Re: The Perfect Boat (Dipper ?)
Dipper
Dipper is awfully cute, and looks to be very seaworthy,
and as a Devlin Boat, I am sure it is very well designed.
I had it toward the top of my list, but now am tending
to think it might not quite have the interior room to make
it comfy for two.
I guess it could be enlarged slightly, to say 18' and have
more room, buat then there goes my 16' boat.
Anyone who has one, arguments to the contrary will be entertained.
Thanks again for the info on all the possibilities.
Pat
Dipper is awfully cute, and looks to be very seaworthy,
and as a Devlin Boat, I am sure it is very well designed.
I had it toward the top of my list, but now am tending
to think it might not quite have the interior room to make
it comfy for two.
I guess it could be enlarged slightly, to say 18' and have
more room, buat then there goes my 16' boat.
Anyone who has one, arguments to the contrary will be entertained.
Thanks again for the info on all the possibilities.
Pat
--- In bolger@e..., Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> Dipper, Devlin's mini-tug, is very, very small.
> I don't think it would be a comfortable overnighter for a person
with
> two replaced hips.
>
> Devlin's delightful shantyboat, Millie Hill, is nice, but it's a
floating
> home, not a boat. It couldn't take much weather, I fear.
>
> Chris Crandall crandall@u... (785) 864-4131
> Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS
66045
> I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
Dipper, Devlin's mini-tug, is very, very small.
I don't think it would be a comfortable overnighter for a person with
two replaced hips.
Devlin's delightful shantyboat, Millie Hill, is nice, but it's a floating
home, not a boat. It couldn't take much weather, I fear.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
I don't think it would be a comfortable overnighter for a person with
two replaced hips.
Devlin's delightful shantyboat, Millie Hill, is nice, but it's a floating
home, not a boat. It couldn't take much weather, I fear.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
There was/is a Web site that chronicled the construction of a GP-16.
I've lost the bookmark but Jim Betts mentioned it in one of his GP-16
newsletters.
Steve Hansen
I've lost the bookmark but Jim Betts mentioned it in one of his GP-16
newsletters.
Steve Hansen
> > Thanks for the info on the GP 16
> >
> > Know anybody that has built one.
> >
> > Pat Patteson
>
>You might try writing to the designer, Jim Betts:Pointpubco@...
> Thanks for the info on the GP 16
>
> Know anybody that has built one.
>
> Pat Patteson
Tell him I mentioned his name.
Chuck Leinweber
I've posted a scan of the Bantam 16/20.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/bantam_16_20/bantam.jpg
Peter
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/bantam_16_20/bantam.jpg
Peter
> The closest thing that comes readily to mind is Bolger's Bantamis
> 16/20. (I think that's the name.) It is 20' long assembled, but the
> nose comes off shortening it to 16' for trailering. The hull form
> a trimaran (think of it as home-build cathedral hull). The cabin isa
> variation of the Birdwatcher cabin but it folds for trailering. A
> Dutch couple was building one, and they gave it a name that
> means 'hut' , or something like that.
>
> It's an outboard boat. The berths are good.
>
> It was written up in MAIB some time back.
>
> Peter
>
Hi Pat,
I don't think that I'd ever be so bold as to try and categorize any vessel as "the perfect boat".
There are just too many degrees of freedom in that rfp.
Phil Bolger, however, has looked very hard at the problem of making it easy for folks with movement
restrictions to find the use of a boat easier than it might otherwise be. I believe that he has at
least one design completed and available for purchase that might be of interest to folks with that
type of problem.
I suggest that opening a correspondence with him on the matter might be a very useful step.
Good luck,
Jim
I don't think that I'd ever be so bold as to try and categorize any vessel as "the perfect boat".
There are just too many degrees of freedom in that rfp.
Phil Bolger, however, has looked very hard at the problem of making it easy for folks with movement
restrictions to find the use of a boat easier than it might otherwise be. I believe that he has at
least one design completed and available for purchase that might be of interest to folks with that
type of problem.
I suggest that opening a correspondence with him on the matter might be a very useful step.
Good luck,
Jim
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Thanks for all the help you Bolger Folks have given.
It's nice to know there are people out there who will take
their time to write me with their best solutions to my question.
What is the "Perfect Boat"
Keep those replies coming.
The responce has been overwhelming.
Not all the replies have met my previous criterion.
(See above my letter on the "Perfect Boat")
But my criterion may have been too limiting to what my needs
are, and I may have to take another look at what my limits are.
I am looking for a small, easy to build (although I build furniture
for a living, and can probably build just about anything.)
easy to trail, easy to launch boat, for my wife and I to use as an
overnighter, fishing, camping boat on protected lakes.
We would like something that could be used for a one or two night
fishing trips.
It should have a bed for two. Seperate head, not under the bed.
Large cockpit for fishing, sitting, and lounging.
Place for cooking, undercover, as we live in Oregon, and it tends
to rain a lot here, and would be nice to be able to cook our fish
out of the rain, and nice place to sit and eat.
Standing headroom 6'+ would be nice, but nice sitting headroom
would be OK.
