Re: Bolger Politics
Chris L wrote:
polling booth. This is a gross violation of liberty Chris, the state
is forcing someone to have their name crossed off some Big Brother
list and if you do not you will be fined and if those fines are not
paid, you will be jailed! This is freedom under democracy?
Mate, nobody tells me what to do with my life in any form, unless my
actions interfere with the peaceable actions of someone else. If I do
not want to vote (IMHO there is no one capable out there to represent
me but myself) I should not have to vote. end of story. Sorry Group,
but I hate being forced under the threat of imprisonment to do
something that I thought we all paid for in wars past, including
about 90% of my relatives.
enough babble, sorry group I just spent four days in the scrub on
exercise and I'm tired.....
Chris B.
sunny Queensland, where it rained at 5am on Sunday whilst I slept
under a thin film of plastic and filled my sleeping bag up with
water.....and then it got sunny again. ready for Monday back to
work...........
> It's not compulsory to vote .... it's compulsory toWHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA....The fact remains it's compulsory to go to a
> turn up to the polling booth on election day, have
> you name crossed off and take the papers, after
> that it is up to you what you do :)
>
> So Chris didn't need to get the fines :)
polling booth. This is a gross violation of liberty Chris, the state
is forcing someone to have their name crossed off some Big Brother
list and if you do not you will be fined and if those fines are not
paid, you will be jailed! This is freedom under democracy?
Mate, nobody tells me what to do with my life in any form, unless my
actions interfere with the peaceable actions of someone else. If I do
not want to vote (IMHO there is no one capable out there to represent
me but myself) I should not have to vote. end of story. Sorry Group,
but I hate being forced under the threat of imprisonment to do
something that I thought we all paid for in wars past, including
about 90% of my relatives.
enough babble, sorry group I just spent four days in the scrub on
exercise and I'm tired.....
Chris B.
sunny Queensland, where it rained at 5am on Sunday whilst I slept
under a thin film of plastic and filled my sleeping bag up with
water.....and then it got sunny again. ready for Monday back to
work...........
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
It's not compulsory to vote .... it's compulsory to
turn up to the polling booth on election day, have
you name crossed off and take the papers, after
that it is up to you what you do :)
So Chris didn't need to get the fines :)
We had a referendum last year on the Queen issue,
unfortunately the unwashed masses believed the
cinservatives that the sky would fall if we had a
republic, and voted against it. (An
oversimplification of the politics, but you don't
want the full story - trust me!)
Chris Lasdauskas
>currently paying off a
> >I am in Brisbane, Queensland actually. I am
> >substantial fine for not having voted in thelast couple of
> >elections.queen too?
>
> Mandatory voting? You guys still worship the
It's not compulsory to vote .... it's compulsory to
turn up to the polling booth on election day, have
you name crossed off and take the papers, after
that it is up to you what you do :)
So Chris didn't need to get the fines :)
We had a referendum last year on the Queen issue,
unfortunately the unwashed masses believed the
cinservatives that the sky would fall if we had a
republic, and voted against it. (An
oversimplification of the politics, but you don't
want the full story - trust me!)
Chris Lasdauskas
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001StepHydro@...wrote:
Bolger's fantasized sexual relations, then you "didn't get it."
I disagree. I get it--and am turned off by it.
But readers should make up their own minds.
> I'd say that you (and maybe most whom I've seen comment on the book)It's been said before, in this forum, that if you're turned off by
> didn't get what he was trying to say about the man/woman relationship
> in the novel.
Bolger's fantasized sexual relations, then you "didn't get it."
I disagree. I get it--and am turned off by it.
But readers should make up their own minds.
In a message dated 04/30/2001 3:<BR09:<BR06 PM
Eastern Daylight ,amajorov@...writes:
Nice thing about stories; we can all draw our own conclusions and no one has
to agree. :-)
Cheers/Carron
Eastern Daylight ,amajorov@...writes:
> What? That men are flighty, romantic flibberty-gibbets, ready to throwI reckon, if you say so.
