Re: Vandalism-instant boat advantage

chuckle...I am in New Zealand Peter, but send me an air ticket by all
means!...regards, DonB
ps, I am going to get my paint color charts out!

> Hi Don,
> One idea I have read about but have yet to attempt is to paint
> the outboard some outlandish colour.This apparently may serve to

deter

> the eager thief especially if he is half way image conscience.My

only

> efforts,to date,involve making sure the gasline is not connected

and

> keeping the turning screws,padlock and mounting jaws liberally

coated

> in axle grease.It does make something of a mess for me when
> haul-out time comes around but this is small potatoes compared to

the

> grief of having to replace the motor!
> Ultimately,a so called"pro",if he or she wants your motor bad
> enough,will get it.We can only hope they don't sink half the boat

in

> the process!
> By the way,are you anywhere near enough to Lake Champlain to

make

> a weekend with OINK worth the travel? It would be nice to see other
> MICROs!!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan......
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., dbaldnz@y... wrote:
>
> > Your mention of outboard motors is of interest, because in the

end,

> > it's the main loss if one is broken into. Its a problem because
> even
> > the smallest engine is a pain to take home after each outing. I

am

> > trying to work out some sort of "permanent" mounting and

protection

> > system, though I don't see any way of stopping the determined
> > professionals you mention.
> > Regards,
> > DonB

I've had similar thoughts about using paint to protect an outboard, but
rather than counting on a would-be thief having a sense of taste I was
thinking of camouflage-- Paint the engine bright red and put the letters
YUGO on each side of the cowl. <g>

On Sun, 08 Jul 2001 00:06:36 -0000, Peter Lenihan wrote:
> Hi Don,
> One idea I have read about but have yet to attempt is to paint
> the outboard some outlandish colour.This apparently may serve to deter
> the eager thief especially if he is half way image conscience.My only
> efforts,to date,involve making sure the gasline is not connected and
> keeping the turning screws,padlock and mounting jaws liberally coated
> in axle grease.
> ...

--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be
pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.
<Elizabeth Taylor>

A friend bought a used cowling for his outboard, scuffed it up real
bad, spray painted it ugly, then scuffed it up more. The real cover
stays hidden below until he is aboard then he switches for excursions
in the bay. He figures a real ugly outboard is a less likely target.

Rick Bedard

Edward,
You have a point there.I did not mean to imply that illegal
behavoir,whether through acts of vandalism or thievery were in any way
the exclusive domain of the less fortunate in our society.Indeed,some
mighty fine examples of the most outrageous and disgusting moral
turpitude have been visited upon society by folks who should know
better and it is a damned shame that it happens
anywhere.Regretably,certain segments of our civilized society have
been stereotyped as somehow being capable of only dastardly deeds
while others are made to appear beyond reproach.Shame!
I am sorry if I offended you by unwittingly perpetuating this
obvious fallacy.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,wondering about the merits of P.C speach,from the
twilight shores of the St.Lawrence..........