Small HP outbord, displacement hull OK because we are no longer
in a hurry to get anywhere, and the distances we go are not
that great anyway.
Here's a response I gave to one af the latest folks that wrote to
help suggesting a GP 16.
Thanks for the info on the GP 16
Know anybody that has built one.
I've always had a liking for the "Landing Craft" bow ramp.
Had a friend with an old Navy Hawser Tender, 30'long with big Perkins
diesel engine and 24"prop, that he used as an environmental excursion
boat. He put a "Gangway" "ramp" on the bow, and he could go right
up to rocks and stuff, let down the ramp and folks could just walk
off, with boat idling in forward to keep the boat in place until he
could get a line out.
Very cool.
A lot of places where we go have very steep banks and no good
place to get off the boat, but with that ramp, I could do
the same thing. Just crash it up as far as it will go, leave it
in gear, lower the ramp and find a place to tie off.
My wife has had both hips replaced, so crawling in or out or
over a bow is quite a strain. This would make it great.
Right size too.
Tent over steadying sail mast and boom would be OK.
Any other pics of interior layout.
Looks like another winner.
I've recieved quite a few replies to what I thought was a
"Joke" quetion. The 16' Perfect boat.
This one's definitely in the running.
Thank you and all the rest of the Bolger Bunch for helping,
me out, but it always comes back to trade offs.
Gotten everything from this (GP 16) to 20' "Shanty" boat
"Millie Hill", very nice, to 30'"Tennessee" and 26'"Sneakeasy", and
16'Kayleigh , Sharpie with cabin and sleeping room, and lots of Micro
Trawlers.
But my fave, along with yours, is "Dipper" a 16'4" by 7' by 1'8",by
Sam Devlin.
Mini Tug designs with all the accomodations.
I'll wait 'till all the "Perfect Boats" come in, then give a rundown.
GP-16 looks good, but would like to hear from someone who has built
and or used one.
Thank again for your help, and all the other folks.
I guess that's what keeps us going.The next one I build is going to be
"The Perfect Boat"
Thanks again. It's been fun, and the winner is ------.
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
I am going to build one of these, I just don't know which one yet.
Keep the suggestions comming in, and I will yet find
My "Perfect Boat"
It's nice to know there are people out there who will take
their time to write me with their best solutions to my question.
What is the "Perfect Boat"
Keep those replies coming.
The responce has been overwhelming.
Not all the replies have met my previous criterion.
(See above my letter on the "Perfect Boat")
But my criterion may have been too limiting to what my needs
are, and I may have to take another look at what my limits are.
I am looking for a small, easy to build (although I build furniture
for a living, and can probably build just about anything.)
easy to trail, easy to launch boat, for my wife and I to use as an
overnighter, fishing, camping boat on protected lakes.
We would like something that could be used for a one or two night
fishing trips.
It should have a bed for two. Seperate head, not under the bed.
Large cockpit for fishing, sitting, and lounging.
Place for cooking, undercover, as we live in Oregon, and it tends
to rain a lot here, and would be nice to be able to cook our fish
out of the rain, and nice place to sit and eat.
Standing headroom 6'+ would be nice, but nice sitting headroom
would be OK.
Small HP outbord, displacement hull OK because we are no longer
in a hurry to get anywhere, and the distances we go are not
that great anyway.
Here's a response I gave to one af the latest folks that wrote to
help suggesting a GP 16.
Thanks for the info on the GP 16
Know anybody that has built one.
I've always had a liking for the "Landing Craft" bow ramp.
Had a friend with an old Navy Hawser Tender, 30'long with big Perkins
diesel engine and 24"prop, that he used as an environmental excursion
boat. He put a "Gangway" "ramp" on the bow, and he could go right
up to rocks and stuff, let down the ramp and folks could just walk
off, with boat idling in forward to keep the boat in place until he
could get a line out.
Very cool.
A lot of places where we go have very steep banks and no good
place to get off the boat, but with that ramp, I could do
the same thing. Just crash it up as far as it will go, leave it
in gear, lower the ramp and find a place to tie off.
My wife has had both hips replaced, so crawling in or out or
over a bow is quite a strain. This would make it great.
Right size too.
Tent over steadying sail mast and boom would be OK.
Any other pics of interior layout.
Looks like another winner.
I've recieved quite a few replies to what I thought was a
"Joke" quetion. The 16' Perfect boat.
This one's definitely in the running.
Thank you and all the rest of the Bolger Bunch for helping,
me out, but it always comes back to trade offs.
Gotten everything from this (GP 16) to 20' "Shanty" boat
"Millie Hill", very nice, to 30'"Tennessee" and 26'"Sneakeasy", and
16'Kayleigh , Sharpie with cabin and sleeping room, and lots of Micro
Trawlers.
But my fave, along with yours, is "Dipper" a 16'4" by 7' by 1'8",by
Sam Devlin.
Mini Tug designs with all the accomodations.
I'll wait 'till all the "Perfect Boats" come in, then give a rundown.
GP-16 looks good, but would like to hear from someone who has built
and or used one.
