Re: [bolger] Re: Choice?
On Sat, 28 Apr 2001phillip_lea@...wrote:
right motor. I have a 1.2hp Tanaka that I used several times on my Teal,
which is smaller than all of the above, and less suitable for a motor. It
worked just fine--I had to build a little funky mount for the starboard
gunwhale, which took about an hour.
Now the Tanaka is not an ideal engine--one guy on the list asked if anyone
would buy his, as it sounded like he was inside a popcorn popper. They
are loud.
But put 1.2hp on a Teal, and watch it leap into action!!! It was fun.
Of course, now any motor cruising I do is with a 4-stroke Nissan,
quieter, and a lot less pollution--noise, air and water.
> A motor is a big investment in boat size -- neither Windsprint norActually, all of these can handle a motor reasonably well, if it's the
> Zephyr can handle a motor. How about the Light Schooner?
right motor. I have a 1.2hp Tanaka that I used several times on my Teal,
which is smaller than all of the above, and less suitable for a motor. It
worked just fine--I had to build a little funky mount for the starboard
gunwhale, which took about an hour.
Now the Tanaka is not an ideal engine--one guy on the list asked if anyone
would buy his, as it sounded like he was inside a popcorn popper. They
are loud.
But put 1.2hp on a Teal, and watch it leap into action!!! It was fun.
Of course, now any motor cruising I do is with a 4-stroke Nissan,
quieter, and a lot less pollution--noise, air and water.
In a message dated 04/28/2001 1:<BR45:<BR50 PM
Eastern Daylight ,KF4call@...writes:
I wasn't scolding you for your interesting suggestion, merely making certain
that the original poster understood how different those types are.
It is always good to pooint out other alternatives, even if they are
rejected. Sometimes they fit better and the fellow was unaware of those
choices.
Cheers/Carron
Eastern Daylight ,KF4call@...writes:
> In retrospect, I didn'tso
> recall it, but these two designs were the original choices of the poster,
> I guess expanding the range of options was not really called for. SorryWarren,
> about that.
I wasn't scolding you for your interesting suggestion, merely making certain
that the original poster understood how different those types are.
It is always good to pooint out other alternatives, even if they are
rejected. Sometimes they fit better and the fellow was unaware of those
choices.
Cheers/Carron
Of course you are right, and I noted that there would be a downside to such a
choice in terms of some of the other criteria. In retrospect, I didn't
recall it, but these two designs were the original choices of the poster, so
I guess expanding the range of options was not really called for. Sorry
about that.
Regards,
Warren
n a message dated 04/28/2001 10:<BR28:<BR27 AM
Eastern Daylight,KF4call@...writes:
well the intended use of the original poster. It is rather like recommending
a minivan to someone who has expressed an interest in a Miata :-)
That said, I was really impressed with the oldshoe I saw in FL many years
ago. Roomy is an understatement. Stolid, and with an extreme feeling of
security. I'd not want one for gunkholing the thin waters of the Chesapeake,
but an Oldshoe would feel very nice on a windy day in the deeper waters,
where a Zephyr (or a WS even more) could seem a bit scary.
Cheers/Carron
choice in terms of some of the other criteria. In retrospect, I didn't
recall it, but these two designs were the original choices of the poster, so
I guess expanding the range of options was not really called for. Sorry
about that.
Regards,
Warren
n a message dated 04/28/2001 10:<BR28:<BR27 AM
Eastern Daylight,KF4call@...writes:
> I chose to build Oldshoe, mostly due to my concern forof
> the safety others who may use the boat, but I know it will cost me in some
> the other areas.Oldshoe is also an entirely different concept and probably doesn't fit as
well the intended use of the original poster. It is rather like recommending
a minivan to someone who has expressed an interest in a Miata :-)
That said, I was really impressed with the oldshoe I saw in FL many years
ago. Roomy is an understatement. Stolid, and with an extreme feeling of
security. I'd not want one for gunkholing the thin waters of the Chesapeake,
but an Oldshoe would feel very nice on a windy day in the deeper waters,
where a Zephyr (or a WS even more) could seem a bit scary.
