Re: Bolger AND Michalak
Good evening: Of the many hundreds of craft
Mr. Bolger has designed, I usually see a very
limited number actually discussed here; primarily
it is micro, with a few of the instant boats
thrown in. The emphasis of this group seems to
be primarily on small, relatively easy-to-build
craft, so calling it the "bolger group" is not
entirely accurate, either. Perhaps a more
appropriate moniker would be, the "Bolger
Instant Boat" group.
As the builder of one Michalak design (and
contemplating another), I am very interested in
seeing more of his designs discussed. All of
Jim's designs are for home-built, inexpensive
craft. That fits the subject matter of this group,
even if it does not fit the name.
An alternative might be for some computer-savvy
individual to start a Michalak group.
I would read both.
Max
Mr. Bolger has designed, I usually see a very
limited number actually discussed here; primarily
it is micro, with a few of the instant boats
thrown in. The emphasis of this group seems to
be primarily on small, relatively easy-to-build
craft, so calling it the "bolger group" is not
entirely accurate, either. Perhaps a more
appropriate moniker would be, the "Bolger
Instant Boat" group.
As the builder of one Michalak design (and
contemplating another), I am very interested in
seeing more of his designs discussed. All of
Jim's designs are for home-built, inexpensive
craft. That fits the subject matter of this group,
even if it does not fit the name.
An alternative might be for some computer-savvy
individual to start a Michalak group.
I would read both.
Max
O.K. Stan,you've blown me cover.....I ain't no gambler! Also,you're
probably right about the relative value of my nickle to yours however
I was thinking about gaining some value from a strictly nostaglic
perspective.Besides,our nickle has a fiesty little beaver on one side
and boy do they love wood.........!
Sincerely,
Skippy,Peters' evil twin who eschews wine women and song for the
betterment of his other half(party-pooper!),from the shores of the
St.Lawrence..............
probably right about the relative value of my nickle to yours however
I was thinking about gaining some value from a strictly nostaglic
perspective.Besides,our nickle has a fiesty little beaver on one side
and boy do they love wood.........!
Sincerely,
Skippy,Peters' evil twin who eschews wine women and song for the
betterment of his other half(party-pooper!),from the shores of the
St.Lawrence..............
--- In bolger@y..., Stan Muller <smuller@i...> wrote:
> > Lets see now,you have a penny in,Stan has two....how about a
> > Canadian nickle?
> I thought the idea of a raise was to up the ante, isn't 5 cents
Canadian
> about the same as 2 cents USD? ;-)
> Sorry 'bout that Peter, I couldn't help myself. ;-)
> signed, Stan's evil twin
> Lets see now,you have a penny in,Stan has two....how about aI thought the idea of a raise was to up the ante, isn't 5 cents Canadian
> Canadian nickle?
about the same as 2 cents USD? ;-)
Sorry 'bout that Peter, I couldn't help myself. ;-)
signed, Stan's evil twin
Happy Easter to you,Jim!
Lets see now,you have a penny in,Stan has two....how about a
Canadian nickle?
I certainly like the idea of keeping an"open mind" when it comes
to boat stuff and can see little harm in subjecting other innocent
designers to our well intentioned ramblings.
I would imagine too that the good ones(designers) most likely have
their own internet support group/fan club/mutual misery society or
whatever and I would feel somewhat cheap in stealing their thunder.
So my vote would be somewhat along the following
lines;sure,introduce new stuff from other designers that appear to
foster practical solutions/options to ones need to get out on the
water without getting a second mortgage but lets not make a mission
out of it.Afterall,there will always be folk out there who may
discover Bolger from a source other then the internet and may one day
type in the words"Phillip C. Bolger" in the search window.It would be
a nice service to them to actually find"the" site for all things
Bolger and not just another amateur/backyard builder site.
I hope this does not sound too harsh or restrictive.It is not
intended to be and despite my own crazy postings about the MICRO,I
really do enjoy a ton of other types.
I think things will start to get very interesting the day PCB &
Friends turn their own web page on.We hopefully will see far more then
the very limited content of BWAOM and will have tons of"new"designs to
analyse(build?) until we have blisters on our finger tips.
So that is it from me.Perhaps our esteemed moderator,Gregg the
Great,will toss in a valued coin or two..........
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,glad he stayed away from all the chocolate and stuck
with the Porto,here on the shores of the St.Lawrence.........
Lets see now,you have a penny in,Stan has two....how about a
Canadian nickle?
I certainly like the idea of keeping an"open mind" when it comes
to boat stuff and can see little harm in subjecting other innocent
designers to our well intentioned ramblings.
I would imagine too that the good ones(designers) most likely have
their own internet support group/fan club/mutual misery society or
whatever and I would feel somewhat cheap in stealing their thunder.
So my vote would be somewhat along the following
lines;sure,introduce new stuff from other designers that appear to
foster practical solutions/options to ones need to get out on the
water without getting a second mortgage but lets not make a mission
out of it.Afterall,there will always be folk out there who may
discover Bolger from a source other then the internet and may one day
type in the words"Phillip C. Bolger" in the search window.It would be
a nice service to them to actually find"the" site for all things
Bolger and not just another amateur/backyard builder site.
