Re: Lengthening/Shortening a Bolger Design
John Welsford's Houdini seems to be 13'5".
http://www.wserjeant.fsnet.co.uk/
Peter
http://www.wserjeant.fsnet.co.uk/
Peter
--- In bolger@y..., "gmatkin@c..." <gmatkin@c...> wrote:
> If the Bolger catalogue does not contain what you need, another
possible
> source is Selway-Fisher, which has one or two 14-footers listed at
>http://www.selway-fisher.com/PocketC.html.
>
> Not exactly Bolger-ish, but they might be what you need.
>
> Gavin
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I think this would not be a big problem with some of the boats under
discussion. If I'm not mistaken, the Oldshoe and the Micro have
perfectly rectangular cross sections, so you could probably just space
out everything just a little further apart? Certainly this kind of
stretch would be very easy on the Brick that I was discussing earlier!
discussion. If I'm not mistaken, the Oldshoe and the Micro have
perfectly rectangular cross sections, so you could probably just space
out everything just a little further apart? Certainly this kind of
stretch would be very easy on the Brick that I was discussing earlier!
--- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
> Don't forget that if you lengthen or shorten a Bolger InstantBoat
> design it is no longer an instant boat. I don't know how you
> recalculate the offsets for the "instant" panels. It may be that you
> might as well go to a non-InstantBoat design. I think the offsets
for
> other than InstantBoat construction are usuallly on the plans. This
> would add some more work but still the boats would be fairly easy to
> construct.
>
> --- In bolger@y..., wecole@h... wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I am new to this group, and fairly new to boatbuilding. I want
> to
> > build a day sailer for my family (two adults, two young kids, one
> > infant), but I have to keep the boat under 14 feet!
> >
>snip
> > I was looking at Bolger's Oldshoe and Micro designs. They seem
> to
> > offer the kind of features that I want. Would it be easier for me
> to
> > buy the Oldshoe (11'7") plans and lengthen them, or buy the Mirco
> > (15'4") plans and shorten them? snip
Don't forget that if you lengthen or shorten a Bolger InstantBoat
design it is no longer an instant boat. I don't know how you
recalculate the offsets for the "instant" panels. It may be that you
might as well go to a non-InstantBoat design. I think the offsets for
other than InstantBoat construction are usuallly on the plans. This
would add some more work but still the boats would be fairly easy to
construct.
design it is no longer an instant boat. I don't know how you
recalculate the offsets for the "instant" panels. It may be that you
might as well go to a non-InstantBoat design. I think the offsets for
other than InstantBoat construction are usuallly on the plans. This
would add some more work but still the boats would be fairly easy to
construct.
--- In bolger@y..., wecole@h... wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I am new to this group, and fairly new to boatbuilding. I want
to
> build a day sailer for my family (two adults, two young kids, one
> infant), but I have to keep the boat under 14 feet!
>
> I am in the military, and I move across the country every couple
> of years. The government will ship boats up to fourteen feet long
as
> part of my household goods. It is best to keep a few inches short
of
> the limit to avoid arguments with the movers. I would like to end
up
> with a boat with an overall length of between 13'6" and 13'9".
>
> I was looking at Bolger's Oldshoe and Micro designs. They seem
to
> offer the kind of features that I want. Would it be easier for me
to
> buy the Oldshoe (11'7") plans and lengthen them, or buy the Mirco
> (15'4") plans and shorten them? Should I shell out the bucks for
> both plans and try to construct a hybrid?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bill
If the Bolger catalogue does not contain what you need, another possible
source is Selway-Fisher, which has one or two 14-footers listed at
http://www.selway-fisher.com/PocketC.html.
Not exactly Bolger-ish, but they might be what you need.
Gavin
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source is Selway-Fisher, which has one or two 14-footers listed at
http://www.selway-fisher.com/PocketC.html.
Not exactly Bolger-ish, but they might be what you need.
Gavin
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It is pretty interesting that the trailer-cruiser section of the
Duckworks Index
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/boatindex/trailer-sailing-
cruisers.htm only shows two boats in your size range, one from
Mikulak (Cubit) and one from Shell Boats.
Seems to be sort of a Sargasso Sea of boat design.
PHV
Duckworks Index
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/boatindex/trailer-sailing-
cruisers.htm only shows two boats in your size range, one from
Mikulak (Cubit) and one from Shell Boats.
Seems to be sort of a Sargasso Sea of boat design.
PHV
--- In bolger@y..., Phil Smith <pbs@w...> wrote:
> wecole@h... wrote:
> >
> Why not write or fax Bolger himself for a design to meet your
needs? I
> suspect that a page or two from you about who you are, what you've
> built, why you have a 14' limit, and what you want to do with the
boar
> would get you a positive response. This seems to be just the
challenge
> our hero enjoys.
