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Thanks John. I will put the list of light waypoints for the west
coast on my C22 site later this morning. Sorry I don't have a Bolger
site (yet).
I would still like to find the list for the east coast. Can anyone
help out?
I would be glad to publish any other lists that might be helpful.
Got any you want to share? Since I am in the Chesapeake Bay I am
especially interested in that area, but I don't mind publishing data
from anywhere in the world.
Pete Staehling
http://members.home.net/pstaeh
coast on my C22 site later this morning. Sorry I don't have a Bolger
site (yet).
I would still like to find the list for the east coast. Can anyone
help out?
I would be glad to publish any other lists that might be helpful.
Got any you want to share? Since I am in the Chesapeake Bay I am
especially interested in that area, but I don't mind publishing data
from anywhere in the world.
Pete Staehling
http://members.home.net/pstaeh
I'm afraid I only have the 1999 West Coast data (I don't recall if there
was anything more recent on the Web page). For a limited time you can find
it here:
http://www.boat-links.com/images/LiteList-1999-WestCoastAndPacific.txt
Note that it's a plain text file. To download it directly, without viewing
all the stuff in your browser, right click on the above link and then
choose "save link document as" or something like that. The format is what
GPS Utility likes, but I think it's the same as I got from the original
site, and what most GPS programs can read. Using your GPS data manipulation
program you can extract just the waypoints you need for your sailing area
and give them more meaningful names before loading them into your GPS
receiver.
was anything more recent on the Web page). For a limited time you can find
it here:
http://www.boat-links.com/images/LiteList-1999-WestCoastAndPacific.txt
Note that it's a plain text file. To download it directly, without viewing
all the stuff in your browser, right click on the above link and then
choose "save link document as" or something like that. The format is what
GPS Utility likes, but I think it's the same as I got from the original
site, and what most GPS programs can read. Using your GPS data manipulation
program you can extract just the waypoints you need for your sailing area
and give them more meaningful names before loading them into your GPS
receiver.
On Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:50:57 -0000, Pete Staehling wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> > I hope the free light list waypoints reappear on the 'net
> > someday, it was a handy resource.
>
> I'd be happy to host it on my website if someone has a copy of the
> data or knows a way to collect it easily. Anyone save a copy of the
> site?
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
People say that life is the thing, but I prefer reading. <Logan Pearsall Smith>
>John -I get the same error: can't find the server.
>
>I believe that your posting is at least the second time that the URL
>
>http://www.jmsci.com/waypoints/
>
>has been posted.
>
>Each time I've seen it and tried to follow it I've received an error
>message "... unable to locate the server www.jmsci.com."
>
>I this a valid URL? Am I doing something wrong? Have others been
>able to access the site from the US? (I'm wondering if the country
>code is missing from the posted URL.)
hal
Ok, I'm jealous now James. My son-in-law was here yesterday with his copy
of MS MapPoint. We hooked up the Mariner, and it zoomed right in on our
house! What a hoot! I guess I will have to get a laptop, now. Really,
though, when you consider the vulnerability of computers, the mapping units
like yours make a lot of sense. Let us know how it works.
Chuck
of MS MapPoint. We hooked up the Mariner, and it zoomed right in on our
house! What a hoot! I guess I will have to get a laptop, now. Really,
though, when you consider the vulnerability of computers, the mapping units
like yours make a lot of sense. Let us know how it works.
Chuck
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Fuller [mailto:james@...]
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:14 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Handhelp GPS
>
>
> Chuck,
>
> I found a NIB GPSMAP 76 on Ebay for $285.00 and bought it.
> Can't wait to try it out!!
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
Chuck,
I found a NIB GPSMAP 76 on Ebay for $285.00 and bought it.
Can't wait to try it out!!
Thanks,
James
I found a NIB GPSMAP 76 on Ebay for $285.00 and bought it.
Can't wait to try it out!!
Thanks,
James
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:26 PM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Handhelp GPS
> James:
>
> Richard Spelling got a used Magellan for $35 at a garage sale that works
> just fine. For a starter unit (they all give speed) I like the basic
eTrex
> by Garmin. You can find them on sale for about a hundred bucks. They
have
> small handhelds with built in maps for several hundred dollars, but I
think
> the screens are too small to be really useful.
>
> There is one: the GPSMAP 76, that has a larger screen, if you want maps.