Thank again for your help, and all the other folks.
I guess that's what keeps us going.The next one I build is going to be
"The Perfect Boat"
Thanks again. It's been fun, and the winner is ------.
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
I am going to build one of these, I just don't know which one yet.
Keep the suggestions comming in, and I will yet find
My "Perfect Boat"
My modified Hawkeye does not plane as cleanly as the prototype which
was written up in Messing About in Boats. My modifications added quite
a bit of weight consequently it struggles some to get up on a plane.
With the wisdom of hindsight I should have used a 40 hp Honda instead
of the 25. Forty requires some modification of the transom since the
40 is not available with the short shaft. I've noted that most of the
MicroTrawlers that I've seen published have used 40 hp Hondas and they
get up and move. By the way plans are available from the Smithsonian
for Chapelle's "18 ft. Outboard Motor Campskiff" Mr Stambaugh's
Redwing, seems to be based on this design. It would be a little
smaller than Redwing I think. I once lofted this design adding 2
inches to each station to give it an overall length of 19 feet 5
inches. Sometimes I wish I had built it. If Mr Stanbaugh's Redwing
drawings had been available at the time I might have built that. The
Chapelle boat is not designed for plywood and I'm not sure how to make
the adjustments.
was written up in Messing About in Boats. My modifications added quite
a bit of weight consequently it struggles some to get up on a plane.
With the wisdom of hindsight I should have used a 40 hp Honda instead
of the 25. Forty requires some modification of the transom since the
40 is not available with the short shaft. I've noted that most of the
MicroTrawlers that I've seen published have used 40 hp Hondas and they
get up and move. By the way plans are available from the Smithsonian
for Chapelle's "18 ft. Outboard Motor Campskiff" Mr Stambaugh's
Redwing, seems to be based on this design. It would be a little
smaller than Redwing I think. I once lofted this design adding 2
inches to each station to give it an overall length of 19 feet 5
inches. Sometimes I wish I had built it. If Mr Stanbaugh's Redwing
drawings had been available at the time I might have built that. The
Chapelle boat is not designed for plywood and I'm not sure how to make
the adjustments.
--- In bolger@y..., "Clyde S. Wisner" <clydewis@c...> wrote:
> Does the 25hp get the Hawkeye up on to the box keel? Clyde
>
> cha62759@t... wrote:
>
> > I have modified Mr Bolger's Hawkeye to more or less fit your
> > requirements. The problem with the Microtrawler is that it has
> > little if any space outside (for fishing?). My modification was
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> > - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> > - stay on topic and punctuate
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
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Does the 25hp get the Hawkeye up on to the box keel? Clyde
cha62759@...wrote:
cha62759@...wrote:
> I have modified Mr Bolger's Hawkeye to more or less fit your
> requirements. The problem with the Microtrawler is that it has
> little if any space outside (for fishing?). My modification was
>
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> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
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You might take a look at Karl Stambaugh's Chesapeake Marine Design, at some form of Redwing, and at
Selway-Fisher.com, extensive array of plans. Hopefully PCB will get his catalog on a site soon and,
of course, Jim Michalak might have one of his square sailors that could become a motor scow. I've
been looking at Petesboat but it is 24ft and in my case I am concerned about it taking the chop on
the Chesapeake. I would like the same white plastic chairs, minimalist cabin for portapot, and
perhaps to sail to the fishing area, for great gas milage. Clyde
pateson@...wrote:
Selway-Fisher.com, extensive array of plans. Hopefully PCB will get his catalog on a site soon and,
of course, Jim Michalak might have one of his square sailors that could become a motor scow. I've
been looking at Petesboat but it is 24ft and in my case I am concerned about it taking the chop on
the Chesapeake. I would like the same white plastic chairs, minimalist cabin for portapot, and
perhaps to sail to the fishing area, for great gas milage. Clyde
pateson@...wrote:
> I've put in a lot of posts since I found this site, and I've built
Another suggestion among Bolger boats is the 'Cabin Clam Skiff.' It
seems to me that there were scans of the MAIB article posted
somewhere, but I can't find where.
Peter
seems to me that there were scans of the MAIB article posted
somewhere, but I can't find where.
Peter
>less fuss than almost any 16
> A Tennessee would do every thing you want, move through the water with
> footer, and weigh in at half or less than your current boat weight.More like a fourth of the weight. Mine weighed 1000 lbs. There is no head
>
> % Harrywelshman@...
>
room on the standard plan, but it can be easily modified, and has been in
Australia:
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/tenn.htm
The GP-16 is another possibility:
http://www.databoat.com/Page_ProductDetail.asp?sid=161&pid=3548
Chuck
I have given a lot of thought to the power boat problem, because used runabouts are very cheap,
compared to building your own boat. The initial cost, not the up keep.
Is there a reason that your limitation is length and not weight? Fritz's sneakeasy is 26' long, yet
he wheels it down the beach on its own wheels it is so light.
