RE: [bolger] Re: Best Small Sailboat
At the risk of repeating myself in the thread. I
have a set of Dave's plans....they are the best plan dollar value I've
seen.
Jim C.
-----Original Message-----
From:James Fuller [mailto:james@...]
Sent:Monday, April 02, 2001 7:37 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Best Small SailboatHi,I took the liberty of copying the following from Dave Carnell's web page. I am certain that he would not mind."Jimmy Piverwrote me after building his that I should be promoting it as a high-performance boat, not a cheap one. He described his boat going to windward in the crowded anchorage of Taylor's Creek, Beaufort, NC, against the tide with a crew weight of 640 pounds as truly outstanding sailing.
Greg Rinaca, POB 687, Coldspring, TX 77331, 409-653-2133, built one of the boats and says: "If you have any customers for your $200 SAILBOAT who would like to talk to someone that has already built one, feel free to give my phone number, address, or e-mail address; I would be glad to talk to them. I think your plans, instructions, advice for tools, suppliers, etc. is top notch and the boat is easy to build with them.""
Mr Rinaca told me that he had done 6 knots in his boat, using his GPS for tracking speed.
Also, the plan set is more than complete. It has lots of full size drawings, and has enough written instructions to allow an absolute beginner to build it. He also includes info on tools, wood, epoxy, paint, etc. As a beginnert this, I would absolutely reccomend the plans for the featherwind ($200.) boat. They are worth the $20 price for the info they contain, even if you never build the boat.
Having said all that, My experience consists of 1-7/8 boats built so my advice is probably worth what you pay for it.
James Fuller
----- Original Message -----From:Ray WorobSent:Monday, April 02, 2001 4:24 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Best Small SailboatThanks for all the suggestions I have received so far. As a new member,
this site is really great.
Although I didn't mention it initially, I intend to use the best small
sailboat almost primarily as a "singlehanded" daysailor. Thats why I wanted
the fastest one of the Bolger 12' to 16' sailboats to either keep up with or
maybe even pass some of the other sunfish and laser sailboats on the lakes
and reservoirs in my area. Actually I have a 17' Siren sailboat which I use
for family and friends, camping etc., so the Bolger sailboat isn't needed
for that purpose. I also have a plastic kayak for paddeling around the same
areas.
Although I initially wanted a cartopper with kick up rudder and centerboard,
I can live with a trailer and daggerboard if the boat I build is a fast
daysailor. Another reason I went with the Bolger boats is because they
appear to be "sit in" type sailboats for when the wind dies and I want to
prop up a flotation seat, lay back and relax. Something you can't do so
easy with a sunfish or laser. I fish once in a while, but that is not a
priority either. I also intend to deck over the front and back of the boat
for flotation and maybe some small storage.
Any more suggestions for the fastest 12' to 16' sailboat among Teal,
Windsprint, June Bug, Gypsy, Perfect Boat, Featherwind etc. are still
wecome. Thanks again for all the responses so far.
Ray
>From: "Jack E. Bearden" <jalo@...>
>Reply-To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
>To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Best Small Sailboat
>Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:38:46 +0000
>
>Having only built June Bug and Gypsy so far, they are the only two that I
>can trully and lovingly endorce. I've been at very close quarters with
>multiple Wind Sprints and Light Schooners and admire them greatly. As I've
>previously posted, Phil Lea left the whole pack of the latter in the wake
>of
>his Jung Bug at the 2000 Mahone Bay Wooden Boat Festival races last summer.
>
>For a boat I can load to the hilt with camping gear for two for a five day
>trip and feel snug and secure about getting to my campsite dry and cheerful
>in 15 knots of wind, June Bug is the champ. She's great to fish from, row,
>and use as a platform to swim from in the middle of a lake. You can drop
>her
>vertically from a high dock, cliff, or van roof. She planes like a surf
>board on a dead run. Her faults: she pounds alarmingly when close hauled in
>a rough chop at 12 knots or better. I've managed to break the leaboard
>slot
>twice, sheer off my leaboard and rudder once , and am on my third mast in
>two years. This last item is not the boat's fault. Probably none of these
>are her fault, but pivoting rudder like Gypsy's would be an improvement all
>round. I don't think I'd go to the trouble to try to invent a kick up
>leaboard, though I think someone probably has. I think if the slot and
>board
>are made strong enough they'll survive a grounding or the occasional rock.
