Re: [bolger] Re: AS29 with long keel
Mike, what is a stay as you are refering to it?
Roger
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> These sharpies are susceptible to getting into stays
> as they don't
> have a great deal of momentum to carry them through.
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> Cheers.
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> Mike
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> --- In bolger@y..., c_i_becker@y... wrote:
> > Has anyone out there tried or heard of using a
> Micro type keel on a
> > longer (AS29/Martha Jane/AS39) type sharpie?
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Hi -
These sharpies are susceptible to getting into stays as they don't
have a great deal of momentum to carry them through. Hence, you want
to be able to tack fairly quickly, and a long keel would make that
difficult. I remember reading such comments that Phil wrote
somewhere, and my experience on an AS-19 and a Martha Jane confirmed
it.
Cheers.
Mike
These sharpies are susceptible to getting into stays as they don't
have a great deal of momentum to carry them through. Hence, you want
to be able to tack fairly quickly, and a long keel would make that
difficult. I remember reading such comments that Phil wrote
somewhere, and my experience on an AS-19 and a Martha Jane confirmed
it.
Cheers.
Mike
--- In bolger@y..., c_i_becker@y... wrote:
> Has anyone out there tried or heard of using a Micro type keel on a
> longer (AS29/Martha Jane/AS39) type sharpie?
>
Chuck,
I have no intention whatsoever in changing any of Mr Bolgers designs.
My query was effectively, 'can it be done', and it looks like it
MAY... so, I'll have to ask Mr.Bolger and at the same time, yeah,
I'll ask him about other designs that may work out. I'd just like to
say, after listing my requirements for a coastal cruiser, the AS29 is
definitely the only boat with the least amount of compromises. This
includes headroom where it counts, deck space for a hard dinghy,
shoal draft, big double berth, sit down WC and shower area, low CE
rig and overall less maintenance. Simplicity and functional elegance
are my key concerns, and the AS29 outshines every other design that I
have found (couple of hundred).
I am not after the perfect boat, as it does not exist (like the
perfect woman).
My suggestion to change to the long keel is because I have this
fantastic idea that I want to build that Keel Sharpie 55. Hah!
Thanks Chuck and others for input, my first goal is to get this Long
Micro started and get sailing around beautiful Queensland, Australia.
Chris
I have no intention whatsoever in changing any of Mr Bolgers designs.
My query was effectively, 'can it be done', and it looks like it
MAY... so, I'll have to ask Mr.Bolger and at the same time, yeah,
I'll ask him about other designs that may work out. I'd just like to
say, after listing my requirements for a coastal cruiser, the AS29 is
definitely the only boat with the least amount of compromises. This
includes headroom where it counts, deck space for a hard dinghy,
shoal draft, big double berth, sit down WC and shower area, low CE
rig and overall less maintenance. Simplicity and functional elegance
are my key concerns, and the AS29 outshines every other design that I
have found (couple of hundred).
I am not after the perfect boat, as it does not exist (like the
perfect woman).
My suggestion to change to the long keel is because I have this
fantastic idea that I want to build that Keel Sharpie 55. Hah!
Thanks Chuck and others for input, my first goal is to get this Long
Micro started and get sailing around beautiful Queensland, Australia.
Chris
Peter is absolutely right. It just does not make sense to take a popular
design by a talented guy like Mr. Bolger, and make major changes on your
own. One thing you might try is asking him if one of his hundreds of lesser
known designs might better fit your own wish list.
Chuck
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design by a talented guy like Mr. Bolger, and make major changes on your
own. One thing you might try is asking him if one of his hundreds of lesser
known designs might better fit your own wish list.
Chuck
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> It is not so much that"you can't" but rather"you shouldn't" unless you<snip>
> want to either 1)commission the designer to make the necessary changes
> and thereby benefit fully from proper engineering/scantling details
> provided by the designer and support/consultation during the building
> process. OR 2)Assume full respondsibility for the myriad details that
> must be considered/modified to make"your"ideas work successfully.
> Peter
Hello Chris,
--- In bolger@y..., c_i_becker@y... wrote:
> Has anyone out there tried or heard of using a Micro type keel on a
> longer (AS29/Martha Jane/AS39) type sharpie?
The designer,Phil Bolger,did show a "MICRO"-type keel some time ago
on a 55foot sharpie very much along the lines of the AS-29 etc...in
MAIB.I cannot recall the issue number.Do not know if it has been built
although the article seemed to suggest the boat is still waiting for
takers.
> I don't see why you cant replace the bilgeboards with an external
> ballast keel like the Long Micro. This would make maintenance of the
> underside very easy, just bang, rest the boat on one side and clean
> under and vice versa, and not to say easier to build then those
> bloody bilgeboards!>
> any ideas suggestions, building experiences are welcome for this
> newcomer to boatbuilding and cruising.
It is not so much that"you can't" but rather"you shouldn't" unless you
want to either 1)commission the designer to make the necessary changes
and thereby benefit fully from proper engineering/scantling details
provided by the designer and support/consultation during the building
process. OR 2)Assume full respondsibility for the myriad details that
must be considered/modified to make"your"ideas work successfully.
Keep in mind Chris that this is not meant to completely
discourage you.Afterall,I suspect we are all tinkerers to some degree
in this group!It may also be worth noting that the above mentioned
designs were designed that way as the result of someones"wish list"
and that the solutions offered up by the designer apply to that"wish
list".Ultimately,all boats are something of a compromise regarding
their features and aesthetics.
In a time where we live with the notion that"we can have it
all",it can,at first,be somewhat frustrating to discover that it ain't
that easy!Who wouldn't want a boat that can sail in 10" of water yet
point upwind like an Americas Cup boat,sleep 6,cost less then a
car,be buildable by the average chap in a few weekends, be trailerable
by the smallest car right to your driveway and still look like a
boat?!
In the end,it is still your time and money that will be
spent.Depending on you own personal affinities to both these
factors,you may wish to consult directly with the designer,Phil
Bolger,in order to minimize any unexpected hemorrhaging.
Finally,unless I have completely misunderstood Bolgers writings,he
has done many many designs employing leeboards and they have
apparently fulfilled their tasks well especially in their ability to
get a boat sailing to windward over some rather shallow water.They are
not that hard to build!
Best of luck with your Long MICRO and do not forget to post some
pictures for the group!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,on the shores of the St.Lawrence...............
Has anyone out there tried or heard of using a Micro type keel on a
longer (AS29/Martha Jane/AS39) type sharpie?
My Dad and I are starting on a Long Micro after we finish our Selway
Fisher 11' Today dinghy, probably start around winter (August).
I don't see why you cant replace the bilgeboards with an external
ballast keel like the Long Micro. This would make maintenance of the
underside very easy, just bang, rest the boat on one side and clean
under and vice versa, and not to say easier to build then those
bloody bilgeboards!
any ideas suggestions, building experiences are welcome for this
newcomer to boatbuilding and cruising.
Chris
longer (AS29/Martha Jane/AS39) type sharpie?
My Dad and I are starting on a Long Micro after we finish our Selway
Fisher 11' Today dinghy, probably start around winter (August).
I don't see why you cant replace the bilgeboards with an external
ballast keel like the Long Micro. This would make maintenance of the
underside very easy, just bang, rest the boat on one side and clean
under and vice versa, and not to say easier to build then those
bloody bilgeboards!
any ideas suggestions, building experiences are welcome for this
newcomer to boatbuilding and cruising.
Chris