Re: [bolger] Re: Italian Lite Plywood
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, porky pine wrote:
and expect that, in a serious collision with a rock, that you will reflect
happily on how you wore your PFD that day.
> Do you think that one could get away with 3/8" (4mm) thick occume forIt's asking a lot, although probably not too much. Just treat it gently,
> a small, flatwater boat such as the 16' Pirogue? Or am I asking too
> much?
and expect that, in a serious collision with a rock, that you will reflect
happily on how you wore your PFD that day.
4mm okoume is awfully thin for that boat. That's about as thin as
one can get away with for ply lapstrake canoes, and those boats have
a lot more shape to them; compound curves and double-thickness laps
make for a much stiffer shell. The long, skinny, and squarish
pirogue doesn't have much curve to the panels, and I suspect it'd be
awfully floppy with 4mm. Okoume isn't that strong, also. Maybe with
careful reinforcement at the chine and gunwale, and an additional
frame or two? 1/4"-6mm, at least on the bottom, would be a better
bet, IMHO.
Keith Wilson
one can get away with for ply lapstrake canoes, and those boats have
a lot more shape to them; compound curves and double-thickness laps
make for a much stiffer shell. The long, skinny, and squarish
pirogue doesn't have much curve to the panels, and I suspect it'd be
awfully floppy with 4mm. Okoume isn't that strong, also. Maybe with
careful reinforcement at the chine and gunwale, and an additional
frame or two? 1/4"-6mm, at least on the bottom, would be a better
bet, IMHO.
Keith Wilson
> --- In bolger@y..., "porky pine " <porcupine@d...> wrote:for a small, flatwater boat such as the 16' Pirogue?
> Do you think that one could get away with 3/16" (4mm) thick occume
D'oh! I meant 3/16" thick occume down there,
porky
porky
--- In bolger@y..., "porky pine " <porcupine@d...> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Thanks for the reply. I didn't realize that that was the structure
> of the panel, but I did know that poplar is not the most durable
> wood.
>
> Do you think that one could get away with 3/8" (4mm) thick occume
for
> a small, flatwater boat such as the 16' Pirogue? Or am I asking too
> much?....
Chris,
Thanks for the reply. I didn't realize that that was the structure
of the panel, but I did know that poplar is not the most durable
wood.
Do you think that one could get away with 3/8" (4mm) thick occume for
a small, flatwater boat such as the 16' Pirogue? Or am I asking too
much?
TIA,
porky (david galvin)
Thanks for the reply. I didn't realize that that was the structure
of the panel, but I did know that poplar is not the most durable
wood.
Do you think that one could get away with 3/8" (4mm) thick occume for
a small, flatwater boat such as the 16' Pirogue? Or am I asking too
much?
TIA,
porky (david galvin)
--- In bolger@y..., Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, porky pine wrote:
> > Is anyone familiar with this product? It is listed by West Wind
> > Hardwood as a marine plywood weighing 15 lb per 1/4" sheet. All I
can
> > find on the Web is that it is also called "bending ply" and "Lite-
> > Ply", and seems to be poplar-cored. It seems like just the stuff
for a
> > Pirogue or Car Topper that could be lifted gracefully to the roof
> > racks by an aging baby boomer, assuming it is appropriate for
these
> > applications,
>
> Umm, I wouldn't.
>
> (1) Poplar is rot-prone.
> (2) Most importantly, bending ply has all its grain in one
direction, as
> compared to most plywood, with grain crossing at 90 degrees for each
glue
> line.
>
> This makes it a very different building material, and I believe that
it
> would have so little stiffness, that the boat would not be able to
keep
> its shape.
>
> You want light? Spend a little extra and buy gaboon or occume.
> You won't be sorry.
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, porky pine wrote:
(1) Poplar is rot-prone.
(2) Most importantly, bending ply has all its grain in one direction, as
compared to most plywood, with grain crossing at 90 degrees for each glue
line.
This makes it a very different building material, and I believe that it
would have so little stiffness, that the boat would not be able to keep
its shape.
You want light? Spend a little extra and buy gaboon or occume.
You won't be sorry.
> Is anyone familiar with this product? It is listed by West WindUmm, I wouldn't.
> Hardwood as a marine plywood weighing 15 lb per 1/4" sheet. All I can
> find on the Web is that it is also called "bending ply" and "Lite-
> Ply", and seems to be poplar-cored. It seems like just the stuff for a
> Pirogue or Car Topper that could be lifted gracefully to the roof
> racks by an aging baby boomer, assuming it is appropriate for these
> applications,
(1) Poplar is rot-prone.
(2) Most importantly, bending ply has all its grain in one direction, as
compared to most plywood, with grain crossing at 90 degrees for each glue
line.
This makes it a very different building material, and I believe that it
would have so little stiffness, that the boat would not be able to keep
its shape.
You want light? Spend a little extra and buy gaboon or occume.
You won't be sorry.
In a message dated 4/16/2001 12:50:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
porcupine@...writes:
Boulter Plywood lists Italian ply and also "Wacky Wood" ply, both listed as
very flexible the Italian ply is listed as available in "long grain" or
"short grain", I guess sort of like rice. Only the short grain product is
good for making rice pudding, I don't know what this implies for building or
cooking with the short-grain ply.
Regards,
Warren
<< s anyone familiar with this product? It is listed by West Wind
Hardwood as a marine plywood weighing 15 lb per 1/4" sheet. All I can
find on the Web is that it is also called "bending ply" and "Lite-
Ply", and seems to be poplar-cored. It seems like just the stuff for
a Pirogue or Car Topper that could be lifted gracefully to the roof
racks by an aging baby boomer, assuming it is appropriate for these
applications,
TIA
porky (david galvin) >>
porcupine@...writes:
Boulter Plywood lists Italian ply and also "Wacky Wood" ply, both listed as
very flexible the Italian ply is listed as available in "long grain" or
"short grain", I guess sort of like rice. Only the short grain product is
good for making rice pudding, I don't know what this implies for building or
cooking with the short-grain ply.
Regards,
Warren
<< s anyone familiar with this product? It is listed by West Wind
Hardwood as a marine plywood weighing 15 lb per 1/4" sheet. All I can
find on the Web is that it is also called "bending ply" and "Lite-
Ply", and seems to be poplar-cored. It seems like just the stuff for
a Pirogue or Car Topper that could be lifted gracefully to the roof
racks by an aging baby boomer, assuming it is appropriate for these
applications,
TIA
porky (david galvin) >>
Is anyone familiar with this product? It is listed by West Wind
Hardwood as a marine plywood weighing 15 lb per 1/4" sheet. All I can
find on the Web is that it is also called "bending ply" and "Lite-
Ply", and seems to be poplar-cored. It seems like just the stuff for
a Pirogue or Car Topper that could be lifted gracefully to the roof
racks by an aging baby boomer, assuming it is appropriate for these
applications,
TIA
porky (david galvin)
Hardwood as a marine plywood weighing 15 lb per 1/4" sheet. All I can
find on the Web is that it is also called "bending ply" and "Lite-
Ply", and seems to be poplar-cored. It seems like just the stuff for
a Pirogue or Car Topper that could be lifted gracefully to the roof
racks by an aging baby boomer, assuming it is appropriate for these
applications,
TIA
porky (david galvin)