his John Henry at the bottom
of a $1000.00 check!After that,it is all down hill as one becomes
awash in a sea of look-a-like production boats that have little to
distinguish themselves from the next other then fading hull
colours.However,the exhilarating high that accompanies the
owner/builder on launching day is but the dénouement heureux in a long
series of beautiful creative moments spent on the learning curve of
SELF.To be sure,the weeks,months and sometimes years that follow the
launch are absolutely pregnant with new discoveries,adventures and
pleasures,not to mention schemes for perhaps another craft!With any
sort of luck along the way,we may also re-discover in ourselves,a
keener sense of quality and an appreciation for objects that no
machine can copy and a respect for things not so easily disposable.
On the other hand,perhaps life has just about sucked the romance
right out of some of us and re-defined it in a pre-packaged,handy and
cheaply manufactured thing.Who knows?!
Sorry to hear about your keel tribulations!I usually stop the
hammer swings after the first unholy meeting of flesh and accelerated
steel.Must be something in the Bostonian water supply that allowed you
to make it all the way to at least 5 hits.OUCH!! May I recommend a
robust and earthy red Bordeaux as an alternative to the faucet? :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,ornithologically challenged but not for much longer,on
the shores of the blasted St.Lawrence.............
--- In bolger@y..., djost@m... wrote:
> Ok,
> If you are looking for common sense, then I think you are in
> the wrong discussion group! Boating does not make any logical sense
> whatsoever. It is enjoyment for the sake of enjoyment. The fun
> comes through the process. Hey, its 28 degrees F outside, and I am
> playing with my boats. This is way too cool.
> One of the better reasons for building a boat is the
> satisfaction obtained by creating something yourself! The Potter is
> a good boat and people have done amazing voyages with them, but my
> boating cost today was only $18 for two 10' 2X8's that were ripped
> into 1/2" and 3/4 strips for gunwales, and such. It is much easier
> to amortize the cost of the boat over the long haul than to part
with
> a lot of cash at once!
> Today the keel was slid into its final resting place, and I
> hammered braces port and starboard onto the keel batten to
> temporarily hold it in place. I think I hit my thumb at least 5
> times . . . *@#$ But, I did it! The keel curve is almost perfect.
> That felt good.
> Then, I discovered that I had ripped the sheathing of marine
ply
> 1.5" too small because I forgot to allow for the keel batten! I
glad
> I found out prior to nailing and epoxying the thing in place.
> Apologies to Peter L. After having done this, I now have
> realized how much easier this would have been had I built in keel
> bolts in the first place. Live and learn . . . Tomorrow more
> projects!
>
> Happy Boating
> David Jost "giddy upon seeing a wayward robin today, and a
> couple of bluebirds"
>
> > snip
> > > I have had five sailboats, each less than $1000 including sails
> and
> > trailer.
> > > In fact, they are so affordable that there is no economic sense
> in
> > building a
> > > wooden boat of any size (just ask this list about the cost of
> > "extras"). Mind you,
> > > I said "economic" sense - there are many reasons to build! snip
Ok,
If you are looking for common sense, then I think you are in
the wrong discussion group! Boating does not make any logical sense
whatsoever. It is enjoyment for the sake of enjoyment. The fun
comes through the process. Hey, its 28 degrees F outside, and I am
playing with my boats. This is way too cool.
One of the better reasons for building a boat is the
satisfaction obtained by creating something yourself! The Potter is
a good boat and people have done amazing voyages with them, but my
boating cost today was only $18 for two 10' 2X8's that were ripped
into 1/2" and 3/4 strips for gunwales, and such. It is much easier
to amortize the cost of the boat over the long haul than to part with
a lot of cash at once!
Today the keel was slid into its final resting place, and I
hammered braces port and starboard onto the keel batten to
temporarily hold it in place. I think I hit my thumb at least 5
times . . . *@#$ But, I did it! The keel curve is almost perfect.
That felt good.
Then, I discovered that I had ripped the sheathing of marine ply
1.5" too small because I forgot to allow for the keel batten! I glad
I found out prior to nailing and epoxying the thing in place.
Apologies to Peter L. After having done this, I now have
realized how much easier this would have been had I built in keel
bolts in the first place. Live and learn . . . Tomorrow more
projects!
Happy Boating
David Jost "giddy upon seeing a wayward robin today, and a
couple of bluebirds"
If you are looking for common sense, then I think you are in
the wrong discussion group! Boating does not make any logical sense
whatsoever. It is enjoyment for the sake of enjoyment. The fun
comes through the process. Hey, its 28 degrees F outside, and I am
playing with my boats. This is way too cool.
One of the better reasons for building a boat is the
satisfaction obtained by creating something yourself! The Potter is
a good boat and people have done amazing voyages with them, but my
boating cost today was only $18 for two 10' 2X8's that were ripped
into 1/2" and 3/4 strips for gunwales, and such. It is much easier
to amortize the cost of the boat over the long haul than to part with
a lot of cash at once!