--- In bolger@y..., edward hammer <edham72@y...> wrote:
> I think you guys may have it wrong,could they possibly
> be be some rich brat, like mayby your neighbors kid.I
> know that Bush is in office, but that is no excuse to
> blame the poor or mentaly ill.Why I grew up in a very
> welthy town and a great deal of vandalism was commited
> by people that now run large corporations.ED
> --- dbaldnz@y... wrote:
> > Thanks for your thoughts and ideas Peter. I was at
> > the yard
> > yesterday, and sadly, guys were there repairing
> > their damage, some
> > with temporary plywood, another with nice
> > mahogany....makes you weep
> > to see beautiful joinery mindlessly smashed. I
> > guess the hoons will
> > be appear at a social welfare family conference to
> > work out their
> > traumas, until next time.
> > Your mention of outboard motors is of interest,
> > because in the end,
> > it's the main loss if one is broken into. Its a
> > problem because even
> > the smallest engine is a pain to take home after
> > each outing. I am
> > trying to work out some sort of "permanent" mounting
> > and protection
> > system, though I don't see any way of stopping the
> > determined
> > professionals you mention.
> > Regards,
> > DonB
> >
> >
> > > Don,
> > > So good to read that OINK came to no beastly
> > harm from
> > those"hoons"
> > > last week.I suspect that their kin,the goons,are
> > no better at doing
> > > harm to homebuilt boats either.........;-)
> > > Over the past dozen years or so,I have often
> > wondered why it
> > was/is
> > > that my boats have never been vandalized despite
> > being kept at a
> > club
> > > which is regularily visited by this sad
> > sub-species of society.
> > > To date,the best I have been able to come up
> > with is that small
> > > sailboats just aren't exciting enough.Added to
> > this is the
> > sometimes
> > > unusual rig some boats may have,like Bolgers
> > sprit-boomed
> > mains.This
> > > somehow makes sense,for,if you attempt to imagine
> > yourself as an
> > > under-achieving goon,grown bored with scratching
> > cars,and seeking
> > new
> > > challenges.....then boats do look like
> > fun!However,all those bits
> > of
> > > rope used on sailboats quickly overwhelms anyone
> > still agonizing
> > over
> > > the tying of shoe-laces!Also darkenss,their
> > favorite form of
> > > cover,does little to make things easier for
> > them!After the
> > > rigging,comes cabins.Small boats have even smaller
> > cabins.Hell,a
> > > person can't even stand up to pull his drawers on
> > without poking up
> > > through the hatch.And of course we rarely ever
> > find fancy sound
> > > systems,T.Vs or other high-tech gadgets on small
> > boats.This leaves
> > us
> > > with motors.Once again small boats frustrate the
> > Neanderthal
> > suffering
> > > from permanent"penis-envy" when faced with little
> > pussy 5hp
> > outboards.
> > > In short time,they return to scratching
> > cars,smashing bottles
> > and
> > > playing with themselves.
> > > There is one type of goon however,who does
> > present a more
> > serious
> > > risk.The new millenium entrepreneur who believes
> > he has a good
> > handle
> > > on the global market,free-trade way of
> > thinking.These unsavory sons
> > of
> > > unwed mothers are seeking products that"move"
> > quickly.Cash flow is
> > big
> > > in their vocabulary and the need is constant.This
> > is where big
> > fancy
> > > canvas enclosures found on the big plastic
> > powerboats is a Godsend
> > for
> > > us small guys.With nothing more then a penknife
> > and a pair of
> > > pliers(talk about cheap start-up costs!) these
> > guys can literally
> > shop
> > > around for tons of high-tech electronics,hidden
> > from view,thanks to
> > > the canvas work!
> > > Shame,really.This sort of worrying does little
> > to enhance our
> > > enjoyment of something as simple as
> > boating.Hopefully something
> > more
> > > titillating will arrive to drive these goons to
> > greener pastures!
> > > Safe and pleasent boating to all!
> > >
> > Sincerely,
> > >
> > Peter
> > Lenihan
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Hi Don,
One idea I have read about but have yet to attempt is to paint
the outboard some outlandish colour.This apparently may serve to deter
the eager thief especially if he is half way image conscience.My only
efforts,to date,involve making sure the gasline is not connected and
keeping the turning screws,padlock and mounting jaws liberally coated
in axle grease.It does make something of a mess for me when
haul-out time comes around but this is small potatoes compared to the
grief of having to replace the motor!
Ultimately,a so called"pro",if he or she wants your motor bad
enough,will get it.We can only hope they don't sink half the boat in
the process!
By the way,are you anywhere near enough to Lake Champlain to make
a weekend with OINK worth the travel? It would be nice to see other
MICROs!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan......

--- In bolger@y..., dbaldnz@y... wrote:

> Your mention of outboard motors is of interest, because in the end,
> it's the main loss if one is broken into. Its a problem because
even
> the smallest engine is a pain to take home after each outing. I am
> trying to work out some sort of "permanent" mounting and protection
> system, though I don't see any way of stopping the determined
> professionals you mention.
> Regards,
> DonB

I think you guys may have it wrong,could they possibly
be be some rich brat, like mayby your neighbors kid.I
know that Bush is in office, but that is no excuse to
blame the poor or mentaly ill.Why I grew up in a very
welthy town and a great deal of vandalism was commited
by people that now run large corporations.ED
---dbaldnz@...wrote:

