Re: Newbie Question

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <welshman@...> wrote:
> PDF file about 1.5 megs, I can send direct to you if you want.
> HJ

HJ,
thanks very much. That would be nice.
Graeme
PDF file about 1.5 megs, I can send direct to you if you want.

HJ

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From: graeme19121984 <graeme19121984@...>
Date: Sunday, April 23, 2006 11:16 pm
Subject: [bolger] Re: Newbie Question

> > I can scan if somebody is interested.
> Very interested. BolgerCartoons?
> Graeme
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...>
> wrote:
> > Please do or E- it to me
> > Jon
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:
> > > I can scan if somebody is interested
> > > HJ
> > John and Kathy Trussell wrote:
> > > > PCB's version is "Sparkler" found in 30 Odd Boats. Might be
> a
> > little too heavy for intended use in this case.
>
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "The Peillet-Long Family"
<owlnmole@...> wrote:
> That's enough for now, I am sure your head is already spinning
from all the options.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matthew
>
> PS--If you want to know more about that Brick for sale near
Boston, let me know--I built
> it!
>
Another boat that I think has a lot more interior space than appears
in the drawings is Catfish Beachcruiser:

http://www.instantboats.com/catfish.htm

There is also a photo of one called "Sweet Pea" built by Bill
McKibben. Last one shown at this link.

http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Page.html

The plans have since been upgraded by Bolger as well.

Nels
> I can scan if somebody is interested.
Very interested. BolgerCartoons?
Graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...>
wrote:
> Please do or E- it to me
> Jon
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:
> > I can scan if somebody is interested
> > HJ
> John and Kathy Trussell wrote:
> > > PCB's version is "Sparkler" found in 30 Odd Boats. Might be a
> little too heavy for intended use in this case.
David

How about a mess of small boats. For example, first build a Teal, just
about the simplest boat to build. Payson's book will hold your hand
through each step. (I have a few ideas on mods though.) Then you can
take the wife and kids out one at a time to learn the ropes. Then
build more as needed. You could end up with a whole fleet. Everyone
will be captain of their own ship. No one will have a chance to get
bored. I think this is the way to go, at least it would be if I were
in your situation. Must swim well and always wear your PFD. How old
are the kids?

Joe T

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, dacsus65@... wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I've been looking around for a simple to build, fun to sail boat for
my family to use on the lake (all of 300 yards from the house).
Bolger's design's seem to be the most popular, and I'm glad I found
this site.
>
> Now the question, I need a simple to build (I've got very limited
woodworking experience) boat that I can take 2 adults and 4 kids in on
sheltered water for a day sail. Oars would be the preferable
auxilliary power.
>
> So ... simple, stable and sizeable ... any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
Please do or E- it to me

Jon

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> I can scan if somebody is interested.
>
> HJ
>
> John and Kathy Trussell wrote:
> > PCB's version is "Sparkler" found in 30 Odd Boats. Might be a
little too heavy for intended use in this case.
> >
> > John T
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: graeme19121984
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:51 AM
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: Newbie Question
> >
> >
> > In the first para of the SBJ article on Cartoon 40 Bolger
mentions
> > Lightnings. Later he mentions other older V-bottomed classes of
cats
> > and skipjacks. Cartoon 40 is 15ft, and the stretch version
approaches
> > Lightning at 19ft 5in. Not sure, but this Cartoon may be
> > the "incomplete" plan that's a bit similar to the Lightning you
had in
> > mind.
> >
>
I can scan if somebody is interested.

HJ

John and Kathy Trussell wrote:
> PCB's version is "Sparkler" found in 30 Odd Boats. Might be a little too heavy for intended use in this case.
>
> John T
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: graeme19121984
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:51 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Newbie Question
>
>
> In the first para of the SBJ article on Cartoon 40 Bolger mentions
> Lightnings. Later he mentions other older V-bottomed classes of cats
> and skipjacks. Cartoon 40 is 15ft, and the stretch version approaches
> Lightning at 19ft 5in. Not sure, but this Cartoon may be
> the "incomplete" plan that's a bit similar to the Lightning you had in
> mind.
>
PCB's version is "Sparkler" found in 30 Odd Boats. Might be a little too heavy for intended use in this case.

John T
----- Original Message -----
From: graeme19121984
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:51 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Newbie Question


In the first para of the SBJ article on Cartoon 40 Bolger mentions
Lightnings. Later he mentions other older V-bottomed classes of cats
and skipjacks. Cartoon 40 is 15ft, and the stretch version approaches
Lightning at 19ft 5in. Not sure, but this Cartoon may be
the "incomplete" plan that's a bit similar to the Lightning you had in
mind.

See Bruce's scan:http://hallman.org/SBJ/64/and his model:
http://community.webshots.com/album/298174160oRSuXz

She may not suit a newbie as she requires a building form like the
Galley, Gull, and Otter etc.

Graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...>
wrote:
>
> This is not a Bolger but I heard he did something simaler to the
> Lightning class. It is 19' but kids don't stay small long so it
would
> have a long and usfull life. Nearly flat bottom fith a steel swing
> centerboard. Trailer could be pulled 300 yards with a lawn tractor.
> Some one may know what the Bolger boat is that is like it and if the
> plans where compleated.
>
>http://www.dngoodchild.com/divide_for_sail_boats.htm
>
> Jon
>







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On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:11:03 +0000,dacsus65@...wrote:
> I can honestly say that the poured lead keel is out of my reach at
> this point ...


So just buy a bunch of lead shot and pour it into place along with enough epoxy to glue it all together. Then you don't have to melt any lead. You'll need more volume but that's because epoxy is lighter than lead, so if you start with 200 pounds of lead shot the added weight of the epoxy will just be a "bonus" ... :)

Kenneth Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
In the first para of the SBJ article on Cartoon 40 Bolger mentions
Lightnings. Later he mentions other older V-bottomed classes of cats
and skipjacks. Cartoon 40 is 15ft, and the stretch version approaches
Lightning at 19ft 5in. Not sure, but this Cartoon may be
the "incomplete" plan that's a bit similar to the Lightning you had in
mind.

See Bruce's scan:http://hallman.org/SBJ/64/and his model:
http://community.webshots.com/album/298174160oRSuXz

She may not suit a newbie as she requires a building form like the
Galley, Gull, and Otter etc.

Graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...>
wrote:
>
> This is not a Bolger but I heard he did something simaler to the
> Lightning class. It is 19' but kids don't stay small long so it
would
> have a long and usfull life. Nearly flat bottom fith a steel swing
> centerboard. Trailer could be pulled 300 yards with a lawn tractor.
> Some one may know what the Bolger boat is that is like it and if the
> plans where compleated.
>
>http://www.dngoodchild.com/divide_for_sail_boats.htm
>
> Jon
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...> wrote:
>
> This is not a Bolger but I heard he did something simaler to the
> Lightning class. It is 19' but kids don't stay small long so it would
> have a long and usfull life. Nearly flat bottom fith a steel swing
> centerboard. Trailer could be pulled 300 yards with a lawn tractor.
> Some one may know what the Bolger boat is that is like it and if the
> plans where compleated.
>
>http://www.dngoodchild.com/divide_for_sail_boats.htm
>
> Jon
>
Follow link to one design and lightning.
This is not a Bolger but I heard he did something simaler to the
Lightning class. It is 19' but kids don't stay small long so it would
have a long and usfull life. Nearly flat bottom fith a steel swing
centerboard. Trailer could be pulled 300 yards with a lawn tractor.
Some one may know what the Bolger boat is that is like it and if the
plans where compleated.

http://www.dngoodchild.com/divide_for_sail_boats.htm

Jon
Ah, me. Old age and changing culture.

We couldn't afford it, but it was common when I was growing up for 8 year
olds to have kits where they could pour/mold/cast themselves armies of lead
soldiers. Very few serious injuries.

I've never cast lead in the hundreds of pounds, but pours of five or ten
pounds are trivial. Frying bacon is an equivalent hazard, IMO.

Roger (For our HS Class Play, a murder mystery, the local police chief
loaned us several pistols he'd confiscated. Of course, as property manager,
I had to take them home and test fire them in the basement. Dumb, but not
fatal.)
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm

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From: <dacsus65@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Newbie Question


>I can honestly say that the poured lead keel is out of my reach at this
>point for two very important reasons:
>
> 1 - I am just as likely to injure myself or others, not through
> ineptitude, I just have a building partner named Murphy who helps on every
> project.
>
> 2 - My wife would, and I have no doubts here, cancel this project before I
> even had a plan purchased at the thought of me buying, melting and pouring
> molten lead.
>
> David
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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David,

For simplicity and hauling a crowd, nothing beats a big, flat bottomed skiff.

PCB has done many of these. In addition, you might look at Atkins James Samuel,jr and Michalak's H C Skiff.

These 17 ft flat iron skiffs are about as simple to build as any thing, have decent seating for adults and room for children. They both have a single sail and the skipper gets to control the rudder and sheet without having to rely on untrained crew members.

Good luck.

John T
----- Original Message -----
From: The Peillet-Long Family
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:02 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Newbie Question


David, you've had some good suggestions there, and I agree that Oldshoe is not the boat
for you, though not because it's beyond you or anyone else (any of these boats are just a
series of simple steps, one after the other). No, I would say Oldshoe is not right because it
would be awkward to manhandle to the lake without a vehicle and trailer. Also, if you
have a home by a lake, then presumably you could be using this boat for many years, and
kids have a tendency to grow.

I also like Zephyr--have the plans I bought from Harold Payson--but it, too would not be
enough boat for you when the kids grow. I'd say build a boat for 6 adults so you. Here is
the link to all of Payson's plans--whether you buy plans from him or not, definitely get
both his "Instant Boats" and "New Instant Boats" books as they are the Old and New
Testament for this kind of precut plywood construction, and great fun to read.

http://www.instantboats.com/boats.html

I would definitely look at Jim Michalak's catalog as I think several of his designs would
work. His site is here (updated like a newsletter every two weeks), but you have to order
his paper catalog to really get a clear idea of what's available (he is very prolific):

http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/

For carrying a lot of people in a small boat, nothing beats a catboat in my biased opinion
(a native New Englander, and my Dad is from Chatham on Cape Cod). Here is a link to one
of Jim's interpretations of a catboat that might work for you:

http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/1feb06.htm#Blobster

That's enough for now, I am sure your head is already spinning from all the options.

