Re: Meranti vs. fir
My followup to my first posting has disappeared into cyberspace at
Yahoo. It went something like this:
Based on early returns, the winner is Bush! No, Gore!! No, Meranti!!!
After reading Jamie and Derek's replies, I drove out to West Wind
Hardwoods in Sidney and bought four sheets (plus one goof sheet) of
1/4" meranti for the Surf. VERY nice stuff compared to marine fir and
a couple loonies a sheet cheaper. I think I did see the same thing at
Windsor Plywood the other day but I wasn't tuned in yet and the sales
clerk/associate/whatever wasn't very knowledgeable, didn't even use
the term meranti that I can remember.
Anyway, thanks everyone for your timely input.
John in Victoria
Yahoo. It went something like this:
Based on early returns, the winner is Bush! No, Gore!! No, Meranti!!!
After reading Jamie and Derek's replies, I drove out to West Wind
Hardwoods in Sidney and bought four sheets (plus one goof sheet) of
1/4" meranti for the Surf. VERY nice stuff compared to marine fir and
a couple loonies a sheet cheaper. I think I did see the same thing at
Windsor Plywood the other day but I wasn't tuned in yet and the sales
clerk/associate/whatever wasn't very knowledgeable, didn't even use
the term meranti that I can remember.
Anyway, thanks everyone for your timely input.
John in Victoria
--- In bolger@y..., "Derek Waters" <dgw@d...> wrote:
> Hi John
>
> The Meranti I bought from a local yard had to come from the island,
maybe
> from the same place you're looking. It was cheaper than marine fir,
and has
> been lovely stuff to work with. Rewards bright finish!
>
>http://www.windsorplywood.com/tropical/home.htmlhas information
listings
> for various 'meranti' types. Co-incidentally, Windsor wouldn't
supply me
> with Meranti, citing delamination fears. Random samples from the
sheets I
> bought elsewhere (stamped BS1088 :) have passed boil/dry tests
without
> trouble.
>
> I've used scruffy fir for scruffy work, but I'd have the meranti
anyday.
>
> Cheers
> Derek
About a hundred years or so ago, give or take 90-95 years, I purchased
some
Sproflex Skin Saver (for blisters) and kept it in my first aid kit. I
never
used it until last summer. (They're on sale at REI right now, which is
why
I thought of this.)
If you, like me, have some "old" stuff in your first aid kit, I suggest
we
all look at how the items have aged. The Skin Saver patches had turned
dry
and yellowish on the edges and just tore off in small sticky pieces when
I
finally used them. The "good" part worked fine, but the edges were not
comfortable or even --- they rolled.
The patches were in their plastic box (not air tight) and stored inside
other than when in my pack.
Anyone know the "pack life" of a bandaid or moleskin, etc? When should
the
various items in a first aid kit be replaced or changed out for newer,
fresher items? Just how long can an ibuprofen tablet or acetameniphen
tablet remain chemically unaltered while in a 'first aid' kit?
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some
Sproflex Skin Saver (for blisters) and kept it in my first aid kit. I
never
used it until last summer. (They're on sale at REI right now, which is
why
I thought of this.)
If you, like me, have some "old" stuff in your first aid kit, I suggest
we
all look at how the items have aged. The Skin Saver patches had turned
dry
and yellowish on the edges and just tore off in small sticky pieces when
I
finally used them. The "good" part worked fine, but the edges were not
comfortable or even --- they rolled.
The patches were in their plastic box (not air tight) and stored inside
other than when in my pack.
Anyone know the "pack life" of a bandaid or moleskin, etc? When should
the
various items in a first aid kit be replaced or changed out for newer,
fresher items? Just how long can an ibuprofen tablet or acetameniphen
tablet remain chemically unaltered while in a 'first aid' kit?
zacee
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>Sent: Tue 07/03/2001 04:36 PM
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>Subject: Re: [bolger] Meranti vs. fir
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>Hi John
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>The Meranti I bought from a local yard had to come from the island,
>
>>maybe
>
>>
>
>>from the same place you're looking. It was cheaper than marine fir, and
>
>>has
>
>>
>
>>been lovely stuff to work with. Rewards bright finish!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>><a href="http://www.windsorplywood.com/tropical/home.html"
>
>>target="_new">http://www.windsorplywood.com/tropical/home.html</a> has
>
>>information listings
>
>>
>
>>for various 'meranti' types. Co-incidentally, Windsor wouldn't supply
>me
>
>>
>
>>with Meranti, citing delamination fears. Random samples from the sheets
>
>>I
>
>>
>
>>bought elsewhere (stamped BS1088 :) have passed boil/dry tests without
>
>>
>
>>trouble.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>I've used scruffy fir for scruffy work, but I'd have the meranti
>anyday.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>Cheers
>
>>
>
>>Derek
>
>>
>
>>
>
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>
>>Bolger rules!!!
