Re: diablo
A similar offer goes for anyone within driving distance of Central
Massachusetts. If you would like to try a Diablo or Pointy Skiff.
Drop a line.
David JOst
"molding away in a damp Boston"
Massachusetts. If you would like to try a Diablo or Pointy Skiff.
Drop a line.
David JOst
"molding away in a damp Boston"
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "curtis betts" <curtis@f...> wrote:
> I recently bought an old Diablo. Exterior sheathed in glass
> (polyester), seems good except for closed bow compartment and knee
> rotted out, transom pulling away from the knee.
>
> Dislikes about Diablo: High bow blows around a lot, holds a lot of
> rainwater, mine has minimal flotation. Has anybody tried alternate
> interior layouts? Perhaps closed fore-and-aft benches, canted to
> shed rain out of scuppers? With soda-bottle flotation?
>
> > I would get a long handled tiller extension and sit on the center
> > thwart to steer the boat
> The rear thwart is pretty well forward, Straddling it does well
with
> most loads.
>
> > I think the boat runs best with about 50 lbs of gear in the bow.
I
> > use a small child (son).
> I use a daughter. She thought it was great when, running flat out,
I
> let go of the tiller for a second. Tiller went hard a-port,
pushing
> Diablo right over onto the chine, not a bit further. Unnerving,
but
> I now have tremendous confidence in the boat.
>
> > The best run I have had was with the entire family and dog. That
> > would be with about 500 lbs of gear and family for an outing in
> > Chatham. The boat handles the 1-3 foot chop fine with a load
such
> as this.
>
> > I currently am using a 10hp Johnson ls motor that is sufficient
for
> > my uses. I think a 15 hp is perfect.
>
> An old 15hp short shaft is great with a light load, but slows down
> quite a bit when you get over 6-800 lbs. The short shaft sometimes
> grabs at air in sharp turns.
>
> However, it gets old switching the 15 back and forth with the
> Skimmer. Hard to get Skimmer up on a plane with an 8hp (I weigh
> 200+), but goes OK once started. A few miles of chop can get
pretty
> tiring with either motor.
>
> If anyone would like to try out a Diablo or Skimmer in mid-coast
> Maine, let me know.
I recently bought an old Diablo. Exterior sheathed in glass
(polyester), seems good except for closed bow compartment and knee
rotted out, transom pulling away from the knee.
Dislikes about Diablo: High bow blows around a lot, holds a lot of
rainwater, mine has minimal flotation. Has anybody tried alternate
interior layouts? Perhaps closed fore-and-aft benches, canted to
shed rain out of scuppers? With soda-bottle flotation?
most loads.
let go of the tiller for a second. Tiller went hard a-port, pushing
Diablo right over onto the chine, not a bit further. Unnerving, but
I now have tremendous confidence in the boat.
quite a bit when you get over 6-800 lbs. The short shaft sometimes
grabs at air in sharp turns.
However, it gets old switching the 15 back and forth with the
Skimmer. Hard to get Skimmer up on a plane with an 8hp (I weigh
200+), but goes OK once started. A few miles of chop can get pretty
tiring with either motor.
If anyone would like to try out a Diablo or Skimmer in mid-coast
Maine, let me know.
(polyester), seems good except for closed bow compartment and knee
rotted out, transom pulling away from the knee.
Dislikes about Diablo: High bow blows around a lot, holds a lot of
rainwater, mine has minimal flotation. Has anybody tried alternate
interior layouts? Perhaps closed fore-and-aft benches, canted to
shed rain out of scuppers? With soda-bottle flotation?
> I would get a long handled tiller extension and sit on the centerThe rear thwart is pretty well forward, Straddling it does well with
> thwart to steer the boat
most loads.
> I think the boat runs best with about 50 lbs of gear in the bow. II use a daughter. She thought it was great when, running flat out, I
> use a small child (son).
let go of the tiller for a second. Tiller went hard a-port, pushing
Diablo right over onto the chine, not a bit further. Unnerving, but
I now have tremendous confidence in the boat.