>Fetching up on rock while sailing in relatively high wind can be
>terrifying,
>but June Bug will generally come through the crisis in her typically
>assuring and forgiving way.
>
>For pure poetry and grace under sail, Gypsy is my love. While June Bug
>pounds, Gypsy giggles. Skipper and crew feel like they are both "really"
>sailing when underway. The crew becomes a very artful and lively live
>ballast. She points markedly higher than June Bug. I THINK she's pretty
>fast, but I haven't really tested her against any competition yet. I plan
>to
>pit her against the Wind Sprints and LS's at the Festival races this
>summer.
>Her faults: she tends to yaw on a dead run. Despite her larger size, she
>will carry only half the weight of June Bug. She can't be dropped into the
>water near as handily as June Bug. She requires way more care boarding than
>JB. A split second of daydreaming at the tiller can result in a boat load
>of
>water. She's not as easy to build as JB, though not that much harder.
>
>I'm sure you'll get wide and varied endorcements from folks on the list.
>Bottom line is you can't really go wrong. If you do a half decent job
>you'll
>love whatever you build. But trust me, you're not likely to be content to
>stop with one. I've only just begun.
>
>jeb, getting misty eyed on the once again snowing shores of Fundy
>
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Hi,
I took the liberty of copying the following from
Dave Carnell's web page. I am certain that he would not mind.
"Jimmy Piverwrote me after building his that I should be promoting it as a high-performance boat, not a cheap one. He described his boat going to windward in the crowded anchorage of Taylor's Creek, Beaufort, NC, against the tide with a crew weight of 640 pounds as truly outstanding sailing.
Greg Rinaca, POB 687, Coldspring, TX 77331, 409-653-2133, built one of the boats and says: "If you have any customers for your $200 SAILBOAT who would like to talk to someone that has already built one, feel free to give my phone number, address, or e-mail address; I would be glad to talk to them. I think your plans, instructions, advice for tools, suppliers, etc. is top notch and the boat is easy to build with them.""
Mr Rinaca told me that he had done 6 knots in his boat, using his GPS for tracking speed.
Also, the plan set is more than complete. It has lots of full size drawings, and has enough written instructions to allow an absolute beginner to build it. He also includes info on tools, wood, epoxy, paint, etc. As a beginnert this, I would absolutely reccomend the plans for the featherwind ($200.) boat. They are worth the $20 price for the info they contain, even if you never build the boat.
Having said all that, My experience consists of 1-7/8 boats built so my advice is probably worth what you pay for it.
James Fuller
----- Original Message -----From:Ray WorobSent:Monday, April 02, 2001 4:24 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Best Small SailboatThanks for all the suggestions I have received so far. As a new member,
this site is really great.
Although I didn't mention it initially, I intend to use the best small
sailboat almost primarily as a "singlehanded" daysailor. Thats why I wanted
the fastest one of the Bolger 12' to 16' sailboats to either keep up with or
maybe even pass some of the other sunfish and laser sailboats on the lakes
and reservoirs in my area. Actually I have a 17' Siren sailboat which I use
for family and friends, camping etc., so the Bolger sailboat isn't needed
for that purpose. I also have a plastic kayak for paddeling around the same
areas.
Although I initially wanted a cartopper with kick up rudder and centerboard,
I can live with a trailer and daggerboard if the boat I build is a fast
daysailor. Another reason I went with the Bolger boats is because they
appear to be "sit in" type sailboats for when the wind dies and I want to
prop up a flotation seat, lay back and relax. Something you can't do so
easy with a sunfish or laser. I fish once in a while, but that is not a
priority either. I also intend to deck over the front and back of the boat
for flotation and maybe some small storage.
Any more suggestions for the fastest 12' to 16' sailboat among Teal,
Windsprint, June Bug, Gypsy, Perfect Boat, Featherwind etc. are still
wecome. Thanks again for all the responses so far.
Ray
>From: "Jack E. Bearden" <jalo@...>
>Reply-To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
>To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Best Small Sailboat
>Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:38:46 +0000
>
>Having only built June Bug and Gypsy so far, they are the only two that I
>can trully and lovingly endorce. I've been at very close quarters with
>multiple Wind Sprints and Light Schooners and admire them greatly. As I've
>previously posted, Phil Lea left the whole pack of the latter in the wake
>of
>his Jung Bug at the 2000 Mahone Bay Wooden Boat Festival races last summer.
