Re: Shell Boats
Yeah, does anyone know what happened to Steve Redmond? There was a
guy in Florida who was distributing his plans a few years ago; it
would sure be nice for folks to be able to get Whisp plans again. A
great boat.
The Bolger design that's probably closest in intent is the Gypsy,
see:
http://www.instantboats.com/gypsy.htm
She's just about as pretty, if a little heavier. Sails better,
rows a little worse. I agree with you about glued lapstrake. Looks
pretty, much less sanding, but does require first-class plywood. I
am just finishing up (I keep saying that, but it may actually happen
within the next few weeks) a glued lapstrake Cartopper variant. One
could do the same thing with a Gypsy; it's analogous to the two
versions of the Chebacco. Now THAT would be a lovely boat. If you
decide to build one, I can give you a few tips from my experience.
guy in Florida who was distributing his plans a few years ago; it
would sure be nice for folks to be able to get Whisp plans again. A
great boat.
The Bolger design that's probably closest in intent is the Gypsy,
see:
http://www.instantboats.com/gypsy.htm
She's just about as pretty, if a little heavier. Sails better,
rows a little worse. I agree with you about glued lapstrake. Looks
pretty, much less sanding, but does require first-class plywood. I
am just finishing up (I keep saying that, but it may actually happen
within the next few weeks) a glued lapstrake Cartopper variant. One
could do the same thing with a Gypsy; it's analogous to the two
versions of the Chebacco. Now THAT would be a lovely boat. If you
decide to build one, I can give you a few tips from my experience.
--- In bolger@y..., George T Hilliker <hilliker@a...> wrote:
> I had hoped to build Steve Redmond's Whisp. . .
> Is there a Bolger boat that would be similar
> (16' +/- flat or semi-v bottom and a decent sailing boat)? I was
> also enamored with the glued lapstrake construction.
> Nothing wrong with mentioning other small boats on Bolger. I'd haveBTW, Whisp isn't Wisp. One's Redmond ("H") and one's Bolger (no H).
> to say that you will not likely find as nice a looking boat as Wisp
> that is also as easy to build. In your shoes, a lot of folks would go
> looking for another set of Wisp plans:-)
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, George T Hilliker wrote:
tender, and not in any way roomy. It's got the interior room of a Teal,
at best, probably less, despite being 4 ft longer. It's an athletic boat
to sail, requiring judicious use of human ballast (1).
A better boat would certainly be the Common Sense Skiff, although less
purty, and June Bug would also be better, according to my lights.
> I had hoped to build Steve Redmond's Whisp. I built a model of it,The Whisp is beautiful, but not a sensible boat, IMHO. She is narrow and
> sans centerboard and mast step, several years ago and then lost the
> plans in a move. Is there a Bolger boat that would be similar (16'
> +/- flat or semi-v bottom and a decent sailing boat)?
tender, and not in any way roomy. It's got the interior room of a Teal,
at best, probably less, despite being 4 ft longer. It's an athletic boat
to sail, requiring judicious use of human ballast (1).
A better boat would certainly be the Common Sense Skiff, although less
purty, and June Bug would also be better, according to my lights.
Hi, George. I will give a vote for Dave Carnell's modification of
Bolger's Featherwind. If you built a model of Wisp then you have more
experience working with wood than I ever did. I am currently building
Carnell's boat and I have never had any wood working experience in my
life (I am 41)! Despite my best efforts to screw it up, I am happy to
report that it comes together nicely. If it weren't raining today, I
would have the bottom sprung on. I figure I am a week away from
launching her on her maiden voyage and this in 3 weeks of part time
building.
I have contacted Mr. Carnell on several occasions both by phone
and email and he has been very patient and kind in responding to my
very very basic questions. Give it a go. You won't be disappointed.
Regards,
Dennis Marshall
Bolger's Featherwind. If you built a model of Wisp then you have more
experience working with wood than I ever did. I am currently building
Carnell's boat and I have never had any wood working experience in my
life (I am 41)! Despite my best efforts to screw it up, I am happy to
report that it comes together nicely. If it weren't raining today, I
would have the bottom sprung on. I figure I am a week away from
launching her on her maiden voyage and this in 3 weeks of part time
building.
I have contacted Mr. Carnell on several occasions both by phone
and email and he has been very patient and kind in responding to my
very very basic questions. Give it a go. You won't be disappointed.
Regards,
Dennis Marshall
--- In bolger@y..., George T Hilliker <hilliker@a...> wrote:
> I realize that this may not be the place, but... I am about to
undertake
> building my first boat. I am a bit of a clutz and thought one of
the kit
> boats might be a place to start. I have read about Shell boats and
> Chesapeake Light Craft. Does anyone have any ideas about where to
> tart? -George Hilliker
http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/sailboat.html
Take a look at this site. If you look up klutz in the dictionary you will
find a photograph of me. I had
no problems with this boat and it was a first effort.