> away our lives away on real or imagined slights to our vanity? Or that
> women are the hard-nosed realists who can cleanly delineate between
> their desires and their abilities? And that the only way to have an
> orderly society, i.e. one in which women are largely in charge, is for
> men to grow up with the illusion of superiority while women grow up
> with the reality of it.
Nice thing about stories; we can all draw our own conclusions and no one has
to agree. :-)
Cheers/Carron
--- In bolger@y..., StepHydro@a... wrote:
away our lives away on real or imagined slights to our vanity? Or that
women are the hard-nosed realists who can cleanly delineate between
their desires and their abilities? And that the only way to have an
orderly society, i.e. one in which women are largely in charge, is for
men to grow up with the illusion of superiority while women grow up
with the reality of it.
I thought the man/woman relationship was integral to the story but
there were plenty of other aspects of the novel that were fully the
equivalent in their ability to elicit howls of protest.
If I had to characterize the novel I'd say it was the literary
equivalent of a Bolger Box: starting out with a certain mission and
certain materials to accomplish that mission, what is the most
efficient solution, regardless of convention?
> I'd say that you (and maybe most whom I've seen comment on the book)didn't
> get what he was trying to say about the man/woman relationship inthe novel.
> I must agree that the characterizations weren't up to the level ofgreat
> literature:-)What? That men are flighty, romantic flibberty-gibbets, ready to throw
>
> Cheers/Carron
away our lives away on real or imagined slights to our vanity? Or that
women are the hard-nosed realists who can cleanly delineate between
their desires and their abilities? And that the only way to have an
orderly society, i.e. one in which women are largely in charge, is for
men to grow up with the illusion of superiority while women grow up
with the reality of it.
I thought the man/woman relationship was integral to the story but
there were plenty of other aspects of the novel that were fully the
equivalent in their ability to elicit howls of protest.
If I had to characterize the novel I'd say it was the literary
equivalent of a Bolger Box: starting out with a certain mission and
certain materials to accomplish that mission, what is the most
efficient solution, regardless of convention?
In a message dated 04/30/2001 10:<BR56:<BR31 AM
Eastern Daylight,kwilson800@...writes:
I'd say that you (and maybe most whom I've seen comment on the book) didn't
get what he was trying to say about the man/woman relationship in the novel.
I must agree that the characterizations weren't up to the level of great
literature:-)
Cheers/Carron
Eastern Daylight,kwilson800@...writes:
> I'd say the novelKeith,
> is a peek into a corner of PCB's mind that I really rather would not
> have known about. I wonder if Ms. Altenberger has read it? ;-)
I'd say that you (and maybe most whom I've seen comment on the book) didn't
get what he was trying to say about the man/woman relationship in the novel.
I must agree that the characterizations weren't up to the level of great
literature:-)
Cheers/Carron
Yeah, "in your face" is quite apt. Schorpoien is an alternate
universe yarn set in Africa in the near future, a United Africa run
along libertarian lines. Libertarian for half the population,
anyway; women are literally considered property, and (in the book,
anyway) don't seem to mind. It's a very very wierd mixture of
utopian libertarianism and mild S&M. The book was privately
published, I think, and is quite rare. I happened to run across a
copy in a used bookstore in San Luis Obispo, and read it with a
mixture of fascination and revulsion. It's not badly written,
although Mr. Bolger is not nearly as good at character development as
he is at writing about boats and expounding ideas. I'd say the novel
is a peek into a corner of PCB's mind that I really rather would not
have known about. I wonder if Ms. Altenberger has read it? ;-)
Keith Wilson
- In bolger@y..., c_i_becker@y... wrote:
universe yarn set in Africa in the near future, a United Africa run
along libertarian lines. Libertarian for half the population,
anyway; women are literally considered property, and (in the book,
anyway) don't seem to mind. It's a very very wierd mixture of
utopian libertarianism and mild S&M. The book was privately
published, I think, and is quite rare. I happened to run across a
copy in a used bookstore in San Luis Obispo, and read it with a
mixture of fascination and revulsion. It's not badly written,
although Mr. Bolger is not nearly as good at character development as
he is at writing about boats and expounding ideas. I'd say the novel
is a peek into a corner of PCB's mind that I really rather would not
have known about. I wonder if Ms. Altenberger has read it? ;-)
Keith Wilson
- In bolger@y..., c_i_becker@y... wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., amajorov@m... >then
> > I can hardly imagine a more "in your face" Libertarian screed
> > Schorpioen. . . . .
