Re: Fwd: Don Elliott and Martha Jane Stability
He cannot understand the simple fact, that the MJ problem was just
not enough ballast. And boat designing is largely evolved from
experiment. The problem has been identified and the correction made.
Put ma finger on de square carton and she go all over.
Put ma finger on de round carton and she go all over.
Put me finger on da boat carton and she go all over.
Put ma finger on ma lips and she go "dib dib dib"
not enough ballast. And boat designing is largely evolved from
experiment. The problem has been identified and the correction made.
Put ma finger on de square carton and she go all over.
Put ma finger on de round carton and she go all over.
Put me finger on da boat carton and she go all over.
Put ma finger on ma lips and she go "dib dib dib"
--- In bolger@y..., bgbeck55@y... wrote:
> I went over and read the piece in "Smallboats" you referred to
and
> Mr. Elliott's response. It was one of the usual "I'm right, you're
> wrong responses" he puts up when questioned. I enjoy his sketches
and
> read his articles. However, since he is very secretive as to his
> personal background, I view his opinions with a healthy dose of
> skepticism.
> When a person sets themself up as an expert on a subject and
> places their opinions on a public forum, whether electronic or
print,
> then they should be quite willing to put forth thier qualifications
> to make those opinions. Mr. Elliott is unwilling to do so. He has
> consistently refused to make public what he terms his private life.
> Is he a naval architecht? An engineer? A professional boat builder?
> We don't know. For all we know, he could be the manager of a
> McDonald's who has an extensive library of books on boat design and
> construction.(Maybe stayed in a Holiday Inn last night?)
> If Martha Jane and other of Mr. Bolger's "square boats" were
the
> death-traps Mr. Elliott seems to believe they are, I think we would
> have known by now.
> FWIW
> Bruce
I went over and read the piece in "Smallboats" you referred to and
Mr. Elliott's response. It was one of the usual "I'm right, you're
wrong responses" he puts up when questioned. I enjoy his sketches and
read his articles. However, since he is very secretive as to his
personal background, I view his opinions with a healthy dose of
skepticism.
When a person sets themself up as an expert on a subject and
places their opinions on a public forum, whether electronic or print,
then they should be quite willing to put forth thier qualifications
to make those opinions. Mr. Elliott is unwilling to do so. He has
consistently refused to make public what he terms his private life.
Is he a naval architecht? An engineer? A professional boat builder?
We don't know. For all we know, he could be the manager of a
McDonald's who has an extensive library of books on boat design and
construction.(Maybe stayed in a Holiday Inn last night?)
If Martha Jane and other of Mr. Bolger's "square boats" were the
death-traps Mr. Elliott seems to believe they are, I think we would
have known by now.
FWIW
Bruce
Mr. Elliott's response. It was one of the usual "I'm right, you're
wrong responses" he puts up when questioned. I enjoy his sketches and
read his articles. However, since he is very secretive as to his
personal background, I view his opinions with a healthy dose of
skepticism.
When a person sets themself up as an expert on a subject and
places their opinions on a public forum, whether electronic or print,
then they should be quite willing to put forth thier qualifications
to make those opinions. Mr. Elliott is unwilling to do so. He has
consistently refused to make public what he terms his private life.
Is he a naval architecht? An engineer? A professional boat builder?
We don't know. For all we know, he could be the manager of a
McDonald's who has an extensive library of books on boat design and
construction.(Maybe stayed in a Holiday Inn last night?)
If Martha Jane and other of Mr. Bolger's "square boats" were the
death-traps Mr. Elliott seems to believe they are, I think we would
have known by now.
FWIW
Bruce
--- In Smallboats@y..., donbnz@y... wrote:
Don, your recent post lead me to your marine articles, which look
interesting, though the first I saw, regarding Martha Jane stability
brought me up short. The Martha Jane stability is still topical,
however you question square boat characteristics which is relevant to
this Group.
You based your opinions upon the experiment of PUSHING a rectangular
milk carton on edge, down into a water-filled sink. Of course this
demonstrated instability and bad behaviour, but the experiment has
little relevance to suitably ballasted square yachts. What you
should have done, to at least approach reality, was to have reached
UNDER the carton, grasped the lower edge and PULLED downwards, whilst
jiggling and splashing waves with your other hand. The stabilising
and damping effect of ample ballast would have been demonstrated.
This would have proved the reality in the full sized world, that the
heavier ballasted Martha Jane has proved exemplary, and no Micro
owner has never reported violent lurchings etc.
What concerns me is that your flawed experiment may prejudice and
deter prospective square-boat owners from building and having safe
fun with simple affordable craft.
DonB
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