Re: Escargot
> Since seeing her,I cannot help but imagine what she would belike
> if her dimensions were something like 30' X 8'.Just the thought ofboat
> full standing headroom and loads of storage,not to mention elbow
> room,has me conjuring up an almost permanent live-a-board canal
> with flower boxes all around the perimeter,solar panels on the roofThanks Peter...
> and happy souls inside!
I am planning on adding flower pots to mine too!
As to the big version... my dreams have drifted that way too... some
day maybe.
Here is a link to a site that shows a 28 foot version of the Escargot
someone made. Pretty sure it is based on Escargot. All part of
Jim Michalak's Boat Designs web site. Let all the pictures load and
you will see it.
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/1999/1015/Index.htm#BOAT%
20COSTS
> > Added new pictures of our launch to the web page last night.
> > http://classics.nu/boat
> >
> > As you can see there is still much work to be done on this boat.
--- In bolger@y..., Vince and Mary Ann Chew <vachew@v...> wrote:
thoughts on my version of the Escargot.
Vince, I did do some modifications to the design along the way. Most
I tried to think out, others just seemed to happen. For now, the
inside of the main living space does NOT have built in seats or a
galley. I wanted to put a floor in the boat so I wasnt tripping over
stringers and so that my kids could sleep on floor. I basically
needed sleeping room for four. The boat was design to have sleeping
room for for three. I will probably never do an overnight with the
entire family... but I would like to. I am going to try just rolling
up the bed rolls during the day and sitting in garden chairs. They
should be a lot more comfortable. However....This means I lost the
storage area under those seats.
Also... I won't have the bike seats to sit on like the original, so I
needed to put seats in the back. So I built in bench seats on
either side. This will also give me room for the gas and such. Helps
me to regain some of the lost storage from inside the boat. The
center floor section is built pretty close to the original. The
bulkhead IS raised a bit there though. I thought, at the time, that
I wanted a little more stiffness there. I now know that wasn't
really needed... but no harm done.
I did find a nice little 6hp Nissan, like Chris got, for a
comparitively reasonable price. Sort of. Will use the Merc for now,
and save for the Nissan later perhaps.
So the work continues this past weekend. Window frames are about
done. Registration plaque built. Rope ladder done. More sanding
done to prepare for painting soon. Next... interior fitting!
Thanks for all the kind words and ideas.
Bryan
Seattle
> I went back to your Web site and I realize that your after deck isThanks to Vince, Chris, Don, Chuck, and any others who gave me their
> raised higher than the one shown in the plan. This would make it
> difficult to modify the transom with a motor cut-out.
thoughts on my version of the Escargot.
Vince, I did do some modifications to the design along the way. Most
I tried to think out, others just seemed to happen. For now, the
inside of the main living space does NOT have built in seats or a
galley. I wanted to put a floor in the boat so I wasnt tripping over
stringers and so that my kids could sleep on floor. I basically
needed sleeping room for four. The boat was design to have sleeping
room for for three. I will probably never do an overnight with the
entire family... but I would like to. I am going to try just rolling
up the bed rolls during the day and sitting in garden chairs. They
should be a lot more comfortable. However....This means I lost the
storage area under those seats.
Also... I won't have the bike seats to sit on like the original, so I
needed to put seats in the back. So I built in bench seats on
either side. This will also give me room for the gas and such. Helps
me to regain some of the lost storage from inside the boat. The
center floor section is built pretty close to the original. The
bulkhead IS raised a bit there though. I thought, at the time, that
I wanted a little more stiffness there. I now know that wasn't
really needed... but no harm done.
I did find a nice little 6hp Nissan, like Chris got, for a
comparitively reasonable price. Sort of. Will use the Merc for now,
and save for the Nissan later perhaps.
So the work continues this past weekend. Window frames are about
done. Registration plaque built. Rope ladder done. More sanding
done to prepare for painting soon. Next... interior fitting!
Thanks for all the kind words and ideas.
Bryan
Seattle
oops! I guess I was looking at the foredeck.
