RE: [bolger] Re: Another "Best Boat?
I built our elegant punt from the original Instant Boats, which is still
available from Payson. Good book.
You might look at Chuck Merrell's Apple Pie -- plans are free on his website
or on the Duckworks site. One has been finished here in Victoria, but I
haven't seen it yet.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From:pateson@...[mailto:pateson@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 4:11 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Another "Best Boat?
I build mine from plans in "The Folding Schooner and Other
Adventures in Boat Design." by Philip C. Bolger
Internationl Marine Publishing Company, Camden, Maine.
Another "Must Have Book" for any Bolger fans.
Probably could find it through you're local Library System, but one
you should really buy.
Or you can order plans from "Dynamite" Payson Well worth the cost.
Great little boat,
http://www.instantboats.com/epunt.htm
"Instant Boats" by Harold "Dynamite" Payson
Another "Must Have"
http://www.instantboats.com/ib.htm
http://www.instantboats.com/Payson's home page.
Nice guy too.
Build one. You will not be disappointed.
(If I were you, I would leave off the "Sailing" options,
but that's up to you.)
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
available from Payson. Good book.
You might look at Chuck Merrell's Apple Pie -- plans are free on his website
or on the Duckworks site. One has been finished here in Victoria, but I
haven't seen it yet.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From:pateson@...[mailto:pateson@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 4:11 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Another "Best Boat?
I build mine from plans in "The Folding Schooner and Other
Adventures in Boat Design." by Philip C. Bolger
Internationl Marine Publishing Company, Camden, Maine.
Another "Must Have Book" for any Bolger fans.
Probably could find it through you're local Library System, but one
you should really buy.
Or you can order plans from "Dynamite" Payson Well worth the cost.
Great little boat,
http://www.instantboats.com/epunt.htm
"Instant Boats" by Harold "Dynamite" Payson
Another "Must Have"
http://www.instantboats.com/ib.htm
http://www.instantboats.com/Payson's home page.
Nice guy too.
Build one. You will not be disappointed.
(If I were you, I would leave off the "Sailing" options,
but that's up to you.)
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
--- In bolger@e..., maosborn@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/29/01 8:20:43 AM Central Standard Time,
> dcassidy@t... writes:
>
> << "Whispeering Jesse" >>
> Nice little boat. Where might one obtain plans for the little
sweetheart?
> Mark
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
I build mine from plans in "The Folding Schooner and Other
Adventures in Boat Design." by Philip C. Bolger
Internationl Marine Publishing Company, Camden, Maine.
Another "Must Have Book" for any Bolger fans.
Probably could find it through you're local Library System, but one
you should really buy.
Or you can order plans from "Dynamite" Payson Well worth the cost.
Great little boat,
http://www.instantboats.com/epunt.htm
"Instant Boats" by Harold "Dynamite" Payson
Another "Must Have"
http://www.instantboats.com/ib.htm
http://www.instantboats.com/Payson's home page.
Nice guy too.
Build one. You will not be disappointed.
(If I were you, I would leave off the "Sailing" options,
but that's up to you.)
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
Adventures in Boat Design." by Philip C. Bolger
Internationl Marine Publishing Company, Camden, Maine.
Another "Must Have Book" for any Bolger fans.
Probably could find it through you're local Library System, but one
you should really buy.
Or you can order plans from "Dynamite" Payson Well worth the cost.
Great little boat,
http://www.instantboats.com/epunt.htm
"Instant Boats" by Harold "Dynamite" Payson
Another "Must Have"
http://www.instantboats.com/ib.htm
http://www.instantboats.com/Payson's home page.
Nice guy too.
Build one. You will not be disappointed.
(If I were you, I would leave off the "Sailing" options,
but that's up to you.)
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
--- In bolger@e..., maosborn@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/29/01 8:20:43 AM Central Standard Time,
> dcassidy@t... writes:
>
> << "Whispeering Jesse" >>
> Nice little boat. Where might one obtain plans for the little
sweetheart?
> Mark
Elegant Punt will sail, but dont get your hopes up.
Hull speed of a 7' waterline if pretty slow, but exciting even at
such slow speed, lots of bow wave. With only 3 1/2 feet between
leeboard and rudder, kind of "Twitchy".
