Re: Cheap Boating?
Mike,
I can't begin to describe how much I'd APPRECIATE the donation of
your Martha Jane! <grin> Will that do it? You definitely sound
like good people, even if I never wind up with custody of your MJ.
Now feeling cheaper than a second-hand homebuilt boat,
Johannes
I can't begin to describe how much I'd APPRECIATE the donation of
your Martha Jane! <grin> Will that do it? You definitely sound
like good people, even if I never wind up with custody of your MJ.
Now feeling cheaper than a second-hand homebuilt boat,
Johannes
--- In bolger@y..., mkstocks@b... wrote:
> Hi-
>
> I read somewhere once that you don't really save much money by
> building a boat yourself, and I can believe it. I would have been
> ahead financially to stick with my MacGregor26X rather than
building
> my Martha Jane. On the other hand, I like to be able to say "yes"
> when someone asks "did you build that boat?"
>
> Regarding the choice of quality of any given material: I buy what
is
> needed to do the job right. Either it is right, or it is not
right:
> and my name is permanently attached to my choice.
>
> Regarding resale value: I doubt if I will make money on the boat if
I
> sell it. But it would be hard to put a monetary value on what I
have
> learned by constructing it, both about myself and about boatage.
My
> company (www.sas.com) invests a full third of our revenue back into
> R&D, so I have the same attitude about the costs of my boat
building -
> much of it is research. One of my purposes for building a Martha
> Jane was to develop the techniques needed to construct a much
larger
> vessel, which I hope to start in some months.
>
> You don't HAVE to sell your boat when the time to keep it has
passed.
> Consider just giving it away to someone who appreciates it.
>
> Toodles.
>
> Mike
Ya, Mike. Give. I saw the plans when I was there, they were VERY
COOL. You must post them. You are getting sleepy. You must post them.
You are getting sleepy....
COOL. You must post them. You are getting sleepy. You must post them.
You are getting sleepy....
--- In bolger@y..., "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@d...> wrote:
> <snip>
> > One of my purposes for building a Martha
> > Jane was to develop the techniques needed to construct a much
larger
> > vessel, which I hope to start in some months.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> Mike: What is the "much larger vessel" that you have in mind?
>
> Chuck
<snip>
Chuck
> One of my purposes for building a MarthaMike: What is the "much larger vessel" that you have in mind?
> Jane was to develop the techniques needed to construct a much larger
> vessel, which I hope to start in some months.
>
> Mike
>
Chuck
As I often misquote someone, it's not about the destination, it's
about the journey!
Building boats is about just that, the building. Same reason I'm
building my own milling machine, where I could easily have bought one
that would arguably have been a better machine, for less than the
materials to build one.
It's about the building, and what you learn along the way, that
counts.
That said, there are still a quite a few features of Bolger boats you
can't get in production models. Though, with the experiance gained
building your own boat, you could probably retrofit a Catalina 22 for
shallow draft, water ballast, put in a motor well and an anchor well,
put a folding mast on it for quick rigging, etc.... <grin>!
about the journey!
Building boats is about just that, the building. Same reason I'm
building my own milling machine, where I could easily have bought one
that would arguably have been a better machine, for less than the
materials to build one.
It's about the building, and what you learn along the way, that
counts.
That said, there are still a quite a few features of Bolger boats you
can't get in production models. Though, with the experiance gained
building your own boat, you could probably retrofit a Catalina 22 for
shallow draft, water ballast, put in a motor well and an anchor well,
put a folding mast on it for quick rigging, etc.... <grin>!
--- In bolger@y..., "Johannes Gustafsson" <boathead5@y...> wrote:
> I guess most of us consider building something like a Bolger boat
as
> an inexpensive way to get out and enjoy ourselves on the water.
And
> in some cases I suppose the initial cash outlay can be pretty low.
> What happens when you want to sell the boat and move on to
something
> else though? I've owned a series of fiberglass boats, sailed each
of
> them a few years, and then sold them--each for more than I
originally
> paid. And I didn't have to wait long for buyers to line up eager
to
> pay my asking price. Now that's cheap boating!
>
> I'd like to build something though, so I can feel a more personal
> attachment to the boat itself. From what I've heard, it doesn't
pay
> to spend much on top-shelf materials or fancy finishes, because
> nobody's going to give you a reasonable price for a homebuilt boat
on
> the resale market, period. Does that sound about right? Or if I
> were to go the gold-plate route, would that make my project seem
more
> legitimate (or less suspicious), and more attractive on the used
boat
> market. What are the economics of this whole thing?
>
> Johannes Gustafsson
--- In bolger@y..., "Johannes Gustafsson" <boathead5@y...> wrote:
about the smaller simpler designs, I think you may get off cheaper by
building. I know from experience that the used boat market is enough
of a buyers market here that you couldn't even consider building a
small cruising sailboat for what a used Catalina 22 would cost.