> Is that a book (fiction) that PCB wrote?
pvanderw@...wrote:
Write or fax your inquiries. Let us know here.
Phil Smith
>I believe that Phil Bolger has some copies of _Schorpioen_ for sale.
> > > I can hardly imagine a more "in your face" Libertarian screed
> than Schorpioen.
>
> > Is that a book (fiction) that PCB wrote?
>
> Schorpioen is a novel by PCB. I have not read it. I think it was
> published privately by Peter Duff. It was advertised in Small Boat
> Journal, or some similar place. Small Boat Journal also publised some
> extracts for which I did not care.
>
Write or fax your inquiries. Let us know here.
Phil Smith
--- In bolger@y..., c_i_becker@y... wrote:
It sort of explores the outer limits of libertarianism, in some cases
being outrageous because that's where some logical extension of the
story line takes it, in other cases the story line seems to flogged a
bit to introduce an element of outrageousness as a means of letting
the author stick his finger the eye of a particularly irritating
aspect of our culture...
is probably the heart of the book. The boats are big xebecs, which I
think implies that they are lateen-rigged. The book has a line
drawing and the boats have a couple of big lateen sails. It's been a
while since I last read the book but I think the idea is that they
were raced kind of like the old sandbaggers, by professionals, with
the boat owner looking to make money on the deal, like a race horses
owner only on a much larger scale.
Like the sandbaggers the xebecs require a large crew as live ballast
and like the sandbaggers the stress of racing sometimes causing
collisions or capsizes. Unlike the sandbaggers these are big boats,
from the line drawing in the book with a couple of human figures at
the helm I would judge somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 feet,
with large numbers of bettors/spectators/crew. Something our nanny
culture would never allow.
The book was published by Duff & Duff who are mostly boatbuilders I
believe.
> --- In bolger@y..., amajorov@m... >then
> > I can hardly imagine a more "in your face" Libertarian screed
> > Schorpioen. It's practically a big, raised middle finger to theor
> ideas
> > of arm-twisting egalitarianism, sensitivity politics and racial
> > identity politics.
>
> Is that a book (fiction) that PCB wrote? I haven't got my copy of
> BWAOM at hand, but I recall something about it? RE: big schooners
> raced around, identical designs, etc. Is this available at Amazon
> similar?It's an alternate universe science fiction set in South Africa.
>
> Chris
It sort of explores the outer limits of libertarianism, in some cases
being outrageous because that's where some logical extension of the
story line takes it, in other cases the story line seems to flogged a
bit to introduce an element of outrageousness as a means of letting
the author stick his finger the eye of a particularly irritating
aspect of our culture...
> > of arm-twisting egalitarianism, sensitivity politics and racialThe book title is also the name of one of those racing sailboats that
> > identity politics.
is probably the heart of the book. The boats are big xebecs, which I
think implies that they are lateen-rigged. The book has a line
drawing and the boats have a couple of big lateen sails. It's been a
while since I last read the book but I think the idea is that they
were raced kind of like the old sandbaggers, by professionals, with
the boat owner looking to make money on the deal, like a race horses
owner only on a much larger scale.
Like the sandbaggers the xebecs require a large crew as live ballast
and like the sandbaggers the stress of racing sometimes causing
collisions or capsizes. Unlike the sandbaggers these are big boats,
from the line drawing in the book with a couple of human figures at
the helm I would judge somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 feet,
with large numbers of bettors/spectators/crew. Something our nanny
culture would never allow.
The book was published by Duff & Duff who are mostly boatbuilders I
believe.
> > I can hardly imagine a more "in your face" Libertarian screedthan Schorpioen.
