Re: Electric Pirogue?
Hi,
Has anyone taken a look at Black River Boats website? Here is the
address;http://apollo.intrstar.net/~brb/index.html
Really worth a look. His book explains how to rig the motor and
maintain a margin of balance. I have seen one of his boats in North
Carolina during an antique hunting excussion with my wife. Nice, real
nice! I wanted to buy one, but that was about 10 years ago and I
really couldn't even afford the straps to tie it to my roof back
then. Now that I have a few extra bucks, I am spending them on
materials to build my own boats.
Good luck with the electric motor. I love mine, quite is the way to
go. When I can afford it, I am going to buy one of Ray Electrics
Outoards;http://www.rayeo.com/and mount it on the Bantam 16/20
(that I am planning to build in the next year). Now these are
electric motors of the Tim Allen kind...more power - less noise!
Rich
Has anyone taken a look at Black River Boats website? Here is the
address;http://apollo.intrstar.net/~brb/index.html
Really worth a look. His book explains how to rig the motor and
maintain a margin of balance. I have seen one of his boats in North
Carolina during an antique hunting excussion with my wife. Nice, real
nice! I wanted to buy one, but that was about 10 years ago and I
really couldn't even afford the straps to tie it to my roof back
then. Now that I have a few extra bucks, I am spending them on
materials to build my own boats.
Good luck with the electric motor. I love mine, quite is the way to
go. When I can afford it, I am going to buy one of Ray Electrics
Outoards;http://www.rayeo.com/and mount it on the Bantam 16/20
(that I am planning to build in the next year). Now these are
electric motors of the Tim Allen kind...more power - less noise!
Rich
Peter,
Thanks for the comments.
Yeah, I can just see my almost 20' Pirogue, lightly rockered, in
whitewater. Ouch.
Back in my much younger days I bought a 16' Folbot completely
believing the literature about negotiating fierce whitewater and
bouncing off of rocks and snags, totally unscathed. The boat was
ordered as "blue deck fabric with harmonizing hull color." The
harmonizing color was lavender. That got the boat nicknamed "The
Lavender Banana." Taking it up to the Dead River in Maine one local
guide asked where we were taking out so he could send a dump truck to
collect the remains. We put in the class 1 area below Flagstaff Lake
and within a half mile gently thumped a rock. A piece of stringer
went flying out of the boat never to be seen again. After learning
how to patch a tear in the hull the rest of the trip (mostly
flatwater) was completed without incident. Back to the canoe after
that.
On Storm Petrel, I really like the design. However, after building a
model and thinking about it some more, a keeled boat doesn't fit my
most frequent needs and neither does Micro. My newly cabined Shell
Swifty 14 will fill the requirements in the interim but I've decided
that something that has a bit of interior room and headroom (not as
agile as I used to be) is more urgent. I've got some thoughts but
nothing fully formed yet. But, I do have to make up my mind quickly
as I'll be in need of a new project soon.
Steve
Thanks for the comments.
Yeah, I can just see my almost 20' Pirogue, lightly rockered, in
whitewater. Ouch.
Back in my much younger days I bought a 16' Folbot completely
believing the literature about negotiating fierce whitewater and
bouncing off of rocks and snags, totally unscathed. The boat was
ordered as "blue deck fabric with harmonizing hull color." The
harmonizing color was lavender. That got the boat nicknamed "The
Lavender Banana." Taking it up to the Dead River in Maine one local
guide asked where we were taking out so he could send a dump truck to
collect the remains. We put in the class 1 area below Flagstaff Lake
and within a half mile gently thumped a rock. A piece of stringer
went flying out of the boat never to be seen again. After learning
how to patch a tear in the hull the rest of the trip (mostly
flatwater) was completed without incident. Back to the canoe after
that.
On Storm Petrel, I really like the design. However, after building a
model and thinking about it some more, a keeled boat doesn't fit my
most frequent needs and neither does Micro. My newly cabined Shell
Swifty 14 will fill the requirements in the interim but I've decided
that something that has a bit of interior room and headroom (not as
agile as I used to be) is more urgent. I've got some thoughts but
nothing fully formed yet. But, I do have to make up my mind quickly
as I'll be in need of a new project soon.