I hope this does not sound too harsh or restrictive.It is not
intended to be and despite my own crazy postings about the MICRO,I
really do enjoy a ton of other types.
I think things will start to get very interesting the day PCB &
Friends turn their own web page on.We hopefully will see far more then
the very limited content of BWAOM and will have tons of"new"designs to
analyse(build?) until we have blisters on our finger tips.
So that is it from me.Perhaps our esteemed moderator,Gregg the
Great,will toss in a valued coin or two..........
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,glad he stayed away from all the chocolate and stuck
with the Porto,here on the shores of the St.Lawrence.........
--- In bolger@y..., Jim Goeckermann <jim@s...> wrote:
> Happy Easter to all!
> I would like to chuck a penny into the ring here.... I for one enjoy
the inclusion of all Michalak designs into the
> forum, and wish to propose expanding the group to all such
designers. How many times can you reread Boats With an Open
> Mind? (In fact, if you are new to this list, understand that this is
the bible of this collection of plywood captains -
> I'll sell you a copy for half price if you can't spring for the full
Amazon fare.)
> Back to Michalak. Here is my rationale. He is still designing in
the realm of the home builder. Michalak said that if
> you want a boat much bigger than __, get a used fiberglass boat.
What wisdom! The rigging and trailer alone are more
> than you pay for a great complete Catalina, Venture, or other 22'
plus trailer sailer. He concentrates on the smaller
> boats that make sense to build, and does so with advice that fits
our limited economic resources to "feed the fever".
> Furthermore, he is open to furthering the development of a type as
input pours in from the troops.
> For my money, having "opened the mind" with Bolger's designs, I
remain grateful to him for pushing the envelope.
> However, there is not much new from those quarters, and I propose we
might stagnate unless we open the focus somewhat.
> Half a dozen folks have asked a "which boat" question that I would
have answered with "Go get Carnell's $20 plans for
> the $200 sailboat!" But I didn't want to get flamed. However, I
now have my armor strapped on.
> Summary: Discussions of Bolger and similar thinking designers might
be "officially" welcome.
> I would like to chuck a penny into the ring here.I'll see your penny and raise it with my two cents.
Hi Jim,
As fond as I am of Bolger's designs, (though it may come as a
surprise to some) I like the Micro in particular, I see no value or
reason to not to incorporate designers of like ilk into the forum. I,
for one, am interested in the boats, not where or by whom they were
conceived. The primary interest in Bolger boats will never change, as
you said, he was the one to push the envelope, but that is no reason not
to include other designers and there boats from the discussion.
> Summary: Discussions of Bolger and similar thinking designers might be "officially" welcome.I second the nomination, All in favor?
Stan, Snow Goose.
Happy Easter to all!
I would like to chuck a penny into the ring here.... I for one enjoy the inclusion of all Michalak designs into the
forum, and wish to propose expanding the group to all such designers. How many times can you reread Boats With an Open
Mind? (In fact, if you are new to this list, understand that this is the bible of this collection of plywood captains -
I'll sell you a copy for half price if you can't spring for the full Amazon fare.)
Back to Michalak. Here is my rationale. He is still designing in the realm of the home builder. Michalak said that if
you want a boat much bigger than __, get a used fiberglass boat. What wisdom! The rigging and trailer alone are more
than you pay for a great complete Catalina, Venture, or other 22' plus trailer sailer. He concentrates on the smaller
boats that make sense to build, and does so with advice that fits our limited economic resources to "feed the fever".
Furthermore, he is open to furthering the development of a type as input pours in from the troops.
For my money, having "opened the mind" with Bolger's designs, I remain grateful to him for pushing the envelope.
However, there is not much new from those quarters, and I propose we might stagnate unless we open the focus somewhat.
Half a dozen folks have asked a "which boat" question that I would have answered with "Go get Carnell's $20 plans for
the $200 sailboat!" But I didn't want to get flamed. However, I now have my armor strapped on.
Summary: Discussions of Bolger and similar thinking designers might be "officially" welcome.
I would like to chuck a penny into the ring here.... I for one enjoy the inclusion of all Michalak designs into the
forum, and wish to propose expanding the group to all such designers. How many times can you reread Boats With an Open
Mind? (In fact, if you are new to this list, understand that this is the bible of this collection of plywood captains -
I'll sell you a copy for half price if you can't spring for the full Amazon fare.)
Back to Michalak. Here is my rationale. He is still designing in the realm of the home builder. Michalak said that if
you want a boat much bigger than __, get a used fiberglass boat. What wisdom! The rigging and trailer alone are more
than you pay for a great complete Catalina, Venture, or other 22' plus trailer sailer. He concentrates on the smaller
boats that make sense to build, and does so with advice that fits our limited economic resources to "feed the fever".
Furthermore, he is open to furthering the development of a type as input pours in from the troops.
For my money, having "opened the mind" with Bolger's designs, I remain grateful to him for pushing the envelope.
However, there is not much new from those quarters, and I propose we might stagnate unless we open the focus somewhat.
Half a dozen folks have asked a "which boat" question that I would have answered with "Go get Carnell's $20 plans for
the $200 sailboat!" But I didn't want to get flamed. However, I now have my armor strapped on.
Summary: Discussions of Bolger and similar thinking designers might be "officially" welcome.