> The best run I have had was with the entire family and dog. Thatas this.
> would be with about 500 lbs of gear and family for an outing in
> Chatham. The boat handles the 1-3 foot chop fine with a load such
> I currently am using a 10hp Johnson ls motor that is sufficient forAn old 15hp short shaft is great with a light load, but slows down
> my uses. I think a 15 hp is perfect.
quite a bit when you get over 6-800 lbs. The short shaft sometimes
grabs at air in sharp turns.
However, it gets old switching the 15 back and forth with the
Skimmer. Hard to get Skimmer up on a plane with an 8hp (I weigh
200+), but goes OK once started. A few miles of chop can get pretty
tiring with either motor.
If anyone would like to try out a Diablo or Skimmer in mid-coast
Maine, let me know.
I weigh 200lbs, and the boat is very light with only myself aboard.
I
would get a long handled tiller extension and sit on the center
thwart
to steer the boat. I originally had set up my boat with a center
console and steering wheel, but found that the boat became less
handy,
and storage was a pain.
I think the boat runs best with about 50 lbs of gear in the bow. I
use a small child (son). Th
The best run I have had was with the entire family and dog. That
would be with about 500 lbs of gear and family for an outing in
Chatham. The boat handles the 1-3 foot chop fine with a load such as
this.
Any ballast you put in should be secured so that it does not shift
around.
I currently am using a 10hp Johnson ls motor that is sufficient for
my
uses. I think a 15 hp is perfect.
Good luck.
David Jost "not building, but working today"
I
would get a long handled tiller extension and sit on the center
thwart
to steer the boat. I originally had set up my boat with a center
console and steering wheel, but found that the boat became less
handy,
and storage was a pain.
I think the boat runs best with about 50 lbs of gear in the bow. I
use a small child (son). Th
The best run I have had was with the entire family and dog. That
would be with about 500 lbs of gear and family for an outing in
Chatham. The boat handles the 1-3 foot chop fine with a load such as
this.
Any ballast you put in should be secured so that it does not shift
around.
I currently am using a 10hp Johnson ls motor that is sufficient for
my
uses. I think a 15 hp is perfect.
Good luck.
David Jost "not building, but working today"
I have started work on a Diablo but, in the light of comments here
about how light the boat is, have come to worry about whether the
boat will be up to carrying me safely - I weigh about 300 pounds. Has
anybody any comments/first hand experience. Would ballasting be
advisable - if so what/where.
Many thanks for any help.
about how light the boat is, have come to worry about whether the
boat will be up to carrying me safely - I weigh about 300 pounds. Has
anybody any comments/first hand experience. Would ballasting be
advisable - if so what/where.
Many thanks for any help.
"stoverr" <stover-@...> wrote:
original article: 1110
have at home, the last wooden boat I saw was in Madisonville, Lousiana
at the wooden boat festival in September 1998. Have had a lot of folks
say "wow" and "neat", but there has been little success in raising a
local group of devotees. Looking forward to the TX-OK-AR messabout.
Phil Lea
Russellville, AR.
original article: 1110
> Sean: I just joined the group and I too live in Portland, and work atOHSU.
> An egroup you might be interested in isriverswest@egroups.com. Thisis a
> nonprofit group mostly boatbuilders and goofers, who have a shop atOaks
> Park in Portland. If you join the group you can use the space tobuild or
> restore almost any size boat up to 20ft. The group organizesmessabouts and
> has in past years sponsored a wooden boat show here in Portland. Bythe
> way my name is 'Richard Stover. I have a big garage full of boats IveI
> built: a british knockoff of a bolger gull, a six hour canoe, 17ft
> lapstrake sailing canoe, 16 ft lapstrake norwegian faering (rowboat),
> didnt build it but I also have a 20ft sailing dory ....Some folks live in more desirable locations. Other than the boat I
have at home, the last wooden boat I saw was in Madisonville, Lousiana
at the wooden boat festival in September 1998. Have had a lot of folks
say "wow" and "neat", but there has been little success in raising a
local group of devotees. Looking forward to the TX-OK-AR messabout.