--- In bolger@y..., Vince and Mary Ann Chew <vachew@v...> wrote:
> I went back to your Web site and I realize that your after deck is
> raised higher than the one shown in the plan. This would make it
> difficult to modify the transom with a motor cut-out. The modification
> must give you a lot more storage. I haven't read all of the text yet.
> You probably explained this already.
>
> It is an attractive boat!
Bryan,
Very nice and fun site you have!Sorry I cannot help by offering up
a solution.......might be worth contacting the/a designer.
Your rendition of Escargot is cute.I look forward to seeing how you
finally finish her up.
Since seeing her,I cannot help but imagine what she would be like
if her dimensions were something like 30' X 8'.Just the thought of
full standing headroom and loads of storage,not to mention elbow
room,has me conjuring up an almost permanent live-a-board canal boat
with flower boxes all around the perimeter,solar panels on the roof
and happy souls inside!
I'll bet that as your young family grows,you too will become
haunted by such thoughts.But there will be plenty of time for dreams
later on!In the mean time,continued success with your
Escargot....she's got character!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,suddenly hungry for snails in garlic butter washed down
with full tumblers of Port,on the shores of the St.Lawrence......
Very nice and fun site you have!Sorry I cannot help by offering up
a solution.......might be worth contacting the/a designer.
Your rendition of Escargot is cute.I look forward to seeing how you
finally finish her up.
Since seeing her,I cannot help but imagine what she would be like
if her dimensions were something like 30' X 8'.Just the thought of
full standing headroom and loads of storage,not to mention elbow
room,has me conjuring up an almost permanent live-a-board canal boat
with flower boxes all around the perimeter,solar panels on the roof
and happy souls inside!
I'll bet that as your young family grows,you too will become
haunted by such thoughts.But there will be plenty of time for dreams
later on!In the mean time,continued success with your
Escargot....she's got character!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,suddenly hungry for snails in garlic butter washed down
with full tumblers of Port,on the shores of the St.Lawrence......
--- In bolger@y..., king@c... wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
> > It has been a long time since I read the designers article about
> > Escargot but if I remember correctly he had a real problem on Lake
> > Washington with the wind. More power may be needed just to deal
> with
> > that.
>
> The problem he had was because he tried to make this boat pedal
> powered. Way too much boat for that. He ended up putting about a
> TWO hp unit on it! I am sure this boat will have challenges in
> STRONG winds though.
>
> So far the advice I have gotten basically warrants me keeping the
six
> hp for awhile to see how IT does. Based upon that, I will buy the
> right sized 4 stroke.
>
> Added new pictures of our launch to the web page last night.
>http://classics.nu/boat
>
> As you can see there is still much work to be done on this boat.
I went back to your Web site and I realize that your after deck is
raised higher than the one shown in the plan. This would make it
difficult to modify the transom with a motor cut-out. The modification
must give you a lot more storage. I haven't read all of the text yet.
You probably explained this already.
It is an attractive boat!
raised higher than the one shown in the plan. This would make it
difficult to modify the transom with a motor cut-out. The modification
must give you a lot more storage. I haven't read all of the text yet.
You probably explained this already.
It is an attractive boat!
I took a look at the web site and the picture. It looks like the original, human powered drive was supposed to be a Sea Cycle lower unit. This was probably a mistake. If I'm not wrong, the Sea Cycle unit is designed for a light, fast boat with much less windage. You need something with a bigger, slower turning propellor. I'll bet it would make a huge difference in the practicality of human power for this boat. The same principles apply with motors. Propellor size and motor torque are going to be just as important as nominal horsepower. THink of the old, low power make or break engines that propelled displacement hulls adequately, turning fairly large propellors. I should think a side effect of a better match would be better fuel economy as well as better thrust.
Horsepower itself may not be too relevant. THink of how well the boat would go if you could pull it with one real horse.
PS. WHere do you get a Sea Cycle unit and how much does it cost? Might be just the thing for an exercise boat.
Horsepower itself may not be too relevant. THink of how well the boat would go if you could pull it with one real horse.
PS. WHere do you get a Sea Cycle unit and how much does it cost? Might be just the thing for an exercise boat.
--- In bolger@y..., Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 May 2001 king@c... wrote:
> > Been working for the last fourteen months on Escargot... an 18 foot
> > canal cruiser type boat.
