Re: [bolger] Re: The Fantastically Fabulous Hollow Joint Trick
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 03:06:12 -0000, Peter Lenihan wrote:
Oh, I imagine Jim's next boat will be a Pointy Skiff. I think he's building
a fleet! <g>
> Jim,
> Glad to read that your POINTY SKIFF is just about done and will
> soon be ready to launch!
> ...
> So,what will be your next boat?
> ...
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on.
<William Burroughs>
Jim,
Glad to read that your POINTY SKIFF is just about done and will
soon be ready to launch!Very sorry about the lousy timing......I
really didn't do this on purpose ;-).
So,what will be your next boat? I'm sure whichever design you
choose to build next,you will be very pleased with the HOLLOW JOINT
trick and the increased confidence you will gain in your work.
All the best to you!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Glad to read that your POINTY SKIFF is just about done and will
soon be ready to launch!Very sorry about the lousy timing......I
really didn't do this on purpose ;-).
So,what will be your next boat? I'm sure whichever design you
choose to build next,you will be very pleased with the HOLLOW JOINT
trick and the increased confidence you will gain in your work.
All the best to you!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., "Jim Chamberlin RCSIS" <jchamberlin@r...> wrote:
> Peter,
>
> The simplicity of some things continues to amaze me. When I think
of all
> the scraping and sanding (and wasting) of epoxy I've done in the
last year.
> Great tip...lousy timing. I have no where to use it. All the
construction
> is complete on the current Pointy Skif. Guess its time to start
another
> boat.
>
> Jim C.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ellengaest@b... [mailto:ellengaest@b...]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 3:38 PM
> > To: bolger@y...
> > Subject: [bolger] The Fantastically Fabulous Hollow Joint Trick
> >
> >
> > Hello Bolgerados,
> > I have just up-loaded a couple of sketches in the Bolger2
files
> > showing the best trick I know of toward getting super tight joints
> > when using epoxy.It requires the skillful use of a slightly
modified
> > right angle grinder.I recommend practicing first on cheap 2 X 4s
etc
> > before going at better grade stuff destined for your boat.By
keeping a
> > firm grip on the tool and remaining focused,you too can produce
> > wonderful HOLLOW JOINTS.The advantages are many;virtually
impossible
> > to end up with the fabled glue starved joint,your expensive epoxy
> > stays where it belongs...in the joint,and your seams will come out
> > looking tight and clean!
> > This trick was first shown to me years ago by shipwright
> > Jean-Pierre Fournel of VEXCEL YACHTING here in Vercheres Quebec
and I
> > have never had a joint fail me since!As you become more
comfortable
> > with the grinder and this technique,you will be able to put a
hollow
> > even on the narrowest of stock,like say a 3/4" toe rail.
> > Hollow is also very helpful when laminating many layers of
stock
> > as in deckbeams etc.Regardless of the sharpness of the radius and
the
> > woods clamping pressure,epoxy will stay in the seam.
> > Hope y'all enjoy it some and that it may prove helpful with
your
> > boatbuilding projects large or small!!!
> > Sincerely,
> > Peter Lenihan,awaiting on Peskys brother to come over and compress
> > those two files a wee bit(I dunnit agin,damnit!),from the shores
of
> > the St.Lawrence............
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
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> > - no flogging dead horses
> > - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> > - stay on topic and punctuate
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
> > Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> >
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
Peter,
The simplicity of some things continues to amaze me. When I think of all
the scraping and sanding (and wasting) of epoxy I've done in the last year.
Great tip...lousy timing. I have no where to use it. All the construction
is complete on the current Pointy Skif. Guess its time to start another
boat.
Jim C.
The simplicity of some things continues to amaze me. When I think of all
the scraping and sanding (and wasting) of epoxy I've done in the last year.
Great tip...lousy timing. I have no where to use it. All the construction
is complete on the current Pointy Skif. Guess its time to start another
boat.
Jim C.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:ellengaest@...[mailto:ellengaest@...]
> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 3:38 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] The Fantastically Fabulous Hollow Joint Trick
>
>
> Hello Bolgerados,
> I have just up-loaded a couple of sketches in the Bolger2 files
> showing the best trick I know of toward getting super tight joints
> when using epoxy.It requires the skillful use of a slightly modified
> right angle grinder.I recommend practicing first on cheap 2 X 4s etc
> before going at better grade stuff destined for your boat.By keeping a
> firm grip on the tool and remaining focused,you too can produce
> wonderful HOLLOW JOINTS.The advantages are many;virtually impossible
> to end up with the fabled glue starved joint,your expensive epoxy
> stays where it belongs...in the joint,and your seams will come out
> looking tight and clean!
> This trick was first shown to me years ago by shipwright
> Jean-Pierre Fournel of VEXCEL YACHTING here in Vercheres Quebec and I
> have never had a joint fail me since!As you become more comfortable
> with the grinder and this technique,you will be able to put a hollow
> even on the narrowest of stock,like say a 3/4" toe rail.