Cheers,

Matthew

PS--If you want to know more about that Brick for sale near Boston, let me know--I built
it!



--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, dacsus65@... wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I've been looking around for a simple to build, fun to sail boat for my family to use on
the lake (all of 300 yards from the house). Bolger's design's seem to be the most popular,
and I'm glad I found this site.
>
> Now the question, I need a simple to build (I've got very limited woodworking
experience) boat that I can take 2 adults and 4 kids in on sheltered water for a day sail.
Oars would be the preferable auxilliary power.
>
> So ... simple, stable and sizeable ... any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>






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David, you've had some good suggestions there, and I agree that Oldshoe is not the boat
for you, though not because it's beyond you or anyone else (any of these boats are just a
series of simple steps, one after the other). No, I would say Oldshoe is not right because it
would be awkward to manhandle to the lake without a vehicle and trailer. Also, if you
have a home by a lake, then presumably you could be using this boat for many years, and
kids have a tendency to grow.

I also like Zephyr--have the plans I bought from Harold Payson--but it, too would not be
enough boat for you when the kids grow. I'd say build a boat for 6 adults so you. Here is
the link to all of Payson's plans--whether you buy plans from him or not, definitely get
both his "Instant Boats" and "New Instant Boats" books as they are the Old and New
Testament for this kind of precut plywood construction, and great fun to read.

http://www.instantboats.com/boats.html

I would definitely look at Jim Michalak's catalog as I think several of his designs would
work. His site is here (updated like a newsletter every two weeks), but you have to order
his paper catalog to really get a clear idea of what's available (he is very prolific):

http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/

For carrying a lot of people in a small boat, nothing beats a catboat in my biased opinion
(a native New Englander, and my Dad is from Chatham on Cape Cod). Here is a link to one
of Jim's interpretations of a catboat that might work for you:

http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/1feb06.htm#Blobster

That's enough for now, I am sure your head is already spinning from all the options.

Cheers,

Matthew

PS--If you want to know more about that Brick for sale near Boston, let me know--I built
it!



--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, dacsus65@... wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I've been looking around for a simple to build, fun to sail boat for my family to use on
the lake (all of 300 yards from the house). Bolger's design's seem to be the most popular,
and I'm glad I found this site.
>
> Now the question, I need a simple to build (I've got very limited woodworking
experience) boat that I can take 2 adults and 4 kids in on sheltered water for a day sail.
Oars would be the preferable auxilliary power.
>
> So ... simple, stable and sizeable ... any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
I can honestly say that the poured lead keel is out of my reach at this point for two very important reasons:

1 - I am just as likely to injure myself or others, not through ineptitude, I just have a building partner named Murphy who helps on every project.

2 - My wife would, and I have no doubts here, cancel this project before I even had a plan purchased at the thought of me buying, melting and pouring molten lead.

David



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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Grome <xbb@...> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:09:12 -0000, Nels wrote:
> > Becuase of the need to pour and install a lead keel, I would not
> > reccomend the Oldshoe or Micro as a initial project for a
beginner.
>
> You know ... melting and pouring lead is really easy. Some people
are afraid of it, but it's a very simple thing to do. You just have
to "follow the rules" and do it safely, that's all -- just like
using a power tool for example.
>
> If you're brain dead then you'll probably main or kill yourself
one way or another anyways, in which case you shouldn't even be
thinking about building a boat -- or anything else for that
matter ... :)
>
> But I agree that the WEIGHT of the Old Shoe keel might make it
more difficult to move on a dolly to the lake. Then again, a good
dolly should be able to deal with the extra 200 pounds easily.
>
> Kenneth Grome
> Bagacay Boatworks

You'll notice I never said it wasn't simple or easy to melt and pour
lead - just that I wouldn't recommend it to a first time builder.

You have to search out a source and collect the lead.

You have to construct a mold and obtain a source of heat and pouring
and skimming equipment.

Melting lead gives off dangerous noxious fumes and can splatter
dangerously if there is any moisture present.

You have to locate, align and install a 200 pound piece of lead in
the wooden keel structure and attach it all to the bottom of the
boat.

You might recommend that this is simple and easy for a first time
build, but I would not.

That's what discussion groups are all about:-)

Nels
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:09:12 -0000, Nels wrote:
> Becuase of the need to pour and install a lead keel, I would not
> reccomend the Oldshoe or Micro as a initial project for a beginner.

You know ... melting and pouring lead is really easy. Some people are afraid of it, but it's a very simple thing to do. You just have to "follow the rules" and do it safely, that's all -- just like using a power tool for example.

If you're brain dead then you'll probably main or kill yourself one way or another anyways, in which case you shouldn't even be thinking about building a boat -- or anything else for that matter ... :)

But I agree that the WEIGHT of the Old Shoe keel might make it more difficult to move on a dolly to the lake. Then again, a good dolly should be able to deal with the extra 200 pounds easily.