A Tennessee would do every thing you want, move through the water with less fuss than almost any 16
footer, and weigh in at half or less than your current boat weight.
pateson@...wrote:
I'm now looking for the "Perfect" boat for me to build.
compared to building your own boat. The initial cost, not the up keep.
Is there a reason that your limitation is length and not weight? Fritz's sneakeasy is 26' long, yet
he wheels it down the beach on its own wheels it is so light.
A Tennessee would do every thing you want, move through the water with less fuss than almost any 16
footer, and weigh in at half or less than your current boat weight.
pateson@...wrote:
I'm now looking for the "Perfect" boat for me to build.
>% Harrywelshman@...
> I have it now, a 1971 21 foot Rienell Fibergrass Hardtop I/O 170 hp
> cabin boat. But it weighs 4000 pounds, has a Volvo 6 cylinder
> motor,_ _ _ _ _
I have modified Mr Bolger's Hawkeye to more or less fit your
requirements. The problem with the Microtrawler is that it has
little if any space outside (for fishing?). My modification was
including a raised deck forward with bunks under and a pilot house
a little aft of where the original was shown. The boat is heavier
than the basic Hawkeye. I have installed a Honda 25 which moves us
along at 13 mph wide open or a relaxing 10. If I were doing it over
I would use a 40 hp Honda. I must say though that there is no perfect
boat. This boat was not cheap, the engine being the biggest bite out
of my pocketbook. Another alternative would be to use the
Microtrawler and install the transom aft of where the motor well is
shown and instead of the motor well you would have some deck space.
This has been done and I believe Messing About in Boats has had it
written up. Another alternative I've read about and also thought is
to
use the cabin arrangement of the Microtrawler on the Hawkeye with
some
extending of the cabin. This works out neat but again HEAVY. If you
need a picture of my Hawkeye I can probably dig one up.
Bob Chamberland
requirements. The problem with the Microtrawler is that it has
little if any space outside (for fishing?). My modification was
including a raised deck forward with bunks under and a pilot house
a little aft of where the original was shown. The boat is heavier
than the basic Hawkeye. I have installed a Honda 25 which moves us
along at 13 mph wide open or a relaxing 10. If I were doing it over
I would use a 40 hp Honda. I must say though that there is no perfect
boat. This boat was not cheap, the engine being the biggest bite out
of my pocketbook. Another alternative would be to use the
Microtrawler and install the transom aft of where the motor well is
shown and instead of the motor well you would have some deck space.
This has been done and I believe Messing About in Boats has had it
written up. Another alternative I've read about and also thought is
to
use the cabin arrangement of the Microtrawler on the Hawkeye with
some
extending of the cabin. This works out neat but again HEAVY. If you
need a picture of my Hawkeye I can probably dig one up.
Bob Chamberland
--- In bolger@y..., pateson@c... wrote:
> I've put in a lot of posts since I found this site, and I've built
> a lot of small ply boat. Mostly "quick and dirty", but boats
> that can be built in a modest mount of time, and for a modest
> amount of money and will float. I have or have read and studied
> almost all of Bolger's books, and Payson's books.
>
> What I know from eperience, I am willing to, and have shared with
> the Group. Kind of like Popeye used to say "I know's what I know,
> but that's all that I know." I'm Pat, the sailor man.
>
> I'm now looking for the "Perfect" boat for me to build.
>
> I have it now, a 1971 21 foot Rienell Fibergrass Hardtop I/O 170 hp
> cabin boat. But it weighs 4000 pounds, has a Volvo 6 cylinder
> motor, Very expensive parts and an Omc 280 outdive, also very
> expensive part, sitting on a tandem axle trailer,
> that is impossible to tow up any steep grade with my old 75 350
> Chevy pickup and very scarry going down those same grades with
> 5000 pounds of boat a trailer attached to the rear chasing you
> down the hill.
> Great boat. Sleeps two in comfy V-Birth in bow. Kitchen, and
> nice two person table with great view through large windows
> on the side. Nice fishing cockpit in the rear. Very seaworthy, deep
> vee hull. Very heavy (old style)fiberglass constuction.
>
> Now, all I'm looking for is the same accomodaions in a 16 foot
> plywood boat, with maybe a 25 HP 4-cycle outboard.
>
> "Looks" is of no concern to me. I'm 52 years old, and I gave up
> on "looks" a long time ago.
>
> What I'm looking for is a boat that will sleep two (preferable
> together) V or otherwise. Some sort of cooking facilities, table
> for two, and a convenient place for a head (portapotty) that I
> don't have to be sleeping over. (Not Standard V-birth with porta-
> potty under)
> Would like modest aft deck space for two white plastic chairs for
> fishing. And would like standing headroom in the "Cabin"
> I'm 6' tall, my wife could get by with less, but I don't like
> bending over that much, and my bald head doesn't like banging
> into things.
>
> Speed is of little concern. We're on a boat and just being there
> is mostly what it's about. We,ve got time, and even at 5 miles/hr,
> thats 5 miles every hours. We're not going that far.
>
> Have thought about some kind of "Shanty" boat but any other Bolger
> boat or any other suggestions would be greatly appiciated.