>
>For a boat I can load to the hilt with camping gear for two for a five day
>trip and feel snug and secure about getting to my campsite dry and cheerful
>in 15 knots of wind, June Bug is the champ. She's great to fish from, row,
>and use as a platform to swim from in the middle of a lake. You can drop
>her
>vertically from a high dock, cliff, or van roof. She planes like a surf
>board on a dead run. Her faults: she pounds alarmingly when close hauled in
>a rough chop at 12 knots or better. I've managed to break the leaboard
>slot
>twice, sheer off my leaboard and rudder once , and am on my third mast in
>two years. This last item is not the boat's fault. Probably none of these
>are her fault, but pivoting rudder like Gypsy's would be an improvement all
>round. I don't think I'd go to the trouble to try to invent a kick up
>leaboard, though I think someone probably has. I think if the slot and
>board
>are made strong enough they'll survive a grounding or the occasional rock.
>Fetching up on rock while sailing in relatively high wind can be
>terrifying,
>but June Bug will generally come through the crisis in her typically
>assuring and forgiving way.
>
>For pure poetry and grace under sail, Gypsy is my love. While June Bug
>pounds, Gypsy giggles. Skipper and crew feel like they are both "really"
>sailing when underway. The crew becomes a very artful and lively live
>ballast. She points markedly higher than June Bug. I THINK she's pretty
>fast, but I haven't really tested her against any competition yet. I plan
>to
>pit her against the Wind Sprints and LS's at the Festival races this
>summer.
>Her faults: she tends to yaw on a dead run. Despite her larger size, she
>will carry only half the weight of June Bug. She can't be dropped into the
>water near as handily as June Bug. She requires way more care boarding than
>JB. A split second of daydreaming at the tiller can result in a boat load
>of
>water. She's not as easy to build as JB, though not that much harder.
>
>I'm sure you'll get wide and varied endorcements from folks on the list.
>Bottom line is you can't really go wrong. If you do a half decent job
>you'll
>love whatever you build. But trust me, you're not likely to be content to
>stop with one. I've only just begun.
>
>jeb, getting misty eyed on the once again snowing shores of Fundy
>
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Thanks for all the suggestions I have received so far. As a new member,
this site is really great.
Although I didn't mention it initially, I intend to use the best small
sailboat almost primarily as a "singlehanded" daysailor. Thats why I wanted
the fastest one of the Bolger 12' to 16' sailboats to either keep up with or
maybe even pass some of the other sunfish and laser sailboats on the lakes
and reservoirs in my area. Actually I have a 17' Siren sailboat which I use
for family and friends, camping etc., so the Bolger sailboat isn't needed
for that purpose. I also have a plastic kayak for paddeling around the same
areas.
Although I initially wanted a cartopper with kick up rudder and centerboard,
I can live with a trailer and daggerboard if the boat I build is a fast
daysailor. Another reason I went with the Bolger boats is because they
appear to be "sit in" type sailboats for when the wind dies and I want to
prop up a flotation seat, lay back and relax. Something you can't do so
easy with a sunfish or laser. I fish once in a while, but that is not a
priority either. I also intend to deck over the front and back of the boat
for flotation and maybe some small storage.
Any more suggestions for the fastest 12' to 16' sailboat among Teal,
Windsprint, June Bug, Gypsy, Perfect Boat, Featherwind etc. are still
wecome. Thanks again for all the responses so far.
Ray
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer athttp://explorer.msn.com
this site is really great.
Although I didn't mention it initially, I intend to use the best small
sailboat almost primarily as a "singlehanded" daysailor. Thats why I wanted
the fastest one of the Bolger 12' to 16' sailboats to either keep up with or
maybe even pass some of the other sunfish and laser sailboats on the lakes
and reservoirs in my area. Actually I have a 17' Siren sailboat which I use
for family and friends, camping etc., so the Bolger sailboat isn't needed
for that purpose. I also have a plastic kayak for paddeling around the same
areas.
Although I initially wanted a cartopper with kick up rudder and centerboard,
I can live with a trailer and daggerboard if the boat I build is a fast
daysailor. Another reason I went with the Bolger boats is because they
appear to be "sit in" type sailboats for when the wind dies and I want to
prop up a flotation seat, lay back and relax. Something you can't do so
easy with a sunfish or laser. I fish once in a while, but that is not a
priority either. I also intend to deck over the front and back of the boat
for flotation and maybe some small storage.