Phil Lea
Russellville, AR.
The RiversWest group that Richard mentioned has a nice web site at
http://www.pcez.com/~oteral/default.htm/homea.htmlthat he wrote an
article for. It's worth a look just to see the picture of his
faering.
Sean Rooney
sean@...
http://www.pcez.com/~oteral/default.htm/homea.htmlthat he wrote an
article for. It's worth a look just to see the picture of his
faering.
Sean Rooney
sean@...
Sean, I've been flummoxed by e-mail in trying to reply; if this makes
it through it's in response to several of your messages.
I don't think you'd regret choosing the Diablo. I've met four others
who've built these boats, and all have said they'd never part with
them. The South Street Seaport Maritime Museum in New York built one
as a yard boat, and it was highly regarded by the staff until it was
smashed against a pier in a hurricane. Bolger has said he thinks this
is one of his best designs, and as I'm sure you've seen from the books,
he has used many variations of the shape, from the original Fast
Motorsailor to the 40-something-foot Samuel Clyde.
I stretched mine the easy way, not by moving the station molds but
simply adding three feet in the stern section, where all lines are
straight save the sheer. I beefed up the transom and stern knee, added
big quarter knees, and hung a 40-horse motor on the transom. With one
person aboard it's absurdly fast, but we're always overloading it and
the big motor is useful.
Even with all that power the Diablo's manners are fine; especially in a
confused or following sea, it tracks like a train. Some of that
behavior is probably due to the extended length-to-beam ratio.
I changed the interior quite a bit, adding stowage, a box for fuel
tanks forward, seats with flotation aft, etc. i wouldn't move any of
the frames, but go ahead and add things: with this type of
construction, the more stuff you bond in, the stronger the boat becomes.
Good luck,
Tim
sean rooney <sea-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1108
it through it's in response to several of your messages.
I don't think you'd regret choosing the Diablo. I've met four others
who've built these boats, and all have said they'd never part with
them. The South Street Seaport Maritime Museum in New York built one
as a yard boat, and it was highly regarded by the staff until it was
smashed against a pier in a hurricane. Bolger has said he thinks this
is one of his best designs, and as I'm sure you've seen from the books,
he has used many variations of the shape, from the original Fast
Motorsailor to the 40-something-foot Samuel Clyde.
I stretched mine the easy way, not by moving the station molds but
simply adding three feet in the stern section, where all lines are
straight save the sheer. I beefed up the transom and stern knee, added
big quarter knees, and hung a 40-horse motor on the transom. With one
person aboard it's absurdly fast, but we're always overloading it and
the big motor is useful.
Even with all that power the Diablo's manners are fine; especially in a
confused or following sea, it tracks like a train. Some of that
behavior is probably due to the extended length-to-beam ratio.
I changed the interior quite a bit, adding stowage, a box for fuel
tanks forward, seats with flotation aft, etc. i wouldn't move any of
the frames, but go ahead and add things: with this type of
construction, the more stuff you bond in, the stronger the boat becomes.
Good luck,
Tim
sean rooney <sea-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1108
>to write
>
> >
> >I don't like the box seats on either side of the stern. Was going
> >payson about this and the location of the aft frame to make sure myproposed
> >thwart seat wouldn't compromise anything.
>
> I don't like them in Diablo either - about the only misgiving I have
> with the design, save some concern for initial stability. I was
> thinking of shortening them (fore to aft) and adding a full beam
> thwart seat across the front of them, making a motor well of sorts,
> but I'd rather take them out altogether and just use the thwart seat.