>
> Nothing special, just a 16 foot liveaboard.
>
> Thinking if maybe a 16 foot by 7 foot "Brick" Sleep crossways.
>
> Said that looks weren't imprtant.
>
> Probably hang the outboard on the transome. Long shaft. Low
transome
>
> Has any one built or know about the "Super-Brick", that might
> be the thing and certainly looks easy enough to build.
>
> Scows are not bad.
>
> Went on a Hay Scow (think it ws the Sara or somthing like that
> in San Francisco.
>
> Big boat, but slightly narrower at bow.
>
> Don't know if that would be better, especially if going to sleep
> up there.
>
> Maybe 16'x 8' with 7' bow. But now we're talking about the
> "Shanty" boat again.
>
> Think I saw an 18' "Bachelor's" shanty, maybe by Boger, but with
> no power, guess you just got pushed to where you wanted to go.
> Put an anchor several hunred feet out with a line thought it,
> another line attached to the shore, then just pull yourself
> out for the day, then back to shore for the night. Very simple,
> very cool.
>
> Very cool. Wood buning stove (just gather up all the driftwood, get
a
> fire hot enoght to burn. and you've got a fire and all the
amenities,
> enclosed head, kitchen, rooftop sundeck, but alas, just a single
bed,
> and with my young 50 year young wifie. That would never do. That
> could be fixed.
> Lots of windows.
> I would add a support Frame for "kicker" here in Oregon it would
have
> to be less than 10 HP Or you would be required to have a "Boater's
> License" to opporate any boat with 10 hp or more.
> I think its great. I've got mine. I think it was aimed at the
Idiots
> that drive Peronal Water Craft, and try to weed out the idiots,
from
> the complete idiots., But you're going to have to have one here
> in Oregon for anything over 10 HP. (Mayby that's why they make so
may
> 9.9 hp motors.)
>
> Enough rambeling.
>
> Any one that has an idea for a 16 foot boat, not including motor
and
> mount. 6'-8' beam with all the above requirements.
> Sleeps two, side by side.
> Head that you don't have to sleep over.
> Kitchen,and or cooking facilities with room for large ice chest, or
> fidge.
> Nice place to eat, with a view.
> Fishing area aft, large enough to fit two white plastic chairs side
> by side.
> Place for motor large enough to propel it a a decent rate. (15-25
hp)
> Fuel storage for said motor.
> Headroom in "Cabin" for 6 foot guy.
> "Pretty" boat not required.
> Shower, hot tub, and sauna optonial, but not required.
>
> Thanks
>
> Pat Patteson
>
> Molalla Oregon
>
>
> Anyone that can get me plans for said boat and are somewhere nearby
>
> can spend a week end with us on it, or use it yourself, if you like
>
> a bed for two. And all amenities.
>
> Thanks again
>
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> woodburning
You don't ask for much do you?
Perhaps the Bolger Microtrawler fits your criteria best. Two 6'6"
berths, an enclosed pilot house and galley with standing
headroom - all in an easily trailerable, fourteen and a half foot
boat.
Take a look at Jim Michalak's Shantuese. I don't know if anyone has
built one yet:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/1999/0415/index.htm#Shant
euse
It does not fit all of your criteria - 6 feet of standing headroom
comes to mind. It might be a start. Perhaps you could add a box
keel for additional headroom.
I also thought of a Bolger Fast Motorsailer, but it's too long at 23'.
Regards,
Andy Farquhar
Perhaps the Bolger Microtrawler fits your criteria best. Two 6'6"
berths, an enclosed pilot house and galley with standing
headroom - all in an easily trailerable, fourteen and a half foot
boat.
Take a look at Jim Michalak's Shantuese. I don't know if anyone has
built one yet:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/1999/0415/index.htm#Shant
euse
It does not fit all of your criteria - 6 feet of standing headroom
comes to mind. It might be a start. Perhaps you could add a box
keel for additional headroom.
I also thought of a Bolger Fast Motorsailer, but it's too long at 23'.
Regards,
Andy Farquhar
Pat,
How about the Microtrawler. Don't know about the 9.9 hp motor behind that
one, but is may meet all your other criteria.
Jim
How about the Microtrawler. Don't know about the 9.9 hp motor behind that
one, but is may meet all your other criteria.
Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From:pateson@...[mailto:pateson@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 5:23 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] The Perfect Boat
>
>
> I've put in a lot of posts since I found this site, and I've built
> a lot of small ply boat. Mostly "quick and dirty", but boats
> that can be built in a modest mount of time, and for a modest
> amount of money and will float. I have or have read and studied
> almost all of Bolger's books, and Payson's books.
>
> What I know from eperience, I am willing to, and have shared with
> the Group. Kind of like Popeye used to say "I know's what I know,
> but that's all that I know." I'm Pat, the sailor man.
>
> I'm now looking for the "Perfect" boat for me to build.