> Is that a book (fiction) that PCB wrote?Schorpioen is a novel by PCB. I have not read it. I think it was
published privately by Peter Duff. It was advertised in Small Boat
Journal, or some similar place. Small Boat Journal also publised some
extracts for which I did not care.
PCB mentions it in one or two places in his books, including the
chapter on racing Gloucester schooner.
By-the-by, if anyone wants to build one of those schooners and take
me for a ride, I'd be most obliged.
PHV
--- In bolger@y..., amajorov@m... >
BWAOM at hand, but I recall something about it? RE: big schooners
raced around, identical designs, etc. Is this available at Amazon or
similar?
Chris
> I can hardly imagine a more "in your face" Libertarian screed thenideas
> Schorpioen. It's practically a big, raised middle finger to the
> of arm-twisting egalitarianism, sensitivity politics and racialIs that a book (fiction) that PCB wrote? I haven't got my copy of
> identity politics.
BWAOM at hand, but I recall something about it? RE: big schooners
raced around, identical designs, etc. Is this available at Amazon or
similar?
Chris
--- In bolger@y..., c_i_becker@y... wrote:
Schorpioen. It's practically a big, raised middle finger to the ideas
of arm-twisting egalitarianism, sensitivity politics and racial
identity politics.
> I know this is a little off topic, but for my own curiousity... II can hardly imagine a more "in your face" Libertarian screed then
> read somewhere, can't recall, that PCB is a 'card-carrying
> libertarian'. Can anybody support these comments?
Schorpioen. It's practically a big, raised middle finger to the ideas
of arm-twisting egalitarianism, sensitivity politics and racial
identity politics.
> I know this is a little off topic, but for my own curiousity... IFrom "The Folding Schooner", Page 195, Chapter 33 "Anchor":
> read somewhere, can't recall, that PCB is a 'card-carrying
> libertarian'.
"Nobody should buy a stockless anchor under fifty pounds," I muttered
to myself (I'm a libertarian and never say "there ought to be a
law"), and I designed an all-welded, removable-stock anchor for a
welder of my acquaintence to make.
PHV
In a message dated 04/29/2001 12:<BR27:<BR17 AM
Eastern Daylight,c_i_becker@...writes:> yeah, I think its us and
some little bum country in Africa that still
Eastern Daylight,c_i_becker@...writes:> yeah, I think its us and
some little bum country in Africa that still
> forces its constituents to vote.Argentina, too.
David,
yeah, I think its us and some little bum country in Africa that still
forces its constituents to vote. Don't get me started....
and with the Queen, yeah, she's da boss. I get real p##ssed at the
latest commercial about how Australia was federated with a vote and
not a war....at least you guys are independent.
Love your website BTW.
Chris
yeah, I think its us and some little bum country in Africa that still
forces its constituents to vote. Don't get me started....
and with the Queen, yeah, she's da boss. I get real p##ssed at the
latest commercial about how Australia was federated with a vote and
not a war....at least you guys are independent.
Love your website BTW.
Chris
Carron,
Yeah.......I have relatives in USA that I wish to meet up with soon.
My Mom is actually American.
Sorry group about the rant re: politics, etc.
Have you built any of PCB's designs, or own, liveaboard etc?
Chris
Yeah.......I have relatives in USA that I wish to meet up with soon.
My Mom is actually American.
Sorry group about the rant re: politics, etc.
Have you built any of PCB's designs, or own, liveaboard etc?
Chris
>I am in Brisbane, Queensland actually. I am currently paying off aMandatory voting? You guys still worship the queen too?
>substantial fine for not having voted in the last couple of
>elections.
-D
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In a message dated 04/29/2001 12:<BR13:<BR00 AM
Eastern Daylight,c_i_becker@...writes:> Where do you reside?
East Tennessee, near Knoxville. We shoot and hunt like old times here.
BTW, I love that Queensland "yeah" that sounds like yeeenh :-)
I was in WA for a month many years ago. they were a bunch of
independent-minded folks there. I loved it. I would have moved to Perth if I
could have managed it.
Cheers/Carron
Eastern Daylight,c_i_becker@...writes:> Where do you reside?