Steve
--- In bolger@y..., ellengaest@b... wrote:
> Steve,
> Very nice web page you've got there!With all the recent
postings
> about the Pirogue,my interest in this boat keeps on growing.It
> certainly sounds like a fine snooping about craft capable of taking
> care of itself.
> Had you come up just a few miles further North on the Richelieu
> River,you could have tried your Pirogue in the Chambly rapids where
> they had some kind of white-water competition going on today.With
the
> water levels high,the excitement would have been grande.A spray
skirt
> would be needed however.
> Finally,I noticed your interest in the Bolger STORM PETREL
> design.For just a wee bit more effort,you could get yourself a
finer
> little cruiser in the form of a MICRO.She would make a superb
platform
> from which to engage in fun adventures with your children.The best
> part is that neither you nor the kids could easily out-grow
her.With
> Lake Champlain or the coast of Maine as her cruising grounds,I
doubt
> you could exhaust the many nifty cruising nooks available on these
> waters.
> Happy Boating to you!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan
Steve,
Very nice web page you've got there!With all the recent postings
about the Pirogue,my interest in this boat keeps on growing.It
certainly sounds like a fine snooping about craft capable of taking
care of itself.
Had you come up just a few miles further North on the Richelieu
River,you could have tried your Pirogue in the Chambly rapids where
they had some kind of white-water competition going on today.With the
water levels high,the excitement would have been grande.A spray skirt
would be needed however.
Finally,I noticed your interest in the Bolger STORM PETREL
design.For just a wee bit more effort,you could get yourself a finer
little cruiser in the form of a MICRO.She would make a superb platform
from which to engage in fun adventures with your children.The best
part is that neither you nor the kids could easily out-grow her.With
Lake Champlain or the coast of Maine as her cruising grounds,I doubt
you could exhaust the many nifty cruising nooks available on these
waters.
Happy Boating to you!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,watching the sun set through a halo of smog,on the
shores of the St.Lawrence.............
Very nice web page you've got there!With all the recent postings
about the Pirogue,my interest in this boat keeps on growing.It
certainly sounds like a fine snooping about craft capable of taking
care of itself.
Had you come up just a few miles further North on the Richelieu
River,you could have tried your Pirogue in the Chambly rapids where
they had some kind of white-water competition going on today.With the
water levels high,the excitement would have been grande.A spray skirt
would be needed however.
Finally,I noticed your interest in the Bolger STORM PETREL
design.For just a wee bit more effort,you could get yourself a finer
little cruiser in the form of a MICRO.She would make a superb platform
from which to engage in fun adventures with your children.The best
part is that neither you nor the kids could easily out-grow her.With
Lake Champlain or the coast of Maine as her cruising grounds,I doubt
you could exhaust the many nifty cruising nooks available on these
waters.
Happy Boating to you!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,watching the sun set through a halo of smog,on the
shores of the St.Lawrence.............
--- In bolger@y..., shansen@t... wrote:
> My Pirogue is the one at
>http://www.tiac.net/users/shansen/belljar/boat.htm
>
> As far as electric vs oars vs paddles my preferences seem to work
out
> as follows:
>
> Just me: row
> My wife and me: electric or paddle
>
> We just got back from a couple of days in northern Vermont. Spent
> Friday on the Missisquoi River Delta area at the very top of Lake
> Champlain. We always carry 2 paddles and oars whether we have the
> electric or not. We planned to do the entire trip using the electric
> but about 3 miles from the put in the electric (a 10 year old Minn
> Kota "3hp" saltwater motor) started to make some weird noises and
the
> prop slowed down quite a bit. We finished with paddle power.
>
> LaterI took the motor apart and found that a small sliver of the
> ceramic magnet had chipped off, got ground up and then the pieces
> lodged around the armature. Looks fixable but I doubt I'll ever get
> all of the ceramic dust out.
>
> Anyway, the electric is great when you just want to focus on the
> surroundings.
>
> Steve
My Pirogue is the one at
http://www.tiac.net/users/shansen/belljar/boat.htm
As far as electric vs oars vs paddles my preferences seem to work out
as follows:
Just me: row
My wife and me: electric or paddle
We just got back from a couple of days in northern Vermont. Spent
Friday on the Missisquoi River Delta area at the very top of Lake
Champlain. We always carry 2 paddles and oars whether we have the
electric or not. We planned to do the entire trip using the electric
but about 3 miles from the put in the electric (a 10 year old Minn
Kota "3hp" saltwater motor) started to make some weird noises and the
prop slowed down quite a bit. We finished with paddle power.
LaterI took the motor apart and found that a small sliver of the
ceramic magnet had chipped off, got ground up and then the pieces
lodged around the armature. Looks fixable but I doubt I'll ever get
all of the ceramic dust out.
Anyway, the electric is great when you just want to focus on the
surroundings.
Steve
http://www.tiac.net/users/shansen/belljar/boat.htm
As far as electric vs oars vs paddles my preferences seem to work out
as follows:
Just me: row
My wife and me: electric or paddle
We just got back from a couple of days in northern Vermont. Spent
Friday on the Missisquoi River Delta area at the very top of Lake
Champlain. We always carry 2 paddles and oars whether we have the
electric or not. We planned to do the entire trip using the electric
but about 3 miles from the put in the electric (a 10 year old Minn
Kota "3hp" saltwater motor) started to make some weird noises and the
prop slowed down quite a bit. We finished with paddle power.
LaterI took the motor apart and found that a small sliver of the
ceramic magnet had chipped off, got ground up and then the pieces
lodged around the armature. Looks fixable but I doubt I'll ever get
all of the ceramic dust out.
Anyway, the electric is great when you just want to focus on the
surroundings.
Steve
In a message dated 5/12/01 6:02:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
pateson@... writes:
pateson@... writes:
The added weight will make it theoretically slower, but not by much,
I've contemplated Douglas Little's "Electric Boats", (International
Marine/McGraw Hill) on occassion. His designs are basically "electric
pirogues", albeit somewhat elaborate and single purpose, but do not differ in
principle from just clamping a MinnKota on a pirogue and going. The
consequences of swamping one of these gives me some pause.
(1)He does not discuss flotation at all. Perhaps this is not an issue, given
prudent use in the conditions where such a boat would be desirable, but I
have a poor track record in the prudence department, despite my inherent
timidity and best intentions. It doesn't take too much imagination to imagine
getting pinned upstream of a rock, snag or sweeper with predictable initial
consequences. He gives 60# as the weight of a 105 A/h deep-cycle battery, so
the volume of flotation required to keep the boat afloat wouldn't appear
exorbitant, but its distribution might critical to recovery in the event of a
capsize. (and whether the battery is secured or not)
(2) I imagine that water over the battery terminals would result in a closed
circuit and prompt discharge of the battery. This might be pretty hard on the
battery. Immersion might not be not so good for the electronic speed control
either. This could make a capsize, apart from any other consequences, an
expensive event.
That being said, the ability to navigate shallow waters without the splashing
and flashing of a paddle and hands free for binoculars or camera is certainly
an appealing concept.
Bill in MN
I tend to agree with the others, to just use oars. Just as fast,
and more fun, and better for your health and don't have to lug
batties (Should have two unless you plan on short trips. Don't
leave the oars on shore, you might need them.)
But I also have no problem with putting an electric motor on it.
You can see where you are going, as opposed to rowing, unless
you use a double paddle, and face forward, and is kind of cool to
just sit back and watch the world go by.
I've done both, with similar boats. If expense is no problem, and
you have a way of recharging the batteries, then go for it.
The added weight will make it theoretically slower, but not by much,
but the added weight will let you carry way, more easily.
Make sure you buy one of the newer, more expensive electric motors
with electronic "Speed Control", rather that the older reostat
type. They will give you a lot more time on a battery, since
you will probably be running at a low motor setting, as the speed
of the boat is going to be determined by hull speed, and more
power will only make a bigger hole in the water.
Good luck
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
and more fun, and better for your health and don't have to lug
batties (Should have two unless you plan on short trips. Don't
leave the oars on shore, you might need them.)
But I also have no problem with putting an electric motor on it.
You can see where you are going, as opposed to rowing, unless
you use a double paddle, and face forward, and is kind of cool to
just sit back and watch the world go by.
I've done both, with similar boats. If expense is no problem, and
you have a way of recharging the batteries, then go for it.
The added weight will make it theoretically slower, but not by much,
but the added weight will let you carry way, more easily.
Make sure you buy one of the newer, more expensive electric motors
with electronic "Speed Control", rather that the older reostat
type. They will give you a lot more time on a battery, since
you will probably be running at a low motor setting, as the speed
of the boat is going to be determined by hull speed, and more
power will only make a bigger hole in the water.
Good luck
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
You might find it useful to check message 6331 in the Group Archives
for Mark Albanese's posting about his ElectroSprint, and follow the
string.
John
for Mark Albanese's posting about his ElectroSprint, and follow the
string.
John
--- In bolger@y..., "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@h...> wrote:
> Hi group, I'm contemplating putting an electric troling motor on my
Pirogue.
> I've been looking at motors in the 30 to 45lb. thrust range. The
boat weighs
> 95lbs. and normal load would be around 350lbs.(2 crew and gear)
Anyone have
> experience in a similar type boat? ( Surf, June Bug, Teal ect.) Use
would be
> for some of the large lakes around here, so rough water would
probably not
> be a factor. Practical idea? Safe? I look forward to any thoughts
the group
> may have. Thanks Phil
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Bruce, Thanks for the interesting link! Did you notice how big the boat
looked when empty, then seemed to shrink down in the photo with crew? Mine
does that too! Will continue to weigh the pros and cons of electric power.
Thanks again. Phil T
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looked when empty, then seemed to shrink down in the photo with crew? Mine
does that too! Will continue to weigh the pros and cons of electric power.
Thanks again. Phil T
>From:bgbeck55@..._________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Electric Pirogue?
>Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 23:20:36 -0000
>
> Phil,
> Don't let these other fellows disuade you. Go to
>
>http://www.tiac.net/users/shansen/belljar/boat.htm
>
> There you'll find Steve Hansen's Pirogue described
> and pictured. Also check out MAIB 04/15/01 pages
> 22 through 25. While not the Bolger Prirogue, it's
> a similar project.
> Cheers!
> Bruce
>
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Phil,
Don't let these other fellows disuade you. Go to
http://www.tiac.net/users/shansen/belljar/boat.htm
There you'll find Steve Hansen's Pirogue described
and pictured. Also check out MAIB 04/15/01 pages
22 through 25. While not the Bolger Prirogue, it's
a similar project.
Cheers!
Bruce
Don't let these other fellows disuade you. Go to
http://www.tiac.net/users/shansen/belljar/boat.htm
There you'll find Steve Hansen's Pirogue described
and pictured. Also check out MAIB 04/15/01 pages
22 through 25. While not the Bolger Prirogue, it's
a similar project.
Cheers!
Bruce
I haven't seen anything specifically about a pirogue, but Boatbuilder had an
article about trolling motor power for a narrow sharpie. I'll print some
info as soon as I can find it.
Regards,
Warren
In a message dated 5/10/2001 4:05:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philt54@...writes:
<< i group, I'm contemplating putting an electric troling motor on my
Pirogue.
I've been looking at motors in the 30 to 45lb. thrust range. The boat weighs
95lbs. and normal load would be around 350lbs.(2 crew and gear) Anyone have
experience in a similar type boat? ( Surf, June Bug, Teal ect.) Use would be
for some of the large lakes around here, so rough water would probably not
be a factor. Practical idea? Safe? I look forward to any thoughts the group
may have. Thanks Phil >>
article about trolling motor power for a narrow sharpie. I'll print some
info as soon as I can find it.
Regards,
Warren
In a message dated 5/10/2001 4:05:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philt54@...writes:
<< i group, I'm contemplating putting an electric troling motor on my
Pirogue.
