Re: Taking the Plunge
--- In bolger@y..., "Hannes" <h.kuehtreiber@t...> wrote:
My Hawkeye is a raised deck, pilothouse, campcruiser. It's
appearance has a 20''s or 30's look about it albeit rather stubby. The
genesis of its construction began with the publication of the plans
for the Microtrawler and reviews in various publications. I was quite
interested in some kind of campcruiser at the time. Although I like
Microtrawler I felt the greatest shortcoming was the lack of deck
space. I wanted to be able to be outside also. I bought plans but let
it ride. Shortly after this Mr Bolger published Hawkeye. This was the
other extreme from Microtrawler, lots of deck but not much
accommodation. Well I bought those plans also and immediately began a
number of schemes to provide sleeping accommodations with some deck
space remaining. My first try was to put the Microtrawler house onto
Hawkeye. This was pretty nice but I decided it wasn't what I wanted.
While scanning the ads in Soundings I saw a new but old time looking
power cruiser which served as the real inspiration for what was built.
The hull is essentially unchanged from the drawings except for the
profile of the sheer which accommodates the raised deck forward. The
raised deck provides space for two 6'6" berths. Immediately behind
this is a 4'by6' pilothouse open to the forward berths. It is roughly
seven feet from the back of the pilot house to the outer
transom providing deck space and space for the motor box. That makes
4X8 feet of deck clear. As a campcruiser I plan to cook and eat under
a fly over the deck area. If I camped alone the pilothouse would
serve.
My intention in building Hawkeye was to use it on a cruise of the
Trent-Severn and other canal systems in Ontario, Canada. As built it
would serve that purpose very nicely I think.
Hawkeye went together pretty well. It was built upside down as
specified though I understand there are second thoughts on this.
Turning over requires a carefully designed box structure built around
the hull which is described in the drawings and specifications.
Several of us were able to turn it over uneventfully. I had casters
placed to roll the whole thing out of the garage and then back in when
it was turned over. Then the forward decking was put in place and a
pilot house constructed. The pilot house was prefabricated because it
could not go on inside the garage because of the door clearance. A 25
hp Honda 4stroke was installed. Running lights, some electronics and a
superfluous autopilot were also added. The only difficulty in
constructing Hawkeye was handling large pieces of plywood by
myself-the topsides had potential of being a pain but in the event
they went on relatively easy. I placed for and aft panels separately
and used a butt block with epoxy but no other fasteners. Typically I
use a lot of drywall screws to hold things together until the epoxy
cures and then withdraw them. Sometimes they break. Hawkeye was built
in fits and starts over 2 years. The time is my inertia not the
difficulty of building. It is not an instant boat though.
After a late summer launch I was on the water only enough time to
break in the engine.
For purposes of canal cruising my Hawkeye will serve nicely. On open
water it probably would ride better than the original because of the
added weight. Because of the structure it is probably a good bit
stiffer than the original. Because of the weight it is probably a good
bit slower than the original with the same power. The prototype had a
tired 25 hp engine and speeds were clocked (sort of) at 16mph. My
Hawkeye would only attain about 13mph 4500 rpm. After a change of
propeller it would get to about 15 at 5200 rpm. A 40 or 50 Honda would
have been a better choice for open water but for the purposes I had in
mind a Yamaha 9 with the big prop would have served just as well since
I would be running mostly at no wake speeds.
Hawkeye is sensitive to weight and particularly weight shifting. I had
to reinstall my batteries on the centerline to keep the boat from
listing.
In smooth water the boat rides relatively quietly but with a little
chop the noise goes up considerably when at speed. The sharpie hull
and plywood construction almost guarantee that I should think.
If I were to do it over I would absolutely refrain from using
douglasfir marine plywood for the main deck. Actually I will never
use fir plywood for anything again ever. Some of the bits and pieces
were built using what was laying about my garage. (floor underlayment
types of plywood). I will never use anything but good marine plywood
in a boat ever, ever again AMEN!!!! The motor box and a hatch cover
will have to be replaced because of bad materials. I would use a
different engine, either for speed or for slow no-wake cruising. And
why did I ever put in an autopilot?? And I would do a better job of
sanding between the barrier coat and the finish paint.
This was a very interesting project and I learned quite a bit. Mr
Bolger as always was a paragon of patience and was most supportive of
my mods.
Bob Chamberland
>Hi Hannes
> hello bob,
> could you tell us about your hawkeye?
> -modified in what way?
> -building time / special difficulties?
> -engine / performance?
> -behaviour in other than dead flat water?
>
> think it is a very interesting design!
>
> hannes
My Hawkeye is a raised deck, pilothouse, campcruiser. It's
appearance has a 20''s or 30's look about it albeit rather stubby. The
genesis of its construction began with the publication of the plans
for the Microtrawler and reviews in various publications. I was quite
interested in some kind of campcruiser at the time. Although I like
Microtrawler I felt the greatest shortcoming was the lack of deck
space. I wanted to be able to be outside also. I bought plans but let
it ride. Shortly after this Mr Bolger published Hawkeye. This was the
other extreme from Microtrawler, lots of deck but not much
accommodation. Well I bought those plans also and immediately began a
number of schemes to provide sleeping accommodations with some deck
space remaining. My first try was to put the Microtrawler house onto
Hawkeye. This was pretty nice but I decided it wasn't what I wanted.
While scanning the ads in Soundings I saw a new but old time looking
power cruiser which served as the real inspiration for what was built.
The hull is essentially unchanged from the drawings except for the
profile of the sheer which accommodates the raised deck forward. The
raised deck provides space for two 6'6" berths. Immediately behind
this is a 4'by6' pilothouse open to the forward berths. It is roughly
seven feet from the back of the pilot house to the outer
transom providing deck space and space for the motor box. That makes
4X8 feet of deck clear. As a campcruiser I plan to cook and eat under
a fly over the deck area. If I camped alone the pilothouse would
serve.
My intention in building Hawkeye was to use it on a cruise of the
Trent-Severn and other canal systems in Ontario, Canada. As built it
would serve that purpose very nicely I think.