> Thanks for your thoughts and ideas Peter. I was at
> the yard
> yesterday, and sadly, guys were there repairing
> their damage, some
> with temporary plywood, another with nice
> mahogany....makes you weep
> to see beautiful joinery mindlessly smashed. I
> guess the hoons will
> be appear at a social welfare family conference to
> work out their
> traumas, until next time.
> Your mention of outboard motors is of interest,
> because in the end,
> it's the main loss if one is broken into. Its a
> problem because even
> the smallest engine is a pain to take home after
> each outing. I am
> trying to work out some sort of "permanent" mounting
> and protection
> system, though I don't see any way of stopping the
> determined
> professionals you mention.
> Regards,
> DonB
>
>
> > Don,
> > So good to read that OINK came to no beastly
> harm from
> those"hoons"
> > last week.I suspect that their kin,the goons,are
> no better at doing
> > harm to homebuilt boats either.........;-)
> > Over the past dozen years or so,I have often
> wondered why it
> was/is
> > that my boats have never been vandalized despite
> being kept at a
> club
> > which is regularily visited by this sad
> sub-species of society.
> > To date,the best I have been able to come up
> with is that small
> > sailboats just aren't exciting enough.Added to
> this is the
> sometimes
> > unusual rig some boats may have,like Bolgers
> sprit-boomed
> mains.This
> > somehow makes sense,for,if you attempt to imagine
> yourself as an
> > under-achieving goon,grown bored with scratching
> cars,and seeking
> new
> > challenges.....then boats do look like
> fun!However,all those bits
> of
> > rope used on sailboats quickly overwhelms anyone
> still agonizing
> over
> > the tying of shoe-laces!Also darkenss,their
> favorite form of
> > cover,does little to make things easier for
> them!After the
> > rigging,comes cabins.Small boats have even smaller
> cabins.Hell,a
> > person can't even stand up to pull his drawers on
> without poking up
> > through the hatch.And of course we rarely ever
> find fancy sound
> > systems,T.Vs or other high-tech gadgets on small
> boats.This leaves
> us
> > with motors.Once again small boats frustrate the
> Neanderthal
> suffering
> > from permanent"penis-envy" when faced with little
> pussy 5hp
> outboards.
> > In short time,they return to scratching
> cars,smashing bottles
> and
> > playing with themselves.
> > There is one type of goon however,who does
> present a more
> serious
> > risk.The new millenium entrepreneur who believes
> he has a good
> handle
> > on the global market,free-trade way of
> thinking.These unsavory sons
> of
> > unwed mothers are seeking products that"move"
> quickly.Cash flow is
> big
> > in their vocabulary and the need is constant.This
> is where big
> fancy
> > canvas enclosures found on the big plastic
> powerboats is a Godsend
> for
> > us small guys.With nothing more then a penknife
> and a pair of
> > pliers(talk about cheap start-up costs!) these
> guys can literally
> shop
> > around for tons of high-tech electronics,hidden
> from view,thanks to
> > the canvas work!
> > Shame,really.This sort of worrying does little
> to enhance our
> > enjoyment of something as simple as
> boating.Hopefully something
> more
> > titillating will arrive to drive these goons to
> greener pastures!
> > Safe and pleasent boating to all!
> >
> Sincerely,
> >
> Peter
> Lenihan
>
>
>

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Thanks for your thoughts and ideas Peter. I was at the yard
yesterday, and sadly, guys were there repairing their damage, some
with temporary plywood, another with nice mahogany....makes you weep
to see beautiful joinery mindlessly smashed. I guess the hoons will
be appear at a social welfare family conference to work out their
traumas, until next time.
Your mention of outboard motors is of interest, because in the end,
it's the main loss if one is broken into. Its a problem because even
the smallest engine is a pain to take home after each outing. I am
trying to work out some sort of "permanent" mounting and protection
system, though I don't see any way of stopping the determined
professionals you mention.
Regards,
DonB

> Don,
> So good to read that OINK came to no beastly harm from

those"hoons"

> last week.I suspect that their kin,the goons,are no better at doing
> harm to homebuilt boats either.........;-)
> Over the past dozen years or so,I have often wondered why it

was/is

> that my boats have never been vandalized despite being kept at a

club

> which is regularily visited by this sad sub-species of society.
> To date,the best I have been able to come up with is that small
> sailboats just aren't exciting enough.Added to this is the

sometimes

> unusual rig some boats may have,like Bolgers sprit-boomed

mains.This

> somehow makes sense,for,if you attempt to imagine yourself as an
> under-achieving goon,grown bored with scratching cars,and seeking

new

> challenges.....then boats do look like fun!However,all those bits

of

> rope used on sailboats quickly overwhelms anyone still agonizing

over

> the tying of shoe-laces!Also darkenss,their favorite form of
> cover,does little to make things easier for them!After the
> rigging,comes cabins.Small boats have even smaller cabins.Hell,a
> person can't even stand up to pull his drawers on without poking up
> through the hatch.And of course we rarely ever find fancy sound
> systems,T.Vs or other high-tech gadgets on small boats.This leaves

us

> with motors.Once again small boats frustrate the Neanderthal

suffering

> from permanent"penis-envy" when faced with little pussy 5hp

outboards.