>
> Of course you'd have to pay a design fee rather than buy an existing
> plan from Bolger, but getting the boat you need and want should
make it
> worthwhile. I can't guess what his fee would be, but I think you'd
be
> pleasantly surprised.
>
> Phil Smith
wecole@...wrote:
suspect that a page or two from you about who you are, what you've
built, why you have a 14' limit, and what you want to do with the boar
would get you a positive response. This seems to be just the challenge
our hero enjoys.
Of course you'd have to pay a design fee rather than buy an existing
plan from Bolger, but getting the boat you need and want should make it
worthwhile. I can't guess what his fee would be, but I think you'd be
pleasantly surprised.
Phil Smith
>Why not write or fax Bolger himself for a design to meet your needs? I
suspect that a page or two from you about who you are, what you've
built, why you have a 14' limit, and what you want to do with the boar
would get you a positive response. This seems to be just the challenge
our hero enjoys.
Of course you'd have to pay a design fee rather than buy an existing
plan from Bolger, but getting the boat you need and want should make it
worthwhile. I can't guess what his fee would be, but I think you'd be
pleasantly surprised.
Phil Smith
I agree a brick is an excellent firs project. It can be build in a very
short time and it's capacity is nothing short of amazing (875 lb). I build
one and it is truly an lot of boat for the effort.
Michael Surface
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short time and it's capacity is nothing short of amazing (875 lb). I build
one and it is truly an lot of boat for the effort.
Michael Surface
>From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Lengthening/Shortening a Bolger Design
>Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:00:03 -0000
>
>
>If I were in your situation, I'd consider a somewhat lengthened Brick,
>say made from 10' plywood. THe standard Brick has about as much room
>as you require, or maybe only slightly less, so you could add a little
>flotation with the extra length. Due to it's extraordinary
>stability, the Brick can be sailed by the helmsman without anybody
>moving around the boat when tacking, at least if there are passengers.
>It is so simple I bet you could be in the water by the time summer
>hits. Building it would be good practice if you decide you need
>something larger or more luxurious, and you wouldn't miss the 2001
>sailing season.
>
>I haven't built a Brick, but my SO and I own one, and we like it a
>lot.
>
>--- In bolger@y..., wecole@h... wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I am new to this group, and fairly new to boatbuilding. I want
>to
> > build a day sailer for my family (two adults, two young kids, one
> > infant), but I have to keep the boat under 14 feet!
> >
> > I am in the military, and I move across the country every couple
> > of years. The government will ship boats up to fourteen feet long
>as
> > part of my household goods. It is best to keep a few inches short
>of
> > the limit to avoid arguments with the movers. I would like to end
>up
> > with a boat with an overall length of between 13'6" and 13'9".
> >
> > I was looking at Bolger's Oldshoe and Micro designs. They seem
>to
> > offer the kind of features that I want. Would it be easier for me
>to
> > buy the Oldshoe (11'7") plans and lengthen them, or buy the Mirco
> > (15'4") plans and shorten them? Should I shell out the bucks for
> > both plans and try to construct a hybrid?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Bill
>
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Yes,
Micro is a BIG little boat, being of Catboat dimensions. By
virtue of the slab sides and flat bottom, the boat has immense surface
inside and out area for its length and breadth as compared to chine
and round bottomed boats. I did not really appreciate this until I
spent 2 days climbing in and out of her transeferring lines and holes
for the rub rails and gunwales. It is also very deep. I was
referring to her as the boatbuilder's STAIRMASTER.
I was almost thinking of developing a work out regime to keep boat
builders in shape during the off season. (start with lead bar curls)
David Jost
Micro is a BIG little boat, being of Catboat dimensions. By
virtue of the slab sides and flat bottom, the boat has immense surface
inside and out area for its length and breadth as compared to chine
and round bottomed boats. I did not really appreciate this until I
spent 2 days climbing in and out of her transeferring lines and holes
for the rub rails and gunwales. It is also very deep. I was
referring to her as the boatbuilder's STAIRMASTER.
I was almost thinking of developing a work out regime to keep boat
builders in shape during the off season. (start with lead bar curls)
David Jost
>
> The Bolger Oldshoe and Micro designs sure are a lot of boat for the
> length.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Bill
Thanks everyone for all the suggestions.
I will have to read the fine print on the military moving
regulations. I know that 14 feet is the limit for length, but I
don't know if there is an individual boat weight limit. As far as I
know, the weight of the boat(s) just counts against the overall
weight limit of my household goods.