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>>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
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>>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>
>>01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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From: Derek Waters" <dgw@...>
Sent: Tue 07/03/2001 04:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [bolger] Meranti vs. fir
Hi John
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From: Derek Waters" <dgw@...>
Sent: Tue 07/03/2001 04:36 PM
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [bolger] Meranti vs. fir
Hi John
>__________________________________________________________________
>
>
>The Meranti I bought from a local yard had to come from the island,
>maybe
>
>from the same place you're looking. It was cheaper than marine fir, and
>has
>
>been lovely stuff to work with. Rewards bright finish!
>
>
>
><a href="http://www.windsorplywood.com/tropical/home.html"
>target="_new">http://www.windsorplywood.com/tropical/home.html</a> has
>information listings
>
>for various 'meranti' types. Co-incidentally, Windsor wouldn't supply me
>
>with Meranti, citing delamination fears. Random samples from the sheets
>I
>
>bought elsewhere (stamped BS1088 :) have passed boil/dry tests without
>
>trouble.
>
>
>
>I've used scruffy fir for scruffy work, but I'd have the meranti anyday.
>
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Derek
>
>
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>
>- no flogging dead horses
>
>- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>- stay on topic and punctuate
>
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
>
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Hi John
The Meranti I bought from a local yard had to come from the island, maybe
from the same place you're looking. It was cheaper than marine fir, and has
been lovely stuff to work with. Rewards bright finish!
http://www.windsorplywood.com/tropical/home.htmlhas information listings
for various 'meranti' types. Co-incidentally, Windsor wouldn't supply me
with Meranti, citing delamination fears. Random samples from the sheets I
bought elsewhere (stamped BS1088 :) have passed boil/dry tests without
trouble.
I've used scruffy fir for scruffy work, but I'd have the meranti anyday.
Cheers
Derek
The Meranti I bought from a local yard had to come from the island, maybe
from the same place you're looking. It was cheaper than marine fir, and has
been lovely stuff to work with. Rewards bright finish!
http://www.windsorplywood.com/tropical/home.htmlhas information listings
for various 'meranti' types. Co-incidentally, Windsor wouldn't supply me
with Meranti, citing delamination fears. Random samples from the sheets I
bought elsewhere (stamped BS1088 :) have passed boil/dry tests without
trouble.
I've used scruffy fir for scruffy work, but I'd have the meranti anyday.
Cheers
Derek
In a message dated 7/3/2001 1:43:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
j.c.ewing@... writes:
John,
Marine grade fir tends to have plugs in the face and the fir grain is
generally rough and hard to smooth out. Avoid sanding fir ply as the softer
grain comes right out leaving the harder grain standing proud.
For small boats I've used 1/4" luan (Philippine mahogany) and have had good
success, although some builders refuse to use it, I know a fellow with a ten
year old canoe painted only with house paint and it is still in service.
I bought okume from Nahos which also carries the merranti. They were the
best price I could find. http://noahsmarine.com/
Look for the thickness of the face ply which effects cost, thinner equals
less cost.
Good Luck,
Jim
j.c.ewing@... writes:
Group, what exactly is miranti? At $42 Cdn a sheet for 1/4" 5-ply, is
it preferable to 1/4" 3-ply marine fir at $44 a sheet? Another option
is 3-ply, pretty-well-void-free G1S (good one side) fir plywood,
available at $25 Cdn a sheet at Home Depot. I am about to start
building the 'Instant Boat' Surf, which calls for four sheets of 1/4"
plywood.
YIBB
John in Victoria
John,
Marine grade fir tends to have plugs in the face and the fir grain is
generally rough and hard to smooth out. Avoid sanding fir ply as the softer
grain comes right out leaving the harder grain standing proud.
For small boats I've used 1/4" luan (Philippine mahogany) and have had good
success, although some builders refuse to use it, I know a fellow with a ten
year old canoe painted only with house paint and it is still in service.
I bought okume from Nahos which also carries the merranti. They were the
best price I could find. http://noahsmarine.com/
Look for the thickness of the face ply which effects cost, thinner equals
less cost.