> Hollow is also very helpful when laminating many layers of stock
> as in deckbeams etc.Regardless of the sharpness of the radius and the
> woods clamping pressure,epoxy will stay in the seam.
> Hope y'all enjoy it some and that it may prove helpful with your
> boatbuilding projects large or small!!!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,awaiting on Peskys brother to come over and compress
> those two files a wee bit(I dunnit agin,damnit!),from the shores of
> the St.Lawrence............
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
> Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Try this link to the Bolger2 message board, pics are in the files
section, under building tips:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/building%20tips/
section, under building tips:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/building%20tips/
--- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
> Please excuse my ignorance. How do I get to these sketches?
> Bob Chamberland
Goodmorning Peter V.,
Yes,I certainly do recommend it for all joints,especially
any structural ones like backing frames on bulkheads,any laminated
timbers as in stems or knees and even the timbers in laminated
masts/spars.I have seen many folk intalling rub-rails,toe-rails and
the like use only a tab of epoxy or bedding compound in the belief
that it is best to not use too much"in case you have to replace
it".They then crank down hard on the fasteners,squeeze out what little
goop is in the joint and then latter experience either failure(as the
piece becomes loose) or rot from water settling in the hairline gaps
where no goop is left.Of course,it is really easy to replace the
rotten piece since it was hardly attached in the first place!Sort of
like a self fulfilling prophecy.However,if you use the HOLLOW JOINT
method,the piece cannot work loose,water cannot find its way in
between the two parts and,short of a bad impact accident,should not
have to be replaced every so many years as a matter of course.
Every single piece on my MICRO was assembled this way,from the
laminated deadwood in my keel right down to the little fid pieces used
to hold up the access lids under the berth cushions.None of my joints
have ever failed or had to be replaced.The fellow who shared this
trick with me,Jean-Pierre Fournel,has over 20 years of experience with
this and he too can proudly say none of his work has failed either.
Kinda makes you want to get right out there and build yourself a
boat right now,doesn't it Peter?!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,happy to share his"tricks" with other builders for the
sake of long-lived happiness to all,from the shores of the
St.Lawrence......
Yes,I certainly do recommend it for all joints,especially
any structural ones like backing frames on bulkheads,any laminated
timbers as in stems or knees and even the timbers in laminated
masts/spars.I have seen many folk intalling rub-rails,toe-rails and
the like use only a tab of epoxy or bedding compound in the belief
that it is best to not use too much"in case you have to replace
it".They then crank down hard on the fasteners,squeeze out what little
goop is in the joint and then latter experience either failure(as the
piece becomes loose) or rot from water settling in the hairline gaps
where no goop is left.Of course,it is really easy to replace the
rotten piece since it was hardly attached in the first place!Sort of
like a self fulfilling prophecy.However,if you use the HOLLOW JOINT
method,the piece cannot work loose,water cannot find its way in
between the two parts and,short of a bad impact accident,should not
have to be replaced every so many years as a matter of course.
Every single piece on my MICRO was assembled this way,from the
laminated deadwood in my keel right down to the little fid pieces used
to hold up the access lids under the berth cushions.None of my joints
have ever failed or had to be replaced.The fellow who shared this
trick with me,Jean-Pierre Fournel,has over 20 years of experience with
this and he too can proudly say none of his work has failed either.
Kinda makes you want to get right out there and build yourself a
boat right now,doesn't it Peter?!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,happy to share his"tricks" with other builders for the
sake of long-lived happiness to all,from the shores of the
St.Lawrence......
--- In bolger@y..., pvanderw@o... wrote:
>
> Peter L.: Do you recommend the hollow joint for all epoxy joints, or
> just joints of a certain kind?
>
> PHV
Peter L.: Do you recommend the hollow joint for all epoxy joints, or
just joints of a certain kind?
PHV
just joints of a certain kind?
PHV
David,
Glad you liked it! Sorry about the huge size of those sketches but
I will get them fixed as soon as help shows up.
I'll bet you can't wait to build another boat,even if it is only a
NYMPH as a tender to FIREFLY,just so you can put this Hollow
Joint technique to good use.
Continued bliss with the final stages of building!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan............
Glad you liked it! Sorry about the huge size of those sketches but
I will get them fixed as soon as help shows up.
I'll bet you can't wait to build another boat,even if it is only a
NYMPH as a tender to FIREFLY,just so you can put this Hollow
Joint technique to good use.
Continued bliss with the final stages of building!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan............
--- In bolger@y..., djost@m... wrote:
> totally awesome!
>
> I tried using 6" paper on a 5" grinder with good results today.
> I can't wait to modify the grinder to what you posted in the Bolger2
> files.
> The scooped out center of the beams solves lots of problems
with
> installation. This looks like a winner Peter, can't wait to try it.