I have already built a small a small jonboat which I use for duck
hunting. I can cartop it on my Honda Civic using a bike rack to
support the back end! Right now I am finishing up a Cradle Boat for
my soon-to-be-born youngest son. In addition to the family sailboat,
I am also studying some of Devlin's duckboat plans.
I am stationed in KS now, but I will move to the Hampton VA area this
summer. I will be there 24 months, and then move again. I plan on
at least three more moves after that before I retire. Past duty
assignments include Monterey, CA and northern NJ.
Thanks for the suggestions on the various alternatives. I was
already looking hard some of the other designs suggested. I think a
design with a small bow transom will give me more usable space. I
also want to take advantage of all the length the military will allow
me.
The Bolger Oldshoe and Micro designs sure are a lot of boat for the
length.
Thanks again.
Bill
I will have to read the fine print on the military moving
regulations. I know that 14 feet is the limit for length, but I
don't know if there is an individual boat weight limit. As far as I
know, the weight of the boat(s) just counts against the overall
weight limit of my household goods.
I have already built a small a small jonboat which I use for duck
hunting. I can cartop it on my Honda Civic using a bike rack to
support the back end! Right now I am finishing up a Cradle Boat for
my soon-to-be-born youngest son. In addition to the family sailboat,
I am also studying some of Devlin's duckboat plans.
I am stationed in KS now, but I will move to the Hampton VA area this
summer. I will be there 24 months, and then move again. I plan on
at least three more moves after that before I retire. Past duty
assignments include Monterey, CA and northern NJ.
Thanks for the suggestions on the various alternatives. I was
already looking hard some of the other designs suggested. I think a
design with a small bow transom will give me more usable space. I
also want to take advantage of all the length the military will allow
me.
The Bolger Oldshoe and Micro designs sure are a lot of boat for the
length.
Thanks again.
Bill
This is exactly why I don't have trouble imaging a new Bolger design!
Sounds like a funky design space project right out of BWOM. In fact,
how many boats are you limited to? Perhaps there's a crazy Bolger
break-down boat in this!
YIBB,
David
Sounds like a funky design space project right out of BWOM. In fact,
how many boats are you limited to? Perhaps there's a crazy Bolger
break-down boat in this!
YIBB,
David
>I don't know, but I am guessing that the reason for the 14' limit by the
>military has something to do with the ability of a couple of movers to
>pick the boat up and carry it onto the moving van. Neither Micro nor
>Oldshoe fit this category regardless of length. They both have lead
>ballast keels. The keel alone on either boat weighs more than a typical
>14' skiff.
>
>Vince Chew
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
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I don't know, but I am guessing that the reason for the 14' limit by the
military has something to do with the ability of a couple of movers to
pick the boat up and carry it onto the moving van. Neither Micro nor
Oldshoe fit this category regardless of length. They both have lead
ballast keels. The keel alone on either boat weighs more than a typical
14' skiff.
Vince Chew
military has something to do with the ability of a couple of movers to
pick the boat up and carry it onto the moving van. Neither Micro nor
Oldshoe fit this category regardless of length. They both have lead
ballast keels. The keel alone on either boat weighs more than a typical
14' skiff.
Vince Chew
> I want toBill --
> build a day sailer for my family (two adults, two young kids, one
> infant), but I have to keep the boat under 14 feet!
Not to steer you away from Bolger designs (or to go too far off-topic
for the list) but you might want to check out for inspiration the
following pram-style sailboats. They give good room and stability for
the length:
Jim Michalak's Piccup pram -- 11' X 4.5' transom bowed, lugsailed,
five-foot benches port & starboard. Might accommodate your whole
family, a bit snugly.
Michalak's Cubit -- 13' X 4' Jonboat-style sailer, lugsailed, with
small cuddy. The cuddy probably takes up too much cockpit room, but
worth a look -- maybe build it without the cuddy, maybe build it
Birdwatcher style.
Jacques Mertens' Caravelle (?) I think that's what it's called --
haven't looked at it in a while. 14'6" X 5'+. Big and roomy and
stable, 8' benches along both sides. How you'll cut off the extra 6"
of boat length (or 8" to be safe) I'm not sure, but if you're open to
rejiggering designs, this one is worth a look.
(I've been wanting to build a Caravelle for myself for a few years
now -- and it'll probably take several more years before I get to it.
Michalak's website ishttp://apci.net/~michalak
(I think it changed recently, but I hope the old link redirects you.)
Mertens' website ishttp://www.bateau.com
Good luck! Keep the list apprised as you work out this puzzle.