Hawkeye went together pretty well. It was built upside down as
specified though I understand there are second thoughts on this.
Turning over requires a carefully designed box structure built around
the hull which is described in the drawings and specifications.
Several of us were able to turn it over uneventfully. I had casters
placed to roll the whole thing out of the garage and then back in when
it was turned over. Then the forward decking was put in place and a
pilot house constructed. The pilot house was prefabricated because it
could not go on inside the garage because of the door clearance. A 25
hp Honda 4stroke was installed. Running lights, some electronics and a
superfluous autopilot were also added. The only difficulty in
constructing Hawkeye was handling large pieces of plywood by
myself-the topsides had potential of being a pain but in the event
they went on relatively easy. I placed for and aft panels separately
and used a butt block with epoxy but no other fasteners. Typically I
use a lot of drywall screws to hold things together until the epoxy
cures and then withdraw them. Sometimes they break. Hawkeye was built
in fits and starts over 2 years. The time is my inertia not the
difficulty of building. It is not an instant boat though.
After a late summer launch I was on the water only enough time to
break in the engine.
For purposes of canal cruising my Hawkeye will serve nicely. On open
water it probably would ride better than the original because of the
added weight. Because of the structure it is probably a good bit
stiffer than the original. Because of the weight it is probably a good
bit slower than the original with the same power. The prototype had a
tired 25 hp engine and speeds were clocked (sort of) at 16mph. My
Hawkeye would only attain about 13mph 4500 rpm. After a change of
propeller it would get to about 15 at 5200 rpm. A 40 or 50 Honda would
have been a better choice for open water but for the purposes I had in
mind a Yamaha 9 with the big prop would have served just as well since
I would be running mostly at no wake speeds.
Hawkeye is sensitive to weight and particularly weight shifting. I had
to reinstall my batteries on the centerline to keep the boat from
listing.
In smooth water the boat rides relatively quietly but with a little
chop the noise goes up considerably when at speed. The sharpie hull
and plywood construction almost guarantee that I should think.
If I were to do it over I would absolutely refrain from using
douglasfir marine plywood for the main deck. Actually I will never
use fir plywood for anything again ever. Some of the bits and pieces
were built using what was laying about my garage. (floor underlayment
types of plywood). I will never use anything but good marine plywood
in a boat ever, ever again AMEN!!!! The motor box and a hatch cover
will have to be replaced because of bad materials. I would use a
different engine, either for speed or for slow no-wake cruising. And
why did I ever put in an autopilot?? And I would do a better job of
sanding between the barrier coat and the finish paint.
This was a very interesting project and I learned quite a bit. Mr
Bolger as always was a paragon of patience and was most supportive of
my mods.
Bob Chamberland
--- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
private. I'd be interested in info on Hawkeye too.
Cheers!
Bruce
> Hannes,Bob, I hope you'll answer Hannes here on the board and not in
> Thanks for breaking the thread. I will have to get a picture of my
> Hawkeye and will then answer you.
>
> Bob Chamberland
private. I'd be interested in info on Hawkeye too.
Cheers!
Bruce
Hannes,
Thanks for breaking the thread. I will have to get a picture of my
Hawkeye and will then answer you.
Bob Chamberland
--- In bolger@y..., "Hannes" <h.kuehtreiber@t...>
Thanks for breaking the thread. I will have to get a picture of my
Hawkeye and will then answer you.
Bob Chamberland
--- In bolger@y..., "Hannes" <h.kuehtreiber@t...>
> hello bob,
> could you tell us about your hawkeye?
> -modified in what way?
> -building time / special difficulties?
> -engine / performance?
> -behaviour in other than dead flat water?
>
> think it is a very interesting design!
>
> hannes
Dennis,
I admit to having owned a number of clorox bottles and such.
(Rhodes 22, Herreshoff Goldeneye (real sweet boat)) but, you can
only have boats such as these if you outlay the cash all at once.
I am lousy at saving money. If I were to save aside $30 a week,
I guarantee that I would spend it on stuff such as auto repairs,
food, beverage, and such. . .) However, when you spend $30 a week
on a boat, you get just what you paid for, A Boat!
You can add into the price of building all of the tools and
clothes you will need (use at least one set for epoxy only!).
Boatbuilding is a love of art. I am a jazz musician by trade,
and boatbuilding compares favorably with the sensibilities that
artists have. There is no logic here other than what I mentioned.
Today, I epoxied the inside of "Firefly" since it will be rather
inaccessible next week once the cockpit is in place. I discovered
that a couple of the notches in the frames were inadequate in size
for the stringers, so I improvised. This was a little like taking a
solo over an Ab minor seventh chord with a major seventh added.
Unusual but satisfiying if you choose the right notes. ( A wise
professor once told me, "There are no wrong notes, just poor
choices." I think the same applies to building.
When Micro is done, it will not sail as well as the Herreshoff I
once had, but I can sneak up to the beach, sleep in it with a friend,
trailer it to wherever I want, and put it away for the season or
retrieve quickly in the event of nasty weather. It should also sail
respectibly, catboat like. Which is ok around here.
Just do it! The bug is contagious and it gives you something to
do when the Red Sox go south in the late summer.
David Jost
"on the outskirts of an extremely warm (where did i put the slow
hardener?") Boston.
I admit to having owned a number of clorox bottles and such.
(Rhodes 22, Herreshoff Goldeneye (real sweet boat)) but, you can
only have boats such as these if you outlay the cash all at once.
I am lousy at saving money. If I were to save aside $30 a week,
I guarantee that I would spend it on stuff such as auto repairs,
food, beverage, and such. . .) However, when you spend $30 a week
on a boat, you get just what you paid for, A Boat!
You can add into the price of building all of the tools and
clothes you will need (use at least one set for epoxy only!).
Boatbuilding is a love of art. I am a jazz musician by trade,
and boatbuilding compares favorably with the sensibilities that
artists have. There is no logic here other than what I mentioned.
Today, I epoxied the inside of "Firefly" since it will be rather
inaccessible next week once the cockpit is in place. I discovered
that a couple of the notches in the frames were inadequate in size
for the stringers, so I improvised. This was a little like taking a
solo over an Ab minor seventh chord with a major seventh added.