> > It is a flat bottom boat with some rocker, just like many of the
> > Bolder designs.http://classics.nu/boat
>
> A great website, too. Been following along for what seems like years now!
>
> > I did my first test launch the other day and all went pretty well!
> > One problem I guess. I really think I need a long shaft outboard.
>
> Yes, indeed, I think you do. I'd say a 5hp is the minimum you need, and
> I'm sure that my 5hp Nissan 4-stroke would be enough, esp. if you buy the
> "power" prop that is slower but with more oomph at the low end.
>
> > Yet, when we are at a stop the boat can rock enough in the waves to
> > pull the water intake out of the water. I am sure that if all of us
> > went forward in the boat the propeller would be out of the water part
> > way.
>
> I have the same problem. There's low bouyancy in the swept-up ends, and
> the boat itself is light for its size (I am comparing my Harmonica
> mini-shanty to your boat, which shares some similarities).
>
> >
> > I would like a four stroke... but am concerned about cost and weight.
> > I do use an outboard bracket. The one I have now is good for this old
> > Merc twin six two cycle... but I may need to buy a beefier one if I
> > get a much bigger motor.
>
> Weight is good, don't worry about it. Mine is about 60 lbs, and I can
> manhandle it well enough. Get a 4-stroke, please--Lake Washington may
> have been substantially cleaned up, but adding gas and oil won't help!
>
>
> > I plan to use it in Lake Washington and a couple of flat water rivers.
> > This summer I would like to drive over to Lake Roosevelt behind Grand
> > Coulee Dam. There wind would be my only problem.
>
> For this purpose, you *need* a reliable motor. I recommend either getting
> a new one before you go, or renting a larger and more reliable one for the
> trip. The wind there can be substantial, and you will find that windage
> is a serious issue. A long paddle would do great for you as back up power
> in no-wind conditions, but in serious wind, you need lots of hp.
>
>
> Congrats on the launching!
>
>
> One issue--once you've got afloat, work on the boat tends to slack off in
> favor of boating. You'll have trouble keeping your eye on the ball!
>
> -Chris
>
> Chris Crandall crandall@u... (785) 864-4131
> Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
> I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
On Sun, 13 May 2001king@...wrote:
I'm sure that my 5hp Nissan 4-stroke would be enough, esp. if you buy the
"power" prop that is slower but with more oomph at the low end.
the boat itself is light for its size (I am comparing my Harmonica
mini-shanty to your boat, which shares some similarities).
manhandle it well enough. Get a 4-stroke, please--Lake Washington may
have been substantially cleaned up, but adding gas and oil won't help!
a new one before you go, or renting a larger and more reliable one for the
trip. The wind there can be substantial, and you will find that windage
is a serious issue. A long paddle would do great for you as back up power
in no-wind conditions, but in serious wind, you need lots of hp.
Congrats on the launching!
One issue--once you've got afloat, work on the boat tends to slack off in
favor of boating. You'll have trouble keeping your eye on the ball!
-Chris
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
> Been working for the last fourteen months on Escargot... an 18 footA great website, too. Been following along for what seems like years now!
> canal cruiser type boat.
> It is a flat bottom boat with some rocker, just like many of the
> Bolder designs.http://classics.nu/boat
> I did my first test launch the other day and all went pretty well!Yes, indeed, I think you do. I'd say a 5hp is the minimum you need, and
> One problem I guess. I really think I need a long shaft outboard.
I'm sure that my 5hp Nissan 4-stroke would be enough, esp. if you buy the
"power" prop that is slower but with more oomph at the low end.
> Yet, when we are at a stop the boat can rock enough in the waves toI have the same problem. There's low bouyancy in the swept-up ends, and
> pull the water intake out of the water. I am sure that if all of us
> went forward in the boat the propeller would be out of the water part
> way.
the boat itself is light for its size (I am comparing my Harmonica
mini-shanty to your boat, which shares some similarities).
>Weight is good, don't worry about it. Mine is about 60 lbs, and I can
> I would like a four stroke... but am concerned about cost and weight.
