Re: Water Filled Floaters
I think you may have to take some samples. Alternatively, you can
swamp your boat and see how it floats/sinks! I wonder if you could use
one of those gadgets meant to measure soil moisture. THese are
very cheap, and kind of like a long needle and work by electrical
conductivity, or maybe some kind of corrosion effect, as they don't
seem to have a battery. Could probably stab into foam thru 1/4" hole.
If you take my advice, I would hope you could find another source
for this gadget than Home Despot. Otherwise 10 years from now, the
only lumber/hardware items you will be able to buy will be 1/2" ply,
16d nails, and offwhite latex paint. Anything else will be some kind
of special or mail order. And you'll still have to drive 15 miles to
the megastore that they will consolidate into after driving out all
the good places.
swamp your boat and see how it floats/sinks! I wonder if you could use
one of those gadgets meant to measure soil moisture. THese are
very cheap, and kind of like a long needle and work by electrical
conductivity, or maybe some kind of corrosion effect, as they don't
seem to have a battery. Could probably stab into foam thru 1/4" hole.
If you take my advice, I would hope you could find another source
for this gadget than Home Despot. Otherwise 10 years from now, the
only lumber/hardware items you will be able to buy will be 1/2" ply,
16d nails, and offwhite latex paint. Anything else will be some kind
of special or mail order. And you'll still have to drive 15 miles to
the megastore that they will consolidate into after driving out all
the good places.
--- In bolger@y..., jtamez@c... wrote:
> How can I determine if the Foam is Waterlogged???
>
>
>
>
> "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@m...> on 05/30/2001 12:08:11 PM
>
> Please respond to bolger@y...
>
> To: bolger@y...
> cc: (bcc: Josue Tamez/DRL)
>
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Water Filled Floaters
>
>
>
> I think it's probably a good idea to see if the foam is waterlogged
and if it
> drains out. Wen I was a kid we had a boat which theoretically had
positive
> floatation, but it sank at the dock several times when the waves
filled it. If
> the foam won't drain, you'd better replace it. I should think the
fiberglass
> piece would peel right off when properly persuaded at one edge. Foam
isn't very
> strong.
> --- In bolger@y..., tetherin@j... wrote:
> > --- In bolger@y..., jtamez@c... wrote:
> > Josh
> >
> > Maybe my experience can help you. I have a 17 foot daysailer
which
> > an outer hull and an inner hull sandwiched together. Water got in
> > between the hulls and there is no way to get it out. I drilled a
> > small hole (about 3/8 inch) in the bottom of the boat at the
lowest
> > point and let the water drain. After giving it time to dry (all
> > winter) I plugged up the hole with epoxy. Problem solved.
> >
> > I don't see why you want to take the foam out. It was probably a
> > solid piece glued in place before they assembled the two halves of
> > the fiberglass floaters. It would be easier and cheaper to do it
> > that way. Unless there is some other damage to the foam, the
water
> > won't hurt it. Just let the water out and plug up the hole.>
Hello,
> > >
> > > I have a 22ft Sun Runner Cuddy Cabin, model 1980. The boat has
one
> > > big floater on each side of the bilge (total 2), each floater
size
> > is
> > > aprox. 1ft (high) x 2ft (wide) x 9ft (long). The inside part of
the
> > > boat (also made of fiberglass) covers these floaters,
> > > I think the boat was assembled and then the floater (liquid) was
> > > inserted thrugh some holes. Those holes (1 inch -diameter) have
> > > come loose and water has gone inside the compartment. I figure
to
> > cut
> > > some of the cover to extract the foam and the water,
> > > I made a cut about 5 inches from the bilge floor and water came
> > out,
> > > about one pint, but after cutting a big chunk of the
> > > "inside cover fiberglass", it doesn't come loose, I figure
because
> > > the foam is glued somehow to the cover.
> > > The foam is not all wet, only from the bilge to about 10-14
inches
> > > from the bilge is wet, the other parts (close to the sides) are
not
> > > wet.
> > >
> > > My questions are:
> > > 1.- Should I open this compartment to take out the water or
should
> > I
> > > leave the floaters as they are???