After that, just makes a huge hole in the water. This is truly
a displacement hull,(will not plane, except empty and towed behind
fast boat. But even a rock will plane if towed fast enough.) and it
is amazing how much water this 8 foot boat will "displace" when
pushed above hull speed.
"Big" hole in the water.
Use leeboard as described. DO NOT cut hole in bottom for daggerboard.
You will probably not sail it much, as rowing will go as fast, and in
a straight line, especially into the wind. (Doesn't point very high.)
All the additional stuff will cost more than the boat.
I used and old blown out windsailer sail,(cheap) that just happened
to have Cute design on it, with sleave that slips over 2" aluminium
irrigation pipe mast.
Did make "fancy" leeboard. Two pieces of 1/4 ply bent around
1/2 inch spacer and taped and glassed. Kind of made it "foil"
shaped, cool looking, fun to build, but probably about as
inefficient as flat one drawn. As Bolger said "Leeboard, one only,
equaly as Inefficient on either tack." Rudder as drawn. Removable
with SS pintals and gudgons.
My "wishbone" boom made of 3/4 pvc pipe, but I would go with just
straight sprit boom.
All 1/4 inch luan plywood. No "Glass" anywhere, just new coat of Red
paint every couple of years.
Trick to landing on beach is to come in stearn first as fast as you
can. Will put you far enough up on the beach you can just step out.
Nice "Whispeering Jesse". I see you went with for and aft thwart.
Great sitting once you get in and sit down. Great varity of sitting
locations. One, two, or three? people.
See my "Toad" athttp://www.egroups.co.uk/files/bolger/Toad/Toad-
1.jpg (about 19 years ago)
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
Hull speed of a 7' waterline if pretty slow, but exciting even at
such slow speed, lots of bow wave. With only 3 1/2 feet between
leeboard and rudder, kind of "Twitchy".
After that, just makes a huge hole in the water. This is truly
a displacement hull,(will not plane, except empty and towed behind
fast boat. But even a rock will plane if towed fast enough.) and it
is amazing how much water this 8 foot boat will "displace" when
pushed above hull speed.
"Big" hole in the water.
Use leeboard as described. DO NOT cut hole in bottom for daggerboard.
You will probably not sail it much, as rowing will go as fast, and in
a straight line, especially into the wind. (Doesn't point very high.)
All the additional stuff will cost more than the boat.
I used and old blown out windsailer sail,(cheap) that just happened
to have Cute design on it, with sleave that slips over 2" aluminium
irrigation pipe mast.
Did make "fancy" leeboard. Two pieces of 1/4 ply bent around
1/2 inch spacer and taped and glassed. Kind of made it "foil"
shaped, cool looking, fun to build, but probably about as
inefficient as flat one drawn. As Bolger said "Leeboard, one only,
equaly as Inefficient on either tack." Rudder as drawn. Removable
with SS pintals and gudgons.
My "wishbone" boom made of 3/4 pvc pipe, but I would go with just
straight sprit boom.
All 1/4 inch luan plywood. No "Glass" anywhere, just new coat of Red
paint every couple of years.
Trick to landing on beach is to come in stearn first as fast as you
can. Will put you far enough up on the beach you can just step out.
Nice "Whispeering Jesse". I see you went with for and aft thwart.
Great sitting once you get in and sit down. Great varity of sitting
locations. One, two, or three? people.
See my "Toad" athttp://www.egroups.co.uk/files/bolger/Toad/Toad-
1.jpg (about 19 years ago)
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
--- In bolger@e..., David <dcassidy@t...> wrote:
>
> I agree. My Elegant Punt, "Whispeering Jesse"
> (http://www.trailersailor.com/uploads/elegantpunt.jpg) was
easy to put together, is as cute as
> a bug's ear, can take two people fishing or three people around the
anchorage, tows beautifully,
> with a little skeg added it rows nicely (haven't sailed her yet --
this spring) and even with the
> bottom sheathed in fiberglas it didn't cost more than about $250
(epoxy throughout and bronze
> fasteners and hardware, but lumber yard luan and 2x4s for stock and
premium latex house paint
> ...which, after a season 24/7 in the water and a hard winter in the
back yard, still looks like the
> day I launched her).
>
> It took maybe 100 hours of nights and weekends with no one to help
me (except the one time my wife
> provided a little muscle by holding down the skids while I crawled
under the inverted boat and
> screwed them through the bottom). I bet with a couple of people
together, you could build one of
> these beauties in a week, or a couple of weekends.