All best,
Garth
The Oldshoe is a big boat for 11'7". I'm building one now and should
have it in the water in the next 6 weeks. I plan to sail with my
wife, son - age eight, and daughter, age six. Where are you
stationed now? You could come up for a sail and see what you think.
Yesterday was a nice day here in Phila. There were at least seven
kids playing pirate on the trailered boat. They seemed to have
plenty of room - although they have requested a plank for walking and
want shrouds to climb.
Regards
Andy Farquhar
have it in the water in the next 6 weeks. I plan to sail with my
wife, son - age eight, and daughter, age six. Where are you
stationed now? You could come up for a sail and see what you think.
Yesterday was a nice day here in Phila. There were at least seven
kids playing pirate on the trailered boat. They seemed to have
plenty of room - although they have requested a plank for walking and
want shrouds to climb.
Regards
Andy Farquhar
--- In bolger@y..., wecole@h... wrote:
Have you considered slightly shortening a june bug? t'would be easy
Today I modified the one I bought cheap.I Added a mizzen mast and
step with a 2' boomkin astern to sheet to. Its retractable. The old
boom is now the mainmastfor asmaller lug sail. Add jib with club
boom. Oh, i forgot to mention the 3' retractable bowsprit for the new
kite made from a 2man tent I found at the tip.. The kids have asked
for a trapeze or 2 Isaid only if I could add a ripstop staysail
between the masts for broad reaching. Since it will now be 19' long
and slightly over polytarped (not canvassed) I'm open to suggestions
for a name. Thanks for all the Hobie stories, They touched a nerve
with my darlingwife. She has now forgiven me and says I can keep the
Hobie. However it's now out front with a sign on it. Selling it will
buy me the plyand epoxy to finish the folding schooner. AND she
doesn't know what I've been up to in the shed today when I should
have been working.
> Greetings,to
>
> I am new to this group, and fairly new to boatbuilding. I want
> build a day sailer for my family (two adults, two young kids, oneas
> infant), but I have to keep the boat under 14 feet!
>
> I am in the military, and I move across the country every couple
> of years. The government will ship boats up to fourteen feet long
> part of my household goods. It is best to keep a few inches shortof
> the limit to avoid arguments with the movers. I would like to endup
> with a boat with an overall length of between 13'6" and 13'9".Greetings earthlings,
>
Have you considered slightly shortening a june bug? t'would be easy
Today I modified the one I bought cheap.I Added a mizzen mast and
step with a 2' boomkin astern to sheet to. Its retractable. The old
boom is now the mainmastfor asmaller lug sail. Add jib with club
boom. Oh, i forgot to mention the 3' retractable bowsprit for the new
kite made from a 2man tent I found at the tip.. The kids have asked
for a trapeze or 2 Isaid only if I could add a ripstop staysail
between the masts for broad reaching. Since it will now be 19' long
and slightly over polytarped (not canvassed) I'm open to suggestions
for a name. Thanks for all the Hobie stories, They touched a nerve
with my darlingwife. She has now forgiven me and says I can keep the
Hobie. However it's now out front with a sign on it. Selling it will
buy me the plyand epoxy to finish the folding schooner. AND she
doesn't know what I've been up to in the shed today when I should
have been working.
If I were in your situation, I'd consider a somewhat lengthened Brick,
say made from 10' plywood. THe standard Brick has about as much room
as you require, or maybe only slightly less, so you could add a little
flotation with the extra length. Due to it's extraordinary
stability, the Brick can be sailed by the helmsman without anybody
moving around the boat when tacking, at least if there are passengers.
It is so simple I bet you could be in the water by the time summer
hits. Building it would be good practice if you decide you need
something larger or more luxurious, and you wouldn't miss the 2001
sailing season.
I haven't built a Brick, but my SO and I own one, and we like it a
lot.
say made from 10' plywood. THe standard Brick has about as much room
as you require, or maybe only slightly less, so you could add a little
flotation with the extra length. Due to it's extraordinary
stability, the Brick can be sailed by the helmsman without anybody
moving around the boat when tacking, at least if there are passengers.
It is so simple I bet you could be in the water by the time summer
hits. Building it would be good practice if you decide you need
something larger or more luxurious, and you wouldn't miss the 2001
sailing season.
I haven't built a Brick, but my SO and I own one, and we like it a
lot.
--- In bolger@y..., wecole@h... wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I am new to this group, and fairly new to boatbuilding. I want
to
> build a day sailer for my family (two adults, two young kids, one
> infant), but I have to keep the boat under 14 feet!
>
> I am in the military, and I move across the country every couple
> of years. The government will ship boats up to fourteen feet long
as
> part of my household goods. It is best to keep a few inches short
of
> the limit to avoid arguments with the movers. I would like to end
up
> with a boat with an overall length of between 13'6" and 13'9".