> I do use an outboard bracket. The one I have now is good for this old
> Merc twin six two cycle... but I may need to buy a beefier one if I
> get a much bigger motor.
manhandle it well enough. Get a 4-stroke, please--Lake Washington may
have been substantially cleaned up, but adding gas and oil won't help!
> I plan to use it in Lake Washington and a couple of flat water rivers.For this purpose, you *need* a reliable motor. I recommend either getting
> This summer I would like to drive over to Lake Roosevelt behind Grand
> Coulee Dam. There wind would be my only problem.
a new one before you go, or renting a larger and more reliable one for the
trip. The wind there can be substantial, and you will find that windage
is a serious issue. A long paddle would do great for you as back up power
in no-wind conditions, but in serious wind, you need lots of hp.
Congrats on the launching!
One issue--once you've got afloat, work on the boat tends to slack off in
favor of boating. You'll have trouble keeping your eye on the ball!
-Chris
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
--- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
powered. Way too much boat for that. He ended up putting about a
TWO hp unit on it! I am sure this boat will have challenges in
STRONG winds though.
So far the advice I have gotten basically warrants me keeping the six
hp for awhile to see how IT does. Based upon that, I will buy the
right sized 4 stroke.
Added new pictures of our launch to the web page last night.
http://classics.nu/boat
As you can see there is still much work to be done on this boat.
> It has been a long time since I read the designers article aboutwith
> Escargot but if I remember correctly he had a real problem on Lake
> Washington with the wind. More power may be needed just to deal
> that.The problem he had was because he tried to make this boat pedal
powered. Way too much boat for that. He ended up putting about a
TWO hp unit on it! I am sure this boat will have challenges in
STRONG winds though.
So far the advice I have gotten basically warrants me keeping the six
hp for awhile to see how IT does. Based upon that, I will buy the
right sized 4 stroke.
Added new pictures of our launch to the web page last night.
http://classics.nu/boat
As you can see there is still much work to be done on this boat.
It has been a long time since I read the designers article about
Escargot but if I remember correctly he had a real problem on Lake
Washington with the wind. More power may be needed just to deal with
that.
Escargot but if I remember correctly he had a real problem on Lake
Washington with the wind. More power may be needed just to deal with
that.
--- In bolger@y..., "Don and Dianne" <don_dihodges@k...> wrote:
> Depending on the weight, your rockered 18 footer probably won't
accomodate
> much horsepower - the "squatting" under power says she is probably
trying to
> exceed hull speed, and any additional power will just get more
squat, not
> much more speed. 6 HP sounds like the high end to me, 4 might do
unless
> heading to wind in conditions probably too severe anyway.
>
> Honda has some nice 4-strokes in the sub-4 HP range. There has been
a lot
> of discussion on the seapearl@y... list. You might want to go
> there on the web and look through the archived messages. The Sea
Pearl 21
> owners are a very knowledgeable group, and I think they have covered
every
> aspect of features, etc.
>
> Don Hodges
> www.ECoastLife.com
> Your Emerald Coast Cyber-Vacation
> Small-Boat Building, Fishing, Cruising
> UPDATED Opinion on Local Issues
Depending on the weight, your rockered 18 footer probably won't accomodate
much horsepower - the "squatting" under power says she is probably trying to
exceed hull speed, and any additional power will just get more squat, not
much more speed. 6 HP sounds like the high end to me, 4 might do unless
heading to wind in conditions probably too severe anyway.
Honda has some nice 4-strokes in the sub-4 HP range. There has been a lot
of discussion on theseapearl@yahoogroups.comlist. You might want to go
there on the web and look through the archived messages. The Sea Pearl 21
owners are a very knowledgeable group, and I think they have covered every
aspect of features, etc.
Don Hodges
www.ECoastLife.com
Your Emerald Coast Cyber-Vacation
Small-Boat Building, Fishing, Cruising
UPDATED Opinion on Local Issues
much horsepower - the "squatting" under power says she is probably trying to
exceed hull speed, and any additional power will just get more squat, not
much more speed. 6 HP sounds like the high end to me, 4 might do unless
heading to wind in conditions probably too severe anyway.
