Re: Teal Plans
Hi Pete,
There is really no reason to do a kick up leeboard. The leeboard is
easy to manipulate in the shallows. Probably too complex for the
benefit obtained. The rudder is something else. If you are sailing off
the beach DO build the kick-up rudder. In "Boats with an Open Mind"
see "Cartopper" page 26 for a typical Bolger kickup rudder. It's
really pretty simple. Someone else has said it and I agree, the
external chine logs are easy. Anything else is more work for no gain.
Bob Chamberland
There is really no reason to do a kick up leeboard. The leeboard is
easy to manipulate in the shallows. Probably too complex for the
benefit obtained. The rudder is something else. If you are sailing off
the beach DO build the kick-up rudder. In "Boats with an Open Mind"
see "Cartopper" page 26 for a typical Bolger kickup rudder. It's
really pretty simple. Someone else has said it and I agree, the
external chine logs are easy. Anything else is more work for no gain.
Bob Chamberland
--- In bolger@y..., staehpj1@h... wrote:
> Thanks for all the info and advice on Teal. I am going to go ahead
> and build one. I plan to order either the book (Instant Boats) or
> the plans today.
>
> I see that Dynamite still lists the book on his web page. Everyone
> else says it is out of print and unavailable new. Does anyone know
> if Dynamite actually has it in stock? If no one here knows I guess
I
> will have to call him (long distance).
>
> Is the book worth reading if I already read "Build the New Instant
> Boats"? What other plans are in it? The blurb says 6 plans are
> included but doesn't say which 6.
>
> I am debating whether to use external chine logs, internal chine
> logs, or fillet and tape. It seems as if the fillet and tape is
> easier and makes a nice clean finished product, but may be slower
and
> less pleasant (for some anyway) to do. Since I kind of enjoy
> epoxy/glass work I may go that route.
>
> I think I will build a kick up rudder and maybe a kick up lee board
> (I might possibly build the lee board shown on the plans first).
> Does any one have suggestions or links that show a good way to build
> kick up lee boards and rudders suitable for Teal?
>
> I am getting anxious to get started!
>
> Pete Staehling
> Is the book worth reading if I already read "Build the New InstantYes.
> Boats"?
Mike
I sail my teal of a beach with breaking surf and don't find the
leaboard to be enough trouble to change it from the plan.
OTOH: Kick up that rudder! With that pointy aft end, you nearly sink
the boat putting it on from inside the boat. Add a little wave and
chop action and suddenly you're going down by the stern!
External chine logs: as easy as rolling off a log.
Internal chine logs: not much harder
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leaboard to be enough trouble to change it from the plan.
OTOH: Kick up that rudder! With that pointy aft end, you nearly sink
the boat putting it on from inside the boat. Add a little wave and
chop action and suddenly you're going down by the stern!
External chine logs: as easy as rolling off a log.
Internal chine logs: not much harder
>Thanks for all the info and advice on Teal. I am going to go aheadCRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
>and build one. I plan to order either the book (Instant Boats) or
>the plans today.
>
>I see that Dynamite still lists the book on his web page. Everyone
>else says it is out of print and unavailable new. Does anyone know
>if Dynamite actually has it in stock? If no one here knows I guess I
>will have to call him (long distance).
>
>Is the book worth reading if I already read "Build the New Instant
>Boats"? What other plans are in it? The blurb says 6 plans are
>included but doesn't say which 6.
>
>I am debating whether to use external chine logs, internal chine
>logs, or fillet and tape. It seems as if the fillet and tape is
>easier and makes a nice clean finished product, but may be slower and
>less pleasant (for some anyway) to do. Since I kind of enjoy
>epoxy/glass work I may go that route.
>
>I think I will build a kick up rudder and maybe a kick up lee board
>(I might possibly build the lee board shown on the plans first).
>Does any one have suggestions or links that show a good way to build
>kick up lee boards and rudders suitable for Teal?
>
>I am getting anxious to get started!
>
>Pete Staehling
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>- no flogging dead horses
>- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>- stay on topic and punctuate
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
>MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
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My experience is that external chine logs are the
easiest of your three options, internal most difficult.
Bill Wallace in Texas
easiest of your three options, internal most difficult.
Bill Wallace in Texas
> Thanks for all the info and advice on Teal. I am going to go ahead
> and build one. I plan to order either the book (Instant Boats) or
> the plans today.
>
> I see that Dynamite still lists the book on his web page. Everyone
> else says it is out of print and unavailable new. Does anyone know
> if Dynamite actually has it in stock? If no one here knows I guess I
> will have to call him (long distance).