> Let us know what Dynamite says about it - I can't tell if it's a
> structural thing or if Bolger just likes that seat arrangement.
>
>
>
>
> Sean Rooney
>sean@...
>
early designer of stitch and glue boats. I also have plans for a
jochems schooner, but have not had the courage to start due to the
projected price tag of 12000$. Thanks for having this egroup, will keep in
touch. Richard12000$?????? You must be kidding. I live in Oslo, Norway, one of the most expensive places in Europe, and I have purchased everything I need for my Jochems Schooner (including sails) exept for ropes and blocks and I have paid abt 50000 NOK (abt 7000$). I expect to launch my little darling in June and will let you know by how much I have miscalculated this project...Bjorn
Sean: I just joined the group and I too live in Portland, and work at OHSU.
An egroup you might be interested in isriverswest@egroups.com. This is a
nonprofit group mostly boatbuilders and goofers, who have a shop at Oaks
Park in Portland. If you join the group you can use the space to build or
restore almost any size boat up to 20ft. The group organizes messabouts and
has in past years sponsored a wooden boat show here in Portland. By the
way my name is 'Richard Stover. I have a big garage full of boats Ive
built: a british knockoff of a bolger gull, a six hour canoe, 17ft
lapstrake sailing canoe, 16 ft lapstrake norwegian faering(rowboat), I
didnt build it but I also have a 20ft sailing dory designed by Joe Dobler,
an early designer of stitch and glue boats. I also have plans for a
jochems schooner, but have not had the courage to start due to the
projected price tag of 12000$. Thanks for having this egroup, will keep in
touch. Richard
----------
An egroup you might be interested in isriverswest@egroups.com. This is a
nonprofit group mostly boatbuilders and goofers, who have a shop at Oaks
Park in Portland. If you join the group you can use the space to build or
restore almost any size boat up to 20ft. The group organizes messabouts and
has in past years sponsored a wooden boat show here in Portland. By the
way my name is 'Richard Stover. I have a big garage full of boats Ive
built: a british knockoff of a bolger gull, a six hour canoe, 17ft
lapstrake sailing canoe, 16 ft lapstrake norwegian faering(rowboat), I
didnt build it but I also have a 20ft sailing dory designed by Joe Dobler,
an early designer of stitch and glue boats. I also have plans for a
jochems schooner, but have not had the courage to start due to the
projected price tag of 12000$. Thanks for having this egroup, will keep in
touch. Richard
----------
> From: Sean Rooney <sean@...>
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: diablo
> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 5:24 PM
>
> I live in Tigard, SW suburbs of Portland. I'm an ophthalmology
> resident at Oregon Health Sciences University and will finish my
> training in June 2002. There is a river on every street corner here,
> not to mention quite a few very nice mountain lakes (and a little
> pond called the Pacific an hour away) and all I've had to play with
> is a solo fiberglass canoe that I rescued from my parents' neighbor
> in Illinois just before I moved here. It had been 'stored' upside
> down in lakeside mud for many years and all the wooden gunwales,
> thwarts, and seats were rotted. My first boat repair project was
> replacing the gunwales and thwarts with mahogany - looks nice on the
> green hull.
>
>
> >
> >
> >Where in Oregon are you living Sean? That's my old stomping grounds,
> >especially SW, around the Rogue River
>
>
>
>
> Sean Rooney
>sean@...
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>I don't like them in Diablo either - about the only misgiving I have
>I don't like the box seats on either side of the stern. Was going to write
>payson about this and the location of the aft frame to make sure my proposed
>thwart seat wouldn't compromise anything.
with the design, save some concern for initial stability. I was
thinking of shortening them (fore to aft) and adding a full beam
thwart seat across the front of them, making a motor well of sorts,
but I'd rather take them out altogether and just use the thwart seat.
Let us know what Dynamite says about it - I can't tell if it's a
structural thing or if Bolger just likes that seat arrangement.