East Tennessee, near Knoxville. We shoot and hunt like old times here.
BTW, I love that Queensland "yeah" that sounds like yeeenh :-)
I was in WA for a month many years ago. they were a bunch of
independent-minded folks there. I loved it. I would have moved to Perth if I
could have managed it.
Cheers/Carron
> You sound like you're in WA???Carron,
> C'mon up here, mate; it's guns, guts, glory, and beer!!!
>
> Cheers/Carron
> libertarian
>
> MV "LABOR SVGIT"
I am in Brisbane, Queensland actually. I am currently paying off a
substantial fine for not having voted in the last couple of
elections....I have been described by my business associates as
either a left wing pinko nut or a missile-tip right winger?! Mate, if
everyone just kept their noses out of everybodies business, we could
spend more money and time building and sailing, and fishing and
shooting (my once-favorite pasttime...sigh).
Where do you reside?
Chris
In a message dated 04/29/2001 12:<BR03:<BR08 AM
Eastern Daylight,c_i_becker@...writes:> I have been ostracised
for my political beliefs down under, so it
C'mon up here, mate; it's guns, guts, glory, and beer!!!
Cheers/Carron
libertarian
MV "LABOR SVGIT"
Eastern Daylight,c_i_becker@...writes:> I have been ostracised
for my political beliefs down under, so it
> seems proper that I become further ostracised by the mainstreamYou sound like you're in WA???
> sailing fleet for building Bolger Boxes!
C'mon up here, mate; it's guns, guts, glory, and beer!!!
Cheers/Carron
libertarian
MV "LABOR SVGIT"
Libertarians do not carry cards. It is the rest of the xxxians and
xxxists
sailing vessels and/or a predisposition towards independent sailors.
I have been ostracised for my political beliefs down under, so it
seems proper that I become further ostracised by the mainstream
sailing fleet for building Bolger Boxes!
Chris
(Long Micro about to start, waiting for plans to arrive from US of A,
AS39 or AS29 may be next.............)
xxxists
> who are required.I guess that explains his amount of liveaboards and hard to regulate
>
> Phil's writings copiously support that assertion.
>
> Carron
> feeling that discussio of PCB *can't be* off topic on this list :-)
sailing vessels and/or a predisposition towards independent sailors.
I have been ostracised for my political beliefs down under, so it
seems proper that I become further ostracised by the mainstream
sailing fleet for building Bolger Boxes!
Chris
(Long Micro about to start, waiting for plans to arrive from US of A,
AS39 or AS29 may be next.............)
In a message dated 04/28/2001 9:<BR06:<BR35 PM
Eastern Daylight ,c_i_becker@...writes:
who are required.
Phil's writings copiously support that assertion.
Carron
feeling that discussio of PCB *can't be* off topic on this list :-)
Eastern Daylight ,c_i_becker@...writes:
> I know this is a little off topic, but for my own curiousity... ILibertarians do not carry cards. It is the rest of the xxxians and xxxists
> read somewhere, can't recall, that PCB is a 'card-carrying
> libertarian'. Can anybody support these comments?
who are required.
Phil's writings copiously support that assertion.
Carron
feeling that discussio of PCB *can't be* off topic on this list :-)
I don't know if he is a "card-carrying libertarian" but from his writings a
would say that he has libertarian leanings. Which doesn't really bother me
since I am a card-carrying member of the libertarian party:-)
Michael Surface
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would say that he has libertarian leanings. Which doesn't really bother me
since I am a card-carrying member of the libertarian party:-)
Michael Surface
>From:c_i_becker@..._________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Bolger Politics
>Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 01:05:49 -0000
>
>I know this is a little off topic, but for my own curiousity... I
>read somewhere, can't recall, that PCB is a 'card-carrying
>libertarian'. Can anybody support these comments?
>
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I know this is a little off topic, but for my own curiousity... I
read somewhere, can't recall, that PCB is a 'card-carrying
libertarian'. Can anybody support these comments?
read somewhere, can't recall, that PCB is a 'card-carrying
libertarian'. Can anybody support these comments?