Kenneth Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Grome <xbb@...> wrote:
> I think Old Shoe is only 12' long ... but very big inside for its
short length. It is big enough for 6 people from what I've read, and
should be easy to move on a dolly from your house to the lake that's
only 300 yards away.
>
> Kenneth Grome
> Bagacay Boatworks

Becuase of the need to pour and install a lead keel, I would not
reccomend the Oldshoe or Micro as a initial project for a beginner.

The Michilak series with the flat bottom and single pivoting leeboard
are so much easier to build and turn over and launch and recover, from
what I have heard from builders.

Also his lug sails are simple and easy to construct from polytarp. All
the instructions and materials available at Duckworks including epoxy
and glass kits. Pre-made sails or materials and a couple of good
instruction books. Everything but wood - and even articles on that!

Go here and check the right hand column for links.

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/

Nels
Hmmm ... the Bolger "Old Shoe". I haven't heard of that design yet, are there any links to photos or plans?

Cheers,
David



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> Now the question, I need a simple to build (I've got very limited
> woodworking experience) boat that I can take 2 adults and 4 kids in
> on sheltered water for a day sail. Oars would be the preferable
> auxilliary power.
>
> So ... simple, stable and sizeable ... any suggestions?


We were just discussing Bolger's "Old Shoe" recently:

"A Micro has a cabin, but an Old Shoe is all cockpit,
complete with seats, a place to put your feet, and a
backrest. My impression is that a small child will be
more enclosed in an Old Shoe than on a Micro, and
said child could stand against the forward bulkhead
and keep watch."

I think Old Shoe is only 12' long ... but very big inside for its short length. It is big enough for 6 people from what I've read, and should be easy to move on a dolly from your house to the lake that's only 300 yards away.

Kenneth Grome
Bagacay Boatworks






On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:11:03 +0000,dacsus65@...wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> I've been looking around for a simple to build, fun to sail boat for
> my family to use on the lake (all of 300 yards from the house).
> Bolger's design's seem to be the most popular, and I'm glad I found
> this site.
>

>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
>
Wow!

Thanks to everyone for such great advise and so many options as well ... I'm not really sure if choices are a good thing with so many good options. I'll do some more research, then try to convince my wife that the patio really would be improved by becoming a boatyard.

Cheers,
David



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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, dacsus65@... wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I've been looking around for a simple to build, fun to sail boat
for my family to use on the lake (all of 300 yards from the house).
Bolger's design's seem to be the most popular, and I'm glad I found
this site.
>
> Now the question, I need a simple to build (I've got very limited
woodworking experience) boat that I can take 2 adults and 4 kids in
on sheltered water for a day sail. Oars would be the preferable
auxilliary power.
>
> So ... simple, stable and sizeable ... any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
Probably the simplest boat would be a Bolger/Payson Zephyr. See
Payson's istant boats site, or his first book, Instant Boats. If
memory serve, I had six people in my old Zephyr once, and four of
them were adults. I know it was sailed several times with four adults
and no one feeling cramped. It's only 4 sheets of 3/8 ply and you can
cut out and build the hull in a weekend or two. (Finishing it and
making the spars will take another couple weekends).

Michalak's Ladybug design might be another possibility. It's shorter,
but wider, than the Zephyr. You might also be able to get Michalak to
stretch it a couple feet four you. It's a much heavier boat and more
work to build, but still in the simple category. See:
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/ladybug/index.htm

Gary
David,

There are several Bolger designs that fit what you've described so far
as your needs. You can also look at Jim Michalak's boats. And, even
though it's a Bolger group, I'll mention that the one we built may be
a good fit for you. Goat Island Skiff, by Michael Storer.

"http://www.homepage.mac.com/peterhyndman/GISintro.htm"

Be sure and click on the link to M. Storer while you're there.

Good Luck,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR

"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one [boat]" --
paraphrasing Lao Tsu

**************************

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, dacsus65@... wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I've been looking around for a simple to build, fun to sail boat for
my family to use on the lake (all of 300 yards from the house).
Bolger's design's seem to be the most popular, and I'm glad I found
this site.
>
> Now the question, I need a simple to build (I've got very limited
woodworking experience) boat that I can take 2 adults and 4 kids in on
sheltered water for a day sail. Oars would be the preferable
auxilliary power.
>
> So ... simple, stable and sizeable ... any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, dacsus65@... wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I've been looking around for a simple to build, fun to sail boat
for my family to use on the lake (all of 300 yards from the house).
Bolger's design's seem to be the most popular, and I'm glad I found
this site.
>
> Now the question, I need a simple to build (I've got very limited
woodworking experience) boat that I can take 2 adults and 4 kids in
on sheltered water for a day sail. Oars would be the preferable
auxilliary power.
>
> So ... simple, stable and sizeable ... any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>

http://www.instantboats.com/brick.htm

There is even one for sale if you are located near Boston.

Two can also be joined together to create a schooner:-)

Nels
Greetings!

I've been looking around for a simple to build, fun to sail boat for my family to use on the lake (all of 300 yards from the house). Bolger's design's seem to be the most popular, and I'm glad I found this site.

