[bolger] Re: Tariffs, et al.
In a message dated 12/20/1999 3:40:35 AM Central Standard Time,bianco@...
writes:
<< Do you have wife and children? You know, they may set other priorities
on your life...
However, you might be right in some aspects. I'll treasure your
suggestions. >>
Exactly Pippo! I wanted to work on "Brick" yesterday but wound up taking my
grandsons up the county to Port Canaveral & it's Jetty Park. Spent the whole
afternoon there watching boats(fiberglass stinkpots) sailboats & ships come &
go. It's aprox. a 35-40 mile drive up there from Palm Bay. All in all it was
an enjoyable afternoon, capped off by watching the Space Shuttle launch from
my back porch last evening. What a site.
BRICK QUESTION????
You Brick builders; did you tape & epoxy the interior hull chines, or just
glue-eopxy every thing up real well on attaching the bottom? I have to find
my C-clamps so i can start attaching my frames to transomes & hullsides....
Larry H.
writes:
<< Do you have wife and children? You know, they may set other priorities
on your life...
However, you might be right in some aspects. I'll treasure your
suggestions. >>
Exactly Pippo! I wanted to work on "Brick" yesterday but wound up taking my
grandsons up the county to Port Canaveral & it's Jetty Park. Spent the whole
afternoon there watching boats(fiberglass stinkpots) sailboats & ships come &
go. It's aprox. a 35-40 mile drive up there from Palm Bay. All in all it was
an enjoyable afternoon, capped off by watching the Space Shuttle launch from
my back porch last evening. What a site.
BRICK QUESTION????
You Brick builders; did you tape & epoxy the interior hull chines, or just
glue-eopxy every thing up real well on attaching the bottom? I have to find
my C-clamps so i can start attaching my frames to transomes & hullsides....
Larry H.
David, thanks for the clarification: it looks like I've still to
improve my english. However, your points call for a few short answers:
david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
Micro done in due time, otherwise penalties apply ;-)? Gosh, I was
planning to carve a copy of the Traiano's Column on my Micro's bow and
sides, but you say I should hurry up... Maybe I should give up the
idea, what a pity...
different sizes, so you've to redo all the panel nesting from scratch.
Then, at least here in Matera where I live, there's no such 2x4 or 1x2
of whatever. If you go to the local lumberyard and ask for douglas fir
or mahogany or whatever which is not low grade construction fir full of
knots, they'll give you a 7 meter (24 feet) long, 7 cm (2.75 inches)
thick plank... Then, almost nobody lives in houses with backyards in
Italy, so boatbuilding is confined to cramped garages...
I've also built telescopes, written a book on variable star
observations, toured Europe on my motobike, played soccer at a decent
level, got a karate black belt (1st dan), and I still play drums in a
jazz quintet.
In any case, my only available time slot for boatbuilding at this time
is sunday afternoon, and yesterday I had to bring my son at the cinema
to see Tarzan (nice film though)...
Do you have wife and children? You know, they may set other priorities
on your life...
However, you might be right in some aspects. I'll treasure your
suggestions.
Thanks, and best
Pippo
improve my english. However, your points call for a few short answers:
david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
> What I rather inartfully meant to imply is that perhaps your Micro isDo you mean that I have a contract with you or somebody else to get my
> suffering from the same malady as PCB's web site: too much getting it
> perfect, and not enough getting it done.
Micro done in due time, otherwise penalties apply ;-)? Gosh, I was
planning to carve a copy of the Traiano's Column on my Micro's bow and
sides, but you say I should hurry up... Maybe I should give up the
idea, what a pity...
> Part of the original concept behind the instant boats (as IWell, this simply does not hold true in Italy. First, plywood comes in
> understand it,) was everything you need to build them be available at
> your local lumber/hardware store. Well this is certainly convenient,
> it offers an even greater benefit -- the chance to be honest with
> yourself.
different sizes, so you've to redo all the panel nesting from scratch.
Then, at least here in Matera where I live, there's no such 2x4 or 1x2
of whatever. If you go to the local lumberyard and ask for douglas fir
or mahogany or whatever which is not low grade construction fir full of
knots, they'll give you a 7 meter (24 feet) long, 7 cm (2.75 inches)
thick plank... Then, almost nobody lives in houses with backyards in
Italy, so boatbuilding is confined to cramped garages...
> On the other hand, once the plans for an instants boat are in yourI've already completed (well, almost) a boat, so Micro is the 2nd one.
> mailbox, there is precious little that stands between "boat" and "no
> boat." For me the real genius of the instant boats is that once that
> book finds its way into your hand, you no longer have any excuse for
> not separating yourself from the idle dreamers who "always wanted to
> build a boat," and joining the proud ranks of the men and women who
> do.
I've also built telescopes, written a book on variable star
observations, toured Europe on my motobike, played soccer at a decent
level, got a karate black belt (1st dan), and I still play drums in a
jazz quintet.
In any case, my only available time slot for boatbuilding at this time
is sunday afternoon, and yesterday I had to bring my son at the cinema
to see Tarzan (nice film though)...
Do you have wife and children? You know, they may set other priorities
on your life...
However, you might be right in some aspects. I'll treasure your
suggestions.
Thanks, and best
Pippo
>David, sorry, but I didn't catch this! Do you mean that my site is 100%Pippo --
>offline? If so let me know, because that site is paid in full by yours
>truly and obviously does not provide me with any money at all... Or did
>I miss something between your words (I mean, what is your "offline"
>referred to?)? Thanks, Pippo
I forget you're not a native speaker, and ascii doesn't convey
inflection very well.
What I rather inartfully meant to imply is that perhaps your Micro is
suffering from the same malady as PCB's web site: too much getting it
perfect, and not enough getting it done.
As a long time user and abuser of this form of procrastination, I
know it's symptoms well. Most recently I've been employing my
"confusion" about epoxy as a way of delaying work on the LS Margaret
Ellen, going as far as attempting to suck this group into the black
hole of my doubts and laziness. (I have to offer thanks to Chuck,
who's harsh words reqarding "goopiness," "FBBB," and "YIBB" helped me
to see my mastications for what they were. I now have a gallon of
WestSystem resin and hardner.)
Part of the original concept behind the instant boats (as I
understand it,) was everything you need to build them be available at
your local lumber/hardware store. Well this is certainly convenient,
it offers an even greater benefit -- the chance to be honest with
yourself.
In my days of sailing and fishing this past summer and fall, I can't
begin to tell you how many people told me about the plans they
ordered, the boat-building schools they attented, and the boats that
went unstarted. Between exotic materials, exotic tools, and exotic
techniques, these poor fellows had a million and one excuses why they
were watching enviously from the shore, and I was gleefully playing
"old man and the sea." I don't blame them, I blame their boat plans,
plans that make it too easy to fall into the malaise of
procrastination and laziness.
On the other hand, once the plans for an instants boat are in your
mailbox, there is precious little that stands between "boat" and "no
boat." For me the real genius of the instant boats is that once that
book finds its way into your hand, you no longer have any excuse for
not separating yourself from the idle dreamers who "always wanted to
build a boat," and joining the proud ranks of the men and women who
do.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to mix up some goopy expoxy and glue
my boat together.
YIBB,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
David, sorry, but I didn't catch this! Do you mean that my site is 100%
offline? If so let me know, because that site is paid in full by yours
truly and obviously does not provide me with any money at all... Or did
I miss something between your words (I mean, what is your "offline"
referred to?)? Thanks, Pippo
David Ryan ha scritto:
offline? If so let me know, because that site is paid in full by yours
truly and obviously does not provide me with any money at all... Or did
I miss something between your words (I mean, what is your "offline"
referred to?)? Thanks, Pippo
David Ryan ha scritto:
> As our own web site
> (http://www.aardvarkelectric.com) proves time and time again (by
> providing me with the money to do silly things like build boats,) a
> web site that is 50% of expectations, but 100% online works a lot
> better than one that is 90% complete, but 100% offline. Both Pippo
> and PCB might take a lesson from that. ;-)
>Some comments, Bolger-style:As a photographer and writer who got his start in Eugene and the
>
>- It is a reasonable assumption that most members of this e-group
>support the paying of royalties where due.
>
>- Probably most people here in Oregon think that royalties should be
>paid where due.
>
Rogue, I'd like to take this opportunity to strongly disagree with
the above statement. Many, many, many of my photos and words are
wondering around Oregon earning money for other people, but not me.
In the case of another Oregon photographer, I watched an Oregon jury
ignore well established case law and turn what should have been a
$35,000 settlement into a $3500. That didn't cover the cost of the
lawyer.
I have plans for the Teal, Light Scooner, and Light Dory. There do
not seem to be any terms regarding royalties for the construction of
multiple hulls from one set of plans. More over, it seems strongly
suggest, (if not explicitly stated,) that boats can be built from the
plans in the Instant Boat books without additional royalties. I'm not
saying I'd fire off a check to Glouster if I laid up another teal;
but as it is now, I wouldn't even feel guilty!
Lastly, I began my search for a boat to build by putting Bolger into
a couple of search engines. Payson got my business, 3 sets of plans
and 3 books (so far.) Additional searching led me to many things, but
never to Phil Bolger himself. As our own web site
(http://www.aardvarkelectric.com) proves time and time again (by
providing me with the money to do silly things like build boats,) a
web site that is 50% of expectations, but 100% online works a lot
better than one that is 90% complete, but 100% offline. Both Pippo
and PCB might take a lesson from that. ;-)
YIBB, (Sorry Chuck)
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
One simple thing Phil and Suzanne could to is improve their
visibility/accessibility (on their terms), would be to create a simple
signature (like mine below) to automatically append to the bottom of their
messages lists the current address and FAX numbers for directing inquiries.
It looks like they are posting direct from the Egroups web site instead of
an e-mail client, so they may not be aware of the option.
I for one am looking forward to catalog/web site from PCB&F. I'm sure there
are bunch of things in their archives I'd be interested in. I'm already
pretty committed to my latest project because it fits my needs perfectly.
But I never considered to ask PCB&F if they had anything similar that wasn't
so well publicized that would also fit the ticket. It comes back to the
question of access. We are all so conditioned to expect instant
gratification (which really is incongruous for those of us who actually
build our own boats!) that we tend to follow the path of least resistance. I
became aware of my next boat through contact with its designer (Michalak) on
the Internet.
As an aside: it was interaction with and encouragement from people on the
Internet (and CompuServe prior to 1996) that really got me going in boat
building. I found out about Bolger from people like Gregg Carlson (back in
1994?) and Phil Smith (see the Barge Houseboat in BWOM), and John Fox (FCS
Designs). These people and others gave me the confidence to actually start
building my Windsprint. There was and is no other local support for me here
in my own town. I'd be interested what percentage of get most of our
interaction with other boatbuilding hobbyists from the Internet? I'll bet it
is quite high...
John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
jmbell@...
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
h-770-592-2165
o-770-514-6016
visibility/accessibility (on their terms), would be to create a simple
signature (like mine below) to automatically append to the bottom of their
messages lists the current address and FAX numbers for directing inquiries.
It looks like they are posting direct from the Egroups web site instead of
an e-mail client, so they may not be aware of the option.
I for one am looking forward to catalog/web site from PCB&F. I'm sure there
are bunch of things in their archives I'd be interested in. I'm already
pretty committed to my latest project because it fits my needs perfectly.
But I never considered to ask PCB&F if they had anything similar that wasn't
so well publicized that would also fit the ticket. It comes back to the
question of access. We are all so conditioned to expect instant
gratification (which really is incongruous for those of us who actually
build our own boats!) that we tend to follow the path of least resistance. I
became aware of my next boat through contact with its designer (Michalak) on
the Internet.
As an aside: it was interaction with and encouragement from people on the
Internet (and CompuServe prior to 1996) that really got me going in boat
building. I found out about Bolger from people like Gregg Carlson (back in
1994?) and Phil Smith (see the Barge Houseboat in BWOM), and John Fox (FCS
Designs). These people and others gave me the confidence to actually start
building my Windsprint. There was and is no other local support for me here
in my own town. I'd be interested what percentage of get most of our
interaction with other boatbuilding hobbyists from the Internet? I'll bet it
is quite high...
John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
jmbell@...
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
h-770-592-2165
o-770-514-6016
----- Original Message -----
From: Carter Kennedy <jkck@...>
To: <bolger@...>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 10:51 AM
Subject: [bolger] Tariffs, et al.
> Some comments, Bolger-style:
>
> - It is a reasonable assumption that most members of this e-group
> support the paying of royalties where due.
>
> - Probably most people here in Oregon think that royalties should be
> paid where due.
>
> - If you are not visible (on the web or in WoodenBoat for example), no
> one is going to know you supply plans.
>
> - If I had not stumbled across CDS's web site a couple of years ago I
> would never have discovered Phil Bolger's boats.
>
> - Enforcing copyright is what lawyers are for.
>
> - Let's not get started on lawyers.
>
> - No one can reasonably expect a designer to modify a design for free.
>
> - Lets discuss boats. That is what this forum is for. Projects in the
> pipeline, you say? Anything that can be built in a garage?
>
> Carter Kennedy
>
>
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>
Some comments, Bolger-style:
- It is a reasonable assumption that most members of this e-group
support the paying of royalties where due.
- Probably most people here in Oregon think that royalties should be
paid where due.
- If you are not visible (on the web or in WoodenBoat for example), no
one is going to know you supply plans.
- If I had not stumbled across CDS's web site a couple of years ago I
would never have discovered Phil Bolger's boats.
- Enforcing copyright is what lawyers are for.
- Let's not get started on lawyers.
- No one can reasonably expect a designer to modify a design for free.
- Lets discuss boats. That is what this forum is for. Projects in the
pipeline, you say? Anything that can be built in a garage?
Carter Kennedy
- It is a reasonable assumption that most members of this e-group
support the paying of royalties where due.
- Probably most people here in Oregon think that royalties should be
paid where due.
- If you are not visible (on the web or in WoodenBoat for example), no
one is going to know you supply plans.
- If I had not stumbled across CDS's web site a couple of years ago I
would never have discovered Phil Bolger's boats.
- Enforcing copyright is what lawyers are for.
- Let's not get started on lawyers.
- No one can reasonably expect a designer to modify a design for free.
- Lets discuss boats. That is what this forum is for. Projects in the
pipeline, you say? Anything that can be built in a garage?
Carter Kennedy