Sean Rooney
sean@...
I live in Tigard, SW suburbs of Portland. I'm an ophthalmology
resident at Oregon Health Sciences University and will finish my
training in June 2002. There is a river on every street corner here,
not to mention quite a few very nice mountain lakes (and a little
pond called the Pacific an hour away) and all I've had to play with
is a solo fiberglass canoe that I rescued from my parents' neighbor
in Illinois just before I moved here. It had been 'stored' upside
down in lakeside mud for many years and all the wooden gunwales,
thwarts, and seats were rotted. My first boat repair project was
replacing the gunwales and thwarts with mahogany - looks nice on the
green hull.
sean@...
resident at Oregon Health Sciences University and will finish my
training in June 2002. There is a river on every street corner here,
not to mention quite a few very nice mountain lakes (and a little
pond called the Pacific an hour away) and all I've had to play with
is a solo fiberglass canoe that I rescued from my parents' neighbor
in Illinois just before I moved here. It had been 'stored' upside
down in lakeside mud for many years and all the wooden gunwales,
thwarts, and seats were rotted. My first boat repair project was
replacing the gunwales and thwarts with mahogany - looks nice on the
green hull.
>Sean Rooney
>
>Where in Oregon are you living Sean? That's my old stomping grounds,
>especially SW, around the Rogue River
sean@...
I bought the plans for the 15'6" Work Skiff at the same time I bought the
Windsprint plans. My plan was to sell the hull of my 15' Aluminum Jonboat,
keeping the trailer and motor, which would just about pay for the Windsprint
and the Workskiff.
I choose workskiff over a Diablo because I think the chine log and nails boats
are, overall, more stable than a multichine. One of the neatest things Phil
did with this design is to make the aft 8' perfectly square. This part of the
bottom goes on in one sheet of ply, immediately squaring up the whole boat.
The other real plus is that as a square boat, a router with rounding over and
laminate trimming bits makes everything go together fast.
I don't like the box seats on either side of the stern. Was going to write
payson about this and the location of the aft frame to make sure my proposed
thwart seat wouldn't compromise anything.
Robert Lundy
St. Petersburg, Fla.
Quoting Ernie Murphy <ernie@...>:
St. Petersburg, Fla.
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Windsprint plans. My plan was to sell the hull of my 15' Aluminum Jonboat,
keeping the trailer and motor, which would just about pay for the Windsprint
and the Workskiff.
I choose workskiff over a Diablo because I think the chine log and nails boats
are, overall, more stable than a multichine. One of the neatest things Phil
did with this design is to make the aft 8' perfectly square. This part of the
bottom goes on in one sheet of ply, immediately squaring up the whole boat.
The other real plus is that as a square boat, a router with rounding over and
laminate trimming bits makes everything go together fast.
I don't like the box seats on either side of the stern. Was going to write
payson about this and the location of the aft frame to make sure my proposed
thwart seat wouldn't compromise anything.
Robert Lundy
St. Petersburg, Fla.
Quoting Ernie Murphy <ernie@...>:
> sean,Robert N. Lundy
>
> Did you think of either of the work skiffs?
>http://www.instantboats.com/skiff15.htmor
>http://www.instantboats.com/skiff18.htm
>
> These look like a grown up version of a Junebug with a slight sponsoon
> shrunk into a shoe. I've always wanted to try the larger skiff if I
> ever give in to a power skiff to go out for stripers. These boats look
> like they would go together dang fast, like a short month working
> weekends only.
>
>
>
>
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Where in Oregon are you living Sean? That's my old stomping grounds,
especially SW, around the Rogue River
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Where in Oregon are you living Sean? That's my old stomping grounds,
especially SW, around the Rogue River
>>sean,David Ryan
>>
>>Did you think of either of the work skiffs?
>
>I did, as well as various other designs (Glen-L Power Skiff 14,
>Mertens-Gossen OB15, CSB FS14, Ken Hankinson's Power-Row Skiff 15,
>etc.), some of which would be easier to build, but I really like the
>Diablo lines, above and below water.
>
>It was both an emotional and a rational decision, and feels right -
>once I think of a name for her (something Northwestern, I think, as
>I'm living in Oregon for a few years temporarily and this boat would
>be a great souvenir) there will be no going back.
>
>
>
>
> Sean Rooney
>sean@...
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>sean,I did, as well as various other designs (Glen-L Power Skiff 14,
>
>Did you think of either of the work skiffs?
Mertens-Gossen OB15, CSB FS14, Ken Hankinson's Power-Row Skiff 15,
etc.), some of which would be easier to build, but I really like the
Diablo lines, above and below water.
It was both an emotional and a rational decision, and feels right -
once I think of a name for her (something Northwestern, I think, as
I'm living in Oregon for a few years temporarily and this boat would
be a great souvenir) there will be no going back.
Sean Rooney
sean@...
sean,
Did you think of either of the work skiffs?
http://www.instantboats.com/skiff15.htmor
http://www.instantboats.com/skiff18.htm
These look like a grown up version of a Junebug with a slight sponsoon
shrunk into a shoe. I've always wanted to try the larger skiff if I
ever give in to a power skiff to go out for stripers. These boats look
like they would go together dang fast, like a short month working
weekends only.
Did you think of either of the work skiffs?
http://www.instantboats.com/skiff15.htmor
http://www.instantboats.com/skiff18.htm
These look like a grown up version of a Junebug with a slight sponsoon
shrunk into a shoe. I've always wanted to try the larger skiff if I
ever give in to a power skiff to go out for stripers. These boats look
like they would go together dang fast, like a short month working
weekends only.
Nice boats, Tim. Your long Diablo has great lines. Did you stretch
the regular Diablo plans (if so, where?), or is it a Diablo Grande?
I'm thinking I'd like something about 16 feet (will then fit in my
garage on a trailer just barely) with a steering console. I was
thinking of stretching Diablo just a little and making up my own
center console to look something like the optional one on the Grande
plans.
sean@...
the regular Diablo plans (if so, where?), or is it a Diablo Grande?
I'm thinking I'd like something about 16 feet (will then fit in my
garage on a trailer just barely) with a steering console. I was
thinking of stretching Diablo just a little and making up my own
center console to look something like the optional one on the Grande
plans.
>Sean Rooney
>I've been very pleased with mine. It's stretched to 18 feet. Fast,
>strong, and incredibly capacious. There's a picture on Bill Samson's
>estimable Chebacco News:http://members.xoom.com/billsamson/ch28.htm
>
>
sean@...
david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1065
strong, and incredibly capacious. There's a picture on Bill Samson's
estimable Chebacco News:http://members.xoom.com/billsamson/ch28.htm
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1065
> >I'm seriously thinking about building a Diablo. Does anyone on theI've been very pleased with mine. It's stretched to 18 feet. Fast,
> >list have experience with this design?
> >
>
> This in another design that has absolutely captured my fancy. I've
> avoided it because once I have the hull, I'll have to go get a motor.
> Stories on constructing/using this design most welcome!
>
> David Ryan
> Minister of Information and Culture
> Crumbling Empire Productions
> (212) 247-0296
strong, and incredibly capacious. There's a picture on Bill Samson's
estimable Chebacco News:http://members.xoom.com/billsamson/ch28.htm
>I'm seriously thinking about building a Diablo. Does anyone on theThis in another design that has absolutely captured my fancy. I've
>list have experience with this design?
>
avoided it because once I have the hull, I'll have to go get a motor.
Stories on constructing/using this design most welcome!
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
I'm seriously thinking about building a Diablo. Does anyone on the
list have experience with this design?
thanks
Sean Rooney
list have experience with this design?
thanks
Sean Rooney