Good Luck,
Jim
John,
Meranti is a mahogany substitute, and should be a good choice. It'll take a
nicer finish than fir and won't check. (But checking isn't such a big
problem. I used some cheap fir G2S for our elegant punt -- it was on sale
at $20 so I thought I'd save some money. I had to fix a lot of defects,
though, including sticking parts of the outer lamination back down, so I
wouldn't buy it again. On the plus side, we had the boat in the water again
yesterday, and it's still holding up just fine after almost five years --
repainted it last year. It's stored uncovered, but in the shade.)
BTW, I drove by your place a few days ago, you weren't home. I saw your
strip-built skiff outside, so I guess you don't need that piece of light
cloth I never brought over? (I had it in the van when I came by.) Sorry I
didn't get it to you in time to be of any use!
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From:j.c.ewing@...[mailto:j.c.ewing@...]
Sent: July 3, 2001 10:40 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Meranti vs. fir
Group, what exactly is miranti? At $42 Cdn a sheet for 1/4" 5-ply, is
it preferable to 1/4" 3-ply marine fir at $44 a sheet? Another option
is 3-ply, pretty-well-void-free G1S (good one side) fir plywood,
available at $25 Cdn a sheet at Home Depot. I am about to start
building the 'Instant Boat' Surf, which calls for four sheets of 1/4"
plywood.
YIBB
John in Victoria
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Meranti is a mahogany substitute, and should be a good choice. It'll take a
nicer finish than fir and won't check. (But checking isn't such a big
problem. I used some cheap fir G2S for our elegant punt -- it was on sale
at $20 so I thought I'd save some money. I had to fix a lot of defects,
though, including sticking parts of the outer lamination back down, so I
wouldn't buy it again. On the plus side, we had the boat in the water again
yesterday, and it's still holding up just fine after almost five years --
repainted it last year. It's stored uncovered, but in the shade.)
BTW, I drove by your place a few days ago, you weren't home. I saw your
strip-built skiff outside, so I guess you don't need that piece of light
cloth I never brought over? (I had it in the van when I came by.) Sorry I
didn't get it to you in time to be of any use!
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From:j.c.ewing@...[mailto:j.c.ewing@...]
Sent: July 3, 2001 10:40 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Meranti vs. fir
Group, what exactly is miranti? At $42 Cdn a sheet for 1/4" 5-ply, is
it preferable to 1/4" 3-ply marine fir at $44 a sheet? Another option
is 3-ply, pretty-well-void-free G1S (good one side) fir plywood,
available at $25 Cdn a sheet at Home Depot. I am about to start
building the 'Instant Boat' Surf, which calls for four sheets of 1/4"
plywood.
YIBB
John in Victoria
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Group, what exactly is miranti? At $42 Cdn a sheet for 1/4" 5-ply, is
it preferable to 1/4" 3-ply marine fir at $44 a sheet? Another option
is 3-ply, pretty-well-void-free G1S (good one side) fir plywood,
available at $25 Cdn a sheet at Home Depot. I am about to start
building the 'Instant Boat' Surf, which calls for four sheets of 1/4"
plywood.
YIBB
John in Victoria
it preferable to 1/4" 3-ply marine fir at $44 a sheet? Another option
is 3-ply, pretty-well-void-free G1S (good one side) fir plywood,
available at $25 Cdn a sheet at Home Depot. I am about to start
building the 'Instant Boat' Surf, which calls for four sheets of 1/4"
plywood.
YIBB
John in Victoria
Meranti is a close cousin to mahogony and is really a trade name...We used a
lot of Meranti ply and lumber in the various Loose Moose's. It is a good
looking wood and works very well with epoxy glues and coating and in my
opinion is a much better choice than Fir which sucks up epoxy and has a
horrible raised grain that takes a lot of fairing.
Go with it you will be a happy camper!
Bob
Paradise Connections
St Thomas USVI
http://www.paradiseconnections.com
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lot of Meranti ply and lumber in the various Loose Moose's. It is a good
looking wood and works very well with epoxy glues and coating and in my
opinion is a much better choice than Fir which sucks up epoxy and has a
horrible raised grain that takes a lot of fairing.
Go with it you will be a happy camper!
Bob
Paradise Connections
St Thomas USVI
http://www.paradiseconnections.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: <j.c.ewing@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:39 PM
Subject: [bolger] Meranti vs. fir
> Group, what exactly is miranti? At $42 Cdn a sheet for 1/4" 5-ply, is
> it preferable to 1/4" 3-ply marine fir at $44 a sheet? Another option
> is 3-ply, pretty-well-void-free G1S (good one side) fir plywood,
> available at $25 Cdn a sheet at Home Depot. I am about to start
> building the 'Instant Boat' Surf, which calls for four sheets of 1/4"
> plywood.
> YIBB
> John in Victoria
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>