> In short time,they return to scratching cars,smashing bottles

and

> playing with themselves.
> There is one type of goon however,who does present a more

serious

> risk.The new millenium entrepreneur who believes he has a good

handle

> on the global market,free-trade way of thinking.These unsavory sons

of

> unwed mothers are seeking products that"move" quickly.Cash flow is

big

> in their vocabulary and the need is constant.This is where big

fancy

> canvas enclosures found on the big plastic powerboats is a Godsend

for

> us small guys.With nothing more then a penknife and a pair of
> pliers(talk about cheap start-up costs!) these guys can literally

shop

> around for tons of high-tech electronics,hidden from view,thanks to
> the canvas work!
> Shame,really.This sort of worrying does little to enhance our
> enjoyment of something as simple as boating.Hopefully something

more

> titillating will arrive to drive these goons to greener pastures!
> Safe and pleasent boating to all!
> Sincerely,
> Peter

Lenihan

Don,
So good to read that OINK came to no beastly harm from those"hoons"
last week.I suspect that their kin,the goons,are no better at doing
harm to homebuilt boats either.........;-)
Over the past dozen years or so,I have often wondered why it was/is
that my boats have never been vandalized despite being kept at a club
which is regularily visited by this sad sub-species of society.
To date,the best I have been able to come up with is that small
sailboats just aren't exciting enough.Added to this is the sometimes
unusual rig some boats may have,like Bolgers sprit-boomed mains.This
somehow makes sense,for,if you attempt to imagine yourself as an
under-achieving goon,grown bored with scratching cars,and seeking new
challenges.....then boats do look like fun!However,all those bits of
rope used on sailboats quickly overwhelms anyone still agonizing over
the tying of shoe-laces!Also darkenss,their favorite form of
cover,does little to make things easier for them!After the
rigging,comes cabins.Small boats have even smaller cabins.Hell,a
person can't even stand up to pull his drawers on without poking up
through the hatch.And of course we rarely ever find fancy sound
systems,T.Vs or other high-tech gadgets on small boats.This leaves us
with motors.Once again small boats frustrate the Neanderthal suffering
from permanent"penis-envy" when faced with little pussy 5hp outboards.
In short time,they return to scratching cars,smashing bottles and
playing with themselves.
There is one type of goon however,who does present a more serious
risk.The new millenium entrepreneur who believes he has a good handle
on the global market,free-trade way of thinking.These unsavory sons of
unwed mothers are seeking products that"move" quickly.Cash flow is big
in their vocabulary and the need is constant.This is where big fancy
canvas enclosures found on the big plastic powerboats is a Godsend for
us small guys.With nothing more then a penknife and a pair of
pliers(talk about cheap start-up costs!) these guys can literally shop
around for tons of high-tech electronics,hidden from view,thanks to
the canvas work!
Shame,really.This sort of worrying does little to enhance our
enjoyment of something as simple as boating.Hopefully something more
titillating will arrive to drive these goons to greener pastures!
Safe and pleasent boating to all!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan

--- In bolger@y..., dbaldnz@y... wrote:
> Poor little micro Oink is sitting on the hard amid the "gin
palaces",
> and last week hoons kicked their way into several boats, and on both
> sides of Oink. Stealing gear and probably looking for liquor. The
> police helicopters found about 6 of them hiding in the mangroves
> using their heat detectors.
> The point is, the Micro, looking scruffy and needing fresh paint
> didnt attract them! Maybe I won't repaint for another 2 years.
> Talking afterwards, there are 2 schools of thought...fix your boat
up
> like a fortress, in which case the other school of thought says that
> they will cause extensive damage to force an entry. The other
school
> says to make entry relatively easy, with cheap "sacrificial" ply
> doors or panels, and don't leave any valuables in the boat.
> The third way of course is to build an "instant boat"!
> DonB

I keep my Dovekie - SHOREBIRD - on a community dock with minimal
security, as you know Dovekie is tented in with canvas dodger and
canopy to enclose the cockpit, so it would be a thief or vandal's
dream come true. In the 5 years I've kept her out there no one has
even given her a second glance, occasionally I'll leave the outboard
onboard overnight but as a rule it comes home with me. I haven't had
any problems yet - knock on fiberglass.