Now the question, I need a simple to build (I've got very limited woodworking experience) boat that I can take 2 adults and 4 kids in on sheltered water for a day sail. Oars would be the preferable auxilliary power.

So ... simple, stable and sizeable ... any suggestions?

Thanks,

David
Pat,

Thanks for the note. Definately plan on swamping the boat and
getting Colin used to it when it warms a bit more. Also cut the
bottom of a milk jug into a bailer. Having launched my Snipe without
all the bailers properly closed, I've introduced my children to the
fine art of bailing.

Thanks for posting the picture of Toad. It must have been a lot of
fun to build, and your son must have enjoyed learning to sail on it.
My 2 older sons have learned in plastic Opti's and Sunfish. None of
them are comfortable on the Snipe - maybe in a year or so I'll try my
hand at building something that can sail a few people, but that isn't
easily overpowered. For now - I'll settle for having all 3 kids happy
out paddling and rowing.

Your story about sailing the Hobie was great! My sailing story is
pretty limited - I pretty much break something on the Snipe every
time I go out. Whether it's from hitting the dock too fast, or
loosing a piece of whatever, or pulling it out without paying proper
attention to overhead branches. Did you know that when pulling it out
if the mast hits a branch and you stop, it's not too bad. But if you
back up the boat can come off the trailer and get holed pretty
easily. That was interesting to learn - lol.

Bruce
A prayer never hurts.

Latter this summer when the weather and water are warmer,

take him in shallow, protected water, and turn the thing over.

He probably will not be able to self rescue which is almost impossible

in a small open boat like that, but it will give him the experience

to learn to stick with the boat, and not get too freaked out if

it should somehow so upside down. Just sit in it or ont ita and wait

for help.

My son was rowing an Elegant Punt when he was 5 and sailing a Hobie

16 single handed when he was 10 and with no weight on his part, and a

need for speed, (lot of horsepower or sail power for 350 pound boat

and crew) found himself upside down several times, and lerned

to hold on on the way over, just climb on top (bottom) and sit on a

hull and wait for help.

We were always watching and watching him fly a hull, and say "On no,

There he goes" and most of the time he would come back down right

side up, but then there were the times when he got too far up, and

it was "Oh no, there he goes." for real. No problem. He had been

there befor, and knew what to do. Help was on the way.

He was teaching other kids how to sail shortly after that.

Have fun.

Boats and kids are fun.

Check Photo of Toad under files. We called it Toad because it spent

much of it time being "Towed" behind Hobie, hauling supplies for

overnight camping trips on local lakes. He's 25 now and taking out

our Folbot tomorrow that we built from kit 20 years ago. It too,

still going strong. Wooden boats do last if given proper care.

Pat Patteson



--- In bolger@e..., "They Still Call Me Bruce!" <boomer_rabbit@y...>
wrote:
> I'll be happy to pop pictures up. I had called one of our priests
> (he's a lot of fun to have around, great sense of humor). Since we
> will be launching a pirogue and a pram/whatever - the priest said
he
> would be happy to do a "blessing of the fleet". So there WILL be
> pictures.
>
> I did a little more thinking about who the little boat is for - and
> while it will probably be fine without taping the inside seams, I
> decided not to take a chance as it is for my 5 year old son. So I
> took a little while today to scrape off paint around the seams and
> tape them. I figure I wouldn't mind if it was just me, I'd just
bail
> or swim - it's a different story when it comes to my kids.
>
> Now for a warm, sunny day!
> Thanks - Bruce
I'll be happy to pop pictures up. I had called one of our priests
(he's a lot of fun to have around, great sense of humor). Since we
will be launching a pirogue and a pram/whatever - the priest said he
would be happy to do a "blessing of the fleet". So there WILL be
pictures.

I did a little more thinking about who the little boat is for - and
while it will probably be fine without taping the inside seams, I
decided not to take a chance as it is for my 5 year old son. So I
took a little while today to scrape off paint around the seams and
tape them. I figure I wouldn't mind if it was just me, I'd just bail
or swim - it's a different story when it comes to my kids.

Now for a warm, sunny day!
Thanks - Bruce
Bruce,

Most of us seem to like pictures of these activities. Feel free to take 'em
and share 'em.

Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: They Still Call Me Bruce! [mailto:boomer_rabbit@...]
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 1:55 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Newbie Question/Thanks
>
>
> No - I'm not skeptical at all! There were a lot of good suggestions.
> My plan is to just put the thing in the water - after all, that is
> what it is for, lol. My children always go out with lifejackets on,
> even in the plastic kayak and the plastic Snipe - so it won't be that
> different in the little boat or in my older son's Pirogue. (I
> actually followed instructions on the uinclejohn's pirogue - what a
> departure for me!).
>
> So - we'll use it as is, I'll keep a close eye on the joints and
> scrape and tape after we use it for a bit. Just so long as we don't
> do a blowout like the seams on that Cape Cod Frosty (I loved that
> story) I think we'll be fine.
>
> The plan is to hoodwink (I mean invite) friends for a picnic and
> paddle this weekend. Have to put Colin's tiny boat in and also put
> Ian's Pirogue in. Christening will be with good rootbeer. My oldest
> son will do rescue patrol in his plastic hybrid kayak.
>
> There's something about trying to rooftop a kayak, a pirogue and an
> 8' pram/dinghy/jonboat/whatever. So even though I would prefer to try
> them out without an audience, it will be do or die of embarrasment
> time!
>
> There is a perfect lake for this nearby - only people powered and
> electric powered boats allowed. And being in Georgia, I am happy to
> say that this little lake actually has water and everything. So - off
> to Lake Acworth!
>
> And thanks for all the good words and advice. I'll let you all know
> how it goes.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
> Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
That sounds great, John! I'm sure I'll be offering plenty of
embarassing moments. I looked at the windsprint and the sport dory on
your home page. They both look great, although I would not have the
sailing skills required for a Windsprint. I think the Dory would be a
great way to head up Lake Allatoona or go island exploring on
Hartwell.

Anyway, last year I took the kids to a TARSUS event at Sweetwater
Creek campground. We tented and had a great time, but were short a
boat or two. My oldest has a 2 person hybrid kayak - it will fit 3 in
a pinch. But my middle son was kind of stranded. The goal was to make
a pirogue for my middle son to paddle around during this year's
TARSUS (http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/tarsus/tarsus.htm)in June, and
to make a small boat for my 5 year old son to play with and row to
the beach.

Also set some serious time limits. My wife went out of town (church
trip to Italy for 11 days) - so the goal was to put everything
together and have everything painted and ready to go before she got
home. Happy to say we pretty much met that goal. Hit Lowes and Home
Depot the morning after the plane left. Had first coat of paint
drying as the plane landed at Hartsfield. I figure if that's all
the 'splainin' I have to do for having a wife away for 11 days, then
it's all right.

Need another coat of paint and some varnish on the pirogue. Colin's
is all set (it has proven pretty good for sleeping in and watching TV
in, now to see if it's okay on the water).

I think a belt sander will be a requirement for the next time around -
the finish on these 2 definately shows a short schedule. I figure
we'll be having fun in them, exploring Lake Acworth (the kids love
going through the culvert and into the reedy/marshy section) and
calmer sections of Lake Allatoona. The kids don't seem to have
noticed the finish, although I certainly have.

Regards, Bruce
Lake Acworth! My home lake! Maybe I should hide in the reeds just in case
you do offer up some embarrassing moments to share with the group. It's too
bad I'm booked solid this weekend, or else I'd offer the use of a trailer to
move those boats.

Drop me a line some time. After meeting list members all over North America,
it's kind of cool to find someone so close at hand with similar interests.

John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
mailto:jmbell@...

(770) 514-6016 - office
(800) 492-5089 - pager


----- Original Message -----
From: "They Still Call Me Bruce!" <boomer_rabbit@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 4:54 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Newbie Question/Thanks


| No - I'm not skeptical at all! There were a lot of good suggestions.
| My plan is to just put the thing in the water - after all, that is
| what it is for, lol. My children always go out with lifejackets on,
| even in the plastic kayak and the plastic Snipe - so it won't be that
| different in the little boat or in my older son's Pirogue. (I
| actually followed instructions on the uinclejohn's pirogue - what a
| departure for me!).
|
| So - we'll use it as is, I'll keep a close eye on the joints and
| scrape and tape after we use it for a bit. Just so long as we don't
| do a blowout like the seams on that Cape Cod Frosty (I loved that
| story) I think we'll be fine.
|
| The plan is to hoodwink (I mean invite) friends for a picnic and
| paddle this weekend. Have to put Colin's tiny boat in and also put
| Ian's Pirogue in. Christening will be with good rootbeer. My oldest
| son will do rescue patrol in his plastic hybrid kayak.
|
| There's something about trying to rooftop a kayak, a pirogue and an
| 8' pram/dinghy/jonboat/whatever. So even though I would prefer to try
| them out without an audience, it will be do or die of embarrasment
| time!
|
| There is a perfect lake for this nearby - only people powered and
| electric powered boats allowed. And being in Georgia, I am happy to
| say that this little lake actually has water and everything. So - off
| to Lake Acworth!
|
| And thanks for all the good words and advice. I'll let you all know
| how it goes.
|
| Bruce
|
|
| Bolger rules!!!
| - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
| - no flogging dead horses
| - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
| - stay on topic and punctuate
| - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
| - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
|
|
| Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
|
|
No - I'm not skeptical at all! There were a lot of good suggestions.
My plan is to just put the thing in the water - after all, that is
what it is for, lol. My children always go out with lifejackets on,
even in the plastic kayak and the plastic Snipe - so it won't be that
different in the little boat or in my older son's Pirogue. (I
actually followed instructions on the uinclejohn's pirogue - what a
departure for me!).

So - we'll use it as is, I'll keep a close eye on the joints and
scrape and tape after we use it for a bit. Just so long as we don't
do a blowout like the seams on that Cape Cod Frosty (I loved that
story) I think we'll be fine.