Any more suggestions for the fastest 12' to 16' sailboat among Teal,
Windsprint, June Bug, Gypsy, Perfect Boat, Featherwind etc. are still
wecome. Thanks again for all the responses so far.
Ray
>From: "Jack E. Bearden" <jalo@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Best Small Sailboat
>Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:38:46 +0000
>
>Having only built June Bug and Gypsy so far, they are the only two that I
>can trully and lovingly endorce. I've been at very close quarters with
>multiple Wind Sprints and Light Schooners and admire them greatly. As I've
>previously posted, Phil Lea left the whole pack of the latter in the wake
>of
>his Jung Bug at the 2000 Mahone Bay Wooden Boat Festival races last summer.
>
>For a boat I can load to the hilt with camping gear for two for a five day
>trip and feel snug and secure about getting to my campsite dry and cheerful
>in 15 knots of wind, June Bug is the champ. She's great to fish from, row,
>and use as a platform to swim from in the middle of a lake. You can drop
>her
>vertically from a high dock, cliff, or van roof. She planes like a surf
>board on a dead run. Her faults: she pounds alarmingly when close hauled in
>a rough chop at 12 knots or better. I've managed to break the leaboard
>slot
>twice, sheer off my leaboard and rudder once , and am on my third mast in
>two years. This last item is not the boat's fault. Probably none of these
>are her fault, but pivoting rudder like Gypsy's would be an improvement all
>round. I don't think I'd go to the trouble to try to invent a kick up
>leaboard, though I think someone probably has. I think if the slot and
>board
>are made strong enough they'll survive a grounding or the occasional rock.
>Fetching up on rock while sailing in relatively high wind can be
>terrifying,
>but June Bug will generally come through the crisis in her typically
>assuring and forgiving way.
>
>For pure poetry and grace under sail, Gypsy is my love. While June Bug
>pounds, Gypsy giggles. Skipper and crew feel like they are both "really"
>sailing when underway. The crew becomes a very artful and lively live
>ballast. She points markedly higher than June Bug. I THINK she's pretty
>fast, but I haven't really tested her against any competition yet. I plan
>to
>pit her against the Wind Sprints and LS's at the Festival races this
>summer.
>Her faults: she tends to yaw on a dead run. Despite her larger size, she
>will carry only half the weight of June Bug. She can't be dropped into the
>water near as handily as June Bug. She requires way more care boarding than
>JB. A split second of daydreaming at the tiller can result in a boat load
>of
>water. She's not as easy to build as JB, though not that much harder.
>
>I'm sure you'll get wide and varied endorcements from folks on the list.
>Bottom line is you can't really go wrong. If you do a half decent job
>you'll
>love whatever you build. But trust me, you're not likely to be content to
>stop with one. I've only just begun.
>
>jeb, getting misty eyed on the once again snowing shores of Fundy
>
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Having only built June Bug and Gypsy so far, they are the only two that I
can trully and lovingly endorce. I've been at very close quarters with
multiple Wind Sprints and Light Schooners and admire them greatly. As I've
previously posted, Phil Lea left the whole pack of the latter in the wake of
his Jung Bug at the 2000 Mahone Bay Wooden Boat Festival races last summer.
For a boat I can load to the hilt with camping gear for two for a five day
trip and feel snug and secure about getting to my campsite dry and cheerful
in 15 knots of wind, June Bug is the champ. She's great to fish from, row,
and use as a platform to swim from in the middle of a lake. You can drop her
vertically from a high dock, cliff, or van roof. She planes like a surf
board on a dead run. Her faults: she pounds alarmingly when close hauled in
a rough chop at 12 knots or better. I've managed to break the leaboard slot
twice, sheer off my leaboard and rudder once , and am on my third mast in
two years. This last item is not the boat's fault. Probably none of these
are her fault, but pivoting rudder like Gypsy's would be an improvement all
round. I don't think I'd go to the trouble to try to invent a kick up
leaboard, though I think someone probably has. I think if the slot and board
are made strong enough they'll survive a grounding or the occasional rock.
Fetching up on rock while sailing in relatively high wind can be terrifying,
but June Bug will generally come through the crisis in her typically
assuring and forgiving way.