There are a lot of nice ones for under $3000. So if cost was your
primary reason to build don't even think about it.
I bought a C22 and "scratch my building itch" by building small boats
like Nymph (done), Teal (about to start), and Junebug (under
consideration).
I haven't sold any homebuilt boats, but the market is pretty
limited. You might get a good price for a gold plater, but you might
have to sit on it for a LONG time.
Pete
> What are the economics of this whole thing?A lot depends on what kind of boat you build. If you are talkng
about the smaller simpler designs, I think you may get off cheaper by
building. I know from experience that the used boat market is enough
of a buyers market here that you couldn't even consider building a
small cruising sailboat for what a used Catalina 22 would cost.
There are a lot of nice ones for under $3000. So if cost was your
primary reason to build don't even think about it.
I bought a C22 and "scratch my building itch" by building small boats
like Nymph (done), Teal (about to start), and Junebug (under
consideration).
I haven't sold any homebuilt boats, but the market is pretty
limited. You might get a good price for a gold plater, but you might
have to sit on it for a LONG time.
Pete
Hi-
I read somewhere once that you don't really save much money by
building a boat yourself, and I can believe it. I would have been
ahead financially to stick with my MacGregor26X rather than building
my Martha Jane. On the other hand, I like to be able to say "yes"
when someone asks "did you build that boat?"
Regarding the choice of quality of any given material: I buy what is
needed to do the job right. Either it is right, or it is not right:
and my name is permanently attached to my choice.
Regarding resale value: I doubt if I will make money on the boat if I
sell it. But it would be hard to put a monetary value on what I have
learned by constructing it, both about myself and about boatage. My
company (www.sas.com) invests a full third of our revenue back into
R&D, so I have the same attitude about the costs of my boat building -
much of it is research. One of my purposes for building a Martha
Jane was to develop the techniques needed to construct a much larger
vessel, which I hope to start in some months.
You don't HAVE to sell your boat when the time to keep it has passed.
Consider just giving it away to someone who appreciates it.
Toodles.
Mike
I read somewhere once that you don't really save much money by
building a boat yourself, and I can believe it. I would have been
ahead financially to stick with my MacGregor26X rather than building
my Martha Jane. On the other hand, I like to be able to say "yes"
when someone asks "did you build that boat?"
Regarding the choice of quality of any given material: I buy what is
needed to do the job right. Either it is right, or it is not right:
and my name is permanently attached to my choice.
Regarding resale value: I doubt if I will make money on the boat if I
sell it. But it would be hard to put a monetary value on what I have
learned by constructing it, both about myself and about boatage. My
company (www.sas.com) invests a full third of our revenue back into
R&D, so I have the same attitude about the costs of my boat building -
much of it is research. One of my purposes for building a Martha
Jane was to develop the techniques needed to construct a much larger
vessel, which I hope to start in some months.
You don't HAVE to sell your boat when the time to keep it has passed.
Consider just giving it away to someone who appreciates it.
Toodles.
Mike
I guess most of us consider building something like a Bolger boat as
an inexpensive way to get out and enjoy ourselves on the water. And
in some cases I suppose the initial cash outlay can be pretty low.
What happens when you want to sell the boat and move on to something
else though? I've owned a series of fiberglass boats, sailed each of
them a few years, and then sold them--each for more than I originally
paid. And I didn't have to wait long for buyers to line up eager to
pay my asking price. Now that's cheap boating!
I'd like to build something though, so I can feel a more personal
attachment to the boat itself. From what I've heard, it doesn't pay
to spend much on top-shelf materials or fancy finishes, because
nobody's going to give you a reasonable price for a homebuilt boat on
the resale market, period. Does that sound about right? Or if I
were to go the gold-plate route, would that make my project seem more
legitimate (or less suspicious), and more attractive on the used boat
market. What are the economics of this whole thing?
Johannes Gustafsson
an inexpensive way to get out and enjoy ourselves on the water. And
in some cases I suppose the initial cash outlay can be pretty low.
What happens when you want to sell the boat and move on to something
else though? I've owned a series of fiberglass boats, sailed each of
them a few years, and then sold them--each for more than I originally
paid. And I didn't have to wait long for buyers to line up eager to
pay my asking price. Now that's cheap boating!
I'd like to build something though, so I can feel a more personal
attachment to the boat itself. From what I've heard, it doesn't pay
to spend much on top-shelf materials or fancy finishes, because
nobody's going to give you a reasonable price for a homebuilt boat on
the resale market, period. Does that sound about right? Or if I
were to go the gold-plate route, would that make my project seem more
legitimate (or less suspicious), and more attractive on the used boat
market. What are the economics of this whole thing?
Johannes Gustafsson