> Too bad almost all the parts are assembled. cockpit decking is
> awaiting a trial fit.
>
> David Jost
Please excuse my ignorance. How do I get to these sketches?
Bob Chamberland
Bob Chamberland
--- In bolger@y..., ellengaest@b... wrote:
> Hello Bolgerados,
> I have just up-loaded a couple of sketches in the Bolger2 files
> showing the best trick I know of toward getting super tight joints
> when using epoxy.It requires the skillful use of a slightly modified
> right angle grinder.I recommend practicing first on cheap 2 X 4s etc
> before going at better grade stuff destined for your boat.By keeping
a
> firm grip on the tool and remaining focused,you too can produce
> wonderful HOLLOW JOINTS.The advantages are many;virtually impossible
> to end up with the fabled glue starved joint,your expensive epoxy
> stays where it belongs...in the joint,and your seams will come out
> looking tight and clean!
> This trick was first shown to me years ago by shipwright
> Jean-Pierre Fournel of VEXCEL YACHTING here in Vercheres Quebec and
I
> have never had a joint fail me since!As you become more comfortable
> with the grinder and this technique,you will be able to put a hollow
> even on the narrowest of stock,like say a 3/4" toe rail.
> Hollow is also very helpful when laminating many layers of
stock
> as in deckbeams etc.Regardless of the sharpness of the radius and
the
> woods clamping pressure,epoxy will stay in the seam.
> Hope y'all enjoy it some and that it may prove helpful with
your
> boatbuilding projects large or small!!!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,awaiting on Peskys brother to come over and compress
> those two files a wee bit(I dunnit agin,damnit!),from the shores of
> the St.Lawrence............
totally awesome!
I tried using 6" paper on a 5" grinder with good results today.
I can't wait to modify the grinder to what you posted in the Bolger2
files.
The scooped out center of the beams solves lots of problems with
installation. This looks like a winner Peter, can't wait to try it.
Too bad almost all the parts are assembled. cockpit decking is
awaiting a trial fit.
David Jost
I tried using 6" paper on a 5" grinder with good results today.
I can't wait to modify the grinder to what you posted in the Bolger2
files.
The scooped out center of the beams solves lots of problems with
installation. This looks like a winner Peter, can't wait to try it.
Too bad almost all the parts are assembled. cockpit decking is
awaiting a trial fit.
David Jost
Hello Bolgerados,
I have just up-loaded a couple of sketches in the Bolger2 files
showing the best trick I know of toward getting super tight joints
when using epoxy.It requires the skillful use of a slightly modified
right angle grinder.I recommend practicing first on cheap 2 X 4s etc
before going at better grade stuff destined for your boat.By keeping a
firm grip on the tool and remaining focused,you too can produce
wonderful HOLLOW JOINTS.The advantages are many;virtually impossible
to end up with the fabled glue starved joint,your expensive epoxy
stays where it belongs...in the joint,and your seams will come out
looking tight and clean!
This trick was first shown to me years ago by shipwright
Jean-Pierre Fournel of VEXCEL YACHTING here in Vercheres Quebec and I
have never had a joint fail me since!As you become more comfortable
with the grinder and this technique,you will be able to put a hollow
even on the narrowest of stock,like say a 3/4" toe rail.
Hollow is also very helpful when laminating many layers of stock
as in deckbeams etc.Regardless of the sharpness of the radius and the
woods clamping pressure,epoxy will stay in the seam.
Hope y'all enjoy it some and that it may prove helpful with your
boatbuilding projects large or small!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,awaiting on Peskys brother to come over and compress
those two files a wee bit(I dunnit agin,damnit!),from the shores of
the St.Lawrence............
I have just up-loaded a couple of sketches in the Bolger2 files
showing the best trick I know of toward getting super tight joints
when using epoxy.It requires the skillful use of a slightly modified
right angle grinder.I recommend practicing first on cheap 2 X 4s etc
before going at better grade stuff destined for your boat.By keeping a
firm grip on the tool and remaining focused,you too can produce
wonderful HOLLOW JOINTS.The advantages are many;virtually impossible
to end up with the fabled glue starved joint,your expensive epoxy
stays where it belongs...in the joint,and your seams will come out
looking tight and clean!
This trick was first shown to me years ago by shipwright
Jean-Pierre Fournel of VEXCEL YACHTING here in Vercheres Quebec and I
have never had a joint fail me since!As you become more comfortable
with the grinder and this technique,you will be able to put a hollow
even on the narrowest of stock,like say a 3/4" toe rail.
Hollow is also very helpful when laminating many layers of stock
as in deckbeams etc.Regardless of the sharpness of the radius and the
woods clamping pressure,epoxy will stay in the seam.
Hope y'all enjoy it some and that it may prove helpful with your
boatbuilding projects large or small!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,awaiting on Peskys brother to come over and compress
those two files a wee bit(I dunnit agin,damnit!),from the shores of
the St.Lawrence............