Cheers/Carron
In a message dated 04/28/2001 10:<BR28:<BR27 AM
Eastern Daylight,KF4call@...writes:
well the intended use of the original poster. It is rather like recommending
a minivan to someone who has expressed an interest in a Miata :-)
That said, I was really impressed with the oldshoe I saw in FL many years
ago. Roomy is an understatement. Stolid, and with an extreme feeling of
security. I'd not want one for gunkholing the thin waters of the Chesapeake,
but an Oldshoe would feel very nice on a windy day in the deeper waters,
where a Zephyr (or a WS even more) could seem a bit scary.
Cheers/Carron
Eastern Daylight,KF4call@...writes:
> I chose to build Oldshoe, mostly due to my concern forof
> the safety others who may use the boat, but I know it will cost me in some
> the other areas.Oldshoe is also an entirely different concept and probably doesn't fit as
well the intended use of the original poster. It is rather like recommending
a minivan to someone who has expressed an interest in a Miata :-)
That said, I was really impressed with the oldshoe I saw in FL many years
ago. Roomy is an understatement. Stolid, and with an extreme feeling of
security. I'd not want one for gunkholing the thin waters of the Chesapeake,
but an Oldshoe would feel very nice on a windy day in the deeper waters,
where a Zephyr (or a WS even more) could seem a bit scary.
Cheers/Carron
Then there is another choice, depending on how concerned/overconcerned
you are about safety. The Oldshoe is said to be "self bailing, self righting
and self rescuing". It is a cat-ketch designed also for a small outboard.
The boat is heavier, has a keel which decreases the shoal draft (requires a
minimum of 14" of water to float) and probably is not as "exciting" to sail.
All this additional safety and capability will cost you, however. Not to say
one is better, but it does depend on how you choose to weight or rank each of
your design criteria. I chose to build Oldshoe, mostly due to my concern for
the safety others who may use the boat, but I know it will cost me in some of
the other areas.
Regards,
Warren
In a message dated 4/28/2001 10:06:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
david@...writes:
<< Either of these boats will serve you very well for your intended
application.
out. I'm not saying it's hard to plot the curves for the Surf, but
you can beat the parallel cuts of the Zephyr. >>
you are about safety. The Oldshoe is said to be "self bailing, self righting
and self rescuing". It is a cat-ketch designed also for a small outboard.
The boat is heavier, has a keel which decreases the shoal draft (requires a
minimum of 14" of water to float) and probably is not as "exciting" to sail.
All this additional safety and capability will cost you, however. Not to say
one is better, but it does depend on how you choose to weight or rank each of
your design criteria. I chose to build Oldshoe, mostly due to my concern for
the safety others who may use the boat, but I know it will cost me in some of
the other areas.
Regards,
Warren
In a message dated 4/28/2001 10:06:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
david@...writes:
<< Either of these boats will serve you very well for your intended
application.
>Zephyr is of course a good deal longer than WS and so will be roomier by aAnd don't forget that the Zephyr's topsides couldn't be easier to lay
>bit, and possibly faster. Also, the lateen rig is a pussycat to handle.
out. I'm not saying it's hard to plot the curves for the Surf, but
you can beat the parallel cuts of the Zephyr. >>
>In a message dated 04/28/2001 12:<BR32:<BR58 AMAnd don't forget that the Zephyr's topsides couldn't be easier to lay
> Eastern Daylight,micwal_va@...writes:
>> In looking at some plans I believe that either Zephyr or Windsprint
>> by Bolger/Payson may fit the bill.
>>
>> What are the main differences between the Zephyr and the Windsprint?
>
>Either of these boats will serve you very well for your intended application.
>Zephyr is of course a good deal longer than WS and so will be roomier by a
>bit, and possibly faster. Also, the lateen rig is a pussycat to handle.
out. I'm not saying it's hard to plot the curves for the Surf, but
you can beat the parallel cuts of the Zephyr.
None of Parker's boats in "The Sharpie Book" are as easy as the
instant boats; to get the offsets right, you'll need a minimal frame
at least.
Building a Zephyr this Spring too,
David
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I believe if you ordered R. Parkers plans they would be more
detailed, but he doesn't recommend motors for his boats except
in the larger sizes. A motor is a big investment in boat
size -- neither Windsprint nor Zephyr can handle a motor.