>
> I have it now, a 1971 21 foot Rienell Fibergrass Hardtop I/O 170 hp
> cabin boat. But it weighs 4000 pounds, has a Volvo 6 cylinder
> motor, Very expensive parts and an Omc 280 outdive, also very
> expensive part, sitting on a tandem axle trailer,
> that is impossible to tow up any steep grade with my old 75 350
> Chevy pickup and very scarry going down those same grades with
> 5000 pounds of boat a trailer attached to the rear chasing you
> down the hill.
> Great boat. Sleeps two in comfy V-Birth in bow. Kitchen, and
> nice two person table with great view through large windows
> on the side. Nice fishing cockpit in the rear. Very seaworthy, deep
> vee hull. Very heavy (old style)fiberglass constuction.
>
> Now, all I'm looking for is the same accomodaions in a 16 foot
> plywood boat, with maybe a 25 HP 4-cycle outboard.
>
> "Looks" is of no concern to me. I'm 52 years old, and I gave up
> on "looks" a long time ago.
>
> What I'm looking for is a boat that will sleep two (preferable
> together) V or otherwise. Some sort of cooking facilities, table
> for two, and a convenient place for a head (portapotty) that I
> don't have to be sleeping over. (Not Standard V-birth with porta-
> potty under)
> Would like modest aft deck space for two white plastic chairs for
> fishing. And would like standing headroom in the "Cabin"
> I'm 6' tall, my wife could get by with less, but I don't like
> bending over that much, and my bald head doesn't like banging
> into things.
>
> Speed is of little concern. We're on a boat and just being there
> is mostly what it's about. We,ve got time, and even at 5 miles/hr,
> thats 5 miles every hours. We're not going that far.
>
> Have thought about some kind of "Shanty" boat but any other Bolger
> boat or any other suggestions would be greatly appiciated.
>
> Nothing special, just a 16 foot liveaboard.
>
> Thinking if maybe a 16 foot by 7 foot "Brick" Sleep crossways.
>
> Said that looks weren't imprtant.
>
> Probably hang the outboard on the transome. Long shaft. Low transome
>
> Has any one built or know about the "Super-Brick", that might
> be the thing and certainly looks easy enough to build.
>
> Scows are not bad.
>
> Went on a Hay Scow (think it ws the Sara or somthing like that
> in San Francisco.
>
> Big boat, but slightly narrower at bow.
>
> Don't know if that would be better, especially if going to sleep
> up there.
>
> Maybe 16'x 8' with 7' bow. But now we're talking about the
> "Shanty" boat again.
>
> Think I saw an 18' "Bachelor's" shanty, maybe by Boger, but with
> no power, guess you just got pushed to where you wanted to go.
> Put an anchor several hunred feet out with a line thought it,
> another line attached to the shore, then just pull yourself
> out for the day, then back to shore for the night. Very simple,
> very cool.
>
> Very cool. Wood buning stove (just gather up all the driftwood, get a
> fire hot enoght to burn. and you've got a fire and all the amenities,
> enclosed head, kitchen, rooftop sundeck, but alas, just a single bed,
> and with my young 50 year young wifie. That would never do. That
> could be fixed.
> Lots of windows.
> I would add a support Frame for "kicker" here in Oregon it would have
> to be less than 10 HP Or you would be required to have a "Boater's
> License" to opporate any boat with 10 hp or more.
> I think its great. I've got mine. I think it was aimed at the Idiots
> that drive Peronal Water Craft, and try to weed out the idiots, from
> the complete idiots., But you're going to have to have one here
> in Oregon for anything over 10 HP. (Mayby that's why they make so may
> 9.9 hp motors.)
>
> Enough rambeling.
>
> Any one that has an idea for a 16 foot boat, not including motor and
> mount. 6'-8' beam with all the above requirements.
> Sleeps two, side by side.
> Head that you don't have to sleep over.
> Kitchen,and or cooking facilities with room for large ice chest, or
> fidge.
> Nice place to eat, with a view.
> Fishing area aft, large enough to fit two white plastic chairs side
> by side.
> Place for motor large enough to propel it a a decent rate. (15-25 hp)
> Fuel storage for said motor.
> Headroom in "Cabin" for 6 foot guy.
> "Pretty" boat not required.
> Shower, hot tub, and sauna optonial, but not required.
>
> Thanks
>
> Pat Patteson
>
> Molalla Oregon
>
>
> Anyone that can get me plans for said boat and are somewhere nearby
>
> can spend a week end with us on it, or use it yourself, if you like
>
> a bed for two. And all amenities.
>
> Thanks again
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> woodburning
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>
>
>
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The closest thing that comes readily to mind is Bolger's Bantam
16/20. (I think that's the name.) It is 20' long assembled, but the
nose comes off shortening it to 16' for trailering. The hull form is
a trimaran (think of it as home-build cathedral hull). The cabin is a
variation of the Birdwatcher cabin but it folds for trailering. A
Dutch couple was building one, and they gave it a name that
means 'hut' , or something like that.
It's an outboard boat. The berths are good.
It was written up in MAIB some time back.
Peter
16/20. (I think that's the name.) It is 20' long assembled, but the
nose comes off shortening it to 16' for trailering. The hull form is
a trimaran (think of it as home-build cathedral hull). The cabin is a
variation of the Birdwatcher cabin but it folds for trailering. A
Dutch couple was building one, and they gave it a name that
means 'hut' , or something like that.
