Re: [bolger] Re: Sharpie opinions please
The original Skillygalley might be for sale as the owner (fritzdfk@...) is busy building the
Double Eagle. It would be an adventure worthy of serializing in MAIB getting it to Florida from
Glacier Bay Alaska.
HJ
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% Harrywelshman@...
Double Eagle. It would be an adventure worthy of serializing in MAIB getting it to Florida from
Glacier Bay Alaska.
HJ
>--
> There is a somewhat bigger version name Skillygalley.
>
> Peter
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I actually own a set of unused plans for a Fancy Free that I am
willing to sell for a reasonable price to a good home. I have no
intention of building one since my Micro is about half done. She is
so much fun to sit in :-)
David Jost
"pulling a few midnight beer runs in the cockpit after work"
willing to sell for a reasonable price to a good home. I have no
intention of building one since my Micro is about half done. She is
so much fun to sit in :-)
David Jost
"pulling a few midnight beer runs in the cockpit after work"
> Terry C
Glen-L has plans for a sharpie (Fancy Free) to meet most of your needs, draws
8" but is ballasted. Their site has pics of several finished boats, one of
which lies in Tarpon Springs, FL. She's a tradional looking gaff rigged
sloop w/ bowsprit
HTH
Terry C
8" but is ballasted. Their site has pics of several finished boats, one of
which lies in Tarpon Springs, FL. She's a tradional looking gaff rigged
sloop w/ bowsprit
HTH
Terry C
Not a Bolger, but have you seen the web site on Wes Gardner's
sharpie? No plans, but there are sketches.
http://web.wt.net/~tbertw/wessharpie.htm
sharpie? No plans, but there are sketches.
http://web.wt.net/~tbertw/wessharpie.htm
--- In bolger@y..., quirk@a... wrote:
> I am new here but I am looking for advice
>
> I am going to build a sharpie. I want it to look very traditional
(so
> the micro line is out), use a traditional rig, be very light
> (unballasted), use leeboards or an offset cb, be in the 20-25 ft
> range, rowed easily, and as easy as possible to build. I plan on
> scarfing the plywood into continous lengths and sheathing it in
epoxy
> and fiberglass. The primary use will be as a camp cruiser for 1-4
> people (2 adults and 2 children) in the rivers, gulf coast, and
keys
> of Florida.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thankyou
>
> Ken
I can't believe I forgot to mention "Summer Ease", a 23ft Bolger traditional looking sharpie yawl(maybe a
little Chesapeake traditional look). Center board and water ballast, written up in MAIB. I bought the
plans but then came across a Freedom 21 with all the trimmings, outboard and Triad trailer for less than
I could build the boat. You might write or fax PCB for details. Clyde
"Clyde S. Wisner" wrote:
little Chesapeake traditional look). Center board and water ballast, written up in MAIB. I bought the
plans but then came across a Freedom 21 with all the trimmings, outboard and Triad trailer for less than
I could build the boat. You might write or fax PCB for details. Clyde
"Clyde S. Wisner" wrote:
> Get Rueul Parker's Sharpie Book, which is derived somewhat from Chapell's "Smallcraft". Mr Bolger
> has some awfully nice looking craft which are not boxes also. See if the library has "30 Odd Boats" I
> think it is. Clyde
>
>quirk@...wrote:
>
> > I am new here but I am looking for advice
> >
> > I am going to build a sharpie. I want it to look very traditional (so
> > the micro line is out), use a traditional rig, be very light
> > (unballasted), use leeboards or an offset cb, be in the 20-25 ft
> > range, rowed easily, and as easy as possible to build. I plan on
> > scarfing the plywood into continous lengths and sheathing it in epoxy
> > and fiberglass. The primary use will be as a camp cruiser for 1-4
> > people (2 adults and 2 children) in the rivers, gulf coast, and keys
> > of Florida.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thankyou
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> > - no flogging dead horses
> > - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> > - stay on topic and punctuate
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
In a message dated 5/8/2001 2:28:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
quirk@...writes:
<< be very light
(unballasted), use leeboards or an offset cb, be in the 20-25 ft
range, rowed easily, and as easy as possible to build. >>
Don't know that 20-25 ft and unballasted go together very well. I think that
big sharpies usually need some pretty substantial ballast. Steve
quirk@...writes:
<< be very light
(unballasted), use leeboards or an offset cb, be in the 20-25 ft
range, rowed easily, and as easy as possible to build. >>
Don't know that 20-25 ft and unballasted go together very well. I think that
big sharpies usually need some pretty substantial ballast. Steve
A couple of points "traditional sharpie" and
"comfort" don't belong
in the same sentence. Cabin accommodations, if any, will be pretty
minimal, but I think you know that already. Also, any boat that will
camp-cruise four comfortably (even if two of them are small) will not
row all that easily, no matter how light, and progress against any
sort of breeze or current will be slow and, um . . good exercise.
