Re: Re; Tears in Paradise
I don't know whether PCB makes any money from Dynamite or CSD/CSB.
However, I purchased 4 sets of PCB plans (Micro and Long Micro from
CSD, Bobcat and Chebacco from Dynamite), the Bobcat book and two PCB
books ("103 sailing rigs" and BWAOM), other then other books from
Dynamite. By the way, when I bought the two Micro plans, I didn't
even know that it would have been possible to get the plans from
PCB&F.
However, if you compare the above with a total of zero questions
asked to the designer, it looks a pretty good deal...
Best, Pippo
However, I purchased 4 sets of PCB plans (Micro and Long Micro from
CSD, Bobcat and Chebacco from Dynamite), the Bobcat book and two PCB
books ("103 sailing rigs" and BWAOM), other then other books from
Dynamite. By the way, when I bought the two Micro plans, I didn't
even know that it would have been possible to get the plans from
PCB&F.
However, if you compare the above with a total of zero questions
asked to the designer, it looks a pretty good deal...
Best, Pippo
--- In bolger@y..., "Samson Family" <Bill.Samson@t...> wrote:
> Gee whiz! I've been trying to keep my keyboard silent on this
issue -
> biting my cyberlip, as you might say.
>
> I think it is generally agreed among us (otherwise why would we be
here?)
> that Phil is a great boat designer. Many (all?) of us have fallen
in love
> with one or more of his designs.
>
> Unfortunately, he has become a cult figure, and we probably expect
him to be
> better than human in all respects ( - not just his boat designs).
>
> Many of us ( - no names, no pack drill -) are cheapskates. F'r
instance we
> prefer to build from the dimensions in the books rather than pay the
> relatively paltry sum he (or Dynamite) asks for the proper plans
which DO
> make life MUCH easier. Nevertheless, some of us expect him to be
at our
> beck and call whenever we encounter a glitch (arising from our own
> stupidity, usually) while we're building! Now if he charged $20 a
> consultancy for every glitch, I suspect his mailbox would contain
little but
> bills and junk-mail - Instead, we'd put on our thinking caps and
sort out
> the glitch for ourselves. Nevertheless, ask any consultant (any
topic), and
> you'll find that $20 would be a steal for us! For f***s sake - I
have to
> pay $50 to get a guy to come and look at my washing machine - never
mind
> fixing it! Is this guy a genius of the same caliber as Phil? Go
figure!
>
> There have been veiled grumblings about "it wasn't like this before
he got
> married". Any wife worth her salt will look after her husband's
interests
> and point out to him when he's being pissed about (- at least MINE
does).
> And pissed about was what he was being, I guess.
>
> There have been various books quoted (e.g. Annie Hill's "Voyaging
on a Small
> Income") to indicate that Phil doesn't mind people building from the
> dimensions in his books. Annie DID offer to pay a royalty for the
Tortoise
> she built from the book, and Phil declined graciously. How many of
the rest
> of us have made him a similar offer? If the cap fits . . .?
>
> So come on guys. Phil has to make a living like the rest of us.
He's
> certainly worthy of his hire, so let's not be stingey.
>
> Bill ( on his high horse )
*snip*
While I have lamented some of the business decisions made by PCB&F, I too
admire Bill's eloquence, and in fact agree with his position. I would add
this: PCB & SA are literally a mom and pop business. As such, they do not
have unlimited resources. Taking a small concern like theirs to the
internet represents a significant investment in time and/or money. I think
that you will find that most small online stores are there because one of
the principals has spent a whole lot of time doing the required work
himself. If neither mom nor pop is competent in computers and html or
inclined to learn those skills, the business will stay back in the twentieth
century. I do not have a problem with that.
Chuck
> Although there are some, like Pippo andPeter:
> Chuck, that have perhaps more personal experiences with those
> weaknesses and God knows I ain't above whinning(especially on a dry
> throat) we should look beyond, toward the good!
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,stuck inside because of the rain and wishing he had a
> high horsey to ride, on the shores of the St.Lawrence..........