Honda has some nice 4-strokes in the sub-4 HP range. There has been a lot
of discussion on theseapearl@yahoogroups.comlist. You might want to go
there on the web and look through the archived messages. The Sea Pearl 21
owners are a very knowledgeable group, and I think they have covered every
aspect of features, etc.
Don Hodges
www.ECoastLife.com
Your Emerald Coast Cyber-Vacation
Small-Boat Building, Fishing, Cruising
UPDATED Opinion on Local Issues
Been working for the last fourteen months on Escargot... an 18 foot
canal cruiser type boat. I am in Seattle and have several rivers
and Lake Washington to cruise in. The original design was for the
craft to be peddle powered. The designer found, no surprise, that
the boat was just too big for such things. So, he mounted an
outboard bracket on the back, put on a TWO hp motor, and used it a
few times in Lake Washington.
Well, I am getting close to being done on MY version. I thought
since the boat does share a few features with a Bolger type boat I
could ask a question here. It is a flat bottom boat with some
rocker, just like many of the Bolder designs.http://classics.nu/boat
I did my first test launch the other day and all went pretty well!
One problem I guess. I really think I need a long shaft outboard.
I got a short shaft 6 hp Merc. The boat rolls back a bit when
underway. Understandable given the shape. This lowers the motor in
the water so low that the bracket is slightly dragging in the
water. Yet, when we are at a stop the boat can rock enough in the
waves to pull the water intake out of the water. I am sure that if
all of us went forward in the boat the propeller would be out of the
water part way. Plus, this outboard was built when I was about
eleven years old..... a 33 year old outboard as my only power.
Even though it is remarkably clean looking and has been rebuilt
within the past year.... . I just want to get a new motor.... and a
long shaft. A little unsure of what power to get.
I am new to this and ask your advice.
Here are the factors as I see them:
I would like a four stroke... but am concerned about cost and
weight. I do use an outboard bracket. The one I have now is good
for this old Merc twin six two cycle... but I may need to buy a
beefier one if I get a much bigger motor.
The boat moves along pretty well... as fast or faster than I want it
to with the six in calm conditions.
I plan to use it in Lake Washington and a couple of flat water
rivers. This summer I would like to drive over to Lake Roosevelt
behind Grand Coulee Dam. There wind would be my only problem.
Money is an object, but so is peace of mind!
Thanks for any thoughts you may have.
Bryan
Seattle
canal cruiser type boat. I am in Seattle and have several rivers
and Lake Washington to cruise in. The original design was for the
craft to be peddle powered. The designer found, no surprise, that
the boat was just too big for such things. So, he mounted an
outboard bracket on the back, put on a TWO hp motor, and used it a
few times in Lake Washington.
Well, I am getting close to being done on MY version. I thought
since the boat does share a few features with a Bolger type boat I
could ask a question here. It is a flat bottom boat with some
rocker, just like many of the Bolder designs.http://classics.nu/boat
I did my first test launch the other day and all went pretty well!
One problem I guess. I really think I need a long shaft outboard.
I got a short shaft 6 hp Merc. The boat rolls back a bit when
underway. Understandable given the shape. This lowers the motor in
the water so low that the bracket is slightly dragging in the
water. Yet, when we are at a stop the boat can rock enough in the
waves to pull the water intake out of the water. I am sure that if
all of us went forward in the boat the propeller would be out of the
water part way. Plus, this outboard was built when I was about
eleven years old..... a 33 year old outboard as my only power.
Even though it is remarkably clean looking and has been rebuilt
within the past year.... . I just want to get a new motor.... and a
long shaft. A little unsure of what power to get.
I am new to this and ask your advice.
Here are the factors as I see them:
I would like a four stroke... but am concerned about cost and
weight. I do use an outboard bracket. The one I have now is good
for this old Merc twin six two cycle... but I may need to buy a
beefier one if I get a much bigger motor.
The boat moves along pretty well... as fast or faster than I want it
to with the six in calm conditions.
I plan to use it in Lake Washington and a couple of flat water
rivers. This summer I would like to drive over to Lake Roosevelt
behind Grand Coulee Dam. There wind would be my only problem.
Money is an object, but so is peace of mind!
Thanks for any thoughts you may have.
Bryan
Seattle