Unusual but satisfiying if you choose the right notes. ( A wise
professor once told me, "There are no wrong notes, just poor
choices." I think the same applies to building.
When Micro is done, it will not sail as well as the Herreshoff I
once had, but I can sneak up to the beach, sleep in it with a friend,
trailer it to wherever I want, and put it away for the season or
retrieve quickly in the event of nasty weather. It should also sail
respectibly, catboat like. Which is ok around here.
Just do it! The bug is contagious and it gives you something to
do when the Red Sox go south in the late summer.
David Jost
"on the outskirts of an extremely warm (where did i put the slow
hardener?") Boston.
OK Chris, I give up. My message is not getting across. I am not
trying to pooh pooh Bolger boats. You're right about the smaller boat
although my "Teal" cost $421.46 including the sails and all the bits
and pieces. I did not use floor underlayment. I used a decent marine
plywood. Still $421.46 is not a bad price for a neat little boat like
"Teal". I am starting on a "Bobcat" which I estimate will be over
$2000 including the sail. I have plans for "Spartina" which I
estimate
would be well over $4000. Just using Jim Michilaks per plywood sheet
estimating it would be an interesting project to estimate the costs
of
a number of Bolger boats and you can't estimate sailboats without the
sails. Nor will I fall into the dogma that there is no such thing as
a
good fiberglass boat. There are any number of them that I take
delight
in.
Bob Chamberland
lot
a
trying to pooh pooh Bolger boats. You're right about the smaller boat
although my "Teal" cost $421.46 including the sails and all the bits
and pieces. I did not use floor underlayment. I used a decent marine
plywood. Still $421.46 is not a bad price for a neat little boat like
"Teal". I am starting on a "Bobcat" which I estimate will be over
$2000 including the sail. I have plans for "Spartina" which I
estimate
would be well over $4000. Just using Jim Michilaks per plywood sheet
estimating it would be an interesting project to estimate the costs
of
a number of Bolger boats and you can't estimate sailboats without the
sails. Nor will I fall into the dogma that there is no such thing as
a
good fiberglass boat. There are any number of them that I take
delight
in.
Bob Chamberland
> I'll mildly diasagree. For the smaller Bolger boats, you can savea
lot
> of money by building, say a new Toroise or Teal. I'd guess a Tealcan be
> built for under $100, for *everything* except the sail. (Ofcourse,
a
> gold-plater could cost thousands . . . ). A Toroise, in pine ply,might
> cost under $50.
>
> But once you start sizing up a bit, then, yes, buying used is the
> economically miserly way to proceed.
>
> But what used Clorox bottle makes the heart sing?
West Wight Potter and the Cornish Shrimper are a couple that spring to mind
----- Original Message -----
From: <richard@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 6:59 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Taking the Plunge
> No button pushing involved. I've just been thinking about this alot
> lately. As you say, I could buy a bleach bottle for less than the
> cost of materials for a Chebacco.
>
> If you know of a pocket cruiser bleach bottle that is trailable
> behind a four banger, easily launched and retrieved, easy to single
> hand, and easily beached, please let me know. I would certainly
> consider buying a used one. I'll even take three out of four!
>
> What, specificaly, in my comments, is tunnel vision?
>
> --- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
> > Well Richard, I certainly seemed to have pushed your button. My
> only
> > point in my reply to Dennis was that it was prudent to consider the
> > economics of building any boat.
> >
> > I maintain that there are many fibreglass production boats out
> there
> > that will give a lot of satisfaction for a lot less expense than
> > building from scratch.
> >
> > Another point was that regardless of the economics it is a real
> boot
> > to build your own boat.
> >
> > As to the wonderful capabilities of Chebacco I take your word for
> it.
> >
> > Ultimately if someone decides to build his own boat to save money
> he's
> > only kidding himself. There is damn little cheaper about building
> your
> > own boat versus buying a used boat, home built or fibreglass
> > production.
> >
> > As to the merits of your remarks some of them are perfectly valid,
> > some are tunnel vision.
> > Bob Chamberland
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., richard@s... wrote:
> > > Sure, you can buy a chlorox bottle for less than you can build MJ
> > > for. I can buy a chlorox bottle for less than I can build
> Chebacco
> > > for.
> > >
> > > Several points. If you buy a chlorox bottle you get a chlorox
> > bottle.
> > >
> > > 1) Sloop rig on chlorox bottle copies racing boats, who get thier
> > > rigs because of the racing rules and not any consideration for
> > > actualy sailing the blasted thing. Cat yawl rig is much easier to
> > > sail singlehanded, can self steer, and are generaly much better
> > > cruising rigs. For the cost of a couple of degrees to windward.
> > >
> > > 2) Stayed aluminum mast, needed for the jib on the sloop rig, is
> a
> > > bitch to put up and take down. So much so that whole businesses
> have
> > > cropped up to allow people to store the boat with the rigging up.
> Of
> > > course, if you keep the boat at a marina, you are limited to
> sailing
> > > where you can sail in a day or so, and not where you can drive.
> > >
> > > Tabernacled, unstayed rig on both MJ and Chebacco cruiser can be
> > > taken down and stowed in a couple of minutes.
> > >
> > > 3) Wood fiberglass boat generaly much lighter than plastic boat.
> > This
> > > translates into cheaper trailer, cheaper tow vehicle, easier time
> > > putting and taking from water. Ask Chuck Leiwnwebber, who trailed
> > his
> > > 25ft Caprice with a four banger Ranger. I did the same with my
> 20ft
> > > AF2, with a four banger S-10.
> > >
> > > Also, wood FLOATS! When asked what I make boat out of I
> reply "Wood.
> > > Wood floats, what else would you make a boat out of?" Generaly, a
> > > wooden boat, even when swamped, will stay on the top...
> > >
> > > 4) Shallow draft. A friend has a Catalina 25. Even though he has
> a
> > > swing keel, he tows a dingy, and asked me to ferry people from
> his
> > > boat to the shore durring a recent camping trip. It is SO nice to
> be
> > > able to run up to the beach in thin water and step out to do
> > > whatever. At the recent messabout at Rend Lake, the ones who
> > anchored
> > > their boats were the odd ones! Most of us crouded onto the beach.
> > >
> > > 5) Coolness factor! Who want's to look like everyone else on the
> > > lake? One of my kids commented "Everyone else has jet skis, we
> have
> > > homemade boats." To which I replied "Anybody can BUY a jetski.
> Let's
> > > see them MAKE a boat!"
> > >
> > > So, in short, you cannot buy a boat with the specifications
> above.
> > At
> > > least, not unless you pay someone to build it for you. And, if
> you
> > > enjoy making things, make it yourself!
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Dennis,
> > > >
> > > > What are you interested in? I have a Teal, and modified Hawkeye
> > but
> > > > have agonized over the same things you seem to be in a state of
> > > > anxiety over. I have plans for a number of boats but have been
> > > > turned off by the economics. For the cost of a Martha Jane for
> > > > example there are slews of chlorox bottles that would give
> amazing
> > > > satisfaction but in some cases I simply like to build things. I
> am
> > > > currently starting a Bobcat but mast first. Give me a call
> > anytime.
> > > >
> > > > Bob Chamberland
> > > > 1175 S Peck Road
> > > > Suttons Bay, MI 49682
> > > > 231 271 4213
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In bolger@y..., PseudoDion3@a... wrote:
> > > > > Having lusted for a boat for some time, and having been
> > > disappointed
> > > > > with the looks and expense of most fiberglass production
> boats,
> > I
> > > > > have decided to buy a set of Micro plans and try my hand at
> > > > building.
> > > > > I was wondering if there are any other Micro or Bolger
> builders
> > > in
> > > > > the West Michigan area (I live in Grand Rapids)who would not
> > mind
> > > > > being contacted to talk about their boats, or perhaps even
> let
> > me
> > > > > take a real honest to goodness look see at 'em.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dennis Marshall
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
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>
>
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>
>
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001cha62759@...wrote:
of money by building, say a new Toroise or Teal. I'd guess a Teal can be
built for under $100, for *everything* except the sail. (Of course, a
gold-plater could cost thousands . . . ). A Toroise, in pine ply, might
cost under $50.
But once you start sizing up a bit, then, yes, buying used is the
economically miserly way to proceed.
But what used Clorox bottle makes the heart sing?
> Ultimately if someone decides to build his own boat to save money he'sI'll mildly diasagree. For the smaller Bolger boats, you can save a lot
> only kidding himself. There is damn little cheaper about building your
> own boat versus buying a used boat, home built or fibreglass
> production.
of money by building, say a new Toroise or Teal. I'd guess a Teal can be
built for under $100, for *everything* except the sail. (Of course, a
gold-plater could cost thousands . . . ). A Toroise, in pine ply, might
cost under $50.
But once you start sizing up a bit, then, yes, buying used is the
economically miserly way to proceed.
But what used Clorox bottle makes the heart sing?
On 14 Jun 2001, at 23:55,cha62759@...wrote:
could you tell us about your hawkeye?
-modified in what way?
-building time / special difficulties?
-engine / performance?
-behaviour in other than dead flat water?
think it is a very interesting design!
hannes
>hello bob,
> What are you interested in? I have a Teal, and modified Hawkeye but
could you tell us about your hawkeye?
-modified in what way?
-building time / special difficulties?
-engine / performance?
-behaviour in other than dead flat water?
think it is a very interesting design!
hannes
Thanks for the list. A couple of them look promising.
--- In bolger@y..., pvanderw@o... wrote:
> > If you know of a pocket cruiser bleach bottle that is trailable
> > behind a four banger, easily launched and retrieved, easy to
single
> > hand, and easily beached, please let me know. I would certainly
> > consider buying a used one.
>
> I agree with the ideas expressed that building a boat is not
> necessarily cheaper than buying a used fg boat, but that many enjoy
> the building process, get more exactly the boat they want, and have
> pride of ownership & craftmanship. In many cases, they have a
better
> boat. That said, let me suggest some answers to the above question.
> We have not had many specifics on requirements, so this list may
> look 'all over the map.'
>
> 1) Dovkie
> 2) Florida Bay Mud Hen
> 3) Florida Bay Bay Hen
> 4) Nimble 20
> 5) Sea Pearl
> 6) O'Day Mariner
> 7) Catalina 22
> 8) Grumman Canoe + tent
> 9) Drascombe Yawls - various versions
> 10) Cornish Shrimper
> etc.
>
> PHV
> If you know of a pocket cruiser bleach bottle that is trailableI agree with the ideas expressed that building a boat is not
> behind a four banger, easily launched and retrieved, easy to single
> hand, and easily beached, please let me know. I would certainly
> consider buying a used one.
necessarily cheaper than buying a used fg boat, but that many enjoy
the building process, get more exactly the boat they want, and have
pride of ownership & craftmanship. In many cases, they have a better
boat. That said, let me suggest some answers to the above question.
We have not had many specifics on requirements, so this list may
look 'all over the map.'
1) Dovkie
2) Florida Bay Mud Hen
3) Florida Bay Bay Hen
4) Nimble 20
5) Sea Pearl
6) O'Day Mariner
7) Catalina 22
8) Grumman Canoe + tent
9) Drascombe Yawls - various versions
10) Cornish Shrimper
etc.
PHV
No button pushing involved. I've just been thinking about this alot
lately. As you say, I could buy a bleach bottle for less than the
cost of materials for a Chebacco.
If you know of a pocket cruiser bleach bottle that is trailable
behind a four banger, easily launched and retrieved, easy to single
hand, and easily beached, please let me know. I would certainly
consider buying a used one. I'll even take three out of four!
What, specificaly, in my comments, is tunnel vision?
lately. As you say, I could buy a bleach bottle for less than the
cost of materials for a Chebacco.
If you know of a pocket cruiser bleach bottle that is trailable
behind a four banger, easily launched and retrieved, easy to single
hand, and easily beached, please let me know. I would certainly
consider buying a used one. I'll even take three out of four!
What, specificaly, in my comments, is tunnel vision?
--- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
> Well Richard, I certainly seemed to have pushed your button. My
only
> point in my reply to Dennis was that it was prudent to consider the
> economics of building any boat.
>
> I maintain that there are many fibreglass production boats out
there
> that will give a lot of satisfaction for a lot less expense than
> building from scratch.
>
> Another point was that regardless of the economics it is a real
boot
> to build your own boat.
>
> As to the wonderful capabilities of Chebacco I take your word for
it.
>
> Ultimately if someone decides to build his own boat to save money
he's
> only kidding himself. There is damn little cheaper about building
your
> own boat versus buying a used boat, home built or fibreglass
> production.
>
> As to the merits of your remarks some of them are perfectly valid,
> some are tunnel vision.
> Bob Chamberland
>
> --- In bolger@y..., richard@s... wrote:
> > Sure, you can buy a chlorox bottle for less than you can build MJ
> > for. I can buy a chlorox bottle for less than I can build
Chebacco
> > for.
> >
> > Several points. If you buy a chlorox bottle you get a chlorox
> bottle.
> >
> > 1) Sloop rig on chlorox bottle copies racing boats, who get thier
> > rigs because of the racing rules and not any consideration for
> > actualy sailing the blasted thing. Cat yawl rig is much easier to
> > sail singlehanded, can self steer, and are generaly much better
> > cruising rigs. For the cost of a couple of degrees to windward.
> >
> > 2) Stayed aluminum mast, needed for the jib on the sloop rig, is
a
> > bitch to put up and take down. So much so that whole businesses
have
> > cropped up to allow people to store the boat with the rigging up.
Of
> > course, if you keep the boat at a marina, you are limited to
sailing
> > where you can sail in a day or so, and not where you can drive.
> >
> > Tabernacled, unstayed rig on both MJ and Chebacco cruiser can be
> > taken down and stowed in a couple of minutes.
> >
> > 3) Wood fiberglass boat generaly much lighter than plastic boat.
> This
> > translates into cheaper trailer, cheaper tow vehicle, easier time
> > putting and taking from water. Ask Chuck Leiwnwebber, who trailed
> his
> > 25ft Caprice with a four banger Ranger. I did the same with my
20ft
> > AF2, with a four banger S-10.
> >
> > Also, wood FLOATS! When asked what I make boat out of I
reply "Wood.
> > Wood floats, what else would you make a boat out of?" Generaly, a
> > wooden boat, even when swamped, will stay on the top...
> >
> > 4) Shallow draft. A friend has a Catalina 25. Even though he has
a
> > swing keel, he tows a dingy, and asked me to ferry people from
his
> > boat to the shore durring a recent camping trip. It is SO nice to
be
> > able to run up to the beach in thin water and step out to do
> > whatever. At the recent messabout at Rend Lake, the ones who
> anchored
> > their boats were the odd ones! Most of us crouded onto the beach.
> >
> > 5) Coolness factor! Who want's to look like everyone else on the
> > lake? One of my kids commented "Everyone else has jet skis, we
have
> > homemade boats." To which I replied "Anybody can BUY a jetski.
Let's
> > see them MAKE a boat!"
> >
> > So, in short, you cannot buy a boat with the specifications
above.
> At
> > least, not unless you pay someone to build it for you. And, if
you
> > enjoy making things, make it yourself!
> >
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Dennis,
> > >
> > > What are you interested in? I have a Teal, and modified Hawkeye
> but
> > > have agonized over the same things you seem to be in a state of
> > > anxiety over. I have plans for a number of boats but have been
> > > turned off by the economics. For the cost of a Martha Jane for
> > > example there are slews of chlorox bottles that would give
amazing
> > > satisfaction but in some cases I simply like to build things. I
am
> > > currently starting a Bobcat but mast first. Give me a call
> anytime.
> > >
> > > Bob Chamberland
> > > 1175 S Peck Road
> > > Suttons Bay, MI 49682
> > > 231 271 4213
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In bolger@y..., PseudoDion3@a... wrote:
> > > > Having lusted for a boat for some time, and having been
> > disappointed
> > > > with the looks and expense of most fiberglass production
boats,
> I
> > > > have decided to buy a set of Micro plans and try my hand at
> > > building.
> > > > I was wondering if there are any other Micro or Bolger
builders
> > in
> > > > the West Michigan area (I live in Grand Rapids)who would not
> mind
> > > > being contacted to talk about their boats, or perhaps even
let
> me
> > > > take a real honest to goodness look see at 'em.
> > > >
> > > > Dennis Marshall
I seriously doubt anyone building a boat part time is doing it out of pure
necessity. We do it as a hobby. That means a labor of love, not
profit. It means we want to be recognize for our talents by having someone
notice our boat.
To include our labor as a cost (and sometimes just the material), I
seriously doubt we could make building a cost effective means of getting a
boat. Go bleach bottle (and some are beautiful boats), and spend you
summer boating, not working.
I build because I like to as a hobby!
Fortunately for me then, I can end up with my personal "perfect boat" like
the Tennessee which is not available as a production boat. It's a nice
benefit of my hobby.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----From:cha62759@...Sent:Friday, June 15, 2001 11:10 AMSubject:[bolger] Re: Taking the PlungeWell Richard, I certainly seemed to have pushed your button. My only
point in my reply to Dennis was that it was prudent to consider the
economics of building any boat.
I maintain that there are many fibreglass production boats out there
that will give a lot of satisfaction for a lot less expense than
building from scratch.
Another point was that regardless of the economics it is a real boot
to build your own boat.
As to the wonderful capabilities of Chebacco I take your word for it.
Ultimately if someone decides to build his own boat to save money he's
only kidding himself. There is damn little cheaper about building your
own boat versus buying a used boat, home built or fibreglass
production.
As to the merits of your remarks some of them are perfectly valid,
some are tunnel vision.
Bob Chamberland
--- In bolger@y..., richard@s... wrote:
> Sure, you can buy a chlorox bottle for less than you can build MJ
> for. I can buy a chlorox bottle for less than I can build Chebacco
> for.
>
> Several points. If you buy a chlorox bottle you get a chlorox
bottle.
>
> 1) Sloop rig on chlorox bottle copies racing boats, who get thier
> rigs because of the racing rules and not any consideration for
> actualy sailing the blasted thing. Cat yawl rig is much easier to
> sail singlehanded, can self steer, and are generaly much better
> cruising rigs. For the cost of a couple of degrees to windward.
>
> 2) Stayed aluminum mast, needed for the jib on the sloop rig, is a
> bitch to put up and take down. So much so that whole businesses have
> cropped up to allow people to store the boat with the rigging up. Of
> course, if you keep the boat at a marina, you are limited to sailing
> where you can sail in a day or so, and not where you can drive.
>
> Tabernacled, unstayed rig on both MJ and Chebacco cruiser can be
> taken down and stowed in a couple of minutes.
>
> 3) Wood fiberglass boat generaly much lighter than plastic boat.
This
> translates into cheaper trailer, cheaper tow vehicle, easier time
> putting and taking from water. Ask Chuck Leiwnwebber, who trailed
his
> 25ft Caprice with a four banger Ranger. I did the same with my 20ft
> AF2, with a four banger S-10.
>
> Also, wood FLOATS! When asked what I make boat out of I reply "Wood.
> Wood floats, what else would you make a boat out of?" Generaly, a
> wooden boat, even when swamped, will stay on the top...
>
> 4) Shallow draft. A friend has a Catalina 25. Even though he has a
> swing keel, he tows a dingy, and asked me to ferry people from his
> boat to the shore durring a recent camping trip. It is SO nice to be
> able to run up to the beach in thin water and step out to do
> whatever. At the recent messabout at Rend Lake, the ones who
anchored
> their boats were the odd ones! Most of us crouded onto the beach.
>
> 5) Coolness factor! Who want's to look like everyone else on the
> lake? One of my kids commented "Everyone else has jet skis, we have
> homemade boats." To which I replied "Anybody can BUY a jetski. Let's
> see them MAKE a boat!"
>
> So, in short, you cannot buy a boat with the specifications above.
At
> least, not unless you pay someone to build it for you. And, if you
> enjoy making things, make it yourself!
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dennis,
> >
> > What are you interested in? I have a Teal, and modified Hawkeye
but
> > have agonized over the same things you seem to be in a state of
> > anxiety over. I have plans for a number of boats but have been
> > turned off by the economics. For the cost of a Martha Jane for
> > example there are slews of chlorox bottles that would give amazing
> > satisfaction but in some cases I simply like to build things. I am
> > currently starting a Bobcat but mast first. Give me a call
anytime.
> >
> > Bob Chamberland
> > 1175 S Peck Road
> > Suttons Bay, MI 49682
> > 231 271 4213
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., PseudoDion3@a... wrote:
> > > Having lusted for a boat for some time, and having been
> disappointed
> > > with the looks and expense of most fiberglass production boats,
I
> > > have decided to buy a set of Micro plans and try my hand at
> > building.
> > > I was wondering if there are any other Micro or Bolger builders
> in
> > > the West Michigan area (I live in Grand Rapids)who would not
mind
> > > being contacted to talk about their boats, or perhaps even let
me
> > > take a real honest to goodness look see at 'em.
> > >
> > > Dennis Marshall
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to theYahoo! Terms of Service.
>Ultimately if someone decides to build his own boat to save money he'sThis is often, but not necessarily true.
>only kidding himself. There is damn little cheaper about building your
>own boat versus buying a used boat, home built or fibreglass
>production.
Counting new tool purchases, I got the LSME underway for less than
$2000. That's the boat, the sails, the hardware, the strings, a new
makita cordless drill, a power planer and a sawsall.
If you don't count your labor you can build cheaper than you can buy.
(For me, the building is most of the reason to do it, so I count my
labor against the total cost. My idleness could be far, far more
costly!)
The key is to stay out of the "since I've already put so much time
and/or money into it..." trap. Suddenly you're looking at a $50
bronze fitting, when you could make something your self for $2.50 out
of pocket and a little fiddling. I nearly lost my nerve and bought
cleats for the LSME rather than fashioning my own. ($50 saved plus
the fun and satisfaction of doing it myself.)
That said, I'd never build a boat that I wouldn't mind if it burned
to the ground the night before it was launched. If you're not hopped
up to build, there are plenty of good intentions out there for sale
cheap.
-D
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
Well Richard, I certainly seemed to have pushed your button. My only
point in my reply to Dennis was that it was prudent to consider the
economics of building any boat.
I maintain that there are many fibreglass production boats out there
that will give a lot of satisfaction for a lot less expense than
building from scratch.
Another point was that regardless of the economics it is a real boot
to build your own boat.
As to the wonderful capabilities of Chebacco I take your word for it.
Ultimately if someone decides to build his own boat to save money he's
only kidding himself. There is damn little cheaper about building your
own boat versus buying a used boat, home built or fibreglass
production.
As to the merits of your remarks some of them are perfectly valid,
some are tunnel vision.
Bob Chamberland
point in my reply to Dennis was that it was prudent to consider the
economics of building any boat.
I maintain that there are many fibreglass production boats out there
that will give a lot of satisfaction for a lot less expense than
building from scratch.
Another point was that regardless of the economics it is a real boot
to build your own boat.
As to the wonderful capabilities of Chebacco I take your word for it.
Ultimately if someone decides to build his own boat to save money he's
only kidding himself. There is damn little cheaper about building your
own boat versus buying a used boat, home built or fibreglass
production.
As to the merits of your remarks some of them are perfectly valid,
some are tunnel vision.
Bob Chamberland
--- In bolger@y..., richard@s... wrote:
> Sure, you can buy a chlorox bottle for less than you can build MJ
> for. I can buy a chlorox bottle for less than I can build Chebacco
> for.
>
> Several points. If you buy a chlorox bottle you get a chlorox
bottle.
>
> 1) Sloop rig on chlorox bottle copies racing boats, who get thier
> rigs because of the racing rules and not any consideration for
> actualy sailing the blasted thing. Cat yawl rig is much easier to
> sail singlehanded, can self steer, and are generaly much better
> cruising rigs. For the cost of a couple of degrees to windward.
>
> 2) Stayed aluminum mast, needed for the jib on the sloop rig, is a
> bitch to put up and take down. So much so that whole businesses have
> cropped up to allow people to store the boat with the rigging up. Of
> course, if you keep the boat at a marina, you are limited to sailing
> where you can sail in a day or so, and not where you can drive.
>
> Tabernacled, unstayed rig on both MJ and Chebacco cruiser can be
> taken down and stowed in a couple of minutes.
>
> 3) Wood fiberglass boat generaly much lighter than plastic boat.
This
> translates into cheaper trailer, cheaper tow vehicle, easier time
> putting and taking from water. Ask Chuck Leiwnwebber, who trailed
his
> 25ft Caprice with a four banger Ranger. I did the same with my 20ft
> AF2, with a four banger S-10.
>
> Also, wood FLOATS! When asked what I make boat out of I reply "Wood.
> Wood floats, what else would you make a boat out of?" Generaly, a
> wooden boat, even when swamped, will stay on the top...
>
> 4) Shallow draft. A friend has a Catalina 25. Even though he has a
> swing keel, he tows a dingy, and asked me to ferry people from his
> boat to the shore durring a recent camping trip. It is SO nice to be
> able to run up to the beach in thin water and step out to do
> whatever. At the recent messabout at Rend Lake, the ones who
anchored
> their boats were the odd ones! Most of us crouded onto the beach.
>
> 5) Coolness factor! Who want's to look like everyone else on the
> lake? One of my kids commented "Everyone else has jet skis, we have
> homemade boats." To which I replied "Anybody can BUY a jetski. Let's
> see them MAKE a boat!"
>
> So, in short, you cannot buy a boat with the specifications above.
At
> least, not unless you pay someone to build it for you. And, if you
> enjoy making things, make it yourself!
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dennis,
> >
> > What are you interested in? I have a Teal, and modified Hawkeye
but
> > have agonized over the same things you seem to be in a state of
> > anxiety over. I have plans for a number of boats but have been
> > turned off by the economics. For the cost of a Martha Jane for
> > example there are slews of chlorox bottles that would give amazing
> > satisfaction but in some cases I simply like to build things. I am
> > currently starting a Bobcat but mast first. Give me a call
anytime.
> >
> > Bob Chamberland
> > 1175 S Peck Road
> > Suttons Bay, MI 49682
> > 231 271 4213
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., PseudoDion3@a... wrote:
> > > Having lusted for a boat for some time, and having been
> disappointed
> > > with the looks and expense of most fiberglass production boats,
I
> > > have decided to buy a set of Micro plans and try my hand at
> > building.
> > > I was wondering if there are any other Micro or Bolger builders
> in
> > > the West Michigan area (I live in Grand Rapids)who would not
mind
> > > being contacted to talk about their boats, or perhaps even let
me
> > > take a real honest to goodness look see at 'em.
> > >
> > > Dennis Marshall
Sure, you can buy a chlorox bottle for less than you can build MJ
for. I can buy a chlorox bottle for less than I can build Chebacco
for.
Several points. If you buy a chlorox bottle you get a chlorox bottle.
1) Sloop rig on chlorox bottle copies racing boats, who get thier
rigs because of the racing rules and not any consideration for
actualy sailing the blasted thing. Cat yawl rig is much easier to
sail singlehanded, can self steer, and are generaly much better
cruising rigs. For the cost of a couple of degrees to windward.
2) Stayed aluminum mast, needed for the jib on the sloop rig, is a
bitch to put up and take down. So much so that whole businesses have
cropped up to allow people to store the boat with the rigging up. Of
course, if you keep the boat at a marina, you are limited to sailing
where you can sail in a day or so, and not where you can drive.
Tabernacled, unstayed rig on both MJ and Chebacco cruiser can be
taken down and stowed in a couple of minutes.
3) Wood fiberglass boat generaly much lighter than plastic boat. This
translates into cheaper trailer, cheaper tow vehicle, easier time
putting and taking from water. Ask Chuck Leiwnwebber, who trailed his
25ft Caprice with a four banger Ranger. I did the same with my 20ft
AF2, with a four banger S-10.
Also, wood FLOATS! When asked what I make boat out of I reply "Wood.
Wood floats, what else would you make a boat out of?" Generaly, a
wooden boat, even when swamped, will stay on the top...
4) Shallow draft. A friend has a Catalina 25. Even though he has a
swing keel, he tows a dingy, and asked me to ferry people from his
boat to the shore durring a recent camping trip. It is SO nice to be
able to run up to the beach in thin water and step out to do
whatever. At the recent messabout at Rend Lake, the ones who anchored
their boats were the odd ones! Most of us crouded onto the beach.
5) Coolness factor! Who want's to look like everyone else on the
lake? One of my kids commented "Everyone else has jet skis, we have
homemade boats." To which I replied "Anybody can BUY a jetski. Let's
see them MAKE a boat!"
So, in short, you cannot buy a boat with the specifications above. At
least, not unless you pay someone to build it for you. And, if you
enjoy making things, make it yourself!
for. I can buy a chlorox bottle for less than I can build Chebacco
for.
Several points. If you buy a chlorox bottle you get a chlorox bottle.
1) Sloop rig on chlorox bottle copies racing boats, who get thier
rigs because of the racing rules and not any consideration for
actualy sailing the blasted thing. Cat yawl rig is much easier to
sail singlehanded, can self steer, and are generaly much better
cruising rigs. For the cost of a couple of degrees to windward.
2) Stayed aluminum mast, needed for the jib on the sloop rig, is a
bitch to put up and take down. So much so that whole businesses have
cropped up to allow people to store the boat with the rigging up. Of
course, if you keep the boat at a marina, you are limited to sailing
where you can sail in a day or so, and not where you can drive.
Tabernacled, unstayed rig on both MJ and Chebacco cruiser can be
taken down and stowed in a couple of minutes.
3) Wood fiberglass boat generaly much lighter than plastic boat. This
translates into cheaper trailer, cheaper tow vehicle, easier time
putting and taking from water. Ask Chuck Leiwnwebber, who trailed his
25ft Caprice with a four banger Ranger. I did the same with my 20ft
AF2, with a four banger S-10.
Also, wood FLOATS! When asked what I make boat out of I reply "Wood.
Wood floats, what else would you make a boat out of?" Generaly, a
wooden boat, even when swamped, will stay on the top...
4) Shallow draft. A friend has a Catalina 25. Even though he has a
swing keel, he tows a dingy, and asked me to ferry people from his
boat to the shore durring a recent camping trip. It is SO nice to be
able to run up to the beach in thin water and step out to do
whatever. At the recent messabout at Rend Lake, the ones who anchored
their boats were the odd ones! Most of us crouded onto the beach.
5) Coolness factor! Who want's to look like everyone else on the
lake? One of my kids commented "Everyone else has jet skis, we have
homemade boats." To which I replied "Anybody can BUY a jetski. Let's
see them MAKE a boat!"
So, in short, you cannot buy a boat with the specifications above. At
least, not unless you pay someone to build it for you. And, if you
enjoy making things, make it yourself!
--- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
>
> Hi Dennis,
>
> What are you interested in? I have a Teal, and modified Hawkeye but
> have agonized over the same things you seem to be in a state of
> anxiety over. I have plans for a number of boats but have been
> turned off by the economics. For the cost of a Martha Jane for
> example there are slews of chlorox bottles that would give amazing
> satisfaction but in some cases I simply like to build things. I am
> currently starting a Bobcat but mast first. Give me a call anytime.
>
> Bob Chamberland
> 1175 S Peck Road
> Suttons Bay, MI 49682
> 231 271 4213
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., PseudoDion3@a... wrote:
> > Having lusted for a boat for some time, and having been
disappointed
> > with the looks and expense of most fiberglass production boats, I
> > have decided to buy a set of Micro plans and try my hand at
> building.
> > I was wondering if there are any other Micro or Bolger builders
in
> > the West Michigan area (I live in Grand Rapids)who would not mind
> > being contacted to talk about their boats, or perhaps even let me
> > take a real honest to goodness look see at 'em.
> >
> > Dennis Marshall
Dennis
I live in Muskegon, MI only 40 minutes from you. I have built a Bolger
Nymph and a June Bug. See my web site at
http://members.home.net/michaelgalvinfor some pictures of them and other
items of interest to Bolgerphiles.
Michael Galvin
Muskegon, MI
-----Original Message-----
From:PseudoDion3@...[mailto:PseudoDion3@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:54 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Taking the Plunge
Having lusted for a boat for some time, and having been disappointed
with the looks and expense of most fiberglass production boats, I
have decided to buy a set of Micro plans and try my hand at building.
I was wondering if there are any other Micro or Bolger builders in
the West Michigan area (I live in Grand Rapids)who would not mind
being contacted to talk about their boats, or perhaps even let me
take a real honest to goodness look see at 'em.
Dennis Marshall
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
I live in Muskegon, MI only 40 minutes from you. I have built a Bolger
Nymph and a June Bug. See my web site at
http://members.home.net/michaelgalvinfor some pictures of them and other
items of interest to Bolgerphiles.
Michael Galvin
Muskegon, MI
-----Original Message-----
From:PseudoDion3@...[mailto:PseudoDion3@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:54 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Taking the Plunge
Having lusted for a boat for some time, and having been disappointed
with the looks and expense of most fiberglass production boats, I
have decided to buy a set of Micro plans and try my hand at building.
I was wondering if there are any other Micro or Bolger builders in
the West Michigan area (I live in Grand Rapids)who would not mind
being contacted to talk about their boats, or perhaps even let me
take a real honest to goodness look see at 'em.
Dennis Marshall
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Hi Dennis,
What are you interested in? I have a Teal, and modified Hawkeye but
have agonized over the same things you seem to be in a state of
anxiety over. I have plans for a number of boats but have been
turned off by the economics. For the cost of a Martha Jane for
example there are slews of chlorox bottles that would give amazing
satisfaction but in some cases I simply like to build things. I am
currently starting a Bobcat but mast first. Give me a call anytime.
Bob Chamberland
1175 S Peck Road
Suttons Bay, MI 49682
231 271 4213
What are you interested in? I have a Teal, and modified Hawkeye but
have agonized over the same things you seem to be in a state of
anxiety over. I have plans for a number of boats but have been
turned off by the economics. For the cost of a Martha Jane for
example there are slews of chlorox bottles that would give amazing
satisfaction but in some cases I simply like to build things. I am
currently starting a Bobcat but mast first. Give me a call anytime.
Bob Chamberland
1175 S Peck Road
Suttons Bay, MI 49682
231 271 4213
--- In bolger@y..., PseudoDion3@a... wrote:
> Having lusted for a boat for some time, and having been disappointed
> with the looks and expense of most fiberglass production boats, I
> have decided to buy a set of Micro plans and try my hand at
building.
> I was wondering if there are any other Micro or Bolger builders in
> the West Michigan area (I live in Grand Rapids)who would not mind
> being contacted to talk about their boats, or perhaps even let me
> take a real honest to goodness look see at 'em.
>
> Dennis Marshall
Having lusted for a boat for some time, and having been disappointed
with the looks and expense of most fiberglass production boats, I
have decided to buy a set of Micro plans and try my hand at building.
I was wondering if there are any other Micro or Bolger builders in
the West Michigan area (I live in Grand Rapids)who would not mind
being contacted to talk about their boats, or perhaps even let me
take a real honest to goodness look see at 'em.
Dennis Marshall
with the looks and expense of most fiberglass production boats, I
have decided to buy a set of Micro plans and try my hand at building.
I was wondering if there are any other Micro or Bolger builders in
the West Michigan area (I live in Grand Rapids)who would not mind
being contacted to talk about their boats, or perhaps even let me
take a real honest to goodness look see at 'em.
Dennis Marshall