The plans are great and very complete with some
full size drawings. Also very inexpensive. It is a
Bolger design modification.
James Fuller
Take a look at this site. If you look up klutz in the dictionary you will
find a photograph of me. I had
no problems with this boat and it was a first effort.
The plans are great and very complete with some
full size drawings. Also very inexpensive. It is a
Bolger design modification.
James Fuller
----- Original Message -----
From: "George T Hilliker" <hilliker@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:59 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Shell Boats
>
> Thanks for the assurance. This clutz (klutz) should run his spell
> checker... Sorry about that. I had hoped to build Steve Redmond's Whisp.
> I built a model of it, sans centerboard and mast step, several years ago
and
> then lost the plans in a move. Is there a Bolger boat that would be
similar
> (16' +/- flat or semi-v bottom and a decent sailing boat)? I was also
> enamored with the glued lapstrake construction. -gth [BTW Believe it or
> not, my spell checker says clutz is an alternate spelling for klutz! I
sure
> are one (;>))]
> _______________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:34:24 -0000
> From:nasplundh@...
> Subject: Re: Shell Boats
>
> This klutz has built (and not quite completed) three Bolger designs:
> Pointy Skiff, Instant Kayak and Shoebox Punt. To my way of thinking,
> Bolger's plans and instructions are virtually idiot-proof, especially
> if you look at the straight-sided designs such as Teal or Zephyr.
>
> This is not to take anything away from Shell or CLC; I'm sure they
> both have good products. But I wouldn't assume that a kit will
> automatically be easier.
>
> --- In bolger@y..., George T Hilliker <hilliker@a...> wrote:
> > I realize that this may not be the place, but... I am about to
> undertake
> > building my first boat. I am a bit of a clutz and thought one of
> the kit
> > boats might be a place to start. I have read about Shell boats and
> > Chesapeake Light Craft. Does anyone have any ideas about where to
> > tart? -George Hilliker
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
>
>
George,
Nothing wrong with mentioning other small boats on Bolger. I'd have
to say that you will not likely find as nice a looking boat as Wisp
that is also as easy to build. In your shoes, a lot of folks would go
looking for another set of Wisp plans:-)
In Bolger, you might like the Pirate Racer, similar but
larger/heavier than Wisp. Also, tho' even still larger, Windsprint is
a remarkable performer and a really simple building job. There is
nothing at all negative to say about the Shell boats.
Nothing wrong with mentioning other small boats on Bolger. I'd have
to say that you will not likely find as nice a looking boat as Wisp
that is also as easy to build. In your shoes, a lot of folks would go
looking for another set of Wisp plans:-)
In Bolger, you might like the Pirate Racer, similar but
larger/heavier than Wisp. Also, tho' even still larger, Windsprint is
a remarkable performer and a really simple building job. There is
nothing at all negative to say about the Shell boats.
--- In bolger@y..., George T Hilliker <hilliker@a...> wrote:
> I realize that this may not be the place, but< SNIP
> I have read about Shell boats and
> Chesapeake Light Craft. Does anyone have any ideas about where to
> start? -George Hilliker
Welcome to a fun world. You might want to check out the $200 sailboat by
Dave Carnell. It is a Bolger boat with modifications. The plan detail is
great; plans are cheap. Dave is easy to talk to and available by email.
http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/sailboat.html
Jim C.
Dave Carnell. It is a Bolger boat with modifications. The plan detail is
great; plans are cheap. Dave is easy to talk to and available by email.
http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/sailboat.html
Jim C.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George T Hilliker [mailto:hilliker@...]
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:59 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Shell Boats
>
>
>
> Thanks for the assurance. This clutz (klutz) should run his spell
> checker... Sorry about that. I had hoped to build Steve Redmond's Whisp.
> I built a model of it, sans centerboard and mast step, several
> years ago and
> then lost the plans in a move. Is there a Bolger boat that would
> be similar
> (16' +/- flat or semi-v bottom and a decent sailing boat)? I was also
> enamored with the glued lapstrake construction. -gth [BTW Believe it or
> not, my spell checker says clutz is an alternate spelling for
> klutz! I sure
> are one (;>))]
> _______________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:34:24 -0000
> From:nasplundh@...
> Subject: Re: Shell Boats
>
> This klutz has built (and not quite completed) three Bolger designs:
> Pointy Skiff, Instant Kayak and Shoebox Punt. To my way of thinking,
> Bolger's plans and instructions are virtually idiot-proof, especially
> if you look at the straight-sided designs such as Teal or Zephyr.
>
> This is not to take anything away from Shell or CLC; I'm sure they
> both have good products. But I wouldn't assume that a kit will
> automatically be easier.