I'm assuming that the oars are just for when the wind dies.
So, several possibilities: You could build an actual traditional New
Haven sharpie. There are lots of plans in Howard
Chapelle's "American Small Sailing Craft", and
larger-scale plans are available from the Smithsonian for not much
money. Any traditional sharpie can be built in plywood without much
trouble; even that round stern could be done in, say, three or four
layers of 1/8" plywood and epoxy. If you go that route, you
might want to do something better than that awful rudder they had.
Reuel Parker has quite a few very nice traditional-looking sharpie
designs, and he's from Florida, so should know the local
conditions as well as anybody. If you don't already have a copy,
I'd seriously recommend "The Sharpie Book". The one in
the first
link REALLY gets my boat lust going:
http://www.parker-marine.com/sharpie27page.htm
http://www.parker-marine.com/
As far as Bolger designs go, I might suggest the Birdwatcher design,
but it's a very long way from traditional. Here is Jim
Michalak's page on Birdwatcher, although the pictures don't
seem to be working right now:
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/page3.htm
The Birdwatcher's predecessor was a production fiberglass boat
called Dovekie, made by Edy and Duff, but also not even slightly
traditional.
http://aingram.educ.kent.edu/sailing/dovespec.htm
Perhaps a Black Skimmer? They're much prettier, and have enough
space, but they're really too big to row. Leeboards are not
traditional on a sharpie, BTW. See the following:
http://www.instantboats.com/bskim.html
http://ace.net.au/schooner/bskimmer.htm
Chesapeake Light Craft has a really nice-looking 18' open
sharpie, although that might be a wee bit small for what you want:
http://www.clcboats.com/sharpie.php3
Bruce Kirby's Norwalk Island Sharpies are very highly regarded,
although they're somewhat more complex due to the larger cabins.
They come in several sizes.
http://pages.slic.com/wempsall/home.htm
George Strayer had a very pretty design for a traditional sharpie
named "Annie", around 24' if I remember right, with a
small cabin. I have the study plans somewhere, but I can find
neither a web site nor an address, unfortunately.
Karl Stambaugh has a few interesting shallow-draft designs; the
Windward 21 might be of interest,
http://www.cmdboats.com/smlboat.htmbut alas no picture.
B&B's Core Sound 20 has always appealed to me. Even though
it's not really a sharpie, it sort of looks like one, and might
work for your application.
http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/cs20.htm
Sorry for blathering on so long. Hope this helps.
Keith Wilson
"comfort" don't belong
in the same sentence. Cabin accommodations, if any, will be pretty
minimal, but I think you know that already. Also, any boat that will
camp-cruise four comfortably (even if two of them are small) will not
row all that easily, no matter how light, and progress against any
sort of breeze or current will be slow and, um . . good exercise.
I'm assuming that the oars are just for when the wind dies.
So, several possibilities: You could build an actual traditional New
Haven sharpie. There are lots of plans in Howard
Chapelle's "American Small Sailing Craft", and
larger-scale plans are available from the Smithsonian for not much
money. Any traditional sharpie can be built in plywood without much
trouble; even that round stern could be done in, say, three or four
layers of 1/8" plywood and epoxy. If you go that route, you
might want to do something better than that awful rudder they had.