How about the Light Schooner?
Phil Lea
detailed, but he doesn't recommend motors for his boats except
in the larger sizes. A motor is a big investment in boat
size -- neither Windsprint nor Zephyr can handle a motor.
How about the Light Schooner?
Phil Lea
--- In bolger@y..., StepHydro@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 04/28/2001 12:<BR32:<BR58 AM
> Eastern Daylight, micwal_va@h... writes:
> > In looking at some plans I believe that either Zephyr or
Windsprint
> > by Bolger/Payson may fit the bill.
> >
> > What are differences between the Zephyr and Windsprint?
> Either of these boats will serve you very well for your intended
application.
> Zephyr is of course a good deal longer than WS and so will be
roomier by a
> bit, and possibly faster. Also, the lateen rig is a pussycat to
handle.
>
> I'd like to encourage Zephyr if you have the room for her for this
reason. We
> have on the list a few WS owners; so far as I know, not one person
has ever
> mentioned owing or even sailing a Zephry. If would be fery fine to
have some
> list experience on the Zephyr. She is less-often built because of
the greater
> length. The ability of a "crowd" to spread out fore and aft in a
boat is
> underappreciated:-)
>
> Cheers/Carron
In a message dated 04/28/2001 12:<BR32:<BR58 AM
Eastern Daylight,micwal_va@...writes:
Zephyr is of course a good deal longer than WS and so will be roomier by a
bit, and possibly faster. Also, the lateen rig is a pussycat to handle.
I'd like to encourage Zephyr if you have the room for her for this reason. We
have on the list a few WS owners; so far as I know, not one person has ever
mentioned owing or even sailing a Zephry. If would be fery fine to have some
list experience on the Zephyr. She is less-often built because of the greater
length. The ability of a "crowd" to spread out fore and aft in a boat is
underappreciated:-)
Cheers/Carron
Eastern Daylight,micwal_va@...writes:
> In looking at some plans I believe that either Zephyr or WindsprintEither of these boats will serve you very well for your intended application.
> by Bolger/Payson may fit the bill.
>
> What are the main differences between the Zephyr and the Windsprint?
Zephyr is of course a good deal longer than WS and so will be roomier by a
bit, and possibly faster. Also, the lateen rig is a pussycat to handle.
I'd like to encourage Zephyr if you have the room for her for this reason. We
have on the list a few WS owners; so far as I know, not one person has ever
mentioned owing or even sailing a Zephry. If would be fery fine to have some
list experience on the Zephyr. She is less-often built because of the greater
length. The ability of a "crowd" to spread out fore and aft in a boat is
underappreciated:-)
Cheers/Carron
I am looking to build a day sailor that is reasonably stable, as well
as fast with a good load capacity and can take a small outboard.
In looking at some plans I believe that either Zephyr or Windsprint
by Bolger/Payson may fit the bill.
What are the main differences between the Zephyr and the Windsprint?
This is going to be a father and sons (ages 11 and 12) project. The
intended use is on protected bodies of water (lakes and reservoirs),
and on the Chesapeake Bay near Washington, D.C. and the Potomac River
(close to shore and fairly shallow depth).
Do you think that either is a suitable choice? If not what boat would
you recommend with similar build times and hull shape
(sharpie/skiff/scow)?
I have looked at R. Parker's sharpies, but find the plans are not
detailed enough for my first boat. I want to be successful in
building the boat by the end of this summer...and save
frustration/interpretation with plans till I have more experience.
as fast with a good load capacity and can take a small outboard.
In looking at some plans I believe that either Zephyr or Windsprint
by Bolger/Payson may fit the bill.
What are the main differences between the Zephyr and the Windsprint?
This is going to be a father and sons (ages 11 and 12) project. The
intended use is on protected bodies of water (lakes and reservoirs),
and on the Chesapeake Bay near Washington, D.C. and the Potomac River
(close to shore and fairly shallow depth).
Do you think that either is a suitable choice? If not what boat would
you recommend with similar build times and hull shape
(sharpie/skiff/scow)?
I have looked at R. Parker's sharpies, but find the plans are not
detailed enough for my first boat. I want to be successful in
building the boat by the end of this summer...and save
frustration/interpretation with plans till I have more experience.