>
> Is the book worth reading if I already read "Build the New Instant
> Boats"? What other plans are in it? The blurb says 6 plans are
> included but doesn't say which 6.
>
> I am debating whether to use external chine logs, internal chine
> logs, or fillet and tape. It seems as if the fillet and tape is
> easier and makes a nice clean finished product, but may be slower and
> less pleasant (for some anyway) to do. Since I kind of enjoy
> epoxy/glass work I may go that route.
>
> I think I will build a kick up rudder and maybe a kick up lee board
> (I might possibly build the lee board shown on the plans first).
> Does any one have suggestions or links that show a good way to build
> kick up lee boards and rudders suitable for Teal?
>
> I am getting anxious to get started!
>
> Pete Staehling
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Thanks for all the info and advice on Teal. I am going to go ahead
and build one. I plan to order either the book (Instant Boats) or
the plans today.
I see that Dynamite still lists the book on his web page. Everyone
else says it is out of print and unavailable new. Does anyone know
if Dynamite actually has it in stock? If no one here knows I guess I
will have to call him (long distance).
Is the book worth reading if I already read "Build the New Instant
Boats"? What other plans are in it? The blurb says 6 plans are
included but doesn't say which 6.
I am debating whether to use external chine logs, internal chine
logs, or fillet and tape. It seems as if the fillet and tape is
easier and makes a nice clean finished product, but may be slower and
less pleasant (for some anyway) to do. Since I kind of enjoy
epoxy/glass work I may go that route.
I think I will build a kick up rudder and maybe a kick up lee board
(I might possibly build the lee board shown on the plans first).
Does any one have suggestions or links that show a good way to build
kick up lee boards and rudders suitable for Teal?
I am getting anxious to get started!
Pete Staehling
and build one. I plan to order either the book (Instant Boats) or
the plans today.
I see that Dynamite still lists the book on his web page. Everyone
else says it is out of print and unavailable new. Does anyone know
if Dynamite actually has it in stock? If no one here knows I guess I
will have to call him (long distance).
Is the book worth reading if I already read "Build the New Instant
Boats"? What other plans are in it? The blurb says 6 plans are
included but doesn't say which 6.
I am debating whether to use external chine logs, internal chine
logs, or fillet and tape. It seems as if the fillet and tape is
easier and makes a nice clean finished product, but may be slower and
less pleasant (for some anyway) to do. Since I kind of enjoy
epoxy/glass work I may go that route.
I think I will build a kick up rudder and maybe a kick up lee board
(I might possibly build the lee board shown on the plans first).
Does any one have suggestions or links that show a good way to build
kick up lee boards and rudders suitable for Teal?
I am getting anxious to get started!
Pete Staehling
Hi Pete,
You have probably had all of your questions answered. My Teal using
class A materials cost $421. and some odd cents including a new sail.
It was quick. I like it better as a rowboat. In fact I am retiring my
"Nereia" pram in favor of my "Teal" for rowing. I find the boat a
pain
for sailing off of the beach. This could be helped with a pivoting
rudder as Mr Bolger suggested to me. Others will have plenty of
advice
but if you want a fast project, "Teal" is it. It can handle 2 people
if the second person is doing more than sitting on his/her arse,
otherwise the passenger is sure to get in the way.
Bob Chamberland
You have probably had all of your questions answered. My Teal using
class A materials cost $421. and some odd cents including a new sail.
It was quick. I like it better as a rowboat. In fact I am retiring my
"Nereia" pram in favor of my "Teal" for rowing. I find the boat a
pain
for sailing off of the beach. This could be helped with a pivoting
rudder as Mr Bolger suggested to me. Others will have plenty of
advice
but if you want a fast project, "Teal" is it. It can handle 2 people
if the second person is doing more than sitting on his/her arse,
otherwise the passenger is sure to get in the way.
Bob Chamberland
--- In bolger@y..., staehpj1@h... wrote:
> I think I want to build a "quick and dirty" project. I think Teal
is
> the right choice, but feel free to make other suggestions. I
happen
> to have a sail that is the right size for Teal (close enough
anyway.
> It is the same area, but slightly higher aspect ratio).
>
> Requirements, it should:
> be cheap to build
> be easy to build
> be pleasant to row
> carry two people in fairly calm conditions
> sail well
> be fairly pleasing to the eye
>
> I built a Nymph from the book and found the book to be quite
adequate
> for a simple little boat like Nymph. Is Teal in one of Dynamite's
> books? Which one?