For pure poetry and grace under sail, Gypsy is my love. While June Bug
pounds, Gypsy giggles. Skipper and crew feel like they are both "really"
sailing when underway. The crew becomes a very artful and lively live
ballast. She points markedly higher than June Bug. I THINK she's pretty
fast, but I haven't really tested her against any competition yet. I plan to
pit her against the Wind Sprints and LS's at the Festival races this summer.
Her faults: she tends to yaw on a dead run. Despite her larger size, she
will carry only half the weight of June Bug. She can't be dropped into the
water near as handily as June Bug. She requires way more care boarding than
JB. A split second of daydreaming at the tiller can result in a boat load of
water. She's not as easy to build as JB, though not that much harder.
I'm sure you'll get wide and varied endorcements from folks on the list.
Bottom line is you can't really go wrong. If you do a half decent job you'll
love whatever you build. But trust me, you're not likely to be content to
stop with one. I've only just begun.
jeb, getting misty eyed on the once again snowing shores of Fundy
can trully and lovingly endorce. I've been at very close quarters with
multiple Wind Sprints and Light Schooners and admire them greatly. As I've
previously posted, Phil Lea left the whole pack of the latter in the wake of
his Jung Bug at the 2000 Mahone Bay Wooden Boat Festival races last summer.
For a boat I can load to the hilt with camping gear for two for a five day
trip and feel snug and secure about getting to my campsite dry and cheerful
in 15 knots of wind, June Bug is the champ. She's great to fish from, row,
and use as a platform to swim from in the middle of a lake. You can drop her
vertically from a high dock, cliff, or van roof. She planes like a surf
board on a dead run. Her faults: she pounds alarmingly when close hauled in
a rough chop at 12 knots or better. I've managed to break the leaboard slot
twice, sheer off my leaboard and rudder once , and am on my third mast in
two years. This last item is not the boat's fault. Probably none of these
are her fault, but pivoting rudder like Gypsy's would be an improvement all
round. I don't think I'd go to the trouble to try to invent a kick up
leaboard, though I think someone probably has. I think if the slot and board
are made strong enough they'll survive a grounding or the occasional rock.
Fetching up on rock while sailing in relatively high wind can be terrifying,
but June Bug will generally come through the crisis in her typically
assuring and forgiving way.
For pure poetry and grace under sail, Gypsy is my love. While June Bug
pounds, Gypsy giggles. Skipper and crew feel like they are both "really"
sailing when underway. The crew becomes a very artful and lively live
ballast. She points markedly higher than June Bug. I THINK she's pretty
fast, but I haven't really tested her against any competition yet. I plan to
pit her against the Wind Sprints and LS's at the Festival races this summer.
Her faults: she tends to yaw on a dead run. Despite her larger size, she
will carry only half the weight of June Bug. She can't be dropped into the
water near as handily as June Bug. She requires way more care boarding than
JB. A split second of daydreaming at the tiller can result in a boat load of
water. She's not as easy to build as JB, though not that much harder.
I'm sure you'll get wide and varied endorcements from folks on the list.
Bottom line is you can't really go wrong. If you do a half decent job you'll
love whatever you build. But trust me, you're not likely to be content to
stop with one. I've only just begun.
jeb, getting misty eyed on the once again snowing shores of Fundy
You probably have other requirements besides speed. Otherwise, you
probably ought to build a sailboard. Or, even faster, one of those
giant kite/surfboard combinations! Or, even easier to build, giant
kite and waterskis. (You can even go upwind with these, according to
what I've heard.)
probably ought to build a sailboard. Or, even faster, one of those
giant kite/surfboard combinations! Or, even easier to build, giant
kite and waterskis. (You can even go upwind with these, according to
what I've heard.)
--- In bolger@y..., "Ray" <rworob@h...> wrote:
> I am trying to decide which sailboat to build. I would very much
> appreciate knowing from everyones experience out there which is the
> fastest and best overall performance sailboat in the 12' to 16'
> range. Considering such boats as Teal, Windsprint, Featherwind,
> Perfect Boat, Pirate Boat, Gypsy, June Bug, etc. Thanks. Ray
As promised, Bolger content.
I don't know about what's best. There's no right answer to that question.
I built a Windsprint and liked it very much. It is easy to build, has ample
capacity for two adults, and sails really well. Of all the boats you have
listed, it probably has the highest performance of the bunch.
