re: Trailer boat- SUPPER BRICK
> Still think GP-16 a great boat, but have heard from a few mailsSomething you could do is have wheels that rotate down, possibly
> that some of the constructions could have been less complicated.
> But going to build one when I can. Maybe GP-18 with a little
> more "Cabin" room.
> Might take some liberties with construction, but only after
> consulting with Jim. After all, he put a lot of time into trying
> to get this thing "Right", and who an I to try to "Improve" on
> his design. My few attempts at "Improving" have usually lead to
> unintended, and unthoughtout mistakes.
>
> Brick looks best for my 3 sheet boat, but "Toad", "Elegant Punt"
> still the best for my money and for 2 sheet boat.
>
> Anybody heard of plans, or built real "SUPER BRICK"
> Twice, really 8 times as big. Same Basic design but 16' long and
> 8' wide, with maybe some truncation of bottom to make it not quite
> as deep.
> Would be a real load carrier.
> Thinking of one with possibly of just dropping an old Pickup camper
> in/on it. Extra room used for storage, and or flotation.
> Of course would have to have "ramp" in front, or build it with wheels
> and axle attached, with removable trailer tongue.
>
> Clearance might be a problem, but with rocker of bottom would take
> care of most of the potential "scrapes"
> No trailer, just launch the whole darn thing. Maybe use 16 or 17
> wheels to keep the bearing out of the water most of the time, but with
> "Bearing Buddies" to keep out what water might get to them.
> Have seen such trailers used on "Booths" used by venders at
> "Craft Markets" Trailer tongue attached by 3 2' trailer "receivers"
> Pull three pins and tongue and A frame supports just slides right out.
> No trailer, just boat.
> What's wrong with that? I haven't quite thought out all the
> design, but seem possible.
> Where are the "Flaws" in my thinking?
> Tell me all the things I forgot to think about.
> There must be something wrong with it, or there would be a lot of them
> already out there.
something like this:
http://www.happyidea.com/launchwheels.html
Or possibly just a bunch of wheels on boards that attach to the
underside.
Best site about wheeled boats I know of is:
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Amphib/Amphib_boats.htm
Trailer would be easier though.
David Routh
Shorty@...
http://www.shortypen.com/boats/brick/cartop/index.htm
> If it works, I declare the patent on it. ;-)
>
> Aren't you glad I came back? I can come up with some unusual,
> and maybe even some workable ideas.
> Strange is not necesarily bad.
>
> May this group have peace, and new ideas.
>
> Pat Patteson
> Molalla, Oregon
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:15:54 -0700
> From: "Jim Chamberlin RCSIS" <jchamberlin@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: Best Small Sailboat
>
> At the risk of repeating myself in the thread. I have a set of Dave's
> plans....they are the best plan dollar value I've seen.
>
> Jim C.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Fuller [mailto:james@...]
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:37 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Best Small Sailboat
>
> Hi,
>
> I took the liberty of copying the following from Dave Carnell's web page.
> I am certain that he would not mind.
>
> "Jimmy Piver wrote me after building his that I should be promoting it as
> a high-performance boat, not a cheap one. He described his boat going to
> windward in the crowded anchorage of Taylor's Creek, Beaufort, NC, against
> the tide with a crew weight of 640 pounds as truly outstanding sailing.
>
> Greg Rinaca, POB 687, Coldspring, TX 77331, 409-653-2133, built one of the
> boats and says: "If you have any customers for your $200 SAILBOAT who would
> like to talk to someone that has already built one, feel free to give my
> phone number, address, or e-mail address; I would be glad to talk to them. I
> think your plans, instructions, advice for tools, suppliers, etc. is top
> notch and the boat is easy to build with them.""
>
> Mr Rinaca told me that he had done 6 knots in his boat, using his GPS for
> tracking speed.
>
> Also, the plan set is more than complete. It has lots of full size
> drawings, and has enough written instructions to allow an absolute beginner
> to build it. He also includes info on tools, wood, epoxy, paint, etc. As
> a beginner t this, I would absolutely reccomend the plans for the
> featherwind ($200.) boat. They are worth the $20 price for the info they
> contain, even if you never build the boat.
>
> Having said all that, My experience consists of 1-7/8 boats built so my
> advice is probably worth what you pay for it.