>
> If I buy the plans, who is cheaper, faster to deliver, and better
to
> order from? Dynamite or Bolger?
>
> Pete Staehling
IMHO it is hard to beat the Carnell $200 sailboat.
Nice looking design (Bolger) Great performance,
cheap to build, excellent plans. and the best support
from Dave.
James Fuller
Nice looking design (Bolger) Great performance,
cheap to build, excellent plans. and the best support
from Dave.
James Fuller
----- Original Message -----
From: <staehpj1@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 11:30 AM
Subject: [bolger] Teal Plans
> I think I want to build a "quick and dirty" project. I think Teal is
> the right choice, but feel free to make other suggestions. I happen
> to have a sail that is the right size for Teal (close enough anyway.
> It is the same area, but slightly higher aspect ratio).
>
> Requirements, it should:
> be cheap to build
> be easy to build
> be pleasant to row
> carry two people in fairly calm conditions
> sail well
> be fairly pleasing to the eye
>
> I built a Nymph from the book and found the book to be quite adequate
> for a simple little boat like Nymph. Is Teal in one of Dynamite's
> books? Which one?
>
> If I buy the plans, who is cheaper, faster to deliver, and better to
> order from? Dynamite or Bolger?
>
> Pete Staehling
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
Any of the 12-14 foot double enders make fine "quick and dirty"
projects.
Drew
projects.
Drew
--- In bolger@y..., staehpj1@h... wrote:
> I think I want to build a "quick and dirty" project. I think Teal
is
> the right choice, but feel free to make other suggestions. I
happen
> to have a sail that is the right size for Teal (close enough
anyway.
> It is the same area, but slightly higher aspect ratio).
>
> Requirements, it should:
> be cheap to build
> be easy to build
> be pleasant to row
> carry two people in fairly calm conditions
> sail well
> be fairly pleasing to the eye
>
> I built a Nymph from the book and found the book to be quite
adequate
> for a simple little boat like Nymph. Is Teal in one of Dynamite's
> books? Which one?
>
> If I buy the plans, who is cheaper, faster to deliver, and better
to
> order from? Dynamite or Bolger?
>
> Pete Staehling
Teal works on all points but #4. Teal is a REALLY little boat,
littler than her length would indicate; two adults overloads her, one
large adult with a child is OK, barely (I speak from experience), and
the flat-bottomed hull gets less stable as it's loaded down.
Cartopper, Gypsy, or Surf (Crab Skiff) all use the same sail and
handle a load better. Although the taped-seam boats aren't quite so
quick to build, they're prettier IMHO. Teal is in Payson's
book "Instant Boats", seehttp://www.instantboats.com/ib.htm
littler than her length would indicate; two adults overloads her, one
large adult with a child is OK, barely (I speak from experience), and
the flat-bottomed hull gets less stable as it's loaded down.
Cartopper, Gypsy, or Surf (Crab Skiff) all use the same sail and
handle a load better. Although the taped-seam boats aren't quite so
quick to build, they're prettier IMHO. Teal is in Payson's
book "Instant Boats", seehttp://www.instantboats.com/ib.htm
--- In bolger@y..., staehpj1@h... wrote:
> I think Teal is
> the right choice . . Requirements, it should:
> be cheap to build
> be easy to build
> be pleasant to row
> carry two people in fairly calm conditions
> sail well
> be fairly pleasing to the eye
I think I want to build a "quick and dirty" project. I think Teal is
the right choice, but feel free to make other suggestions. I happen
to have a sail that is the right size for Teal (close enough anyway.
It is the same area, but slightly higher aspect ratio).
Requirements, it should:
be cheap to build
be easy to build
be pleasant to row
carry two people in fairly calm conditions
sail well
be fairly pleasing to the eye
I built a Nymph from the book and found the book to be quite adequate
for a simple little boat like Nymph. Is Teal in one of Dynamite's
books? Which one?
If I buy the plans, who is cheaper, faster to deliver, and better to
order from? Dynamite or Bolger?
Pete Staehling
the right choice, but feel free to make other suggestions. I happen
to have a sail that is the right size for Teal (close enough anyway.
It is the same area, but slightly higher aspect ratio).
Requirements, it should:
be cheap to build
be easy to build
be pleasant to row
carry two people in fairly calm conditions
sail well
be fairly pleasing to the eye
I built a Nymph from the book and found the book to be quite adequate
for a simple little boat like Nymph. Is Teal in one of Dynamite's
books? Which one?
If I buy the plans, who is cheaper, faster to deliver, and better to
order from? Dynamite or Bolger?
Pete Staehling