>
> I was looking at Bolger's Oldshoe and Micro designs. They seem
to
> offer the kind of features that I want. Would it be easier for me
to
> buy the Oldshoe (11'7") plans and lengthen them, or buy the Mirco
> (15'4") plans and shorten them? Should I shell out the bucks for
> both plans and try to construct a hybrid?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bill
> Would it be easier for me toWelcome to the wonderful world of Bolger Boats.
> buy the Oldshoe (11'7") plans and lengthen them, or buy the Mirco
> (15'4") plans and shorten them? Should I shell out the bucks for
> both plans and try to construct a hybrid?
I can see that it must be exasperating for you. You can choose
Oldshoe, or SuperMouse, or Cartopper (with tent) and wish your boat
were bigger every time you go sailing, or choose Catfish or Micro and
wish your boat was smaller whenever you move. This is all the result
of using 4x8 plywood panels.
First, I do not suggest trying to morph any two plans into
an 'average' design. It can never be as good as a boat designed from
a clean sheet of paper. If you have to work up a variant, I would
stretch the smaller boat, making it longer but leaving just about
everything else the same. You need to be careful about the centers of
area of sail and keel/underbody/rudder.
Second, I'm not very familar with Oldshoe, though I have seen a web
site from by owner who likes his boat a lot. I think a stretched
SuperDuperMouse could be fun. It would have the volume of a Micro in
a shorter length
The other point of view is, you go sailing much more often than you
move. Go for the bigger boat, and take your lumps at moving time.
Maybe the lumps won't be very big.
Peter
Bill --
This looks like the sort of thing that might tickle PCB's fancy. Why
not write a little letter explaining why you like the micro/oldshoe,
and why you *need* a boat under 14 feet. He just might have something
up his sleeve for you.
At the least I guarantee you'll get a thoughtful and witty reply.
-David
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
This looks like the sort of thing that might tickle PCB's fancy. Why
not write a little letter explaining why you like the micro/oldshoe,
and why you *need* a boat under 14 feet. He just might have something
up his sleeve for you.
At the least I guarantee you'll get a thoughtful and witty reply.
-David
>Greetings,CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
>
> I am new to this group, and fairly new to boatbuilding. I want to
>build a day sailer for my family (two adults, two young kids, one
>infant), but I have to keep the boat under 14 feet!
>
> I am in the military, and I move across the country every couple
>of years. The government will ship boats up to fourteen feet long as
>part of my household goods. It is best to keep a few inches short of
>the limit to avoid arguments with the movers. I would like to end up
>with a boat with an overall length of between 13'6" and 13'9".
>
> I was looking at Bolger's Oldshoe and Micro designs. They seem to
>offer the kind of features that I want. Would it be easier for me to
>buy the Oldshoe (11'7") plans and lengthen them, or buy the Mirco
>(15'4") plans and shorten them? Should I shell out the bucks for
>both plans and try to construct a hybrid?
>
> Thanks!
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>- no flogging dead horses
>- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>- stay on topic and punctuate
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
>MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
Greetings,
I am new to this group, and fairly new to boatbuilding. I want to
build a day sailer for my family (two adults, two young kids, one
infant), but I have to keep the boat under 14 feet!
I am in the military, and I move across the country every couple
of years. The government will ship boats up to fourteen feet long as
part of my household goods. It is best to keep a few inches short of
the limit to avoid arguments with the movers. I would like to end up
with a boat with an overall length of between 13'6" and 13'9".
I was looking at Bolger's Oldshoe and Micro designs. They seem to
offer the kind of features that I want. Would it be easier for me to
buy the Oldshoe (11'7") plans and lengthen them, or buy the Mirco
(15'4") plans and shorten them? Should I shell out the bucks for
both plans and try to construct a hybrid?
Thanks!
Bill
I am new to this group, and fairly new to boatbuilding. I want to
build a day sailer for my family (two adults, two young kids, one
infant), but I have to keep the boat under 14 feet!
I am in the military, and I move across the country every couple
of years. The government will ship boats up to fourteen feet long as
part of my household goods. It is best to keep a few inches short of
the limit to avoid arguments with the movers. I would like to end up
with a boat with an overall length of between 13'6" and 13'9".
I was looking at Bolger's Oldshoe and Micro designs. They seem to
offer the kind of features that I want. Would it be easier for me to
buy the Oldshoe (11'7") plans and lengthen them, or buy the Mirco
(15'4") plans and shorten them? Should I shell out the bucks for
both plans and try to construct a hybrid?
Thanks!
Bill