>
> James Fuller
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ray Worob
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Best Small Sailboat
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions I have received so far. As a new member,
> this site is really great.
>
> Although I didn't mention it initially, I intend to use the best small
> sailboat almost primarily as a "singlehanded" daysailor. Thats why I
> wanted
> the fastest one of the Bolger 12' to 16' sailboats to either keep up
> with or
> maybe even pass some of the other sunfish and laser sailboats on the
> lakes
> and reservoirs in my area. Actually I have a 17' Siren sailboat which I
> use
> for family and friends, camping etc., so the Bolger sailboat isn't
> needed
> for that purpose. I also have a plastic kayak for paddeling around the
> same
> areas.
>
> Although I initially wanted a cartopper with kick up rudder and
> centerboard,
> I can live with a trailer and daggerboard if the boat I build is a fast
> daysailor. Another reason I went with the Bolger boats is because they
> appear to be "sit in" type sailboats for when the wind dies and I want
> to
> prop up a flotation seat, lay back and relax. Something you can't do so
> easy with a sunfish or laser. I fish once in a while, but that is not a
> priority either. I also intend to deck over the front and back of the
> boat
> for flotation and maybe some small storage.
>
> Any more suggestions for the fastest 12' to 16' sailboat among Teal,
> Windsprint, June Bug, Gypsy, Perfect Boat, Featherwind etc. are still
> wecome. Thanks again for all the responses so far.
>
> Ray
>
> >From: "Jack E. Bearden" <jalo@...>
> >Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [bolger] Re: Best Small Sailboat
> >Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:38:46 +0000
> >
> >Having only built June Bug and Gypsy so far, they are the only two that
> I
> >can trully and lovingly endorce. I've been at very close quarters with
> >multiple Wind Sprints and Light Schooners and admire them greatly. As
> I've
> >previously posted, Phil Lea left the whole pack of the latter in the
> wake
> >of
> >his Jung Bug at the 2000 Mahone Bay Wooden Boat Festival races last
> summer.
> >
> >For a boat I can load to the hilt with camping gear for two for a five
> day
> >trip and feel snug and secure about getting to my campsite dry and
> cheerful
> >in 15 knots of wind, June Bug is the champ. She's great to fish from,
> row,
> >and use as a platform to swim from in the middle of a lake. You can
> drop
> >her
> >vertically from a high dock, cliff, or van roof. She planes like a surf
> >board on a dead run. Her faults: she pounds alarmingly when close
> hauled in
> >a rough chop at 12 knots or better. I've managed to break the leaboard
> >slot
> >twice, sheer off my leaboard and rudder once , and am on my third mast
> in
> >two years. This last item is not the boat's fault. Probably none of
> these
> >are her fault, but pivoting rudder like Gypsy's would be an improvement
> all
> >round. I don't think I'd go to the trouble to try to invent a kick up
> >leaboard, though I think someone probably has. I think if the slot and
> >board
> >are made strong enough they'll survive a grounding or the occasional
> rock.
> >Fetching up on rock while sailing in relatively high wind can be
> >terrifying,
> >but June Bug will generally come through the crisis in her typically
> >assuring and forgiving way.
> >
> >For pure poetry and grace under sail, Gypsy is my love. While June Bug
> >pounds, Gypsy giggles. Skipper and crew feel like they are both
> "really"
> >sailing when underway. The crew becomes a very artful and lively live
> >ballast. She points markedly higher than June Bug. I THINK she's pretty
> >fast, but I haven't really tested her against any competition yet. I
> plan
> >to
> >pit her against the Wind Sprints and LS's at the Festival races this
> >summer.
> >Her faults: she tends to yaw on a dead run. Despite her larger size,
> she
> >will carry only half the weight of June Bug. She can't be dropped into
> the
> >water near as handily as June Bug. She requires way more care boarding
> than
> >JB. A split second of daydreaming at the tiller can result in a boat
> load
> >of
> >water. She's not as easy to build as JB, though not that much harder.
> >
> >I'm sure you'll get wide and varied endorcements from folks on the
> list.
> >Bottom line is you can't really go wrong. If you do a half decent job
> >you'll
> >love whatever you build. But trust me, you're not likely to be content
> to
> >stop with one. I've only just begun.