It's an outboard boat. The berths are good.
It was written up in MAIB some time back.
Peter
--- In bolger@y..., pateson@c... wrote:
> I've put in a lot of posts since I found this site, and I've built
> a lot of small ply boat. Mostly "quick and dirty", but boats
> that can be built in a modest mount of time, and for a modest
> amount of money and will float. I have or have read and studied
> almost all of Bolger's books, and Payson's books.
>
> What I know from eperience, I am willing to, and have shared with
> the Group. Kind of like Popeye used to say "I know's what I know,
> but that's all that I know." I'm Pat, the sailor man.
I've put in a lot of posts since I found this site, and I've built
a lot of small ply boat. Mostly "quick and dirty", but boats
that can be built in a modest mount of time, and for a modest
amount of money and will float. I have or have read and studied
almost all of Bolger's books, and Payson's books.
What I know from eperience, I am willing to, and have shared with
the Group. Kind of like Popeye used to say "I know's what I know,
but that's all that I know." I'm Pat, the sailor man.
I'm now looking for the "Perfect" boat for me to build.
I have it now, a 1971 21 foot Rienell Fibergrass Hardtop I/O 170 hp
cabin boat. But it weighs 4000 pounds, has a Volvo 6 cylinder
motor, Very expensive parts and an Omc 280 outdive, also very
expensive part, sitting on a tandem axle trailer,
that is impossible to tow up any steep grade with my old 75 350
Chevy pickup and very scarry going down those same grades with
5000 pounds of boat a trailer attached to the rear chasing you
down the hill.
Great boat. Sleeps two in comfy V-Birth in bow. Kitchen, and
nice two person table with great view through large windows
on the side. Nice fishing cockpit in the rear. Very seaworthy, deep
vee hull. Very heavy (old style)fiberglass constuction.
Now, all I'm looking for is the same accomodaions in a 16 foot
plywood boat, with maybe a 25 HP 4-cycle outboard.
"Looks" is of no concern to me. I'm 52 years old, and I gave up
on "looks" a long time ago.
What I'm looking for is a boat that will sleep two (preferable
together) V or otherwise. Some sort of cooking facilities, table
for two, and a convenient place for a head (portapotty) that I
don't have to be sleeping over. (Not Standard V-birth with porta-
potty under)
Would like modest aft deck space for two white plastic chairs for
fishing. And would like standing headroom in the "Cabin"
I'm 6' tall, my wife could get by with less, but I don't like
bending over that much, and my bald head doesn't like banging
into things.
Speed is of little concern. We're on a boat and just being there
is mostly what it's about. We,ve got time, and even at 5 miles/hr,
thats 5 miles every hours. We're not going that far.
Have thought about some kind of "Shanty" boat but any other Bolger
boat or any other suggestions would be greatly appiciated.
Nothing special, just a 16 foot liveaboard.
Thinking if maybe a 16 foot by 7 foot "Brick" Sleep crossways.
Said that looks weren't imprtant.
Probably hang the outboard on the transome. Long shaft. Low transome
Has any one built or know about the "Super-Brick", that might
be the thing and certainly looks easy enough to build.
Scows are not bad.
Went on a Hay Scow (think it ws the Sara or somthing like that
in San Francisco.
Big boat, but slightly narrower at bow.
Don't know if that would be better, especially if going to sleep
up there.
Maybe 16'x 8' with 7' bow. But now we're talking about the
"Shanty" boat again.
Think I saw an 18' "Bachelor's" shanty, maybe by Boger, but with
no power, guess you just got pushed to where you wanted to go.
Put an anchor several hunred feet out with a line thought it,
another line attached to the shore, then just pull yourself
out for the day, then back to shore for the night. Very simple,
very cool.
Very cool. Wood buning stove (just gather up all the driftwood, get a
fire hot enoght to burn. and you've got a fire and all the amenities,
enclosed head, kitchen, rooftop sundeck, but alas, just a single bed,
and with my young 50 year young wifie. That would never do. That
could be fixed.
Lots of windows.
I would add a support Frame for "kicker" here in Oregon it would have
to be less than 10 HP Or you would be required to have a "Boater's
License" to opporate any boat with 10 hp or more.
I think its great. I've got mine. I think it was aimed at the Idiots
that drive Peronal Water Craft, and try to weed out the idiots, from
the complete idiots., But you're going to have to have one here
in Oregon for anything over 10 HP. (Mayby that's why they make so may
9.9 hp motors.)
Enough rambeling.
Any one that has an idea for a 16 foot boat, not including motor and
mount. 6'-8' beam with all the above requirements.
Sleeps two, side by side.
Head that you don't have to sleep over.
Kitchen,and or cooking facilities with room for large ice chest, or
fidge.
Nice place to eat, with a view.
Fishing area aft, large enough to fit two white plastic chairs side
by side.
Place for motor large enough to propel it a a decent rate. (15-25 hp)
Fuel storage for said motor.