Reuel Parker has quite a few very nice traditional-looking sharpie
designs, and he's from Florida, so should know the local
conditions as well as anybody. If you don't already have a copy,
I'd seriously recommend "The Sharpie Book". The one in
the first
link REALLY gets my boat lust going:
http://www.parker-marine.com/sharpie27page.htm
http://www.parker-marine.com/
As far as Bolger designs go, I might suggest the Birdwatcher design,
but it's a very long way from traditional. Here is Jim
Michalak's page on Birdwatcher, although the pictures don't
seem to be working right now:
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/page3.htm
The Birdwatcher's predecessor was a production fiberglass boat
called Dovekie, made by Edy and Duff, but also not even slightly
traditional.
http://aingram.educ.kent.edu/sailing/dovespec.htm
Perhaps a Black Skimmer? They're much prettier, and have enough
space, but they're really too big to row. Leeboards are not
traditional on a sharpie, BTW. See the following:
http://www.instantboats.com/bskim.html
http://ace.net.au/schooner/bskimmer.htm
Chesapeake Light Craft has a really nice-looking 18' open
sharpie, although that might be a wee bit small for what you want:
http://www.clcboats.com/sharpie.php3
Bruce Kirby's Norwalk Island Sharpies are very highly regarded,
although they're somewhat more complex due to the larger cabins.
They come in several sizes.
http://pages.slic.com/wempsall/home.htm
George Strayer had a very pretty design for a traditional sharpie
named "Annie", around 24' if I remember right, with a
small cabin. I have the study plans somewhere, but I can find
neither a web site nor an address, unfortunately.
Karl Stambaugh has a few interesting shallow-draft designs; the
Windward 21 might be of interest,
http://www.cmdboats.com/smlboat.htmbut alas no picture.
B&B's Core Sound 20 has always appealed to me. Even though
it's not really a sharpie, it sort of looks like one, and might
work for your application.
http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/cs20.htm
Sorry for blathering on so long. Hope this helps.
Keith Wilson
--- In bolger@y..., quirk@a... wrote:
> I am going to build a sharpie. I want it to look very
> traditional . . use a traditional rig, be very light
> (unballasted), use leeboards or an offset cb, be in the 20-25 ft
> range, rowed easily, and as easy as possible to build. . . . The
>primary use will be as a camp cruiser for 1-4
> people (2 adults and 2 children) in the rivers, gulf coast,
> and keys of Florida.
> Any suggestions?
>From:quirk@...In the size you mentioned the Surf would be one possiblity info availible at
>
>I am new here but I am looking for advice
>
>I am going to build a sharpie. I want it to look very traditional (so
>the micro line is out), use a traditional rig, be very light
>(unballasted), use leeboards or an offset cb, be in the 20-25 ft
>range, rowed easily, and as easy as possible to build. I plan on
>scarfing the plywood into continous lengths and sheathing it in epoxy
>and fiberglass. The primary use will be as a camp cruiser for 1-4
>people (2 adults and 2 children) in the rivers, gulf coast, and keys
>of Florida.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Thankyou
>
>Ken
>
http://www.instantboats.com/surf.htm
The instant boat site has other designs that maybe of interest to you.
Michael Surface
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> The primary use will be as a camp cruiser for 1-4keys of Florida.
> people (2 adults and 2 children) in the rivers, gulf coast, and
Be sure to check out the Bolger Black Skimmer:
http://www.instantboats.com/bskim.html
At one time, a charter company rented out a Black Skimmer on Florida
Bay. The yawl rig is not as traditional as a ketch rig would be, but
it is a very good looking boat. Bolger claims that these boats will
sail rings around an Egret sharpie, and I don't doubt it.
There is a somewhat bigger version name Skillygalley.
Peter
Bolger's OTTER II looks pretty traditional. Search the archives for
this group for it, I seem to remember that Mr. Bolger was somehow
disatisfied with it.
I saw John Harris's Sharpie at a Chesapeake Light Craft event last
weekend. It's a nice looking boat and may fit your bill.
Regards
Andy Farquhar
this group for it, I seem to remember that Mr. Bolger was somehow
disatisfied with it.
I saw John Harris's Sharpie at a Chesapeake Light Craft event last
weekend. It's a nice looking boat and may fit your bill.