Today the keel was slid into its final resting place, and I
hammered braces port and starboard onto the keel batten to
temporarily hold it in place. I think I hit my thumb at least 5
times . . . *@#$ But, I did it! The keel curve is almost perfect.
That felt good.
Then, I discovered that I had ripped the sheathing of marine ply
1.5" too small because I forgot to allow for the keel batten! I glad
I found out prior to nailing and epoxying the thing in place.
Apologies to Peter L. After having done this, I now have
realized how much easier this would have been had I built in keel
bolts in the first place. Live and learn . . . Tomorrow more
projects!
Happy Boating
David Jost "giddy upon seeing a wayward robin today, and a
couple of bluebirds"
> snipand
> > I have had five sailboats, each less than $1000 including sails
> trailer.in
> > In fact, they are so affordable that there is no economic sense
> building a
> > wooden boat of any size (just ask this list about the cost of
> "extras"). Mind you,
> > I said "economic" sense - there are many reasons to build! snip
Building your own becomes very economical when you don't have a place
for a trailer and need something light enough for putting on top of
the car. It doesn't take many chiropractic sessions to make a
fiberglass boat very expensive. Now, I admit that a glass one man
canoe wouldn't bust my back, but I want a two person boat and I don't
really like canoes. We were able to pick up a used Brick, but I'd say
that's a fluke.
for a trailer and need something light enough for putting on top of
the car. It doesn't take many chiropractic sessions to make a
fiberglass boat very expensive. Now, I admit that a glass one man
canoe wouldn't bust my back, but I want a two person boat and I don't
really like canoes. We were able to pick up a used Brick, but I'd say
that's a fluke.
--- In bolger@y..., Jim Goeckermann <jim@s...> wrote:
> James,
snip
> I have had five sailboats, each less than $1000 including sails and
trailer.
> In fact, they are so affordable that there is no economic sense in
building a
> wooden boat of any size (just ask this list about the cost of
"extras"). Mind you,
> I said "economic" sense - there are many reasons to build! snip
James,
Greetings,
Saw your querry on the potter. There is one in my barn out
back. I had a catalina 22 and after that it looks like a
dinghy!! It is narrow and just plain tiny, BUT cute as can
be. For the small size it is stable and secure feeling. The
thing I like the most is that it is so easy to tow and set up.
But I must admit that the more I looked at it, the more I
wondered how it would hold us for the occasional
overnighter.... so much so that when I found a Venture 21 for
under $1000, I bought it too. (another inexpensive boat you
might consider - much faster than the potter, but 1000 pounds
lighter than the catalina 22.)
To give you a comparison, I have a Newport 15 that I am selling
for $850 with trailer and great sails..... run circles around
the Potter, but it is much tippier than the Potter, and to my wife,
it feels less secure. Also, if you are willing to move everything
into the cockpit, you can sleep in the potter, or at least get in out of
the rain.
Other things to consider - the wwp15 can be moved with oars or
an electric motor - saving the outboard that costs as much as a
used boat.
I have had five sailboats, each less than $1000 including sails and trailer.
In fact, they are so affordable that there is no economic sense in building a
wooden boat of any size (just ask this list about the cost of "extras"). Mind you,
I said "economic" sense - there are many reasons to build! In fact, one
can be money ahead to buy a 70's boat and throw away the hull, using the other
parts on the wooden ship of your dreams.
My bottom line advice - even in the "just thinking" stages, try
to get next to one. You will see why people move up to the WWP19,
BUT you will also be "smitten" by this jaunty little
"i-think-i-can" craft.
Best wishes,
Jim
Greetings,
Saw your querry on the potter. There is one in my barn out
back. I had a catalina 22 and after that it looks like a
dinghy!! It is narrow and just plain tiny, BUT cute as can
be. For the small size it is stable and secure feeling. The
thing I like the most is that it is so easy to tow and set up.
But I must admit that the more I looked at it, the more I
wondered how it would hold us for the occasional
overnighter.... so much so that when I found a Venture 21 for
under $1000, I bought it too. (another inexpensive boat you
might consider - much faster than the potter, but 1000 pounds
lighter than the catalina 22.)
To give you a comparison, I have a Newport 15 that I am selling
for $850 with trailer and great sails..... run circles around
the Potter, but it is much tippier than the Potter, and to my wife,
it feels less secure. Also, if you are willing to move everything
into the cockpit, you can sleep in the potter, or at least get in out of
the rain.
Other things to consider - the wwp15 can be moved with oars or
an electric motor - saving the outboard that costs as much as a
used boat.
I have had five sailboats, each less than $1000 including sails and trailer.
In fact, they are so affordable that there is no economic sense in building a
wooden boat of any size (just ask this list about the cost of "extras"). Mind you,
I said "economic" sense - there are many reasons to build! In fact, one
can be money ahead to buy a 70's boat and throw away the hull, using the other
parts on the wooden ship of your dreams.
My bottom line advice - even in the "just thinking" stages, try
to get next to one. You will see why people move up to the WWP19,
BUT you will also be "smitten" by this jaunty little
"i-think-i-can" craft.
Best wishes,
Jim