RE: [bolger] Irony rope to chain splice
Hi
Page 89 of the Rigger's Apprentice says "Because rope is more susceptible to
damage than chain, it requires a higher safety factor. Therefore, size the
rope so that it is one-third stronger than the chain it is spliced to."
I don't see any particular properties that the regular chain splice doesn't
have, except that the irony splice works when the chain is too small for all
three strands to get through the link -- the irony lies in having to go back
to an archaic two-strand splice.
Toss says this is a high-skill knot that should be practiced before you use
it on the actual rode. Also recommends soaking 6 feet of the rope in hair
gel to help the individual strands retain their spiral shape. The splice
requires that you preserve the lay perfectly. Since you say that you are
familiar with the splice, I won't try to repeat the over two pages of
instructions and all the illustrations! Good Luck.
Jamie Orr
PS to Peter V. -- the shovel splice on page 92 is a different method, look
back 3 pages for start of the irony splice section. (I have the Complete
Rigger's Apprentice, 1998, you may have another edition?)
PPS Let us know how it goes -- I have never tried a chain splice, I use the
not-recommended thimble and shackle, myself.
-----Original Message-----
From: Shelley & Foster Price [mailto:fprice@...]
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 4:06 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Irony rope to chain splice
Hello Guys
I'm looking for the instuctions for the "Irony" rope to chain splice for
three strand - this is the one where the rope goes down the chains links
instead of round and being backspliced. I know its in Brion Toss's book but
there isn't a copy round here, it was also written up in "Practical Boat
Owner" mag recently. I know the basics of the splice but I need to know
more about its properties and how to size the rope to chain.
Regards - Foster
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Page 89 of the Rigger's Apprentice says "Because rope is more susceptible to
damage than chain, it requires a higher safety factor. Therefore, size the
rope so that it is one-third stronger than the chain it is spliced to."
I don't see any particular properties that the regular chain splice doesn't
have, except that the irony splice works when the chain is too small for all
three strands to get through the link -- the irony lies in having to go back
to an archaic two-strand splice.
Toss says this is a high-skill knot that should be practiced before you use
it on the actual rode. Also recommends soaking 6 feet of the rope in hair
gel to help the individual strands retain their spiral shape. The splice
requires that you preserve the lay perfectly. Since you say that you are
familiar with the splice, I won't try to repeat the over two pages of
instructions and all the illustrations! Good Luck.
Jamie Orr
PS to Peter V. -- the shovel splice on page 92 is a different method, look
back 3 pages for start of the irony splice section. (I have the Complete
Rigger's Apprentice, 1998, you may have another edition?)
PPS Let us know how it goes -- I have never tried a chain splice, I use the
not-recommended thimble and shackle, myself.
-----Original Message-----
From: Shelley & Foster Price [mailto:fprice@...]
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 4:06 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Irony rope to chain splice
Hello Guys
I'm looking for the instuctions for the "Irony" rope to chain splice for
three strand - this is the one where the rope goes down the chains links
instead of round and being backspliced. I know its in Brion Toss's book but
there isn't a copy round here, it was also written up in "Practical Boat
Owner" mag recently. I know the basics of the splice but I need to know
more about its properties and how to size the rope to chain.
Regards - Foster
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Looking at the Rigger's Apprentice, I would say that the Irony splice
is of the backsplice variety, and that you are asking about the
Shovel Splice:
Apply a double constrictor or other seizing about 2 1/2 feet from the
end of the rope, then separate the three strands (or double-braid
cover and core) into 4 equal bundles of yarns. WEave two bundles back
and forth through every other link, and the other two bundles through
the intervening links, endeavoring to pull all yarns evenly tight as
you go. Don't pull so tight that you leave slack in the chain. Tuck
each bundle of yarns 6 or 7 times, doubling the ends back on
themselves, and seize thoroughly. It ain't elegant.
He says it got its name because "if the rope ever touches the bottom,
it brings up prodigious amounts of mud."
Peter
is of the backsplice variety, and that you are asking about the
Shovel Splice:
Apply a double constrictor or other seizing about 2 1/2 feet from the
end of the rope, then separate the three strands (or double-braid
cover and core) into 4 equal bundles of yarns. WEave two bundles back
and forth through every other link, and the other two bundles through
the intervening links, endeavoring to pull all yarns evenly tight as
you go. Don't pull so tight that you leave slack in the chain. Tuck
each bundle of yarns 6 or 7 times, doubling the ends back on
themselves, and seize thoroughly. It ain't elegant.
He says it got its name because "if the rope ever touches the bottom,
it brings up prodigious amounts of mud."
Peter
--- In bolger@y..., "Shelley & Foster Price" <fprice@i...> wrote:
> Hello Guys
>
> I'm looking for the instuctions for the "Irony" rope to chain
splice for
> three strand - this is the one where the rope goes down the chains
links
> instead of round and being backspliced. I know its in Brion Toss's
book but
> there isn't a copy round here, it was also written up in "Practical
Boat
> Owner" mag recently. I know the basics of the splice but I need to
know
> more about its properties and how to size the rope to chain.
>
> Regards - Foster
Hello Guys
I'm looking for the instuctions for the "Irony" rope to chain splice for
three strand - this is the one where the rope goes down the chains links
instead of round and being backspliced. I know its in Brion Toss's book but
there isn't a copy round here, it was also written up in "Practical Boat
Owner" mag recently. I know the basics of the splice but I need to know
more about its properties and how to size the rope to chain.
Regards - Foster
I'm looking for the instuctions for the "Irony" rope to chain splice for
three strand - this is the one where the rope goes down the chains links
instead of round and being backspliced. I know its in Brion Toss's book but
there isn't a copy round here, it was also written up in "Practical Boat
Owner" mag recently. I know the basics of the splice but I need to know
more about its properties and how to size the rope to chain.
Regards - Foster