Headroom in "Cabin" for 6 foot guy.
"Pretty" boat not required.
Shower, hot tub, and sauna optonial, but not required.
Thanks
Pat Patteson
Molalla Oregon
Anyone that can get me plans for said boat and are somewhere nearby
can spend a week end with us on it, or use it yourself, if you like
a bed for two. And all amenities.
Thanks again
woodburning
a lot of small ply boat. Mostly "quick and dirty", but boats
that can be built in a modest mount of time, and for a modest
amount of money and will float. I have or have read and studied
almost all of Bolger's books, and Payson's books.
What I know from eperience, I am willing to, and have shared with
the Group. Kind of like Popeye used to say "I know's what I know,
but that's all that I know." I'm Pat, the sailor man.
I'm now looking for the "Perfect" boat for me to build.
I have it now, a 1971 21 foot Rienell Fibergrass Hardtop I/O 170 hp
cabin boat. But it weighs 4000 pounds, has a Volvo 6 cylinder
motor, Very expensive parts and an Omc 280 outdive, also very
expensive part, sitting on a tandem axle trailer,
that is impossible to tow up any steep grade with my old 75 350
Chevy pickup and very scarry going down those same grades with
5000 pounds of boat a trailer attached to the rear chasing you
down the hill.
Great boat. Sleeps two in comfy V-Birth in bow. Kitchen, and
nice two person table with great view through large windows
on the side. Nice fishing cockpit in the rear. Very seaworthy, deep
vee hull. Very heavy (old style)fiberglass constuction.
Now, all I'm looking for is the same accomodaions in a 16 foot
plywood boat, with maybe a 25 HP 4-cycle outboard.
"Looks" is of no concern to me. I'm 52 years old, and I gave up
on "looks" a long time ago.
What I'm looking for is a boat that will sleep two (preferable
together) V or otherwise. Some sort of cooking facilities, table
for two, and a convenient place for a head (portapotty) that I
don't have to be sleeping over. (Not Standard V-birth with porta-
potty under)
Would like modest aft deck space for two white plastic chairs for
fishing. And would like standing headroom in the "Cabin"
I'm 6' tall, my wife could get by with less, but I don't like
bending over that much, and my bald head doesn't like banging
into things.
Speed is of little concern. We're on a boat and just being there
is mostly what it's about. We,ve got time, and even at 5 miles/hr,
thats 5 miles every hours. We're not going that far.
Have thought about some kind of "Shanty" boat but any other Bolger
boat or any other suggestions would be greatly appiciated.
Nothing special, just a 16 foot liveaboard.
Thinking if maybe a 16 foot by 7 foot "Brick" Sleep crossways.
Said that looks weren't imprtant.
Probably hang the outboard on the transome. Long shaft. Low transome
Has any one built or know about the "Super-Brick", that might
be the thing and certainly looks easy enough to build.
Scows are not bad.
Went on a Hay Scow (think it ws the Sara or somthing like that
in San Francisco.
Big boat, but slightly narrower at bow.
Don't know if that would be better, especially if going to sleep
up there.
Maybe 16'x 8' with 7' bow. But now we're talking about the
"Shanty" boat again.
Think I saw an 18' "Bachelor's" shanty, maybe by Boger, but with
no power, guess you just got pushed to where you wanted to go.
Put an anchor several hunred feet out with a line thought it,
another line attached to the shore, then just pull yourself
out for the day, then back to shore for the night. Very simple,
very cool.
Very cool. Wood buning stove (just gather up all the driftwood, get a
fire hot enoght to burn. and you've got a fire and all the amenities,
enclosed head, kitchen, rooftop sundeck, but alas, just a single bed,
and with my young 50 year young wifie. That would never do. That
could be fixed.
Lots of windows.
I would add a support Frame for "kicker" here in Oregon it would have
to be less than 10 HP Or you would be required to have a "Boater's
License" to opporate any boat with 10 hp or more.
I think its great. I've got mine. I think it was aimed at the Idiots
that drive Peronal Water Craft, and try to weed out the idiots, from
the complete idiots., But you're going to have to have one here
in Oregon for anything over 10 HP. (Mayby that's why they make so may
9.9 hp motors.)
Enough rambeling.
Any one that has an idea for a 16 foot boat, not including motor and
mount. 6'-8' beam with all the above requirements.
Sleeps two, side by side.
Head that you don't have to sleep over.
Kitchen,and or cooking facilities with room for large ice chest, or
fidge.
Nice place to eat, with a view.
Fishing area aft, large enough to fit two white plastic chairs side
by side.
Place for motor large enough to propel it a a decent rate. (15-25 hp)
Fuel storage for said motor.
Headroom in "Cabin" for 6 foot guy.
"Pretty" boat not required.
Shower, hot tub, and sauna optonial, but not required.
Thanks
Pat Patteson
Molalla Oregon
Anyone that can get me plans for said boat and are somewhere nearby
can spend a week end with us on it, or use it yourself, if you like
a bed for two. And all amenities.
Thanks again
woodburning