Re: Homebuilding and homebrewing
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
homebrewing - just not necessarily in that order.
Regards
Andy Farquhar
> This is fallacious logic. It presumes facts not in evidenceforgoing
>
> 1) That you have demand to work billable hours that you are
> in favor of brewing.brewing.
>
> 2) That you would prefer to work those billable hours instead of
>the
> Fact is D.I.Y. can be a real money saver. Not counting new tools,
> LSME cost about $1400 to get underway. But that's not the point.avocation
> Anyone who doesn't know the difference between vocation and
> probably doesn't enjoy either as much as they ought to.Not my logic - but SHMBO's. I enjoy my vocation, boatbuilding and
homebrewing - just not necessarily in that order.
Regards
Andy Farquhar
>cases of the best Belgian ales if I worked (and billed my clients)This is fallacious logic. It presumes facts not in evidence
>with the time I spent homebrewing.
1) That you have demand to work billable hours that you are forgoing
in favor of brewing.
2) That you would prefer to work those billable hours instead of brewing.
Fact is D.I.Y. can be a real money saver. Not counting new tools, the
LSME cost about $1400 to get underway. But that's not the point.
Anyone who doesn't know the difference between vocation and avocation
probably doesn't enjoy either as much as they ought to.
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
(not trying to start another buy vs. build thread, just some
obseravtions)
My buddy and I went out with the MacGregor 22 he just picked up for
$3k, with good motor and trailer. We sailed for about 8 hours.
Couple of observations. He was bragging about how quick he could get
it on the water. He was right, I timed him, 14 minutes from trailer
to water. Then, another 10 spent on the water putting the keel down,
hanging over the back putting the rudder in the holes, raising the
sails, etc....
We seemed to, counter intitivly, sail faster pointed high than
reaching. I'm betting the genoa had such a bad shape when let out
that we lost speed. Hence the invention of "reachers" and spinaker
poles I guess.
We launched in some pretty nasty boat wakes. Not sure I like crawling
on top of the boat to host the sails and mess with the jib when it's
bouncing all over the place.
Not sure I would like pulling off the genoa and putting up the jib in
the kind of weather that would require you to do that, either.
Also, with the genoa down, we had so much weather helm I couldn't do
a thing put point into the wind. I cranked the keel about halfway up,
still no joy. Finaly had to use the weather helm and "forwind" the
main to spin the boat around so we could run to the ramp.
obseravtions)
My buddy and I went out with the MacGregor 22 he just picked up for
$3k, with good motor and trailer. We sailed for about 8 hours.
Couple of observations. He was bragging about how quick he could get
it on the water. He was right, I timed him, 14 minutes from trailer
to water. Then, another 10 spent on the water putting the keel down,
hanging over the back putting the rudder in the holes, raising the
sails, etc....
We seemed to, counter intitivly, sail faster pointed high than
reaching. I'm betting the genoa had such a bad shape when let out
that we lost speed. Hence the invention of "reachers" and spinaker
poles I guess.
We launched in some pretty nasty boat wakes. Not sure I like crawling
on top of the boat to host the sails and mess with the jib when it's
bouncing all over the place.
Not sure I would like pulling off the genoa and putting up the jib in
the kind of weather that would require you to do that, either.
Also, with the genoa down, we had so much weather helm I couldn't do
a thing put point into the wind. I cranked the keel about halfway up,
still no joy. Finaly had to use the weather helm and "forwind" the
main to spin the boat around so we could run to the ramp.
--- In bolger@y..., "Mike Wagner" <mwagner@f...> wrote:
> Yeah, BUT-
>
> Do the cheap used sailboats in the classifieds sail like a Bolger?
> It's such a kick to be out in a breeze and watch all those sloop
> sailors struggling with their jibs, genoas, spinnakers, etc. and
> constantly messing with tiller or wheel just to keep the thing
moving
> in more or less a straight line; while I just lash the tiller, put
my
> feet up, grab a nice cold iced tea and relax as the mizzen steer the
> boat for me. Once in a while I run out river and have to tack, but
> that takes about a minute, then back to relaxing.
>
> You can't beat the cat/yawl rig for relaxed sailing. It simply can't
> be done.