>
> David
> Lake Champlain, VT
>
>
It's Bolger's Elegant Punt.
Plans are available from Dynamite Payson.
http://www.instantboats.com
David . . .
Lake Champlain . . where we expect up to another foot of wet snow tomorrow, and where we wonder if
we will have to shovel the beach for the Lake Champlain Bolger Boat Messabout at Kingsland Bay,
Vergennes, VT on August 4-5, 2001.
maosborn@...wrote:
Plans are available from Dynamite Payson.
http://www.instantboats.com
David . . .
Lake Champlain . . where we expect up to another foot of wet snow tomorrow, and where we wonder if
we will have to shovel the beach for the Lake Champlain Bolger Boat Messabout at Kingsland Bay,
Vergennes, VT on August 4-5, 2001.
maosborn@...wrote:
> In a message dated 3/29/01 8:20:43 AM Central Standard Time,
>dcassidy@...writes:
>
> << "Whispeering Jesse" >>
> Nice little boat. Where might one obtain plans for the little sweetheart?
> Mark
>
In a message dated 3/29/01 8:20:43 AM Central Standard Time,
dcassidy@...writes:
<< "Whispeering Jesse" >>
Nice little boat. Where might one obtain plans for the little sweetheart?
Mark
dcassidy@...writes:
<< "Whispeering Jesse" >>
Nice little boat. Where might one obtain plans for the little sweetheart?
Mark
I agree. My Elegant Punt, "Whispeering Jesse"
(http://www.trailersailor.com/uploads/elegantpunt.jpg) was easy to put together, is as cute as
a bug's ear, can take two people fishing or three people around the anchorage, tows beautifully,
with a little skeg added it rows nicely (haven't sailed her yet -- this spring) and even with the
bottom sheathed in fiberglas it didn't cost more than about $250 (epoxy throughout and bronze
fasteners and hardware, but lumber yard luan and 2x4s for stock and premium latex house paint
...which, after a season 24/7 in the water and a hard winter in the back yard, still looks like the
day I launched her).
It took maybe 100 hours of nights and weekends with no one to help me (except the one time my wife
provided a little muscle by holding down the skids while I crawled under the inverted boat and
screwed them through the bottom). I bet with a couple of people together, you could build one of
these beauties in a week, or a couple of weekends.
David
Lake Champlain, VT
pateson@...wrote:
(http://www.trailersailor.com/uploads/elegantpunt.jpg) was easy to put together, is as cute as
a bug's ear, can take two people fishing or three people around the anchorage, tows beautifully,
with a little skeg added it rows nicely (haven't sailed her yet -- this spring) and even with the
bottom sheathed in fiberglas it didn't cost more than about $250 (epoxy throughout and bronze
fasteners and hardware, but lumber yard luan and 2x4s for stock and premium latex house paint
...which, after a season 24/7 in the water and a hard winter in the back yard, still looks like the
day I launched her).
It took maybe 100 hours of nights and weekends with no one to help me (except the one time my wife
provided a little muscle by holding down the skids while I crawled under the inverted boat and
screwed them through the bottom). I bet with a couple of people together, you could build one of
these beauties in a week, or a couple of weekends.
David
Lake Champlain, VT
pateson@...wrote:
> What about another best boat?
> No "Contest" this time, but just informational.
>
> "Best 2 - 4 X 8 foot plywood panels boat."
> Quick and dirty OK, but no penalty for those that might want to
> make them "Very nice" as well.
>
> <snip>
>
> My "Toad" Bolger's elegant punt, is my favorite
>http://www.egroups.co.uk/files/bolger/Toad/
> Bolger says he improved on the "Punt" by designing the "Teal"
> (12' double ender)that uses the same "pile of material" and about
> the same labor, but I still prefer the "Toad."
> He says "It asks the question, Why didn't you do it right in the
> first place?"
> I, personally, think he did do it it right the first time
> with the "Punt".
> "Teal" won't fit in the back of a pickup, can't be just rowed up on
> the beach (stearn first), and step out, and requires some sort of
> joints in the 8' plywood.
>
> Any other ideas?. "2 sheet boats." Bolger or not.