Before getting my Dovekie I owned a 19'Bristol sloop kept on the same
dock. I was vandalised 4 years in a row, including the boat being
stolen and abandoned on a sandbar, and the engine being stolen (with
considerable damage done in the process). Could it be that locks and
closed hatches offer a "challenge" to the morally impaired?

While not an Instant Boat I think Dovekie's unique, simple appearance
says to the nautical miscreant "there's nothing on here worth
bothering with". At least that's my hope! I'd hate to have to replace
those 9' Shaw and Tenney oars!
Faire Winds,
Jake

> Did the blow take her off the beach? Not likely, she's in the wrong
> part of the lake for that, the oars are in a distinctly different
> position that they couldn't have got in on their own, and my
> cooler/rowing seat and bailing bucket are gone.
>
> Anyway, good to have her back.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David

There's another David Ryan here in Montauk. His sloop broke anchor
and went ashore in that big nor'wester that came through Monday.
While I was helping him with his boat, I let him know lil'winnie was
missing, and this evening he called telling me she was down on a
small beach near Gosman's Dock.

Did the blow take her off the beach? Not likely, she's in the wrong
part of the lake for that, the oars are in a distinctly different
position that they couldn't have got in on their own, and my
cooler/rowing seat and bailing bucket are gone.

Anyway, good to have her back.

YIBB,

David

>> Even after leaving her unpainted this year, someone's made off with
>> my teal "lil'winnie" over the past weekend.
>
>Cripes, David, your boating life has more excitement in the average
>month than I have squeezed into a lifetime! At the current rate, you
>are going to be the poster boy for both the USCG and the local
>constabulary.
>
>I wonder if there is a degree of decrepitude for a skiff which is "I
>might as well take it, no one else wants it" that falls below "not
>worth stealing".
>
>Peter
>
>
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> Even after leaving her unpainted this year, someone's made off with
> my teal "lil'winnie" over the past weekend.

Cripes, David, your boating life has more excitement in the average
month than I have squeezed into a lifetime! At the current rate, you
are going to be the poster boy for both the USCG and the local
constabulary.

I wonder if there is a degree of decrepitude for a skiff which is "I
might as well take it, no one else wants it" that falls below "not
worth stealing".

Peter

Even after leaving her unpainted this year, someone's made off with
my teal "lil'winnie" over the past weekend.

I'm putting up posters. Perhaps it was only "borrowed."

YIBB,

David

>Don,
> You are right on target with this posting. My Pointy Skiff
>currently looks like a death trap (maybe it is). But, when I leave
>it at the dinghy float, no one steals it. They always take the more
>expensive ones first!
> Here's to you and "Oink" May you celebrate independence day in
>your Bolger boat.
>
>David Jost
>
>> says to make entry relatively easy, with cheap "sacrificial" ply
>> doors or panels, and don't leave any valuables in the boat.
>> The third way of course is to build an "instant boat"!
>> DonB
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
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>- no flogging dead horses
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>- stay on topic and punctuate
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
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>
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Don,
You are right on target with this posting. My Pointy Skiff
currently looks like a death trap (maybe it is). But, when I leave
it at the dinghy float, no one steals it. They always take the more
expensive ones first!
Here's to you and "Oink" May you celebrate independence day in
your Bolger boat.

David Jost

> says to make entry relatively easy, with cheap "sacrificial" ply
> doors or panels, and don't leave any valuables in the boat.
> The third way of course is to build an "instant boat"!
> DonB

Poor little micro Oink is sitting on the hard amid the "gin palaces",
and last week hoons kicked their way into several boats, and on both
sides of Oink. Stealing gear and probably looking for liquor. The
police helicopters found about 6 of them hiding in the mangroves
using their heat detectors.
The point is, the Micro, looking scruffy and needing fresh paint
didnt attract them! Maybe I won't repaint for another 2 years.
Talking afterwards, there are 2 schools of thought...fix your boat up
like a fortress, in which case the other school of thought says that
they will cause extensive damage to force an entry. The other school
says to make entry relatively easy, with cheap "sacrificial" ply
doors or panels, and don't leave any valuables in the boat.
The third way of course is to build an "instant boat"!
DonB