> >
> >jeb, getting misty eyed on the once again snowing shores of Fundy
> >
>
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Gonna try to keep out of trouble this time.
Jim says he just didn't find enough interest on this page,
but I imagine he's watching from somewhere.
Still think GP-16 a great boat, but have heard from a few mails
that some of the constructions could have been less complicated.
But going to build one when I can. Maybe GP-18 with a little
more "Cabin" room.
Might take some liberties with construction, but only after
consulting with Jim. After all, he put a lot of time into trying
to get this thing "Right", and who an I to try to "Improve" on
his design. My few attempts at "Improving" have usually lead to
unintended, and unthoughtout mistakes.
Brick looks best for my 3 sheet boat, but "Toad", "Elegant Punt"
still the best for my money and for 2 sheet boat.
Anybody heard of plans, or built real "SUPER BRICK"
Twice, really 8 times as big. Same Basic design but 16' long and
8' wide, with maybe some truncation of bottom to make it not quite
as deep.
Would be a real load carrier.
Thinking of one with possibly of just dropping an old Pickup camper
in/on it. Extra room used for storage, and or flotation.
Of course would have to have "ramp" in front, or build it with wheels
and axle attached, with removable trailer tongue.
Clearance might be a problem, but with rocker of bottom would take
care of most of the potential "scrapes"
No trailer, just launch the whole darn thing. Maybe use 16 or 17
wheels to keep the bearing out of the water most of the time, but with
"Bearing Buddies" to keep out what water might get to them.
Have seen such trailers used on "Booths" used by venders at
"Craft Markets" Trailer tongue attached by 3 2' trailer "receivers"
Pull three pins and tongue and A frame supports just slides right out.
No trailer, just boat.
What's wrong with that? I haven't quite thought out all the
design, but seem possible.
Where are the "Flaws" in my thinking?
Tell me all the things I forgot to think about.
There must be something wrong with it, or there would be a lot of them
already out there.
If it works, I declare the patent on it. ;-)
Aren't you glad I came back? I can come up with some unusual,
and maybe even some workable ideas.
Strange is not necesarily bad.
May this group have peace, and new ideas.
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
Jim says he just didn't find enough interest on this page,
but I imagine he's watching from somewhere.
Still think GP-16 a great boat, but have heard from a few mails
that some of the constructions could have been less complicated.
But going to build one when I can. Maybe GP-18 with a little
more "Cabin" room.
Might take some liberties with construction, but only after
consulting with Jim. After all, he put a lot of time into trying
to get this thing "Right", and who an I to try to "Improve" on
his design. My few attempts at "Improving" have usually lead to
unintended, and unthoughtout mistakes.
Brick looks best for my 3 sheet boat, but "Toad", "Elegant Punt"
still the best for my money and for 2 sheet boat.
Anybody heard of plans, or built real "SUPER BRICK"
Twice, really 8 times as big. Same Basic design but 16' long and
8' wide, with maybe some truncation of bottom to make it not quite
as deep.
Would be a real load carrier.
Thinking of one with possibly of just dropping an old Pickup camper
in/on it. Extra room used for storage, and or flotation.
Of course would have to have "ramp" in front, or build it with wheels
and axle attached, with removable trailer tongue.
Clearance might be a problem, but with rocker of bottom would take
care of most of the potential "scrapes"
No trailer, just launch the whole darn thing. Maybe use 16 or 17
wheels to keep the bearing out of the water most of the time, but with
"Bearing Buddies" to keep out what water might get to them.
Have seen such trailers used on "Booths" used by venders at
"Craft Markets" Trailer tongue attached by 3 2' trailer "receivers"
Pull three pins and tongue and A frame supports just slides right out.
No trailer, just boat.
What's wrong with that? I haven't quite thought out all the
design, but seem possible.
Where are the "Flaws" in my thinking?
Tell me all the things I forgot to think about.
There must be something wrong with it, or there would be a lot of them
already out there.
If it works, I declare the patent on it. ;-)
Aren't you glad I came back? I can come up with some unusual,
and maybe even some workable ideas.
Strange is not necesarily bad.
May this group have peace, and new ideas.
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon