Re: cabin clam skiff
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sakari Aaltonen <sakari@a...> wrote:
I didn't build the swiveling steering post, by the way, and put the
remote control on the wall of the house, rather than on the roof.
These two details may be a great idea, but I just couldn't figure out
a way of routing the cables (without kinks.)
Sakari,
As soon as I had the CCS plans under scrutiny over a year ago I
noticed what looked to me like lack of information on sometimes
crucial details -- for example, in keeping driving water from
entering the cabin around the forward edge of the sliding hatch. I
raised the matter on this List and someone suggested I
consult 'Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding', etc. Trouble is that many
of Bolger's ideas, being original to him , haven't been covered by
Bueler or others. I then faxed PCB and he kindly sketched out a
solution and promptly faxed it back to me but, as you found, there
are many other fuzzy areas.
Visiting Sam Devlin in Olympia last fall (to ask him about his own
sketchy presentation of electric power on the rudder of Nancy's China
DC), I told him how much I admired St. Valerie and asked about
building from PCB's plans. It turns out Sam had very much the same
experience that you did and spent a lot of his (expensive) time
puzzling things out. It has to make one wonder!
John
> I, too, had problems with the details you mention, and am not toohappy about my solutions. The plans of the house are rather sketchy.
I didn't build the swiveling steering post, by the way, and put the
remote control on the wall of the house, rather than on the roof.
These two details may be a great idea, but I just couldn't figure out
a way of routing the cables (without kinks.)
Sakari,
As soon as I had the CCS plans under scrutiny over a year ago I
noticed what looked to me like lack of information on sometimes
crucial details -- for example, in keeping driving water from
entering the cabin around the forward edge of the sliding hatch. I
raised the matter on this List and someone suggested I
consult 'Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding', etc. Trouble is that many
of Bolger's ideas, being original to him , haven't been covered by
Bueler or others. I then faxed PCB and he kindly sketched out a
solution and promptly faxed it back to me but, as you found, there
are many other fuzzy areas.
Visiting Sam Devlin in Olympia last fall (to ask him about his own
sketchy presentation of electric power on the rudder of Nancy's China
DC), I told him how much I admired St. Valerie and asked about
building from PCB's plans. It turns out Sam had very much the same
experience that you did and spent a lot of his (expensive) time
puzzling things out. It has to make one wonder!
John
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, vicskiff wrote:
I, too, had problems with the details you mention, and am not too happy
about my solutions. The plans of the house are rather sketchy. I didn't
build the swiveling steering post, by the way, and put the remote control
on the wall of the house, rather than on the roof. These two details may
be a great idea, but I just couldn't figure out a way of routing the
cables (without kinks.)
Sakari Aaltonen
> But is there any chance of some detail views -- such as the front andSorry, there aren't.
> back doors and sliding hatch? I'm having trouble figuring some of it
> out from PCB's plans. Perhaps I should order the CD from Duckworks.
> Would there be more photos there?
I, too, had problems with the details you mention, and am not too happy
about my solutions. The plans of the house are rather sketchy. I didn't
build the swiveling steering post, by the way, and put the remote control
on the wall of the house, rather than on the roof. These two details may
be a great idea, but I just couldn't figure out a way of routing the
cables (without kinks.)
Sakari Aaltonen
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Mark A. wrote:some? Room in Bolger3
>
> Sakari: Your Duckworks contribution is now only on CD. Why not post
To which Sakari replied:
>Sakari, your CCS is beautiful! Well done. I really appreciate seeing
> Done. It's the only decent photo I have.
your pic (and the pics of the Oz boat as well, Mark). I felt that the
CCS would translate well 'in the flesh' and your photo proves it to
me.
But is there any chance of some detail views -- such as the front and
back doors and sliding hatch? I'm having trouble figuring some of it
out from PCB's plans. Perhaps I should order the CD from Duckworks.
Would there be more photos there?
Thanks again for reposting your photo.
John
Sakari Aaltonen wrote:
muddling along on about half the waterline length.
Mark
> I think you can see in the photos that the 50hp engine is too heavy.The one in front of the opera house particularly shows this. The boat is not planing, just
>http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/webpages/merchandise/shopboats.htm
muddling along on about half the waterline length.
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/Clam%20Skiff/ccskiff1024.jpgA good photo and a beautiful building job. Thanks.
> Done. It's the only decent photo I have.
Mark
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Mark A. wrote:
indicated in a correspondence that they currently recommend 200lbs, max.
That is exactly the weight of my 40hp engine, still a bit heavy. But
the 30hp Yamaha weighed exactly the same.
Sakari Aaltonen
> Pictures showing human scaleI think you can see in the photos that the 50hp engine is too heavy. PB&F
>http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/webpages/merchandise/shopboats.htm
indicated in a correspondence that they currently recommend 200lbs, max.
That is exactly the weight of my 40hp engine, still a bit heavy. But
the 30hp Yamaha weighed exactly the same.
> PCB's MAIB textDone. It's the only decent photo I have.
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/Clam%20Skiff/cabin_clam_skiff.pdf
>
> Sakari: Your Duckworks contribution is now only on CD. Why not post some? Room in Bolger3
Sakari Aaltonen
Drawings
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Power%20Sharpies/Clam%20Skiff%20cabin.gif
Pictures showing human scale
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/webpages/merchandise/shopboats.htm
PCB's MAIB text
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/Clam%20Skiff/cabin_clam_skiff.pdf
Sakari: Your Duckworks contribution is now only on CD. Why not post some? Room in Bolger3
Mark
Bruce Coho wrote:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Power%20Sharpies/Clam%20Skiff%20cabin.gif
Pictures showing human scale
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/webpages/merchandise/shopboats.htm
PCB's MAIB text
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/Clam%20Skiff/cabin_clam_skiff.pdf
Sakari: Your Duckworks contribution is now only on CD. Why not post some? Room in Bolger3
Mark
Bruce Coho wrote:
>
> been watching the discussion, realized that I know what the Clam
> Skiff is, but have never seen any info on Cabin Clam Skiff...give me
> some direction to info please
>
> Bruce
been watching the discussion, realized that I know what the Clam
Skiff is, but have never seen any info on Cabin Clam Skiff...give me
some direction to info please
Bruce
Skiff is, but have never seen any info on Cabin Clam Skiff...give me
some direction to info please
Bruce
A further reply, partly in comment on George's direct e-mail to me...
I really don't have the expertise to say with any authority whether
Cabin Clam Skiff would be top-heavy. But to me it looks like a
shortened Idaho -- similar beam and similar 'old street car' cabin.
Perhaps someone experienced with Idaho would like to chime in?
And returning to the question of Clam Skiff bottom strength, wouldn't
that wide shoe (I recognize it as a fledgling version of the box keel
found on Hawkeye, etc.)... wouldn't that wide shoe have a significant
stiffening and reinforcing effect, perhaps allowing use of a double
layer of 3/8-inch ply rather than double 1/2-inch for the bottom
itself? Again, to compare, what is the bottom thickness of the (shoe-
less)Idaho
John
I really don't have the expertise to say with any authority whether
Cabin Clam Skiff would be top-heavy. But to me it looks like a
shortened Idaho -- similar beam and similar 'old street car' cabin.
Perhaps someone experienced with Idaho would like to chime in?
And returning to the question of Clam Skiff bottom strength, wouldn't
that wide shoe (I recognize it as a fledgling version of the box keel
found on Hawkeye, etc.)... wouldn't that wide shoe have a significant
stiffening and reinforcing effect, perhaps allowing use of a double
layer of 3/8-inch ply rather than double 1/2-inch for the bottom
itself? Again, to compare, what is the bottom thickness of the (shoe-
less)Idaho
John
--- In bolger@y..., fulk@n... wrote:
> Who out there is building a Bolger clam skiff with cabin? I got a
> message from someone in Michigan but lost his address. Could you
> e-mail me again? I'd like to see your boat in July, if I could. I
> would also like to correspond with anyone building or using a cabin
> clam skiff. I wonder if it is top heavy??
>
> I am launching a new June Bug this week-end. I will take pictures
and
> post them. I am going to car-top this boat.
>
> George Fulk--- In bolger@y..., fulk@n... wrote:
> Who out there is building a Bolger clam skiff with cabin? I got a
> message from someone in Michigan but lost his address. Could you
> e-mail me again? I'd like to see your boat in July, if I could. I
> would also like to correspond with anyone building or using a cabin
> clam skiff. I wonder if it is top heavy??
>
> I am launching a new June Bug this week-end. I will take pictures
and
> post them. I am going to car-top this boat.
>
> George Fulk
Hi, George. I have plans from Bolger for the clam skiff with cabin
but I don't think I'll be able to get started until well into the
fall at least (after I build a Surf).
I, too, would be interested in learning from other builders'
experiences. For one thing, the CCC has pretty well the same hull
dimensions as the Michalak AF4 but is a lot heavier, probably making
loading it on a trailer a little more difficult. That makes me wonder
if a one-inch bottom (two layers of half-inch ply) is really required
for a non-working boat -- expecially since the clam skiff has that
wide keel laid up to an additional 1.5 inches. I believe you built an
open clam skiff for your daughter in Alaska, isn't that right? What
are your thoughts on the issue of bottom thickness vs. bottom
strength?
By the way, when I wondered how the forward edge of the rearward
sliding hatch would work, PCB faxed me a special drawing and said
he'd include this detail on future plans sold.
John
but I don't think I'll be able to get started until well into the
fall at least (after I build a Surf).
I, too, would be interested in learning from other builders'
experiences. For one thing, the CCC has pretty well the same hull
dimensions as the Michalak AF4 but is a lot heavier, probably making
loading it on a trailer a little more difficult. That makes me wonder
if a one-inch bottom (two layers of half-inch ply) is really required
for a non-working boat -- expecially since the clam skiff has that
wide keel laid up to an additional 1.5 inches. I believe you built an
open clam skiff for your daughter in Alaska, isn't that right? What
are your thoughts on the issue of bottom thickness vs. bottom
strength?
By the way, when I wondered how the forward edge of the rearward
sliding hatch would work, PCB faxed me a special drawing and said
he'd include this detail on future plans sold.
John
--- In bolger@y..., fulk@n... wrote:
> Who out there is building a Bolger clam skiff with cabin? I got a
> message from someone in Michigan but lost his address. Could you
> e-mail me again? I'd like to see your boat in July, if I could. I
> would also like to correspond with anyone building or using a cabin
> clam skiff. I wonder if it is top heavy??
>
> I am launching a new June Bug this week-end. I will take pictures
and
> post them. I am going to car-top this boat.
>
> George Fulk
Who out there is building a Bolger clam skiff with cabin? I got a
message from someone in Michigan but lost his address. Could you
e-mail me again? I'd like to see your boat in July, if I could. I
would also like to correspond with anyone building or using a cabin
clam skiff. I wonder if it is top heavy??
I am launching a new June Bug this week-end. I will take pictures and
post them. I am going to car-top this boat.
George Fulk
message from someone in Michigan but lost his address. Could you
e-mail me again? I'd like to see your boat in July, if I could. I
would also like to correspond with anyone building or using a cabin
clam skiff. I wonder if it is top heavy??
I am launching a new June Bug this week-end. I will take pictures and
post them. I am going to car-top this boat.
George Fulk