A better question is what do you want the boat to do? Think about things
like the waters you sail in, where you plan to keep it, how you plan to
transport it, who you want to take with you, how much time you want to spend
building it, etc. If for example you want a cartop boat, Windsprint is
probably not the best choice for you.
Best,
JB
I don't know about what's best. There's no right answer to that question.
I built a Windsprint and liked it very much. It is easy to build, has ample
capacity for two adults, and sails really well. Of all the boats you have
listed, it probably has the highest performance of the bunch.
A better question is what do you want the boat to do? Think about things
like the waters you sail in, where you plan to keep it, how you plan to
transport it, who you want to take with you, how much time you want to spend
building it, etc. If for example you want a cartop boat, Windsprint is
probably not the best choice for you.
Best,
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray" <rworob@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:29 PM
Subject: [bolger] Best Small Sailboat
| I am trying to decide which sailboat to build. I would very much
| appreciate knowing from everyones experience out there which is the
| fastest and best overall performance sailboat in the 12' to 16'
| range. Considering such boats as Teal, Windsprint, Featherwind,
| Perfect Boat, Pirate Boat, Gypsy, June Bug, etc. Thanks. Ray
|
|
Ray,
At the risk of opening up a real can of nautical worms (numerous opinions)
check out Dave Carnell's modification of the Featherwind. He and a couple
of builders he references just love it. I bought a set of Dave's plans and
they are fantastic. He originally called it the $200 sailboat.
http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/sailboat.html
Jim C
At the risk of opening up a real can of nautical worms (numerous opinions)
check out Dave Carnell's modification of the Featherwind. He and a couple
of builders he references just love it. I bought a set of Dave's plans and
they are fantastic. He originally called it the $200 sailboat.
http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/sailboat.html
Jim C
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray [mailto:rworob@...]
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:29 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Best Small Sailboat
>
>
> I am trying to decide which sailboat to build. I would very much
> appreciate knowing from everyones experience out there which is the
> fastest and best overall performance sailboat in the 12' to 16'
> range. Considering such boats as Teal, Windsprint, Featherwind,
> Perfect Boat, Pirate Boat, Gypsy, June Bug, etc. Thanks. Ray
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
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In a message dated 03/31/2001 1:<BR30:<BR44 PM
Eastern Standard ,rworob@...writes:
Ray,
fastest might not be difficult (I'd guess Gypsy, but the Windsprint folks
might differ :-). However, "performance" is a word that does not have a
single meaning. For me, in this size range, performance means carrying two
grown men and all thier gear for a couple of days. Windsprint and Pirate
Racer are the highest performance boats for me in that group. Others would
have performance mean the cheapest rig, or hull. For others, performance is
the ability to get it on the top of their Accord :-)
Actually, I'm just funnin' you, as I expect from the context you are "racer
oriented". I'm interested to se where this thread goes and how much benefit
the group can add to your selection process. I expect this to be a hot thread
:-)
Cheers/Carron
Eastern Standard ,rworob@...writes:
> which is the fastest and best overall performance sailboat in the 12' to16' range.
Ray,
fastest might not be difficult (I'd guess Gypsy, but the Windsprint folks
might differ :-). However, "performance" is a word that does not have a
single meaning. For me, in this size range, performance means carrying two
grown men and all thier gear for a couple of days. Windsprint and Pirate
Racer are the highest performance boats for me in that group. Others would
have performance mean the cheapest rig, or hull. For others, performance is
the ability to get it on the top of their Accord :-)
Actually, I'm just funnin' you, as I expect from the context you are "racer
oriented". I'm interested to se where this thread goes and how much benefit
the group can add to your selection process. I expect this to be a hot thread
:-)
Cheers/Carron
I am trying to decide which sailboat to build. I would very much
appreciate knowing from everyones experience out there which is the
fastest and best overall performance sailboat in the 12' to 16'
range. Considering such boats as Teal, Windsprint, Featherwind,
Perfect Boat, Pirate Boat, Gypsy, June Bug, etc. Thanks. Ray
appreciate knowing from everyones experience out there which is the
fastest and best overall performance sailboat in the 12' to 16'
range. Considering such boats as Teal, Windsprint, Featherwind,
Perfect Boat, Pirate Boat, Gypsy, June Bug, etc. Thanks. Ray