>
> Let's get some boats built, and not have to spend half our lives, go
> to the "Poor house" and get them the water and used.
>
> The "Best Boat" is the one that get used.
>
> What you got?
>
> More fun
>
> Pat Patteson
> Molalla, Oregon
What about another best boat?
No "Contest" this time, but just informational.
"Best 2 - 4 X 8 foot plywood panels boat."
Quick and dirty OK, but no penalty for those that might want to
make them "Very nice" as well.
Maybe just suggestions for some of us who would like to be able to
afford the time and money to build and use a boat.
"Some Kind Of Boat" without a lot of expence, and without a
lot of time involved.
No 3 years into 10 year project into building the "Ultimate Forever
Cruiser"
Knew some of those folk once that worked almost 10 years on a
Colombia 50. Lived in a "hovel" to be able afford the boat.
Finally got it build in the woods, had it lifted onto trailer
with a huge crane, then trucked to be launched, only to run it aground
on the first cruise, and then have it lost in a storm a couple of
years later.
Boats are more a state of mind, than an object, and I can remember
Dennis Connor and Ted Turner say that they had as much fun
racing "El-toros" as they did in "America's Cup" boats.
It's not the boat, but the "Just Messing Around In Boats" that is
what it's about. See if we can come up with some easy to build,
inexpensive small boats that can be built in a week or so, and still
be a lot of fun. Pros and cons on some that you have built.
I would rather see 20, 8" foot boats being enjoyed in the water than
one "Ticonderoga" in a slip that is never used.
My "Toad" Bolger's elegant punt, is my favorite
http://www.egroups.co.uk/files/bolger/Toad/
Bolger says he improved on the "Punt" by designing the "Teal"
(12' double ender)that uses the same "pile of material" and about
the same labor, but I still prefer the "Toad."
He says "It asks the question, Why didn't you do it right in the
first place?"
I, personally, think he did do it it right the first time
with the "Punt".
"Teal" won't fit in the back of a pickup, can't be just rowed up on
the beach (stearn first), and step out, and requires some sort of
joints in the 8' plywood.
Any other ideas?. "2 sheet boats." Bolger or not.
Let's get some boats built, and not have to spend half our lives, go
to the "Poor house" and get them the water and used.
The "Best Boat" is the one that get used.
What you got?
More fun
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
No "Contest" this time, but just informational.
"Best 2 - 4 X 8 foot plywood panels boat."
Quick and dirty OK, but no penalty for those that might want to
make them "Very nice" as well.
Maybe just suggestions for some of us who would like to be able to
afford the time and money to build and use a boat.
"Some Kind Of Boat" without a lot of expence, and without a
lot of time involved.
No 3 years into 10 year project into building the "Ultimate Forever
Cruiser"
Knew some of those folk once that worked almost 10 years on a
Colombia 50. Lived in a "hovel" to be able afford the boat.
Finally got it build in the woods, had it lifted onto trailer
with a huge crane, then trucked to be launched, only to run it aground
on the first cruise, and then have it lost in a storm a couple of
years later.
Boats are more a state of mind, than an object, and I can remember
Dennis Connor and Ted Turner say that they had as much fun
racing "El-toros" as they did in "America's Cup" boats.
It's not the boat, but the "Just Messing Around In Boats" that is
what it's about. See if we can come up with some easy to build,
inexpensive small boats that can be built in a week or so, and still
be a lot of fun. Pros and cons on some that you have built.
I would rather see 20, 8" foot boats being enjoyed in the water than
one "Ticonderoga" in a slip that is never used.
My "Toad" Bolger's elegant punt, is my favorite
http://www.egroups.co.uk/files/bolger/Toad/
Bolger says he improved on the "Punt" by designing the "Teal"
(12' double ender)that uses the same "pile of material" and about
the same labor, but I still prefer the "Toad."
He says "It asks the question, Why didn't you do it right in the
first place?"
I, personally, think he did do it it right the first time
with the "Punt".
"Teal" won't fit in the back of a pickup, can't be just rowed up on
the beach (stearn first), and step out, and requires some sort of
joints in the 8' plywood.
Any other ideas?. "2 sheet boats." Bolger or not.
Let's get some boats built, and not have to spend half our lives, go
to the "Poor house" and get them the water and used.
The "Best Boat" is the one that get used.
What you got?
More fun
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon