Re: AS-39/Loose Moose II displacement
From: "david galvin" <porcupine@...>
too...so when one has an AS29 built of gaboon (okume)
ply throughout, that's floating 2" above her lines even
with the designed ballast + another 1/4 ton of trimming
ballast + a mountain of junk on board, odd things
happen with her performance. And the boat having been
built of very light timber (correct dimensions, just
light), one is faced with having to load another ton of
ballast just to bring her down on her lines. I've yet
to do it, but it has to be...
Moral: don't be _too_ alarmed if your boat comes out
heavier than designed...
--
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> I doubt there's a cruisingAnd the deisgner assumes thats what's going to happen,
>sailor out there who knows what his boat actually weighs. It almost
>certainly weighs more than the designer had hoped it would.
too...so when one has an AS29 built of gaboon (okume)
ply throughout, that's floating 2" above her lines even
with the designed ballast + another 1/4 ton of trimming
ballast + a mountain of junk on board, odd things
happen with her performance. And the boat having been
built of very light timber (correct dimensions, just
light), one is faced with having to load another ton of
ballast just to bring her down on her lines. I've yet
to do it, but it has to be...
Moral: don't be _too_ alarmed if your boat comes out
heavier than designed...
--
Tim & Flying Tadpole
----------------------------------
The Light Schooner Website
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/index.htm
SquareBoats!http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/sbhome.htm
Bolger Boats netted!
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/sites2.htm
(All updated in April 2001. Really.)
****Warning: SemiRant Mode is ON (please don't take this too
seriously)****
Geezums, Bill (& Everybody), I never claimed to be deadly accurate.
Besides, my figures, derived from memory and a little algebra, without
reference to conversion charts, plans or anything else, came within
300 lbs. of yours. That's about a 3% difference. Statistically
significant, perhaps, but hardly profound in an 38' cruising sailboat.
300 lbs. is enough to sink the hull about a centimeter, or about the
thickness of a pencil line on plan scale. Not bad for an addled fifty
year old brain to come up with at 04:00 by the light of a gibbous
moon.... ;o)
Really, this stuff isn't rocket science. I doubt there's a cruising
sailor out there who knows what his boat actually weighs. It almost
certainly weighs more than the designer had hoped it would. I
understand that Captain Nat used to have every stick and nail put on a
scale before it went into a vessel at the Herreshoff yard, but that
was (and is) the exception. Besides, even Captain Nat couldn't control
what the owner stuffed into the boat after delivery. If I owned a
*Loose Moose II* (or a *Bounty*), it would be loaded with enough junk
to bring it more than ten centimeters below that hopeful DWL. That's
why you paint a boottop on, I think....
(SemiRant Mode OFF)
Now, does anyone know if Bolger has drawn up a plywood version of
*Bounty*? I'm getting a very dangerous idea <g>....
porky
seriously)****
Geezums, Bill (& Everybody), I never claimed to be deadly accurate.
Besides, my figures, derived from memory and a little algebra, without
reference to conversion charts, plans or anything else, came within
300 lbs. of yours. That's about a 3% difference. Statistically
significant, perhaps, but hardly profound in an 38' cruising sailboat.
300 lbs. is enough to sink the hull about a centimeter, or about the
thickness of a pencil line on plan scale. Not bad for an addled fifty
year old brain to come up with at 04:00 by the light of a gibbous
moon.... ;o)
Really, this stuff isn't rocket science. I doubt there's a cruising
sailor out there who knows what his boat actually weighs. It almost
certainly weighs more than the designer had hoped it would. I
understand that Captain Nat used to have every stick and nail put on a
scale before it went into a vessel at the Herreshoff yard, but that
was (and is) the exception. Besides, even Captain Nat couldn't control
what the owner stuffed into the boat after delivery. If I owned a
*Loose Moose II* (or a *Bounty*), it would be loaded with enough junk
to bring it more than ten centimeters below that hopeful DWL. That's
why you paint a boottop on, I think....
(SemiRant Mode OFF)
Now, does anyone know if Bolger has drawn up a plywood version of
*Bounty*? I'm getting a very dangerous idea <g>....
porky
--- In bolger@y..., Bill Wallace <wwostar@h...> wrote:
> A metre is just a little bigger than 3.25 feet, and when you get to
cubing
> it, the difference get significsnt.
> Bill again.
A metre is just a little bigger than 3.25 feet, and when you get to cubing
it, the difference get significsnt.
Bill again.
At 01:31 PM 5/10/01 -0000, you wrote:
I'd go if I wanted a dark color.
it, the difference get significsnt.
Bill again.
At 01:31 PM 5/10/01 -0000, you wrote:
>Bolger rules!!!01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>- no flogging dead horses
>- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>- stay on topic and punctuate
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>higher temperatures. I think Raka has one (www.raka.com). That's the way
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>There are 21 messages in this issue.
>
>Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: I'm all conflicted
> From:kwilson800@...
> 2. RE: Re: I'm all conflicted
> From: "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@...>
> 3. Re: I'm all conflicted
> From:richard@...
> 4. Re: Pirogue Photos
> From: "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@...>
> 5. Re: Pirogue Photos
> From: "david galvin" <porcupine@...>
> 6. Re: Re: I'm all conflicted
> From: "James Fuller" <james@...>
> 7. Re: Re: Pirogue Photos
> From: "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@...>
> 8. Re: I'm all conflicted
> From:roger99a@...
> 9. Re: Pirogue Photos
> From: "Rhett Davis" <ravenous@...>
> 10. Re: Sharpie opinions please
> From:djost@...
> 11. Re: I'm all conflicted
> From:djost@...
> 12. Re: Pirogue Photos
> From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...>
> 13. AS29/AS38 Displacement
> From:paull01@...
> 14. RE: AS29/AS38 Displacement
> From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
> 15. Re: Re: Pirogue Photos
> From: "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@...>
> 16. Re: AS29/AS38 Displacement
> From: "david galvin" <porcupine@...>
> 17. Depoe Bay Photos
> From:j.c.ewing@...
> 18. Re: Re: Pirogue photos
> From:jhkohnen@...
> 19. Re: Re: I'm all conflicted
> From:jhkohnen@...
> 20. Re: AS29/AS38 Displacement
> From:pvanderw@...
> 21. Re: ...conflicted
> From: "Jack E. Bearden" <jalo@...>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 16:24:45 -0000
> From:kwilson800@...
>Subject: Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>As long as the hull is stable enough to turn it over without
>distorting it at all, why not? I've heard of folks using dabs of 5-
>minute epoxy to hold a hull together prior to taping, or even duct
>tape! Whatever works; it's not going to be part of the final hull
>anyway.
>
>The Gypsy's a fine boat, BTW; it's an excellent example to refute
>folks who argue that taped-seam plywood boats are ugly. I built one
>12 years ago, and rather regret selling it. Do add a small skeg
>though; it'll make rowing in a straight line MUCH easier.
>
>--- In bolger@y..., roger99a@h... wrote:
>> I'm building a Gypsy . . . I'm thinking it
>> would be easier to flip the hull now with the zip ties holding it
>> together and skip the outside putty job and make the fillets from
>> the inside.
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:39:26 -0700
> From: "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@...>
>Subject: RE: Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>I was going to stay out of this but I'm curious -- why not go ahead and do
>the outside of the seams before turning the hull over? Both sides of the
>seams have to be filled and taped eventually, and if the hull is aligned
>now, why move it?
>
>Jamie Orr
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:kwilson800@...[mailto:kwilson800@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 9:25 AM
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>
>As long as the hull is stable enough to turn it over without
>distorting it at all, why not? I've heard of folks using dabs of 5-
>minute epoxy to hold a hull together prior to taping, or even duct
>tape! Whatever works; it's not going to be part of the final hull
>anyway.
>
>The Gypsy's a fine boat, BTW; it's an excellent example to refute
>folks who argue that taped-seam plywood boats are ugly. I built one
>12 years ago, and rather regret selling it. Do add a small skeg
>though; it'll make rowing in a straight line MUCH easier.
>
>--- In bolger@y..., roger99a@h... wrote:
>> I'm building a Gypsy . . . I'm thinking it
>> would be easier to flip the hull now with the zip ties holding it
>> together and skip the outside putty job and make the fillets from
>> the inside.
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>- no flogging dead horses
>- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>- stay on topic and punctuate
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 17:31:28 -0000
> From:richard@...
>Subject: Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>Leave it where it is, spot epoxy weld it together, being sure to use
>thick epoxy and to keep it clean and not get much outside where the
>panels butt together.
>
>Then, pull your ties and tape the seams. Inside, outside, whatever
>you like.
>--- In bolger@y..., roger99a@h... wrote:
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> I'm building a Gypsy and have wandered from the instructions just a
>> bit: I have the hull pieces together and (don't tell Dynamite) I
>had
>> to use zip ties to pull the panels together and line them up. If
>> you're familiar with Dynamite's instructions, he says to make resin
>> putty and fill the joints from the outside of the hull and tape it
>> before you ever flip it and fillet the insides. Now I'm thinking
>it
>> would be easier to flip the hull now with the zip ties holding it
>> together and skip the outside putty job and make the fillets from
>the
>> inside. It would probably make for smoother edges on the outside
>and
>> save me some work to boot. On the other hand, I fear to wander
>from
>> Dynamite's instructions. Thus, I'm all conflicted. Am I wrong?
>>
>> Roger S
>
>
>
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>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 20:06:03
> From: "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@...>
>Subject: Re: Pirogue Photos
>
>Greetings Group, Tried to post some photos of my Pirogue. Will someone let
>my know if it worked? Thanks. Phil T.
>_________________________________________________________________
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>
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>
>Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 19:29:51 -0000
> From: "david galvin" <porcupine@...>
>Subject: Re: Pirogue Photos
>
>Phil,
>
>The photos look great, as does the boat. Are you going to built the
>sailing rig for her? How about the rowing outriggers?
>
>porky
>
>--- In bolger@y..., "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@h...> wrote:
>> Greetings Group, Tried to post some photos of my Pirogue. Will
>someone let
>> my know if it worked? Thanks. Phil T.
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer athttp://explorer.msn.com
>
>
>
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>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:40:01 -0700
> From: "James Fuller" <james@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>Hi,
>
>On the one stitch and glue that I built, It was almost
>necessary to do the inside first. The inside is just a fillet
>covered by glass. Only then could you flip it over and
>do the necessary shaping and sanding of the outside
>corners. It had to be held together by the inside joints
>or you would not have been able to shape it.
>
>James
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@...>
>To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 9:39 AM
>Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>
>> I was going to stay out of this but I'm curious -- why not go ahead and do
>> the outside of the seams before turning the hull over? Both sides of the
>> seams have to be filled and taped eventually, and if the hull is aligned
>> now, why move it?
>>
>> Jamie Orr
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:kwilson800@...[mailto:kwilson800@...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 9:25 AM
>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [bolger] Re: I'm all conflicted
>>
>>
>> As long as the hull is stable enough to turn it over without
>> distorting it at all, why not? I've heard of folks using dabs of 5-
>> minute epoxy to hold a hull together prior to taping, or even duct
>> tape! Whatever works; it's not going to be part of the final hull
>> anyway.
>>
>> The Gypsy's a fine boat, BTW; it's an excellent example to refute
>> folks who argue that taped-seam plywood boats are ugly. I built one
>> 12 years ago, and rather regret selling it. Do add a small skeg
>> though; it'll make rowing in a straight line MUCH easier.
>>
>> --- In bolger@y..., roger99a@h... wrote:
>> > I'm building a Gypsy . . . I'm thinking it
>> > would be easier to flip the hull now with the zip ties holding it
>> > together and skip the outside putty job and make the fillets from
>> > the inside.
>>
>>
>> Bolger rules!!!
>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>> - no flogging dead horses
>> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>> - stay on topic and punctuate
>> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>> Bolger rules!!!
>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>> - no flogging dead horses
>> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>> - stay on topic and punctuate
>> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 22:39:25
> From: "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Pirogue Photos
>
>David, Thanks. Glad you were able to see the photos. Yes, I am making a
>sailing rig. I have enough sailcloth to make a 30sq. ft. downwind sail of
>the type designed by George Dyson. Its sort of a double batwing on a very
>short mast (mine is 6ft.). You can see one on page 197 of his outstanding
>book, " Baidarka". I also want to try the Bolger designed rig but I want a
>pro to make the sail. I am also making the outriggers, two sets, so two
>people can row at once using folding rowing seats.
>Phil.
>
>>From: "david galvin" <porcupine@...>
>>Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [bolger] Re: Pirogue Photos
>>Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 19:29:51 -0000
>>
>>Phil,
>>
>>The photos look great, as does the boat. Are you going to built the
>>sailing rig for her? How about the rowing outriggers?
>>
>>porky
>>
>>--- In bolger@y..., "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@h...> wrote:
>> > Greetings Group, Tried to post some photos of my Pirogue. Will
>>someone let
>> > my know if it worked? Thanks. Phil T.
>> > _________________________________________________________________
>> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer athttp://explorer.msn.com
>>
>
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>
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>
>Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:16:47 -0000
> From:roger99a@...
>Subject: Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>My boat has much wider gaps in the plywood than the one on Dynamite's
>book, so I was thinking I could use masking tape to seal the outside
>and fillet the inside, which is required anyway, and basically skip a
>step. I'll never know because I just put the glue to it in it's
>inverted state.
>
>Roger S
>
>--- In bolger@y..., "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@b...> wrote:
>> I was going to stay out of this but I'm curious -- why not go ahead
>and do
>> the outside of the seams before turning the hull over? Both sides
>of the
>> seams have to be filled and taped eventually, and if the hull is
>aligned
>> now, why move it?
>>
>> Jamie Orr
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kwilson800@a... [mailto:kwilson800@a...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 9:25 AM
>> To: bolger@y...
>> Subject: [bolger] Re: I'm all conflicted
>>
>>
>> As long as the hull is stable enough to turn it over without
>> distorting it at all, why not? I've heard of folks using dabs of 5-
>> minute epoxy to hold a hull together prior to taping, or even duct
>> tape! Whatever works; it's not going to be part of the final hull
>> anyway.
>>
>> The Gypsy's a fine boat, BTW; it's an excellent example to refute
>> folks who argue that taped-seam plywood boats are ugly. I built
>one
>> 12 years ago, and rather regret selling it. Do add a small skeg
>> though; it'll make rowing in a straight line MUCH easier.
>>
>> --- In bolger@y..., roger99a@h... wrote:
>> > I'm building a Gypsy . . . I'm thinking it
>> > would be easier to flip the hull now with the zip ties holding it
>> > together and skip the outside putty job and make the fillets from
>> > the inside.
>>
>>
>> Bolger rules!!!
>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>> - no flogging dead horses
>> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>> - stay on topic and punctuate
>> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
>MA,
>> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:16:37 -0400
> From: "Rhett Davis" <ravenous@...>
>Subject: Re: Pirogue Photos
>
>
>> Greetings Group, Tried to post some photos of my Pirogue. Will someone let
>> my know if it worked? Thanks. Phil T.
>>
>That first beached profile is a postcard! Nice setting, GORGEOUS BOAT! You
>must swell up three or four sizes just looking at her.
>
>I always worry about using dark paint (not from experience, but because I've
>been warned), even on bottom (cause I might cartop, and light reflects off
>water, and I live in Southeast Georgia), but it sure has a nice look. I'll
>be even more tempted to ignore the warnings and go for a navy blue or pine
>green next time. I expect one could be careful to minimize the possibility
>of heat related problems.
>
>What's the LOA? I like the two people rowing idea.
>
>Rhett
>ravenous@...
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:29:18 -0000
> From:djost@...
>Subject: Re: Sharpie opinions please
>
>I actually own a set of unused plans for a Fancy Free that I am
>willing to sell for a reasonable price to a good home. I have no
>intention of building one since my Micro is about half done. She is
>so much fun to sit in :-)
>
>David Jost
>"pulling a few midnight beer runs in the cockpit after work"
>> Terry C
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:32:12 -0000
> From:djost@...
>Subject: Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>Ye Roger, go ahead.
>I built Diablo using copper wire twisted together. Much of which
>became part of the boat. If i wanted to remove it, I just heated it
>up and it pulled right out. The tape did not hold for me either. If
>something looks funny you can always fill, grind, sand, and fill
>again.
>David Jost
>
> "very tempted to put something weird in the hollow space in the
>aft part of the keel assembly. Why is this empty?"
>
>> Roger --
>>
>> Definitely go ahead with your plan. I found that when I built my
>> Gypsy last summer, Payson's recommendation to hold all the panels
>> together with masking tape was inadequate. There's a twist in the
>> forward section of the chine that is hard to control. I used only
>> masking tape, applied the putty and tape, and found after all had
>> hardened that the side and chine panels in the forward three or
>four
>> feet didn't really line up properly. I sanded off the difference
>and
>> you only notice it when the sun is at a particular angle -- but I
>> thought, he should have at least added a note saying wire ties or
>> cable ties is the surest way to go. He does have that picture of
>> pushing one of the panels sideways with a stick -- but it isn't
>made
>> clear that it's actually mandatory for getting it all to work.
>>
>> So -- don't hesitate to adapt, improve, and go with your intuition.
>> It's a simple design that lends itself to personalization.
>> And good luck -- Gyspy is a gorgeous, fun boat. Send the group some
>> pictures as it comes along.
>>
>> All best,
>> Garth
>>
>> PS In the "Articles" section of Duckworks, there's a piece about
>all
>> the alternations I made to my Gypsy.
>> Here's the URL:
>>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/gypsy/index.htm
>
>
>
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>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 03:12:26 -0000
> From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...>
>Subject: Re: Pirogue Photos
>
>I think the vulnerable component here is epoxy, and some epoxies will take
I'd go if I wanted a dark color.
>--- In bolger@y..., "Rhett Davis" <ravenous@g...> wrote:I've
>snip
>>
>> I always worry about using dark paint (not from experience, but because
>> been warned), even on bottom (cause I might cartop, and light reflects off
>> water, and I live in Southeast Georgia), but it sure has a nice look. I'll
>> be even more tempted to ignore the warnings and go for a navy blue or pine
>> green next time. I expect one could be careful to minimize the possibility
>> of heat related problems.
>>
>> What's the LOA? I like the two people rowing idea.
>>
>> Rhett
>> ravenous@b...
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 03:41:27 -0000
> From:paull01@...
>Subject: AS29/AS38 Displacement
>
>Hi folks.
>
>Does anyone know what the displacement of the AS38 is? Phil lists the
>displacement at 4.81 meters(cubed) in his book 'Boats With An Open
>Mind'. Can anyone help me with the conversion to pounds? I see that
>Susan and Barry have listed their AS29's displacement at 7000 pounds.
>
>Paul L
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:04:53 -0500
> From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
>Subject: RE: AS29/AS38 Displacement
>
>
>4.8*39^3/12^3*62 = about 10K
>
>Did I get that right?
>
>Chuck
>
>
>Hi folks.
>
>Does anyone know what the displacement of the AS38 is? Phil lists the
>displacement at 4.81 meters(cubed) in his book 'Boats With An Open
>Mind'. Can anyone help me with the conversion to pounds? I see that
>Susan and Barry have listed their AS29's displacement at 7000 pounds.
>
>Paul L
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 04:18:26
> From: "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Pirogue Photos
>
>Thanks Rhett, LOA is 16ft. I live in southeast Alaska so heat and excessive
>UV radiation is not a real big concern.:) Picked black because I had a can
>of pricey Interlux left over from another project. I am happy with the look,
>though I will keep an eye out for signs of heat damage. Phil T.
>
>
>>From: "Rhett Davis" <ravenous@...>
>>Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>>To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: [bolger] Re: Pirogue Photos
>>Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:16:37 -0400
>>
>>
>> > Greetings Group, Tried to post some photos of my Pirogue. Will someone
>>let
>> > my know if it worked? Thanks. Phil T.
>> >
>>That first beached profile is a postcard! Nice setting, GORGEOUS BOAT!
>>You
>>must swell up three or four sizes just looking at her.
>>
>>I always worry about using dark paint (not from experience, but because
>>I've
>>been warned), even on bottom (cause I might cartop, and light reflects off
>>water, and I live in Southeast Georgia), but it sure has a nice look. I'll
>>be even more tempted to ignore the warnings and go for a navy blue or pine
>>green next time. I expect one could be careful to minimize the possibility
>>of heat related problems.
>>
>>What's the LOA? I like the two people rowing idea.
>>
>>Rhett
>>ravenous@...
>>
>>
>>
>
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>Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 04:19:01 -0000
> From: "david galvin" <porcupine@...>
>Subject: Re: AS29/AS38 Displacement
>
>Paul,
>
>Not having proper conversion charts in front of me, I will nontheless
>take an ambitious but probably fallicious stab at figuring the
>displacement of the AS-39/Loose Moose II.
>
>As one meter ~ 3.25 feet, one cubic meter ~ 3.25 x 3.25 x 3.25 = 34.33
>cubic feet. 34.33 cu. ft./ cu. meter x 4.81 cu. meters = 165.12 cu.
>ft. Now, one cubic foot of seawater (?) weighs 64 lbs., so 64 lbs/ cu.
>ft. x 165.12 cubic feet = 10,568 lbs. displacement. All figures are
>rounded, and kinda rough, so I would say between 10,000 and 11,000
>lbs.
>
>The hull allows about 1000 lbs. per inch of immersion, and the
>transoms are at least 9" above the DWL, so the boat could be
>shamelessly overloaded without considerable ill effect. However, it
>would be a bit too heavy to tow behind a Honda Civic, I thinks,
>
>porky
>
>--- In bolger@y..., paull01@y... wrote:
>> Hi folks.
>>
>> Does anyone know what the displacement of the AS38 is? Phil lists
>the
>> displacement at 4.81 meters(cubed) in his book 'Boats With An Open
>> Mind'. Can anyone help me with the conversion to pounds? I see that
>> Susan and Barry have listed their AS29's displacement at 7000
>pounds.
>>
>> Paul L
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 04:45:39 -0000
> From:j.c.ewing@...
>Subject: Depoe Bay Photos
>
>Hello, all. I shot a few photos of the many attractions at the Depoe
>Bay Wooden Boat Festival and Crab Feed a couple weeks ago and now
>have them ready for viewing (on the London Drugs website here in
>Victoria).
>
>The photos are in two lots. You can access the first bunch by
>clicking on the following link:
>http://www.ldphotostation.com/authenticate.asp?p1=LDYK8BFL2V
>
>Then for the second batch click on this link:
>http://www.ldphotostation.com/authenticate.asp?p1=LDNPRBCVO5
>
>I have written captions but apologize that some information is
>missing due to incomplete note-taking. I hope you get some sense of
>the very enjoyable event that it was.
>
>John
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:34:06 -0700
> From:jhkohnen@...
>Subject: Re: Re: Pirogue photos
>
>Phil-
>
>Good looking boat! But you forgot all the fun pieces like the sailing rig
>and the rowlock outriggers. ;o)
>
>http://photomail.photoworks.com/sharing/roll.asp?Key=3745199874380808
>
>On Tue, 08 May 2001 00:16:23 , you wrote:
>> Hey Group, Tried to post some pics of my Pirogue. Will someone let me know
>> if it works? Thanks, Phil
>
>
>--
> John <jkohnen@...>
>http://www.boat-links.com/
> "Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb.
> "Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the truth.
> <Alfred North Whitehead>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:15:45 -0700
> From:jhkohnen@...
>Subject: Re: Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>Jamie-
>
>Did you fill and tape the outside of the seams first when you built your
>Chebacco? I think (I've never tired either way) it would be easier to get
>nicely rounded chines if the gooping was done on the inside first,
>otherwise the ties get in the way.
>
>Whatever you did on Wayward Lass it sure turned out right in the end!
>
>On Wed, 9 May 2001 09:39:26 -0700 , Jamie Orr wrote:
>> I was going to stay out of this but I'm curious -- why not go ahead and do
>> the outside of the seams before turning the hull over? Both sides of the
>> seams have to be filled and taped eventually, and if the hull is aligned
>> now, why move it?
>
>
>--
> John <jkohnen@...>
>http://www.boat-links.com/
> "Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb.
> "Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the truth.
> <Alfred North Whitehead>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:47:39 -0000
> From:pvanderw@...
>Subject: Re: AS29/AS38 Displacement
>
>> As one meter ~ 3.25 feet, one cubic meter ~ 3.25 x 3.25 x 3.25 =
>34.33
>> cubic feet. 34.33 cu. ft./ cu. meter x 4.81 cu. meters = 165.12 cu.
>> ft. Now, one cubic foot of seawater (?) weighs 64 lbs., so 64 lbs/
>cu.
>> ft. x 165.12 cubic feet = 10,568 lbs. displacement.
>
>I find it interesting that the respondants all converted to cubic
>feet first. Wouldn't it be easier this way?
>
>4.81 cu. meters = 4810 liters = 4810 kilograms = 4810 * 2.2046 lb/kg
>= 10604 lbs (fresh water) * 64/62.5 = 10858 (sea water).
>
>Peter
>
>
>
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>Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:39:58 +0000
> From: "Jack E. Bearden" <jalo@...>
>Subject: Re: ...conflicted
>
>Zip ties should work very well for Gypsy. As you probably know, leave them
>loose until you have them all in place. Get everything lined up then pull
>them snug. If you space them @ 3" intervals you can fillet between them very
>neatly with a 3" putty knife. The ties will come out very easily later.
>Masking tape the seams before you flip it over to prevent lumps on the
>outside. Good luck
>
>jeb
>
>
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>
>
4.81 cubic meters converts to 169.86... cubic feet. Given salt water at 64
lbs/cubic foot, that gives about 10871 lbs. displacement.
Bill Wallace in Texas
At 01:31 PM 5/10/01 -0000, you wrote:
I'd go if I wanted a dark color.
lbs/cubic foot, that gives about 10871 lbs. displacement.
Bill Wallace in Texas
At 01:31 PM 5/10/01 -0000, you wrote:
>Bolger rules!!!01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>- no flogging dead horses
>- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>- stay on topic and punctuate
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>higher temperatures. I think Raka has one (www.raka.com). That's the way
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>There are 21 messages in this issue.
>
>Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: I'm all conflicted
> From:kwilson800@...
> 2. RE: Re: I'm all conflicted
> From: "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@...>
> 3. Re: I'm all conflicted
> From:richard@...
> 4. Re: Pirogue Photos
> From: "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@...>
> 5. Re: Pirogue Photos
> From: "david galvin" <porcupine@...>
> 6. Re: Re: I'm all conflicted
> From: "James Fuller" <james@...>
> 7. Re: Re: Pirogue Photos
> From: "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@...>
> 8. Re: I'm all conflicted
> From:roger99a@...
> 9. Re: Pirogue Photos
> From: "Rhett Davis" <ravenous@...>
> 10. Re: Sharpie opinions please
> From:djost@...
> 11. Re: I'm all conflicted
> From:djost@...
> 12. Re: Pirogue Photos
> From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...>
> 13. AS29/AS38 Displacement
> From:paull01@...
> 14. RE: AS29/AS38 Displacement
> From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
> 15. Re: Re: Pirogue Photos
> From: "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@...>
> 16. Re: AS29/AS38 Displacement
> From: "david galvin" <porcupine@...>
> 17. Depoe Bay Photos
> From:j.c.ewing@...
> 18. Re: Re: Pirogue photos
> From:jhkohnen@...
> 19. Re: Re: I'm all conflicted
> From:jhkohnen@...
> 20. Re: AS29/AS38 Displacement
> From:pvanderw@...
> 21. Re: ...conflicted
> From: "Jack E. Bearden" <jalo@...>
>
>
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>Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 16:24:45 -0000
> From:kwilson800@...
>Subject: Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>As long as the hull is stable enough to turn it over without
>distorting it at all, why not? I've heard of folks using dabs of 5-
>minute epoxy to hold a hull together prior to taping, or even duct
>tape! Whatever works; it's not going to be part of the final hull
>anyway.
>
>The Gypsy's a fine boat, BTW; it's an excellent example to refute
>folks who argue that taped-seam plywood boats are ugly. I built one
>12 years ago, and rather regret selling it. Do add a small skeg
>though; it'll make rowing in a straight line MUCH easier.
>
>--- In bolger@y..., roger99a@h... wrote:
>> I'm building a Gypsy . . . I'm thinking it
>> would be easier to flip the hull now with the zip ties holding it
>> together and skip the outside putty job and make the fillets from
>> the inside.
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:39:26 -0700
> From: "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@...>
>Subject: RE: Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>I was going to stay out of this but I'm curious -- why not go ahead and do
>the outside of the seams before turning the hull over? Both sides of the
>seams have to be filled and taped eventually, and if the hull is aligned
>now, why move it?
>
>Jamie Orr
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:kwilson800@...[mailto:kwilson800@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 9:25 AM
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>
>As long as the hull is stable enough to turn it over without
>distorting it at all, why not? I've heard of folks using dabs of 5-
>minute epoxy to hold a hull together prior to taping, or even duct
>tape! Whatever works; it's not going to be part of the final hull
>anyway.
>
>The Gypsy's a fine boat, BTW; it's an excellent example to refute
>folks who argue that taped-seam plywood boats are ugly. I built one
>12 years ago, and rather regret selling it. Do add a small skeg
>though; it'll make rowing in a straight line MUCH easier.
>
>--- In bolger@y..., roger99a@h... wrote:
>> I'm building a Gypsy . . . I'm thinking it
>> would be easier to flip the hull now with the zip ties holding it
>> together and skip the outside putty job and make the fillets from
>> the inside.
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>- no flogging dead horses
>- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>- stay on topic and punctuate
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
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>
>
>
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>Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 17:31:28 -0000
> From:richard@...
>Subject: Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>Leave it where it is, spot epoxy weld it together, being sure to use
>thick epoxy and to keep it clean and not get much outside where the
>panels butt together.
>
>Then, pull your ties and tape the seams. Inside, outside, whatever
>you like.
>--- In bolger@y..., roger99a@h... wrote:
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> I'm building a Gypsy and have wandered from the instructions just a
>> bit: I have the hull pieces together and (don't tell Dynamite) I
>had
>> to use zip ties to pull the panels together and line them up. If
>> you're familiar with Dynamite's instructions, he says to make resin
>> putty and fill the joints from the outside of the hull and tape it
>> before you ever flip it and fillet the insides. Now I'm thinking
>it
>> would be easier to flip the hull now with the zip ties holding it
>> together and skip the outside putty job and make the fillets from
>the
>> inside. It would probably make for smoother edges on the outside
>and
>> save me some work to boot. On the other hand, I fear to wander
>from
>> Dynamite's instructions. Thus, I'm all conflicted. Am I wrong?
>>
>> Roger S
>
>
>
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>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 20:06:03
> From: "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@...>
>Subject: Re: Pirogue Photos
>
>Greetings Group, Tried to post some photos of my Pirogue. Will someone let
>my know if it worked? Thanks. Phil T.
>_________________________________________________________________
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>
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>Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 19:29:51 -0000
> From: "david galvin" <porcupine@...>
>Subject: Re: Pirogue Photos
>
>Phil,
>
>The photos look great, as does the boat. Are you going to built the
>sailing rig for her? How about the rowing outriggers?
>
>porky
>
>--- In bolger@y..., "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@h...> wrote:
>> Greetings Group, Tried to post some photos of my Pirogue. Will
>someone let
>> my know if it worked? Thanks. Phil T.
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>
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>
>Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:40:01 -0700
> From: "James Fuller" <james@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>Hi,
>
>On the one stitch and glue that I built, It was almost
>necessary to do the inside first. The inside is just a fillet
>covered by glass. Only then could you flip it over and
>do the necessary shaping and sanding of the outside
>corners. It had to be held together by the inside joints
>or you would not have been able to shape it.
>
>James
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@...>
>To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 9:39 AM
>Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>
>> I was going to stay out of this but I'm curious -- why not go ahead and do
>> the outside of the seams before turning the hull over? Both sides of the
>> seams have to be filled and taped eventually, and if the hull is aligned
>> now, why move it?
>>
>> Jamie Orr
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:kwilson800@...[mailto:kwilson800@...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 9:25 AM
>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [bolger] Re: I'm all conflicted
>>
>>
>> As long as the hull is stable enough to turn it over without
>> distorting it at all, why not? I've heard of folks using dabs of 5-
>> minute epoxy to hold a hull together prior to taping, or even duct
>> tape! Whatever works; it's not going to be part of the final hull
>> anyway.
>>
>> The Gypsy's a fine boat, BTW; it's an excellent example to refute
>> folks who argue that taped-seam plywood boats are ugly. I built one
>> 12 years ago, and rather regret selling it. Do add a small skeg
>> though; it'll make rowing in a straight line MUCH easier.
>>
>> --- In bolger@y..., roger99a@h... wrote:
>> > I'm building a Gypsy . . . I'm thinking it
>> > would be easier to flip the hull now with the zip ties holding it
>> > together and skip the outside putty job and make the fillets from
>> > the inside.
>>
>>
>> Bolger rules!!!
>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>> - no flogging dead horses
>> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>> - stay on topic and punctuate
>> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>> Bolger rules!!!
>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>> - no flogging dead horses
>> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>> - stay on topic and punctuate
>> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 22:39:25
> From: "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Pirogue Photos
>
>David, Thanks. Glad you were able to see the photos. Yes, I am making a
>sailing rig. I have enough sailcloth to make a 30sq. ft. downwind sail of
>the type designed by George Dyson. Its sort of a double batwing on a very
>short mast (mine is 6ft.). You can see one on page 197 of his outstanding
>book, " Baidarka". I also want to try the Bolger designed rig but I want a
>pro to make the sail. I am also making the outriggers, two sets, so two
>people can row at once using folding rowing seats.
>Phil.
>
>>From: "david galvin" <porcupine@...>
>>Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [bolger] Re: Pirogue Photos
>>Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 19:29:51 -0000
>>
>>Phil,
>>
>>The photos look great, as does the boat. Are you going to built the
>>sailing rig for her? How about the rowing outriggers?
>>
>>porky
>>
>>--- In bolger@y..., "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@h...> wrote:
>> > Greetings Group, Tried to post some photos of my Pirogue. Will
>>someone let
>> > my know if it worked? Thanks. Phil T.
>> > _________________________________________________________________
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>Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:16:47 -0000
> From:roger99a@...
>Subject: Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>My boat has much wider gaps in the plywood than the one on Dynamite's
>book, so I was thinking I could use masking tape to seal the outside
>and fillet the inside, which is required anyway, and basically skip a
>step. I'll never know because I just put the glue to it in it's
>inverted state.
>
>Roger S
>
>--- In bolger@y..., "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@b...> wrote:
>> I was going to stay out of this but I'm curious -- why not go ahead
>and do
>> the outside of the seams before turning the hull over? Both sides
>of the
>> seams have to be filled and taped eventually, and if the hull is
>aligned
>> now, why move it?
>>
>> Jamie Orr
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kwilson800@a... [mailto:kwilson800@a...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 9:25 AM
>> To: bolger@y...
>> Subject: [bolger] Re: I'm all conflicted
>>
>>
>> As long as the hull is stable enough to turn it over without
>> distorting it at all, why not? I've heard of folks using dabs of 5-
>> minute epoxy to hold a hull together prior to taping, or even duct
>> tape! Whatever works; it's not going to be part of the final hull
>> anyway.
>>
>> The Gypsy's a fine boat, BTW; it's an excellent example to refute
>> folks who argue that taped-seam plywood boats are ugly. I built
>one
>> 12 years ago, and rather regret selling it. Do add a small skeg
>> though; it'll make rowing in a straight line MUCH easier.
>>
>> --- In bolger@y..., roger99a@h... wrote:
>> > I'm building a Gypsy . . . I'm thinking it
>> > would be easier to flip the hull now with the zip ties holding it
>> > together and skip the outside putty job and make the fillets from
>> > the inside.
>>
>>
>> Bolger rules!!!
>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>> - no flogging dead horses
>> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>> - stay on topic and punctuate
>> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
>MA,
>> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:16:37 -0400
> From: "Rhett Davis" <ravenous@...>
>Subject: Re: Pirogue Photos
>
>
>> Greetings Group, Tried to post some photos of my Pirogue. Will someone let
>> my know if it worked? Thanks. Phil T.
>>
>That first beached profile is a postcard! Nice setting, GORGEOUS BOAT! You
>must swell up three or four sizes just looking at her.
>
>I always worry about using dark paint (not from experience, but because I've
>been warned), even on bottom (cause I might cartop, and light reflects off
>water, and I live in Southeast Georgia), but it sure has a nice look. I'll
>be even more tempted to ignore the warnings and go for a navy blue or pine
>green next time. I expect one could be careful to minimize the possibility
>of heat related problems.
>
>What's the LOA? I like the two people rowing idea.
>
>Rhett
>ravenous@...
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:29:18 -0000
> From:djost@...
>Subject: Re: Sharpie opinions please
>
>I actually own a set of unused plans for a Fancy Free that I am
>willing to sell for a reasonable price to a good home. I have no
>intention of building one since my Micro is about half done. She is
>so much fun to sit in :-)
>
>David Jost
>"pulling a few midnight beer runs in the cockpit after work"
>> Terry C
>
>
>
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>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:32:12 -0000
> From:djost@...
>Subject: Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>Ye Roger, go ahead.
>I built Diablo using copper wire twisted together. Much of which
>became part of the boat. If i wanted to remove it, I just heated it
>up and it pulled right out. The tape did not hold for me either. If
>something looks funny you can always fill, grind, sand, and fill
>again.
>David Jost
>
> "very tempted to put something weird in the hollow space in the
>aft part of the keel assembly. Why is this empty?"
>
>> Roger --
>>
>> Definitely go ahead with your plan. I found that when I built my
>> Gypsy last summer, Payson's recommendation to hold all the panels
>> together with masking tape was inadequate. There's a twist in the
>> forward section of the chine that is hard to control. I used only
>> masking tape, applied the putty and tape, and found after all had
>> hardened that the side and chine panels in the forward three or
>four
>> feet didn't really line up properly. I sanded off the difference
>and
>> you only notice it when the sun is at a particular angle -- but I
>> thought, he should have at least added a note saying wire ties or
>> cable ties is the surest way to go. He does have that picture of
>> pushing one of the panels sideways with a stick -- but it isn't
>made
>> clear that it's actually mandatory for getting it all to work.
>>
>> So -- don't hesitate to adapt, improve, and go with your intuition.
>> It's a simple design that lends itself to personalization.
>> And good luck -- Gyspy is a gorgeous, fun boat. Send the group some
>> pictures as it comes along.
>>
>> All best,
>> Garth
>>
>> PS In the "Articles" section of Duckworks, there's a piece about
>all
>> the alternations I made to my Gypsy.
>> Here's the URL:
>>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/gypsy/index.htm
>
>
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>Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 03:12:26 -0000
> From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...>
>Subject: Re: Pirogue Photos
>
>I think the vulnerable component here is epoxy, and some epoxies will take
I'd go if I wanted a dark color.
>--- In bolger@y..., "Rhett Davis" <ravenous@g...> wrote:I've
>snip
>>
>> I always worry about using dark paint (not from experience, but because
>> been warned), even on bottom (cause I might cartop, and light reflects off
>> water, and I live in Southeast Georgia), but it sure has a nice look. I'll
>> be even more tempted to ignore the warnings and go for a navy blue or pine
>> green next time. I expect one could be careful to minimize the possibility
>> of heat related problems.
>>
>> What's the LOA? I like the two people rowing idea.
>>
>> Rhett
>> ravenous@b...
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>Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 03:41:27 -0000
> From:paull01@...
>Subject: AS29/AS38 Displacement
>
>Hi folks.
>
>Does anyone know what the displacement of the AS38 is? Phil lists the
>displacement at 4.81 meters(cubed) in his book 'Boats With An Open
>Mind'. Can anyone help me with the conversion to pounds? I see that
>Susan and Barry have listed their AS29's displacement at 7000 pounds.
>
>Paul L
>
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>Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:04:53 -0500
> From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
>Subject: RE: AS29/AS38 Displacement
>
>
>4.8*39^3/12^3*62 = about 10K
>
>Did I get that right?
>
>Chuck
>
>
>Hi folks.
>
>Does anyone know what the displacement of the AS38 is? Phil lists the
>displacement at 4.81 meters(cubed) in his book 'Boats With An Open
>Mind'. Can anyone help me with the conversion to pounds? I see that
>Susan and Barry have listed their AS29's displacement at 7000 pounds.
>
>Paul L
>
>
>
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>Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 04:18:26
> From: "Phillip Tucker" <philt54@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Pirogue Photos
>
>Thanks Rhett, LOA is 16ft. I live in southeast Alaska so heat and excessive
>UV radiation is not a real big concern.:) Picked black because I had a can
>of pricey Interlux left over from another project. I am happy with the look,
>though I will keep an eye out for signs of heat damage. Phil T.
>
>
>>From: "Rhett Davis" <ravenous@...>
>>Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>>To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: [bolger] Re: Pirogue Photos
>>Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:16:37 -0400
>>
>>
>> > Greetings Group, Tried to post some photos of my Pirogue. Will someone
>>let
>> > my know if it worked? Thanks. Phil T.
>> >
>>That first beached profile is a postcard! Nice setting, GORGEOUS BOAT!
>>You
>>must swell up three or four sizes just looking at her.
>>
>>I always worry about using dark paint (not from experience, but because
>>I've
>>been warned), even on bottom (cause I might cartop, and light reflects off
>>water, and I live in Southeast Georgia), but it sure has a nice look. I'll
>>be even more tempted to ignore the warnings and go for a navy blue or pine
>>green next time. I expect one could be careful to minimize the possibility
>>of heat related problems.
>>
>>What's the LOA? I like the two people rowing idea.
>>
>>Rhett
>>ravenous@...
>>
>>
>>
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>Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 04:19:01 -0000
> From: "david galvin" <porcupine@...>
>Subject: Re: AS29/AS38 Displacement
>
>Paul,
>
>Not having proper conversion charts in front of me, I will nontheless
>take an ambitious but probably fallicious stab at figuring the
>displacement of the AS-39/Loose Moose II.
>
>As one meter ~ 3.25 feet, one cubic meter ~ 3.25 x 3.25 x 3.25 = 34.33
>cubic feet. 34.33 cu. ft./ cu. meter x 4.81 cu. meters = 165.12 cu.
>ft. Now, one cubic foot of seawater (?) weighs 64 lbs., so 64 lbs/ cu.
>ft. x 165.12 cubic feet = 10,568 lbs. displacement. All figures are
>rounded, and kinda rough, so I would say between 10,000 and 11,000
>lbs.
>
>The hull allows about 1000 lbs. per inch of immersion, and the
>transoms are at least 9" above the DWL, so the boat could be
>shamelessly overloaded without considerable ill effect. However, it
>would be a bit too heavy to tow behind a Honda Civic, I thinks,
>
>porky
>
>--- In bolger@y..., paull01@y... wrote:
>> Hi folks.
>>
>> Does anyone know what the displacement of the AS38 is? Phil lists
>the
>> displacement at 4.81 meters(cubed) in his book 'Boats With An Open
>> Mind'. Can anyone help me with the conversion to pounds? I see that
>> Susan and Barry have listed their AS29's displacement at 7000
>pounds.
>>
>> Paul L
>
>
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>Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 04:45:39 -0000
> From:j.c.ewing@...
>Subject: Depoe Bay Photos
>
>Hello, all. I shot a few photos of the many attractions at the Depoe
>Bay Wooden Boat Festival and Crab Feed a couple weeks ago and now
>have them ready for viewing (on the London Drugs website here in
>Victoria).
>
>The photos are in two lots. You can access the first bunch by
>clicking on the following link:
>http://www.ldphotostation.com/authenticate.asp?p1=LDYK8BFL2V
>
>Then for the second batch click on this link:
>http://www.ldphotostation.com/authenticate.asp?p1=LDNPRBCVO5
>
>I have written captions but apologize that some information is
>missing due to incomplete note-taking. I hope you get some sense of
>the very enjoyable event that it was.
>
>John
>
>
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>
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>Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:34:06 -0700
> From:jhkohnen@...
>Subject: Re: Re: Pirogue photos
>
>Phil-
>
>Good looking boat! But you forgot all the fun pieces like the sailing rig
>and the rowlock outriggers. ;o)
>
>http://photomail.photoworks.com/sharing/roll.asp?Key=3745199874380808
>
>On Tue, 08 May 2001 00:16:23 , you wrote:
>> Hey Group, Tried to post some pics of my Pirogue. Will someone let me know
>> if it works? Thanks, Phil
>
>
>--
> John <jkohnen@...>
>http://www.boat-links.com/
> "Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb.
> "Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the truth.
> <Alfred North Whitehead>
>
>
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>Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:15:45 -0700
> From:jhkohnen@...
>Subject: Re: Re: I'm all conflicted
>
>Jamie-
>
>Did you fill and tape the outside of the seams first when you built your
>Chebacco? I think (I've never tired either way) it would be easier to get
>nicely rounded chines if the gooping was done on the inside first,
>otherwise the ties get in the way.
>
>Whatever you did on Wayward Lass it sure turned out right in the end!
>
>On Wed, 9 May 2001 09:39:26 -0700 , Jamie Orr wrote:
>> I was going to stay out of this but I'm curious -- why not go ahead and do
>> the outside of the seams before turning the hull over? Both sides of the
>> seams have to be filled and taped eventually, and if the hull is aligned
>> now, why move it?
>
>
>--
> John <jkohnen@...>
>http://www.boat-links.com/
> "Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb.
> "Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the truth.
> <Alfred North Whitehead>
>
>
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>Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:47:39 -0000
> From:pvanderw@...
>Subject: Re: AS29/AS38 Displacement
>
>> As one meter ~ 3.25 feet, one cubic meter ~ 3.25 x 3.25 x 3.25 =
>34.33
>> cubic feet. 34.33 cu. ft./ cu. meter x 4.81 cu. meters = 165.12 cu.
>> ft. Now, one cubic foot of seawater (?) weighs 64 lbs., so 64 lbs/
>cu.
>> ft. x 165.12 cubic feet = 10,568 lbs. displacement.
>
>I find it interesting that the respondants all converted to cubic
>feet first. Wouldn't it be easier this way?
>
>4.81 cu. meters = 4810 liters = 4810 kilograms = 4810 * 2.2046 lb/kg
>= 10604 lbs (fresh water) * 64/62.5 = 10858 (sea water).
>
>Peter
>
>
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>Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:39:58 +0000
> From: "Jack E. Bearden" <jalo@...>
>Subject: Re: ...conflicted
>
>Zip ties should work very well for Gypsy. As you probably know, leave them
>loose until you have them all in place. Get everything lined up then pull
>them snug. If you space them @ 3" intervals you can fillet between them very
>neatly with a 3" putty knife. The ties will come out very easily later.
>Masking tape the seams before you flip it over to prevent lumps on the
>outside. Good luck
>
>jeb
>
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