>
> And besides, homebrewing is FUN, not work.
>
>
> --- In bolger@e..., pongo19050@y... wrote:
> > I do some homebrewing. Right now I have a batch of lager waiting
to
> > be bottled. I'll bottle at about the time I launch by Oldshoe.
> >
> > Reminds me of boatbuilding - you can make excellent product but it
> > doesn't make economic sense. I've tried the false economy of
brewing
> > from all grain (vs. extract). SHMBO reminds me that I could buy
> > cases of the best Belgian ales if I worked (and billed my clients)
> > with the time I spent homebrewing. She also takes great joy in
> > pointing out the ridiculously low used sailboat prices in the
> > classifieds.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Andy Farquhar
Yeah, BUT-
Do the cheap used sailboats in the classifieds sail like a Bolger?
It's such a kick to be out in a breeze and watch all those sloop
sailors struggling with their jibs, genoas, spinnakers, etc. and
constantly messing with tiller or wheel just to keep the thing moving
in more or less a straight line; while I just lash the tiller, put my
feet up, grab a nice cold iced tea and relax as the mizzen steer the
boat for me. Once in a while I run out river and have to tack, but
that takes about a minute, then back to relaxing.
You can't beat the cat/yawl rig for relaxed sailing. It simply can't
be done.
And besides, homebrewing is FUN, not work.
Do the cheap used sailboats in the classifieds sail like a Bolger?
It's such a kick to be out in a breeze and watch all those sloop
sailors struggling with their jibs, genoas, spinnakers, etc. and
constantly messing with tiller or wheel just to keep the thing moving
in more or less a straight line; while I just lash the tiller, put my
feet up, grab a nice cold iced tea and relax as the mizzen steer the
boat for me. Once in a while I run out river and have to tack, but
that takes about a minute, then back to relaxing.
You can't beat the cat/yawl rig for relaxed sailing. It simply can't
be done.
And besides, homebrewing is FUN, not work.
--- In bolger@e..., pongo19050@y... wrote:
> I do some homebrewing. Right now I have a batch of lager waiting to
> be bottled. I'll bottle at about the time I launch by Oldshoe.
>
> Reminds me of boatbuilding - you can make excellent product but it
> doesn't make economic sense. I've tried the false economy of brewing
> from all grain (vs. extract). SHMBO reminds me that I could buy
> cases of the best Belgian ales if I worked (and billed my clients)
> with the time I spent homebrewing. She also takes great joy in
> pointing out the ridiculously low used sailboat prices in the
> classifieds.
>
> Regards
>
> Andy Farquhar
I do some homebrewing. Right now I have a batch of lager waiting to
be bottled. I'll bottle at about the time I launch by Oldshoe.
Reminds me of boatbuilding - you can make excellent product but it
doesn't make economic sense. I've tried the false economy of brewing
from all grain (vs. extract). SHMBO reminds me that I could buy
cases of the best Belgian ales if I worked (and billed my clients)
with the time I spent homebrewing. She also takes great joy in
pointing out the ridiculously low used sailboat prices in the
classifieds.
Regards
Andy Farquhar
be bottled. I'll bottle at about the time I launch by Oldshoe.
Reminds me of boatbuilding - you can make excellent product but it
doesn't make economic sense. I've tried the false economy of brewing
from all grain (vs. extract). SHMBO reminds me that I could buy
cases of the best Belgian ales if I worked (and billed my clients)
with the time I spent homebrewing. She also takes great joy in
pointing out the ridiculously low used sailboat prices in the
classifieds.
Regards
Andy Farquhar
Well, I don't make my own beer. But, I am making my own machine shop
by melting down scrap metal and casting parts.
I did briefly toy with converting all my junk mail into methanal fuel
for the cars. Until I realized I would have to produce over 50
gallons a week... plus, I didn't want to get mixed up with F troop.
by melting down scrap metal and casting parts.
I did briefly toy with converting all my junk mail into methanal fuel
for the cars. Until I realized I would have to produce over 50
gallons a week... plus, I didn't want to get mixed up with F troop.