The plan is to hoodwink (I mean invite) friends for a picnic and
paddle this weekend. Have to put Colin's tiny boat in and also put
Ian's Pirogue in. Christening will be with good rootbeer. My oldest
son will do rescue patrol in his plastic hybrid kayak.

There's something about trying to rooftop a kayak, a pirogue and an
8' pram/dinghy/jonboat/whatever. So even though I would prefer to try
them out without an audience, it will be do or die of embarrasment
time!

There is a perfect lake for this nearby - only people powered and
electric powered boats allowed. And being in Georgia, I am happy to
say that this little lake actually has water and everything. So - off
to Lake Acworth!

And thanks for all the good words and advice. I'll let you all know
how it goes.

Bruce
Jamie,

"some sign that the joint is coming apart..." Like boat contents floating
around? On second thought, maybe I'll pass on sailing with you at Depoe.
Ha, Ha. Actually, your advice is exactly what I was thinking initially,
but, being the KOO, I had to be consistent in my suggestions to Bruce.
Absent a real serious grounding, his seams should hold up just fine as is.
By now, Bruce is sure to be skeptical about asking any more questions.
Keeping in mind that I build Pointy Skiffs with 3M 5200, bronze screws, and
3/8" marine ply bottom and transom.

Jim



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Orr, Jamie [mailto:jorr@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:29 PM
> To: 'bolger@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Newbie Question
>
>
> I would leave it alone until there's some sign that the joint is coming
> apart. It'll be no more work then, and it will probably never
> happen. Your
> son should have a great time with it just as it is.
>
> Jamie Orr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: They Still Call Me Bruce! [mailto:boomer_rabbit@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:43 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Newbie Question
>
>
> Hey, I have a question, albeit a little bit late ;-)
>
> Anyway, I made my 5 year old son a mini-jonboat. It is 7'6" on the
> waterline, 8' overall. Widths at the waterline are 18" at the
> transom, 24" midship, 12" at the bow. Widths at the top are 24 3/4"
> at transom, 33" at the middle and 16 1/2" at the bow. It either looks
> like a 2/3 scale jonboat, or maybe a skinny pram.
>
> I have frames at the transom, midships, just before the bow and at
> the bow. The side panels (10" panels) are glued and screwed to the
> frames. The bottom is also glued and screwed to the frames.
>
> I epoxied and glassed all outside seams, and also glassed the front
> (we WILL hit rocks, lol. I also installed to full length runners
> along the bottom to protect it. Anyway - rather than taping the
> inside seams - I thought the boat was very solid - I just used
> waterproof glue.
>
> Is this an acceptable tradeoff for inexpensive boats stored inside,
> or should I strip off the paint along the seams and tape them inside?
>
> Stesses on the boat should be minimal, it will be rowed, not sailed
> and absolutely not motored.
>
> Anyway - any experience in using waterproof glues along inside seams?
>
> Thanks - Bruce
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
> Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Sorry may have double posted, but if not here it is.

Bruce


Sounds like you did a great job.

Leave it alone. You've spent enough time building.

Screws and waterproof glue are more than enough.

Glassing the the outside seams will keep the water out.

Boats seldom leak from the inside.

Any more would certainly be overkill.

On a boat that size you have plenty of structural supports.

I have an 18 year old "Elegant Punt" (8' Bolger Pram)

No glass or epoxy anywhere except where I had to repair a

"Rock Hole" in the 1/4" lauan bottom.

It has been a picnik table, a water slide, a pool, a bird perch,
photo model, a barge.

Full length runners are great. Protect bottom. Give support

to bottom, and give some dirctional stability (as much as can be had

in an 8' boat.)

My son, and many other kids learned to row in that boat, and he still

uses it.

He's now 25 years old and 180 pounds.

My wife and I still use if for fishing. Kind of cozy, but 300+ pounds

(I won't say how many + pounds for my and her sake) but still

our favorite boat. (Like I said "Cozy")

New coat of red paint every year or so and stored in dry place.

(Had two friend who liked mine so much they built them too, but left

them outside, and they (the boats) died in a couple of years.)

They have built boats for thousands of years without epoxy or glass,

and they worked very well.


Sounds like you did a great job. Just keep it out of the weather,

and give it a coat of paint when it needs it.

I gave my son a can of paint and let him go at it every year untill

he got "To old".

The boat is fine.

Use it. Too many people spend too much time "Building" boats to

actually use them.

Get in protected water. Wear you life vest. Show your kid how to

put on his vest. Teach hiM the basics of rowing, then turn him

loose in the boat. ("Allways row upstream, or upwind")

I'll bet he figures out how to get back. With a great grin on his

face.

Stop worrying about how you built the boat. It's fine.

Use it. Teach your kid how to use it. Then you can talk to him

about the next boat you can build together.

Have fun.

Boats are to be used. They belong in the water.