>
While I have lamented some of the business decisions made by PCB&F, I too
admire Bill's eloquence, and in fact agree with his position. I would add
this: PCB & SA are literally a mom and pop business. As such, they do not
have unlimited resources. Taking a small concern like theirs to the
internet represents a significant investment in time and/or money. I think
that you will find that most small online stores are there because one of
the principals has spent a whole lot of time doing the required work
himself. If neither mom nor pop is competent in computers and html or
inclined to learn those skills, the business will stay back in the twentieth
century. I do not have a problem with that.
Chuck
Holy Jumping Jimminy Bill........you sure do pack a full pistol! I
sure wish I could shoot from the hip like that!Between you and
I,what's your secret? I've been hankering to broaden my palate lately
and have been caught a few times giving the Guiness display the come
hither look but have always backed down at the last minute from that
dark beauty for fear of becoming forever lost in its' magic.Are my
fears well founded?Should I keep to the micro breweries and finer
imported reds from Italy?I won't ask about the single malts......much
too refined for my plebeian tastes even when proffered in wee drams!
Anyway,enjoyed the forthright,almost stinging, observations and hope
that folks will take the good from it.Building and boating are just
too fine a thing to let slip by in favour of whinning about our heros'
human qualities/weaknesses.Although there are some,like Pippo and
Chuck,that have perhaps more personel experiences with those
weaknesses and God knows I ain't above whinning(especially on a dry
throat) we should look beyond,toward the good!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,stuck inside because of the rain and wishing he had a
high horsey to ride,on the shores of the St.Lawrence..........
sure wish I could shoot from the hip like that!Between you and
I,what's your secret? I've been hankering to broaden my palate lately
and have been caught a few times giving the Guiness display the come
hither look but have always backed down at the last minute from that
dark beauty for fear of becoming forever lost in its' magic.Are my
fears well founded?Should I keep to the micro breweries and finer
imported reds from Italy?I won't ask about the single malts......much
too refined for my plebeian tastes even when proffered in wee drams!
Anyway,enjoyed the forthright,almost stinging, observations and hope
that folks will take the good from it.Building and boating are just
too fine a thing to let slip by in favour of whinning about our heros'
human qualities/weaknesses.Although there are some,like Pippo and
Chuck,that have perhaps more personel experiences with those
weaknesses and God knows I ain't above whinning(especially on a dry
throat) we should look beyond,toward the good!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,stuck inside because of the rain and wishing he had a
high horsey to ride,on the shores of the St.Lawrence..........
--- In bolger@y..., "Samson Family" <Bill.Samson@t...> wrote:
> Gee whiz! I've been trying to keep my keyboard silent on this issue
-
> biting my cyberlip, as you might say.
>
> I think it is generally agreed among us (otherwise why would we be
here?)
> that Phil is a great boat designer. Many (all?) of us have fallen
in love
> with one or more of his designs.
>
> Unfortunately, he has become a cult figure, and we probably expect
him to be
> better than human in all respects ( - not just his boat designs).
>
> Many of us ( - no names, no pack drill -) are cheapskates. F'r
instance we
> prefer to build from the dimensions in the books rather than pay the
> relatively paltry sum he (or Dynamite) asks for the proper plans
which DO
> make life MUCH easier. Nevertheless, some of us expect him to be at
our
> beck and call whenever we encounter a glitch (arising from our own
> stupidity, usually) while we're building! Now if he charged $20 a
> consultancy for every glitch, I suspect his mailbox would contain
little but
> bills and junk-mail - Instead, we'd put on our thinking caps and
sort out
> the glitch for ourselves. Nevertheless, ask any consultant (any
topic), and
> you'll find that $20 would be a steal for us! For f***s sake - I
have to
> pay $50 to get a guy to come and look at my washing machine - never
mind
> fixing it! Is this guy a genius of the same caliber as Phil? Go
figure!
>
> There have been veiled grumblings about "it wasn't like this before
he got
> married". Any wife worth her salt will look after her husband's
interests
> and point out to him when he's being pissed about (- at least MINE
does).
> And pissed about was what he was being, I guess.
>
> There have been various books quoted (e.g. Annie Hill's "Voyaging on
a Small
> Income") to indicate that Phil doesn't mind people building from the
> dimensions in his books. Annie DID offer to pay a royalty for the
Tortoise
> she built from the book, and Phil declined graciously. How many of
the rest
> of us have made him a similar offer? If the cap fits . . .?
>
> So come on guys. Phil has to make a living like the rest of us.
He's
> certainly worthy of his hire, so let's not be stingey.
>
> Bill ( on his high horse )
Gee whiz! I've been trying to keep my keyboard silent on this issue -
biting my cyberlip, as you might say.
I think it is generally agreed among us (otherwise why would we be here?)
that Phil is a great boat designer. Many (all?) of us have fallen in love
with one or more of his designs.
Unfortunately, he has become a cult figure, and we probably expect him to be
better than human in all respects ( - not just his boat designs).
Many of us ( - no names, no pack drill -) are cheapskates. F'r instance we
prefer to build from the dimensions in the books rather than pay the
relatively paltry sum he (or Dynamite) asks for the proper plans which DO
make life MUCH easier. Nevertheless, some of us expect him to be at our
beck and call whenever we encounter a glitch (arising from our own
stupidity, usually) while we're building! Now if he charged $20 a
consultancy for every glitch, I suspect his mailbox would contain little but
bills and junk-mail - Instead, we'd put on our thinking caps and sort out
the glitch for ourselves. Nevertheless, ask any consultant (any topic), and
you'll find that $20 would be a steal for us! For f***s sake - I have to
pay $50 to get a guy to come and look at my washing machine - never mind
fixing it! Is this guy a genius of the same caliber as Phil? Go figure!
There have been veiled grumblings about "it wasn't like this before he got
married". Any wife worth her salt will look after her husband's interests
and point out to him when he's being pissed about (- at least MINE does).
And pissed about was what he was being, I guess.
There have been various books quoted (e.g. Annie Hill's "Voyaging on a Small
Income") to indicate that Phil doesn't mind people building from the
dimensions in his books. Annie DID offer to pay a royalty for the Tortoise
she built from the book, and Phil declined graciously. How many of the rest
of us have made him a similar offer? If the cap fits . . .?
So come on guys. Phil has to make a living like the rest of us. He's
certainly worthy of his hire, so let's not be stingey.
Bill ( on his high horse )
biting my cyberlip, as you might say.
I think it is generally agreed among us (otherwise why would we be here?)
that Phil is a great boat designer. Many (all?) of us have fallen in love
with one or more of his designs.
Unfortunately, he has become a cult figure, and we probably expect him to be
better than human in all respects ( - not just his boat designs).
Many of us ( - no names, no pack drill -) are cheapskates. F'r instance we
prefer to build from the dimensions in the books rather than pay the
relatively paltry sum he (or Dynamite) asks for the proper plans which DO
make life MUCH easier. Nevertheless, some of us expect him to be at our
beck and call whenever we encounter a glitch (arising from our own
stupidity, usually) while we're building! Now if he charged $20 a
consultancy for every glitch, I suspect his mailbox would contain little but
bills and junk-mail - Instead, we'd put on our thinking caps and sort out
the glitch for ourselves. Nevertheless, ask any consultant (any topic), and
you'll find that $20 would be a steal for us! For f***s sake - I have to
pay $50 to get a guy to come and look at my washing machine - never mind
fixing it! Is this guy a genius of the same caliber as Phil? Go figure!
There have been veiled grumblings about "it wasn't like this before he got
married". Any wife worth her salt will look after her husband's interests
and point out to him when he's being pissed about (- at least MINE does).
And pissed about was what he was being, I guess.
There have been various books quoted (e.g. Annie Hill's "Voyaging on a Small
Income") to indicate that Phil doesn't mind people building from the
dimensions in his books. Annie DID offer to pay a royalty for the Tortoise
she built from the book, and Phil declined graciously. How many of the rest
of us have made him a similar offer? If the cap fits . . .?
So come on guys. Phil has to make a living like the rest of us. He's
certainly worthy of his hire, so let's not be stingey.
Bill ( on his high horse )