>
> --- In bolger@y..., George T Hilliker <hilliker@a...> wrote:
> > I realize that this may not be the place, but... I am about to
> undertake
> > building my first boat. I am a bit of a clutz and thought one of
> the kit
> > boats might be a place to start. I have read about Shell boats and
> > Chesapeake Light Craft. Does anyone have any ideas about where to
> > tart? -George Hilliker
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
> Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Thanks for the assurance. This clutz (klutz) should run his spell
checker... Sorry about that. I had hoped to build Steve Redmond's Whisp.
I built a model of it, sans centerboard and mast step, several years ago and
then lost the plans in a move. Is there a Bolger boat that would be similar
(16' +/- flat or semi-v bottom and a decent sailing boat)? I was also
enamored with the glued lapstrake construction. -gth [BTW Believe it or
not, my spell checker says clutz is an alternate spelling for klutz! I sure
are one (;>))]
_______________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 7
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:34:24 -0000
From:nasplundh@...
Subject: Re: Shell Boats
This klutz has built (and not quite completed) three Bolger designs:
Pointy Skiff, Instant Kayak and Shoebox Punt. To my way of thinking,
Bolger's plans and instructions are virtually idiot-proof, especially
if you look at the straight-sided designs such as Teal or Zephyr.
This is not to take anything away from Shell or CLC; I'm sure they
both have good products. But I wouldn't assume that a kit will
automatically be easier.
checker... Sorry about that. I had hoped to build Steve Redmond's Whisp.
I built a model of it, sans centerboard and mast step, several years ago and
then lost the plans in a move. Is there a Bolger boat that would be similar
(16' +/- flat or semi-v bottom and a decent sailing boat)? I was also
enamored with the glued lapstrake construction. -gth [BTW Believe it or
not, my spell checker says clutz is an alternate spelling for klutz! I sure
are one (;>))]
_______________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 7
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:34:24 -0000
From:nasplundh@...
Subject: Re: Shell Boats
This klutz has built (and not quite completed) three Bolger designs:
Pointy Skiff, Instant Kayak and Shoebox Punt. To my way of thinking,
Bolger's plans and instructions are virtually idiot-proof, especially
if you look at the straight-sided designs such as Teal or Zephyr.
This is not to take anything away from Shell or CLC; I'm sure they
both have good products. But I wouldn't assume that a kit will
automatically be easier.
--- In bolger@y..., George T Hilliker <hilliker@a...> wrote:
> I realize that this may not be the place, but... I am about to
undertake
> building my first boat. I am a bit of a clutz and thought one of
the kit
> boats might be a place to start. I have read about Shell boats and
> Chesapeake Light Craft. Does anyone have any ideas about where to
> tart? -George Hilliker
________________________________________________________________________
George,
My first boat project was a Shell Swifty 14. Built it about 11 yrs
ago and I've spent the last few years modifying it with a cuddy cabin
and a few other things. The kit went together very easily as Shell
prefits/predrill everything. The result is a very nice looking
multichine boat. Feel free to write direct to me if you want more
details.
Steve
My first boat project was a Shell Swifty 14. Built it about 11 yrs
ago and I've spent the last few years modifying it with a cuddy cabin
and a few other things. The kit went together very easily as Shell
prefits/predrill everything. The result is a very nice looking
multichine boat. Feel free to write direct to me if you want more
details.
Steve
This klutz has built (and not quite completed) three Bolger designs:
Pointy Skiff, Instant Kayak and Shoebox Punt. To my way of thinking,
Bolger's plans and instructions are virtually idiot-proof, especially
if you look at the straight-sided designs such as Teal or Zephyr.
This is not to take anything away from Shell or CLC; I'm sure they
both have good products. But I wouldn't assume that a kit will
automatically be easier.
Pointy Skiff, Instant Kayak and Shoebox Punt. To my way of thinking,
Bolger's plans and instructions are virtually idiot-proof, especially
if you look at the straight-sided designs such as Teal or Zephyr.
This is not to take anything away from Shell or CLC; I'm sure they
both have good products. But I wouldn't assume that a kit will
automatically be easier.
--- In bolger@y..., George T Hilliker <hilliker@a...> wrote:
> I realize that this may not be the place, but... I am about to
undertake
> building my first boat. I am a bit of a clutz and thought one of
the kit
> boats might be a place to start. I have read about Shell boats and
> Chesapeake Light Craft. Does anyone have any ideas about where to
> tart? -George Hilliker
I realize that this may not be the place, but... I am about to undertake
building my first boat. I am a bit of a clutz and thought one of the kit
boats might be a place to start. I have read about Shell boats and
Chesapeake Light Craft. Does anyone have any ideas about where to
tart? -George Hilliker
building my first boat. I am a bit of a clutz and thought one of the kit
boats might be a place to start. I have read about Shell boats and
Chesapeake Light Craft. Does anyone have any ideas about where to
tart? -George Hilliker