Pat


--- In bolger@e..., "They Still Call Me Bruce!" <boomer_rabbit@y...>
wrote:
> Hey, I have a question, albeit a little bit late ;-)
>
> Anyway, I made my 5 year old son a mini-jonboat. It is 7'6" on the
> waterline, 8' overall. Widths at the waterline are 18" at the
> transom, 24" midship, 12" at the bow. Widths at the top are 24 3/4"
> at transom, 33" at the middle and 16 1/2" at the bow. It either
looks
> like a 2/3 scale jonboat, or maybe a skinny pram.
>
> I have frames at the transom, midships, just before the bow and at
> the bow. The side panels (10" panels) are glued and screwed to the
> frames. The bottom is also glued and screwed to the frames.
>
> I epoxied and glassed all outside seams, and also glassed the front
> (we WILL hit rocks, lol. I also installed to full length runners
> along the bottom to protect it. Anyway - rather than taping the
> inside seams - I thought the boat was very solid - I just used
> waterproof glue.
>
> Is this an acceptable tradeoff for inexpensive boats stored inside,
> or should I strip off the paint along the seams and tape them
inside?
>
> Stesses on the boat should be minimal, it will be rowed, not sailed
> and absolutely not motored.
>
> Anyway - any experience in using waterproof glues along inside
seams?
>
> Thanks - Bruce
I would leave it alone until there's some sign that the joint is coming
apart. It'll be no more work then, and it will probably never happen. Your
son should have a great time with it just as it is.

Jamie Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: They Still Call Me Bruce! [mailto:boomer_rabbit@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:43 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Newbie Question


Hey, I have a question, albeit a little bit late ;-)

Anyway, I made my 5 year old son a mini-jonboat. It is 7'6" on the
waterline, 8' overall. Widths at the waterline are 18" at the
transom, 24" midship, 12" at the bow. Widths at the top are 24 3/4"
at transom, 33" at the middle and 16 1/2" at the bow. It either looks
like a 2/3 scale jonboat, or maybe a skinny pram.

I have frames at the transom, midships, just before the bow and at
the bow. The side panels (10" panels) are glued and screwed to the
frames. The bottom is also glued and screwed to the frames.

I epoxied and glassed all outside seams, and also glassed the front
(we WILL hit rocks, lol. I also installed to full length runners
along the bottom to protect it. Anyway - rather than taping the
inside seams - I thought the boat was very solid - I just used
waterproof glue.

Is this an acceptable tradeoff for inexpensive boats stored inside,
or should I strip off the paint along the seams and tape them inside?

Stesses on the boat should be minimal, it will be rowed, not sailed
and absolutely not motored.

Anyway - any experience in using waterproof glues along inside seams?

Thanks - Bruce



Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349


Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Bruce,

How about a picture of this creation? In answer to your question (you guys
can tell I'm off work today, huh?) you will probably get a lot of "yeses"
and "noes". From myself, the King of Overkill, I would tape and epoxy the
inside seams as well. I would just rough sand the seams and then
tape/epoxy.

Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: They Still Call Me Bruce! [mailto:boomer_rabbit@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:43 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Newbie Question
>
>
> Hey, I have a question, albeit a little bit late ;-)
>
> Anyway, I made my 5 year old son a mini-jonboat. It is 7'6" on the
> waterline, 8' overall. Widths at the waterline are 18" at the
> transom, 24" midship, 12" at the bow. Widths at the top are 24 3/4"
> at transom, 33" at the middle and 16 1/2" at the bow. It either looks
> like a 2/3 scale jonboat, or maybe a skinny pram.
>
> I have frames at the transom, midships, just before the bow and at
> the bow. The side panels (10" panels) are glued and screwed to the
> frames. The bottom is also glued and screwed to the frames.
>
> I epoxied and glassed all outside seams, and also glassed the front
> (we WILL hit rocks, lol. I also installed to full length runners
> along the bottom to protect it. Anyway - rather than taping the
> inside seams - I thought the boat was very solid - I just used
> waterproof glue.
>
> Is this an acceptable tradeoff for inexpensive boats stored inside,
> or should I strip off the paint along the seams and tape them inside?
>
> Stesses on the boat should be minimal, it will be rowed, not sailed
> and absolutely not motored.
>
> Anyway - any experience in using waterproof glues along inside seams?
>
> Thanks - Bruce
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
> Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Hey, I have a question, albeit a little bit late ;-)

Anyway, I made my 5 year old son a mini-jonboat. It is 7'6" on the
waterline, 8' overall. Widths at the waterline are 18" at the
transom, 24" midship, 12" at the bow. Widths at the top are 24 3/4"
at transom, 33" at the middle and 16 1/2" at the bow. It either looks
like a 2/3 scale jonboat, or maybe a skinny pram.

I have frames at the transom, midships, just before the bow and at
the bow. The side panels (10" panels) are glued and screwed to the
frames. The bottom is also glued and screwed to the frames.

I epoxied and glassed all outside seams, and also glassed the front
(we WILL hit rocks, lol. I also installed to full length runners
along the bottom to protect it. Anyway - rather than taping the
inside seams - I thought the boat was very solid - I just used
waterproof glue.

Is this an acceptable tradeoff for inexpensive boats stored inside,
or should I strip off the paint along the seams and tape them inside?

Stesses on the boat should be minimal, it will be rowed, not sailed
and absolutely not motored.

Anyway - any experience in using waterproof glues along inside seams?

Thanks - Bruce