--- In bolger@y..., garth@b... wrote:
>
> > Stop by some weekend for a sail, a homemade beer and a tour.
>
> Hi Mike --
>
> Your mention of homemade beer inspires me to ask: who else among us
> Bolgerados also brews their own beer? I was a homebrewer for many
> years before becoming a boatbuilder. They're a funny pair -- the
> pleasure of making it yourself, with the end product a bit
different
> from what is accepted as the norm -- but infinitely more
satisfying.
> I'm pretty sure the one led to the other. Once you get the D.I.Y.
> bug, it's incurable.
>
> Stop by some weekend for a sail, a homemade beer and a tour.Hi Mike --
Your mention of homemade beer inspires me to ask: who else among us
Bolgerados also brews their own beer? I was a homebrewer for many
years before becoming a boatbuilder. They're a funny pair -- the
pleasure of making it yourself, with the end product a bit different
from what is accepted as the norm -- but infinitely more satisfying.
I'm pretty sure the one led to the other. Once you get the D.I.Y.
bug, it's incurable.
My obsessional path to Bolger boats went something like this: mania
for baking bread (late 80s); obsession with bicycles (late 80s to
early 90s); mania for homebrewing (early to mid-90s, overlapping with
bikes); then building boats, the most satisfying obsession of them
all, which I expect will last the rest of my life -- unless it's
supplanted by ultralight aircraft.
I hope to join you in representing the Bolgerados on the Hudson
sometime in the next couple of years -- if I can ever find time to
get my Chebacco started (and finished). I live about an hour west of
the Hudson, in the little town of Halcottsville, where my yard is
bestrewn with instant boats -- a Gypsy, a Michalak Toto, and a
sailing Piragua. These I cartop wherever necessary -- but when the
Chebacco comes into existence, a mooring at Rondout would be the
natural choice.
OK -- hope to see you on the Hudson some breezy afternoon. Any chance
you'll bring Ama Gi to the Lake Champlain Bolger Messabout August 4-5?
All best,
Garth
Yes, that's my micro, and I'm on the list. I don't get to the site
very often to read/post.
BTW the name is "Ama-Gi" - it means "Freedom" in ancient Sumerian.
She was built (by yours truly) in 1995, out of standard, Home Depot
lumber, proving that Bolger's philosophy (and a lot of epoxy) really
does work.
The rudder has given me trouble ever since she was built. The first
one broke while sailing (bummer). My "quick fix" (on the boat for 4
years) made the opening in the bottom of the well too big and now
stuff falls through. I've built a new rudder (stronger, I hope) and a
new well-bottom which I hope to install this weekend.
Other than that, she's been a great little boat. One or two very minor
little spots of rot, easily fixed. (Must have missed a spot with the
epoxy) Sails surprisingly well. A couple of weeks ago I was overtaken
by a big, elegant yawl whose skipper hollered over to me "Gee, she
points up pretty well, doesn't she?" The yawl was pointing maybe 2 or
3 degrees higher. Proper trim of the mizzen makes all the difference.
Just takes a little practice.
Still, when the wind is very light, or dies altogether, the power boat
wakes are hell. Almost got swamped once by an idiot power boater who,
with 2 miles of river on my port side, and 20 yards on starboard,
decided to pass between me and the shore. His wake was nearly three
feel high (amplified by reflection off the shoreline) and knocked me
on my beam ends. The mast nearly touched the water, and I had all I
could to to hold on. Needless to say, Bolger has desiged a boat which
is "self righting" or I wouldn't have said "almost" at the top of this
paragraph. (412 lbs of lead really help. Lead is our friend.)
Stop by some weekend for a sail, a homemade beer and a tour.
(Umm...1 or 2 at a time please. I'm afraid she won't hold all the list
members at one time. She's not THAT good.)
very often to read/post.
BTW the name is "Ama-Gi" - it means "Freedom" in ancient Sumerian.
She was built (by yours truly) in 1995, out of standard, Home Depot
lumber, proving that Bolger's philosophy (and a lot of epoxy) really
does work.
The rudder has given me trouble ever since she was built. The first
one broke while sailing (bummer). My "quick fix" (on the boat for 4
years) made the opening in the bottom of the well too big and now
stuff falls through. I've built a new rudder (stronger, I hope) and a
new well-bottom which I hope to install this weekend.