> > > 2.- If the answer of #1 is yes, then how do I separate
> > > the "fiberglass cover" from the foam???
> > > should I make several small cuts (1.5-2 ft2) to separate them???
> > > 3.- What foam do I use to replace the old foam???
> > > 4.- How wide should the fiberglass patch cover the cut I've
done???
> > >
> > > Thank you in advance.... I really hope somebody can give me some
> > > direction...
> > >
> > > Josh
>
>
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How can I determine if the Foam is Waterlogged???
"Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...> on 05/30/2001 12:08:11 PM
Please respond tobolger@yahoogroups.com
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
cc: (bcc: Josue Tamez/DRL)
Subject: [bolger] Re: Water Filled Floaters
I think it's probably a good idea to see if the foam is waterlogged and if it
drains out. Wen I was a kid we had a boat which theoretically had positive
floatation, but it sank at the dock several times when the waves filled it. If
the foam won't drain, you'd better replace it. I should think the fiberglass
piece would peel right off when properly persuaded at one edge. Foam isn't very
strong.
"Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...> on 05/30/2001 12:08:11 PM
Please respond tobolger@yahoogroups.com
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
cc: (bcc: Josue Tamez/DRL)
Subject: [bolger] Re: Water Filled Floaters
I think it's probably a good idea to see if the foam is waterlogged and if it
drains out. Wen I was a kid we had a boat which theoretically had positive
floatation, but it sank at the dock several times when the waves filled it. If
the foam won't drain, you'd better replace it. I should think the fiberglass
piece would peel right off when properly persuaded at one edge. Foam isn't very
strong.
--- In bolger@y..., tetherin@j... wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., jtamez@c... wrote:
> Josh
>
> Maybe my experience can help you. I have a 17 foot daysailer which
> an outer hull and an inner hull sandwiched together. Water got in
> between the hulls and there is no way to get it out. I drilled a
> small hole (about 3/8 inch) in the bottom of the boat at the lowest
> point and let the water drain. After giving it time to dry (all
> winter) I plugged up the hole with epoxy. Problem solved.
>
> I don't see why you want to take the foam out. It was probably a
> solid piece glued in place before they assembled the two halves of
> the fiberglass floaters. It would be easier and cheaper to do it
> that way. Unless there is some other damage to the foam, the water
> won't hurt it. Just let the water out and plug up the hole.> Hello,
> >
> > I have a 22ft Sun Runner Cuddy Cabin, model 1980. The boat has one
> > big floater on each side of the bilge (total 2), each floater size
> is
> > aprox. 1ft (high) x 2ft (wide) x 9ft (long). The inside part of the
> > boat (also made of fiberglass) covers these floaters,
> > I think the boat was assembled and then the floater (liquid) was
> > inserted thrugh some holes. Those holes (1 inch -diameter) have
> > come loose and water has gone inside the compartment. I figure to
> cut
> > some of the cover to extract the foam and the water,
> > I made a cut about 5 inches from the bilge floor and water came
> out,
> > about one pint, but after cutting a big chunk of the
> > "inside cover fiberglass", it doesn't come loose, I figure because
> > the foam is glued somehow to the cover.
> > The foam is not all wet, only from the bilge to about 10-14 inches
> > from the bilge is wet, the other parts (close to the sides) are not
> > wet.
> >
> > My questions are:
> > 1.- Should I open this compartment to take out the water or should
> I
> > leave the floaters as they are???
> > 2.- If the answer of #1 is yes, then how do I separate
> > the "fiberglass cover" from the foam???
> > should I make several small cuts (1.5-2 ft2) to separate them???
> > 3.- What foam do I use to replace the old foam???
> > 4.- How wide should the fiberglass patch cover the cut I've done???
> >
> > Thank you in advance.... I really hope somebody can give me some
> > direction...
> >
> > Josh
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
Fax: (978) 282-1349
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
I think it's probably a good idea to see if the foam is waterlogged and if it drains out. Wen I was a kid we had a boat which theoretically had positive floatation, but it sank at the dock several times when the waves filled it. If the foam won't drain, you'd better replace it. I should think the fiberglass piece would peel right off when properly persuaded at one edge. Foam isn't very strong.
--- In bolger@y..., tetherin@j... wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., jtamez@c... wrote:
> Josh
>
> Maybe my experience can help you. I have a 17 foot daysailer which
> an outer hull and an inner hull sandwiched together. Water got in
> between the hulls and there is no way to get it out. I drilled a
> small hole (about 3/8 inch) in the bottom of the boat at the lowest
> point and let the water drain. After giving it time to dry (all
> winter) I plugged up the hole with epoxy. Problem solved.
>
> I don't see why you want to take the foam out. It was probably a
> solid piece glued in place before they assembled the two halves of
> the fiberglass floaters. It would be easier and cheaper to do it
> that way. Unless there is some other damage to the foam, the water
> won't hurt it. Just let the water out and plug up the hole.> Hello,
> >
> > I have a 22ft Sun Runner Cuddy Cabin, model 1980. The boat has one
> > big floater on each side of the bilge (total 2), each floater size
> is
> > aprox. 1ft (high) x 2ft (wide) x 9ft (long). The inside part of the
> > boat (also made of fiberglass) covers these floaters,
> > I think the boat was assembled and then the floater (liquid) was
> > inserted thrugh some holes. Those holes (1 inch -diameter) have
> > come loose and water has gone inside the compartment. I figure to
> cut
> > some of the cover to extract the foam and the water,
> > I made a cut about 5 inches from the bilge floor and water came
> out,
> > about one pint, but after cutting a big chunk of the
> > "inside cover fiberglass", it doesn't come loose, I figure because
> > the foam is glued somehow to the cover.
> > The foam is not all wet, only from the bilge to about 10-14 inches
> > from the bilge is wet, the other parts (close to the sides) are not
> > wet.
> >
> > My questions are:
> > 1.- Should I open this compartment to take out the water or should
> I
> > leave the floaters as they are???
> > 2.- If the answer of #1 is yes, then how do I separate
> > the "fiberglass cover" from the foam???
> > should I make several small cuts (1.5-2 ft2) to separate them???
> > 3.- What foam do I use to replace the old foam???
> > 4.- How wide should the fiberglass patch cover the cut I've done???
> >
> > Thank you in advance.... I really hope somebody can give me some
> > direction...
> >
> > Josh
--- In bolger@y..., jtamez@c... wrote:
Josh
Maybe my experience can help you. I have a 17 foot daysailer which
an outer hull and an inner hull sandwiched together. Water got in
between the hulls and there is no way to get it out. I drilled a
small hole (about 3/8 inch) in the bottom of the boat at the lowest
point and let the water drain. After giving it time to dry (all
winter) I plugged up the hole with epoxy. Problem solved.
I don't see why you want to take the foam out. It was probably a
solid piece glued in place before they assembled the two halves of
the fiberglass floaters. It would be easier and cheaper to do it
that way. Unless there is some other damage to the foam, the water
won't hurt it. Just let the water out and plug up the hole.> Hello,
>
> I have a 22ft Sun Runner Cuddy Cabin, model 1980. The boat has one
> big floater on each side of the bilge (total 2), each floater size
is
> aprox. 1ft (high) x 2ft (wide) x 9ft (long). The inside part of the
> boat (also made of fiberglass) covers these floaters,
> I think the boat was assembled and then the floater (liquid) was
> inserted thrugh some holes. Those holes (1 inch -diameter) have
> come loose and water has gone inside the compartment. I figure to
cut
> some of the cover to extract the foam and the water,
> I made a cut about 5 inches from the bilge floor and water came
out,
> about one pint, but after cutting a big chunk of the
> "inside cover fiberglass", it doesn't come loose, I figure because
> the foam is glued somehow to the cover.
> The foam is not all wet, only from the bilge to about 10-14 inches
> from the bilge is wet, the other parts (close to the sides) are not
> wet.
>
> My questions are:
> 1.- Should I open this compartment to take out the water or should
I
> leave the floaters as they are???
> 2.- If the answer of #1 is yes, then how do I separate
> the "fiberglass cover" from the foam???
> should I make several small cuts (1.5-2 ft2) to separate them???
> 3.- What foam do I use to replace the old foam???
> 4.- How wide should the fiberglass patch cover the cut I've done???
>
> Thank you in advance.... I really hope somebody can give me some
> direction...
>
> Josh
Try rec.boats and rec.boats.building. They would know more about
fiberglass boats.
fiberglass boats.
--- In bolger@y..., jtamez@c... wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a 22ft Sun Runner Cuddy Cabin, model 1980. The boat has one
> big floater on each side of the bilge (total 2), each floater size
is
> aprox. 1ft (high) x 2ft (wide) x 9ft (long). The inside part of the
> boat (also made of fiberglass) covers these floaters,
> I think the boat was assembled and then the floater (liquid) was
> inserted thrugh some holes. Those holes (1 inch -diameter) have
> come loose and water has gone inside the compartment. I figure to
cut
> some of the cover to extract the foam and the water,
> I made a cut about 5 inches from the bilge floor and water came
out,
> about one pint, but after cutting a big chunk of the
> "inside cover fiberglass", it doesn't come loose, I figure because
> the foam is glued somehow to the cover.
> The foam is not all wet, only from the bilge to about 10-14 inches
> from the bilge is wet, the other parts (close to the sides) are not
> wet.
>
> My questions are:
> 1.- Should I open this compartment to take out the water or should
I
> leave the floaters as they are???
> 2.- If the answer of #1 is yes, then how do I separate
> the "fiberglass cover" from the foam???
> should I make several small cuts (1.5-2 ft2) to separate them???
> 3.- What foam do I use to replace the old foam???
> 4.- How wide should the fiberglass patch cover the cut I've done???
>
> Thank you in advance.... I really hope somebody can give me some
> direction...
>
> Josh
Hello,
I have a 22ft Sun Runner Cuddy Cabin, model 1980. The boat has one
big floater on each side of the bilge (total 2), each floater size is
aprox. 1ft (high) x 2ft (wide) x 9ft (long). The inside part of the
boat (also made of fiberglass) covers these floaters,
I think the boat was assembled and then the floater (liquid) was
inserted thrugh some holes. Those holes (1 inch -diameter) have
come loose and water has gone inside the compartment. I figure to cut
some of the cover to extract the foam and the water,
I made a cut about 5 inches from the bilge floor and water came out,
about one pint, but after cutting a big chunk of the
"inside cover fiberglass", it doesn't come loose, I figure because
the foam is glued somehow to the cover.
The foam is not all wet, only from the bilge to about 10-14 inches
from the bilge is wet, the other parts (close to the sides) are not
wet.
My questions are:
1.- Should I open this compartment to take out the water or should I
leave the floaters as they are???
2.- If the answer of #1 is yes, then how do I separate
the "fiberglass cover" from the foam???
should I make several small cuts (1.5-2 ft2) to separate them???
3.- What foam do I use to replace the old foam???
4.- How wide should the fiberglass patch cover the cut I've done???
Thank you in advance.... I really hope somebody can give me some
direction...
Josh
I have a 22ft Sun Runner Cuddy Cabin, model 1980. The boat has one
big floater on each side of the bilge (total 2), each floater size is
aprox. 1ft (high) x 2ft (wide) x 9ft (long). The inside part of the
boat (also made of fiberglass) covers these floaters,
I think the boat was assembled and then the floater (liquid) was
inserted thrugh some holes. Those holes (1 inch -diameter) have
come loose and water has gone inside the compartment. I figure to cut
some of the cover to extract the foam and the water,
I made a cut about 5 inches from the bilge floor and water came out,
about one pint, but after cutting a big chunk of the
"inside cover fiberglass", it doesn't come loose, I figure because
the foam is glued somehow to the cover.
The foam is not all wet, only from the bilge to about 10-14 inches
from the bilge is wet, the other parts (close to the sides) are not
wet.
My questions are:
1.- Should I open this compartment to take out the water or should I
leave the floaters as they are???
2.- If the answer of #1 is yes, then how do I separate
the "fiberglass cover" from the foam???
should I make several small cuts (1.5-2 ft2) to separate them???
3.- What foam do I use to replace the old foam???
4.- How wide should the fiberglass patch cover the cut I've done???
Thank you in advance.... I really hope somebody can give me some
direction...
Josh