Re: [bolger] Re: FYI Lauan Description
I would like to find a source for luan door skins, which would allow one to build up epoxy laminate
or super marine ply. Clyde
jeff@...wrote:
or super marine ply. Clyde
jeff@...wrote:
> Exactly how I'm going to use it. As a poor mans mahoganey laminate.
> I want to have some varnished wood on the sides of my Tennessee in an
> attempt to get a 20's look to her. I'll start with my 3/8" ply sides
> with glass and expoy, then on the top sides of about 15 inches or so
> above the sheer line, I'm thinking of adding a layer of lauan on top
> and epoxy coat it then varnish to get the "look" I'd like.
>
> Still pondering it for now though.
>
> Jeff
>
> --- In bolger@y..., cadbury@s... wrote:
> > --- In bolger@y..., Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 22 May 2001 djost@m... wrote:
> > > > Having had a near death experience in a Luan ply planked Diablo
> > (only
> > > > the fiberglass sheathing saved my life, I would recommend it
> for
> > use
> > > > on only disposable boats close to shore (swimable distance).
> > >
> > > There's lauan, and there's lauan. Keep in mind that the post was
> > about
> > > solid lumber, not plywood.
> > >
> > > The problem with most lauan plywood is the you have one BIG ply
> and
> > two
> > > small plys. There's nothing inherently wrong with the wood used
> to
> > make
> > > the plywood.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I agree with Chris, but would like to add one point: All of the
> > Luan that I have seen is called "5.2 mm nominal" and my calipers
> > say it is about 3/16" thick.
> >
> > If you use this stuff where 1/4" ply is called for, you are
> > building to lighter scantlings than the designer called for.
> >
> > I used 5.2 mm luan for the cabin roofs (where no one should
> > be standing or sitting) and also also as a "facing" (stained
> > and varnished) on the transom of my AF4.
> >
> > I don't know if I would attempt to build a whole boat out of
> > the stuff, unless I could find it in thicker sheets.
> >
> >
> > Max
>
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Exactly how I'm going to use it. As a poor mans mahoganey laminate.
I want to have some varnished wood on the sides of my Tennessee in an
attempt to get a 20's look to her. I'll start with my 3/8" ply sides
with glass and expoy, then on the top sides of about 15 inches or so
above the sheer line, I'm thinking of adding a layer of lauan on top
and epoxy coat it then varnish to get the "look" I'd like.
Still pondering it for now though.
Jeff
I want to have some varnished wood on the sides of my Tennessee in an
attempt to get a 20's look to her. I'll start with my 3/8" ply sides
with glass and expoy, then on the top sides of about 15 inches or so
above the sheer line, I'm thinking of adding a layer of lauan on top
and epoxy coat it then varnish to get the "look" I'd like.
Still pondering it for now though.
Jeff
--- In bolger@y..., cadbury@s... wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 May 2001 djost@m... wrote:
> > > Having had a near death experience in a Luan ply planked Diablo
> (only
> > > the fiberglass sheathing saved my life, I would recommend it
for
> use
> > > on only disposable boats close to shore (swimable distance).
> >
> > There's lauan, and there's lauan. Keep in mind that the post was
> about
> > solid lumber, not plywood.
> >
> > The problem with most lauan plywood is the you have one BIG ply
and
> two
> > small plys. There's nothing inherently wrong with the wood used
to
> make
> > the plywood.
> >
> >
>
> I agree with Chris, but would like to add one point: All of the
> Luan that I have seen is called "5.2 mm nominal" and my calipers
> say it is about 3/16" thick.
>
> If you use this stuff where 1/4" ply is called for, you are
> building to lighter scantlings than the designer called for.
>
> I used 5.2 mm luan for the cabin roofs (where no one should
> be standing or sitting) and also also as a "facing" (stained
> and varnished) on the transom of my AF4.
>
> I don't know if I would attempt to build a whole boat out of
> the stuff, unless I could find it in thicker sheets.
>
>
> Max
--- In bolger@y..., Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
Luan that I have seen is called "5.2 mm nominal" and my calipers
say it is about 3/16" thick.
If you use this stuff where 1/4" ply is called for, you are
building to lighter scantlings than the designer called for.
I used 5.2 mm luan for the cabin roofs (where no one should
be standing or sitting) and also also as a "facing" (stained
and varnished) on the transom of my AF4.
I don't know if I would attempt to build a whole boat out of
the stuff, unless I could find it in thicker sheets.
Max
> On Tue, 22 May 2001 djost@m... wrote:(only
> > Having had a near death experience in a Luan ply planked Diablo
> > the fiberglass sheathing saved my life, I would recommend it foruse
> > on only disposable boats close to shore (swimable distance).about
>
> There's lauan, and there's lauan. Keep in mind that the post was
> solid lumber, not plywood.two
>
> The problem with most lauan plywood is the you have one BIG ply and
> small plys. There's nothing inherently wrong with the wood used tomake
> the plywood.I agree with Chris, but would like to add one point: All of the
>
>
Luan that I have seen is called "5.2 mm nominal" and my calipers
say it is about 3/16" thick.
If you use this stuff where 1/4" ply is called for, you are
building to lighter scantlings than the designer called for.
I used 5.2 mm luan for the cabin roofs (where no one should
be standing or sitting) and also also as a "facing" (stained
and varnished) on the transom of my AF4.
I don't know if I would attempt to build a whole boat out of
the stuff, unless I could find it in thicker sheets.
Max
You don't need a bulletproof vest. Just don't confuse wood (Luan) with
glue. Luan plywood with waterproof glue is a lot better than the
Douglasfir plywood available today marine or otherwise. If you use
"underlayment" for boats expect the glue to desolve if it gets
waterlogged. I would not depend on the label "exterior" either. MARINE
plywood is for boats. Bob Chamberland
glue. Luan plywood with waterproof glue is a lot better than the
Douglasfir plywood available today marine or otherwise. If you use
"underlayment" for boats expect the glue to desolve if it gets
waterlogged. I would not depend on the label "exterior" either. MARINE
plywood is for boats. Bob Chamberland
--- In bolger@y..., djost@m... wrote:
> Having had a near death experience in a Luan ply planked Diablo
(only
> the fiberglass sheathing saved my life, I would recommend it for use
> on only disposable boats close to shore (swimable distance). That
> said, the conservationist in my says to use plywood certified
> exterior grade and to use that suspiciously as well. Why build a
> disposable boat when you can do it build it to last and let other
> people enjoy your creation. Imagine if the great artists and
> musicians created disposable art or music. Oops, I forgot about
> Yanni, elevator music, and the famous "dogs playing poker" in
crushed
> velvet.
>
> this should fire off a few responses :-)I will go get my bullet
proof
> vest out!
>
> David Jost
> "immensely enjoying this moment of artistic snobbery"
>
>
>
> re, siding, interior trim, and doors. It
> > is used as a substrate in paneling manufacture. Red lauan has
> > excellent waterproof properties making it especially popular for
> boat
> > construction.
> >
> >
> > ***************************************************
>There's lauan, and there's lauan. Keep in mind that the post was aboutLast night at home depot I saw something they were calling "Luan
>solid lumber, not plywood.
>
>The problem with most lauan plywood is the you have one BIG ply and two
>small plys. There's nothing inherently wrong with the wood used to make
>the plywood.
hardwood plywood" It was 3/4" and had 2 thin, smooth skins like the
1/4" luan we're used to and seven(7!) plies in between -- nine all
together. Cheaper than AC doug fir of the same thickness.
Anyone seen it? Anyone used it?
YIBB,
David
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On Tue, 22 May 2001djost@...wrote:
solid lumber, not plywood.
The problem with most lauan plywood is the you have one BIG ply and two
small plys. There's nothing inherently wrong with the wood used to make
the plywood.
high-acid paper: Most of the work of Toulouse-Lautrec is on cheap brown
paper, and conservationists have nightmares over Picasso's and many of the
impressionists' work.
All that lives is born to die--just ask the 12 centuries-old Buddha
statues that just bit the dust in Pakistan. Even stone is not immune to
the elements, if dynamite is one of them. (And I don't mean the Payson
kind.)
> Having had a near death experience in a Luan ply planked Diablo (onlyThere's lauan, and there's lauan. Keep in mind that the post was about
> the fiberglass sheathing saved my life, I would recommend it for use
> on only disposable boats close to shore (swimable distance).
solid lumber, not plywood.
The problem with most lauan plywood is the you have one BIG ply and two
small plys. There's nothing inherently wrong with the wood used to make
the plywood.
> Imagine if the great artists and musicians created disposable art orAlas, most of them did. Consider all the watercolors and pastels done on
> music.
high-acid paper: Most of the work of Toulouse-Lautrec is on cheap brown
paper, and conservationists have nightmares over Picasso's and many of the
impressionists' work.
All that lives is born to die--just ask the 12 centuries-old Buddha
statues that just bit the dust in Pakistan. Even stone is not immune to
the elements, if dynamite is one of them. (And I don't mean the Payson
kind.)
Having had a near death experience in a Luan ply planked Diablo (only
the fiberglass sheathing saved my life, I would recommend it for use
on only disposable boats close to shore (swimable distance). That
said, the conservationist in my says to use plywood certified
exterior grade and to use that suspiciously as well. Why build a
disposable boat when you can do it build it to last and let other
people enjoy your creation. Imagine if the great artists and
musicians created disposable art or music. Oops, I forgot about
Yanni, elevator music, and the famous "dogs playing poker" in crushed
velvet.
this should fire off a few responses :-)I will go get my bullet proof
vest out!
David Jost
"immensely enjoying this moment of artistic snobbery"
re, siding, interior trim, and doors. It
the fiberglass sheathing saved my life, I would recommend it for use
on only disposable boats close to shore (swimable distance). That
said, the conservationist in my says to use plywood certified
exterior grade and to use that suspiciously as well. Why build a
disposable boat when you can do it build it to last and let other
people enjoy your creation. Imagine if the great artists and
musicians created disposable art or music. Oops, I forgot about
Yanni, elevator music, and the famous "dogs playing poker" in crushed
velvet.
this should fire off a few responses :-)I will go get my bullet proof
vest out!
David Jost
"immensely enjoying this moment of artistic snobbery"
re, siding, interior trim, and doors. It
> is used as a substrate in paneling manufacture. Red lauan hasboat
> excellent waterproof properties making it especially popular for
> construction.
>
>
> ***************************************************
I searched the site for a good description of Luan but couldn't find
any so found the following. It doesn't answer anything as far as how
we use it for boat building but interesting anyway:
*****************************************************
LAUAN
Wide buttressed trunk base grows straight up to 60 feet high before
branching out. Trunk diameter averages 3 to 5 feet. Distribution
Southeast Asia from the Philippine Islands south and west throughout
Indonesia. Although referred to in the industry as "Philippine
mahogany," lauan is lauan and is not mahogany; the same as oak is oak
and is not maple. Because lauan is a tropical wood and also has the
same colors, uses, and many characteristics of genuine mahogany, it
is understandable that it has acquired this, sometimes confusing,
nick name.
It is difficult to describe lauan without comparing it to genuine
mahogany. It is a heavy hardwood. It ranges in color from dark rich
red through light pink to pale grayish brown. The dark woods are
known as red lauan and the light woods are called white lauan.
Although coarser in texture and softer than true mahogany, lauan is
actually of the same strength. However, lauan is less stable under
moisture changes and less disease resistant, but, once properly
seasoned, is dependable, long lived and very stable.
Because it is coarse, lauan needs more sanding, but it cuts and saws
more easily than its more expensive counterpart. Treated properly, it
finishes very satisfactorily. The main use of lauan includes:
paneling, cabinetry, furniture, siding, interior trim, and doors. It
is used as a substrate in paneling manufacture. Red lauan has
excellent waterproof properties making it especially popular for boat
construction.
***************************************************
any so found the following. It doesn't answer anything as far as how
we use it for boat building but interesting anyway:
*****************************************************
LAUAN
Wide buttressed trunk base grows straight up to 60 feet high before
branching out. Trunk diameter averages 3 to 5 feet. Distribution
Southeast Asia from the Philippine Islands south and west throughout
Indonesia. Although referred to in the industry as "Philippine
mahogany," lauan is lauan and is not mahogany; the same as oak is oak
and is not maple. Because lauan is a tropical wood and also has the
same colors, uses, and many characteristics of genuine mahogany, it
is understandable that it has acquired this, sometimes confusing,
nick name.
It is difficult to describe lauan without comparing it to genuine
mahogany. It is a heavy hardwood. It ranges in color from dark rich
red through light pink to pale grayish brown. The dark woods are
known as red lauan and the light woods are called white lauan.
Although coarser in texture and softer than true mahogany, lauan is
actually of the same strength. However, lauan is less stable under
moisture changes and less disease resistant, but, once properly
seasoned, is dependable, long lived and very stable.
Because it is coarse, lauan needs more sanding, but it cuts and saws
more easily than its more expensive counterpart. Treated properly, it
finishes very satisfactorily. The main use of lauan includes:
paneling, cabinetry, furniture, siding, interior trim, and doors. It
is used as a substrate in paneling manufacture. Red lauan has
excellent waterproof properties making it especially popular for boat
construction.
***************************************************