Other than that, she's been a great little boat. One or two very minor
little spots of rot, easily fixed. (Must have missed a spot with the
epoxy) Sails surprisingly well. A couple of weeks ago I was overtaken
by a big, elegant yawl whose skipper hollered over to me "Gee, she
points up pretty well, doesn't she?" The yawl was pointing maybe 2 or
3 degrees higher. Proper trim of the mizzen makes all the difference.
Just takes a little practice.
Still, when the wind is very light, or dies altogether, the power boat
wakes are hell. Almost got swamped once by an idiot power boater who,
with 2 miles of river on my port side, and 20 yards on starboard,
decided to pass between me and the shore. His wake was nearly three
feel high (amplified by reflection off the shoreline) and knocked me
on my beam ends. The mast nearly touched the water, and I had all I
could to to hold on. Needless to say, Bolger has desiged a boat which
is "self righting" or I wouldn't have said "almost" at the top of this
paragraph. (412 lbs of lead really help. Lead is our friend.)
Stop by some weekend for a sail, a homemade beer and a tour.
(Umm...1 or 2 at a time please. I'm afraid she won't hold all the list
members at one time. She's not THAT good.)
--- In bolger@e..., garth@b... wrote:
> Hi all --
>
> I went sailing with some friends in Kingston, NY this weekend and
> saw, at the Rondout Yacht Basin -- amid the endless fiberglass
> powerboat monstrosities -- a beautiful white and green MICRO. What a
> treat for the Bolger-besotted!
>
> I couldn't read the name completely, but it looked like "Ama G__"?
>
> Does this belong to anyone on the list? Just glad to know there's a
> Bolgerista out there on the Hudson.
>
> All best,
> Garth
--- In bolger@y..., garth@b... wrote:
fiberglass powerboat monstrosities -- a beautiful white and
green MICRO. couldn't read the name completely, but it looked
like "Ama G__"?
(snip)
This sounds like the boat shown on the attachment to Bolger
msg 12127. The message was signed Capt. Mike, the old
voyager, and was sent to give us a "daily Bolger fix". The boat's
name is out of focus (it could well be Ama G), but the registration
number is NY8773GT.
I think the old voyager is new to the list and didn't know about the
files section. The photo attachment is a very good shot of a very
nice Micro, and if nobody else beats me to it I will put it in the
Bolger2 files.
Vance
> Hi all --and saw, at the Rondout Yacht Basin -- amid the endless
>
> I went sailing with some friends in Kingston, NY this weekend
fiberglass powerboat monstrosities -- a beautiful white and
green MICRO. couldn't read the name completely, but it looked
like "Ama G__"?
(snip)
> Does this belong to anyone on the list?(snip)
> GarthGarth,
This sounds like the boat shown on the attachment to Bolger
msg 12127. The message was signed Capt. Mike, the old
voyager, and was sent to give us a "daily Bolger fix". The boat's
name is out of focus (it could well be Ama G), but the registration
number is NY8773GT.
I think the old voyager is new to the list and didn't know about the
files section. The photo attachment is a very good shot of a very
nice Micro, and if nobody else beats me to it I will put it in the
Bolger2 files.
Vance
Hi all --
I went sailing with some friends in Kingston, NY this weekend and
saw, at the Rondout Yacht Basin -- amid the endless fiberglass
powerboat monstrosities -- a beautiful white and green MICRO. What a
treat for the Bolger-besotted!
I couldn't read the name completely, but it looked like "Ama G__"?
Does this belong to anyone on the list? Just glad to know there's a
Bolgerista out there on the Hudson.
All best,
Garth
I went sailing with some friends in Kingston, NY this weekend and
saw, at the Rondout Yacht Basin -- amid the endless fiberglass
powerboat monstrosities -- a beautiful white and green MICRO. What a
treat for the Bolger-besotted!
I couldn't read the name completely, but it looked like "Ama G__"?
Does this belong to anyone on the list? Just glad to know there's a
Bolgerista out there on the Hudson.
All best,
Garth