Regards
Andy Farquhar
Get Rueul Parker's Sharpie Book, which is derived somewhat from Chapell's "Smallcraft". Mr Bolger
has some awfully nice looking craft which are not boxes also. See if the library has "30 Odd Boats" I
think it is. Clyde
quirk@...wrote:
has some awfully nice looking craft which are not boxes also. See if the library has "30 Odd Boats" I
think it is. Clyde
quirk@...wrote:
> I am new here but I am looking for advice
>
> I am going to build a sharpie. I want it to look very traditional (so
> the micro line is out), use a traditional rig, be very light
> (unballasted), use leeboards or an offset cb, be in the 20-25 ft
> range, rowed easily, and as easy as possible to build. I plan on
> scarfing the plywood into continous lengths and sheathing it in epoxy
> and fiberglass. The primary use will be as a camp cruiser for 1-4
> people (2 adults and 2 children) in the rivers, gulf coast, and keys
> of Florida.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thankyou
>
> Ken
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Tryhttp://www.parker-marine.com/-- Reuel Parker designs just what you
describe. Also have a look at his "The Sharpie Book" which has a number of
designs in the back, and his "New Cold-Molded Boatbuilding" (I think that's
right) which describes his building methods. Be warned that these
traditional appearing designs are not generally considered to be as
seaworthy as PCB's Micro (or advanced sharpie) types, but I agree they're
easier on the eye. You'll want to avoid bad weather with the family aboard
anyway.
Good Luck,
Jamie Orr
(Chebacco sailor)
-----Original Message-----
From:quirk@...[mailto:quirk@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:15 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Sharpie opinions please
I am new here but I am looking for advice
I am going to build a sharpie. I want it to look very traditional (so
the micro line is out), use a traditional rig, be very light
(unballasted), use leeboards or an offset cb, be in the 20-25 ft
range, rowed easily, and as easy as possible to build. I plan on
scarfing the plywood into continous lengths and sheathing it in epoxy
and fiberglass. The primary use will be as a camp cruiser for 1-4
people (2 adults and 2 children) in the rivers, gulf coast, and keys
of Florida.
Any suggestions?
Thankyou
Ken
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
describe. Also have a look at his "The Sharpie Book" which has a number of
designs in the back, and his "New Cold-Molded Boatbuilding" (I think that's
right) which describes his building methods. Be warned that these
traditional appearing designs are not generally considered to be as
seaworthy as PCB's Micro (or advanced sharpie) types, but I agree they're
easier on the eye. You'll want to avoid bad weather with the family aboard
anyway.
Good Luck,
Jamie Orr
(Chebacco sailor)
-----Original Message-----
From:quirk@...[mailto:quirk@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:15 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Sharpie opinions please
I am new here but I am looking for advice
I am going to build a sharpie. I want it to look very traditional (so
the micro line is out), use a traditional rig, be very light
(unballasted), use leeboards or an offset cb, be in the 20-25 ft
range, rowed easily, and as easy as possible to build. I plan on
scarfing the plywood into continous lengths and sheathing it in epoxy
and fiberglass. The primary use will be as a camp cruiser for 1-4
people (2 adults and 2 children) in the rivers, gulf coast, and keys
of Florida.
Any suggestions?
Thankyou
Ken
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
I am new here but I am looking for advice
I am going to build a sharpie. I want it to look very traditional (so
the micro line is out), use a traditional rig, be very light
(unballasted), use leeboards or an offset cb, be in the 20-25 ft
range, rowed easily, and as easy as possible to build. I plan on
scarfing the plywood into continous lengths and sheathing it in epoxy
and fiberglass. The primary use will be as a camp cruiser for 1-4
people (2 adults and 2 children) in the rivers, gulf coast, and keys
of Florida.
Any suggestions?
Thankyou
Ken
I am going to build a sharpie. I want it to look very traditional (so
the micro line is out), use a traditional rig, be very light
(unballasted), use leeboards or an offset cb, be in the 20-25 ft
range, rowed easily, and as easy as possible to build. I plan on
scarfing the plywood into continous lengths and sheathing it in epoxy
and fiberglass. The primary use will be as a camp cruiser for 1-4
people (2 adults and 2 children) in the rivers, gulf coast, and keys
of Florida.
Any suggestions?
Thankyou
Ken