I've been looking at motors in the 30 to 45lb. thrust range. The boat weighs
95lbs. and normal load would be around 350lbs.(2 crew and gear) Anyone have
experience in a similar type boat? ( Surf, June Bug, Teal ect.) Use would be
for some of the large lakes around here, so rough water would probably not
be a factor. Practical idea? Safe? I look forward to any thoughts the group
may have. Thanks Phil >>
Are you sure that it's worth the hassle? I've found that rowing is a very easy way to get around for at least several miles unless I'm fighting a pretty significant headwind. If there's no headwind it's easier than walking. That's based on experience with a Nymph, a Brick, a Roar 2 (Michalak design, 14' long) and a couple of other boats, all with one person on the oars and at least 400 lb load. I admit I wouldn't want to go as far in the Brick as in the others, however I was able to get the Brick upwind against at least 20mph wind for maybe a mile. THAT wasn't so easy, and at that point, technique became important. Anyway, oars have a lot of advantages. Depending on the boat, you ought to be able to make 2 to 4 mph.
--- In bolger@y..., "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@h...> wrote:
> Hi group, I'm contemplating putting an electric troling motor on my Pirogue.
> I've been looking at motors in the 30 to 45lb. thrust range. The boat weighs
> 95lbs. and normal load would be around 350lbs.(2 crew and gear) Anyone have
> experience in a similar type boat? ( Surf, June Bug, Teal ect.) Use would be
> for some of the large lakes around here, so rough water would probably not
> be a factor. Practical idea? Safe? I look forward to any thoughts the group
> may have. Thanks Phil
> _________________________________________________________________
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I did some testing with one of my pirogues. Worked ok, with a couple
of points:
The motor drove the 50lb pirogue the same speed as it drove the 800lb
sailboat. These motors are way under pitched for driving a light boat.
(One of these days I'll make a higher pitch prop and see what one can
do)
Also, putting a motor and a 80lb battery on a pirogue kinda limits
the impulse factor. If you can't haul the boat from the truck, with
paddle and vest, in one trip and be in the water in a minute or so,
what's the point?
I would say the hassle of hooking up the motor and hauling the
battery are not worth it unless you are planing a long trip. And, if
you are planning a long trip, a trolling motor on a pirogue is not
the way to go.
of points:
The motor drove the 50lb pirogue the same speed as it drove the 800lb
sailboat. These motors are way under pitched for driving a light boat.
(One of these days I'll make a higher pitch prop and see what one can
do)
Also, putting a motor and a 80lb battery on a pirogue kinda limits
the impulse factor. If you can't haul the boat from the truck, with
paddle and vest, in one trip and be in the water in a minute or so,
what's the point?
I would say the hassle of hooking up the motor and hauling the
battery are not worth it unless you are planing a long trip. And, if
you are planning a long trip, a trolling motor on a pirogue is not
the way to go.
--- In bolger@y..., "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@h...> wrote:
> Hi group, I'm contemplating putting an electric troling motor on my
Pirogue.
> I've been looking at motors in the 30 to 45lb. thrust range. The
boat weighs
> 95lbs. and normal load would be around 350lbs.(2 crew and gear)
Anyone have
> experience in a similar type boat? ( Surf, June Bug, Teal ect.) Use
would be
> for some of the large lakes around here, so rough water would
probably not
> be a factor. Practical idea? Safe? I look forward to any thoughts
the group
> may have. Thanks Phil
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer athttp://explorer.msn.com
Hi group, I'm contemplating putting an electric troling motor on my Pirogue.
I've been looking at motors in the 30 to 45lb. thrust range. The boat weighs
95lbs. and normal load would be around 350lbs.(2 crew and gear) Anyone have
experience in a similar type boat? ( Surf, June Bug, Teal ect.) Use would be
for some of the large lakes around here, so rough water would probably not
be a factor. Practical idea? Safe? I look forward to any thoughts the group
may have. Thanks Phil
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I've been looking at motors in the 30 to 45lb. thrust range. The boat weighs
95lbs. and normal load would be around 350lbs.(2 crew and gear) Anyone have
experience in a similar type boat? ( Surf, June Bug, Teal ect.) Use would be
for some of the large lakes around here, so rough water would probably not
be a factor. Practical idea? Safe? I look forward to any thoughts the group
may have. Thanks Phil
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