> It's about $350 You will be amazed at all the bells and whistles that are
> crammed into these little units.
>
> Chuck
>
> >
> > Chuck,
> >
> > I am looking to buy a GPS also. What I want is something I can
> > use to find
> > my way with, both on and off
> > the water (inland), that shows speed. I don't know squat about
> > them. Would
> > you be so kind as to offer
> > a suggestion? Top dollars would be perhaps $400 without the mess of a
> > divorce lawyer.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > James Fuller
> >
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
>
>
Is this what you are looking for? I haven't been following this
thread very closely, but I found this in my bookmarks.
http://www.gpsu.co.uk/
Vance
thread very closely, but I found this in my bookmarks.
http://www.gpsu.co.uk/
Vance
--- In bolger@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> I checked that URL last night, unfortunately _after_ I'd sent the
message to the list. I got a "couldn't locate server" error, and
another one
--- In bolger@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:
data or knows a way to collect it easily. Anyone save a copy of the
site?
Pete Staehling
> I hope the free light list waypoints reappear on the 'netI'd be happy to host it on my website if someone has a copy of the
> someday, it was a handy resource.
data or knows a way to collect it easily. Anyone save a copy of the
site?
Pete Staehling
I checked that URL last night, unfortunately _after_ I'd sent the message
to the list. I got a "couldn't locate server" error, and another one when I
tried again a few minutes ago. I suspect that jmsci.com went belly up and
the waypoints no longer have a home. :o( Sorry for giving you a bum steer.
There's a remote possibility that there's just been some technical problem
with the server, but don't get your hopes up. I'll try them again in a few
days, and if I still can't raise them I'll have to delete the link from my
links list.
I hope the free light list waypoints reappear on the 'net someday, it was a
handy resource.
to the list. I got a "couldn't locate server" error, and another one when I
tried again a few minutes ago. I suspect that jmsci.com went belly up and
the waypoints no longer have a home. :o( Sorry for giving you a bum steer.
There's a remote possibility that there's just been some technical problem
with the server, but don't get your hopes up. I'll try them again in a few
days, and if I still can't raise them I'll have to delete the link from my
links list.
I hope the free light list waypoints reappear on the 'net someday, it was a
handy resource.
On Sat, 04 Aug 2001 17:46:28 -0000, Dave wrote:
> John -
>
> I believe that your posting is at least the second time that the URL
>
>http://www.jmsci.com/waypoints/
>
> has been posted.
>
> Each time I've seen it and tried to follow it I've received an error
> message "... unable to locate the server www.jmsci.com."
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what
you don't like, and do what you'd rather not. <Mark Twain>
Thanks John. But I can't accesshttp://www.jmsci.com/waypoints/
either. Have you tried it lately? -- Johannes
either. Have you tried it lately? -- Johannes
--- In bolger@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> Johannes-
>
> The built in light list data really isn't worth a lot ($10 is
plenty) since
> the info can be found for free on the 'net and downloaded to the
eTrex. I
> don't know how the Mariner works, but I imagine it's easier to
manage the
> navaid waypoints if you only have the ones in your cruising area
loaded
> into the machine. If you're paddling Lake Superior do you really
need to
> have the navigation aids for Florida, Puget Sound and downeast
Maine loaded
> up? Here's where the free light list waypoints are:
>
>http://www.jmsci.com/waypoints/
>
> And here's the program I like for managing GPS data, it even lets
you use
> any scanned map, as long as you can pinpoint at least two locations
to
> scale it:
>
>http://www.gpsu.co.uk/
>
In a message dated 8/4/2001 1:47:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dave1776us@...writes:
Jim Stumpf
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
dave1776us@...writes:
>http://www.jmsci.com/waypoints/Your not mad. As written I cannot load the above site either.
>
> has been posted.
>
> Each time I've seen it and tried to follow it I've received an error
> message "... unable to locate the server www.jmsci.com."
>
Jim Stumpf
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
John -
I believe that your posting is at least the second time that the URL
http://www.jmsci.com/waypoints/
has been posted.
Each time I've seen it and tried to follow it I've received an error
message "... unable to locate the server www.jmsci.com."
I this a valid URL? Am I doing something wrong? Have others been
able to access the site from the US? (I'm wondering if the country
code is missing from the posted URL.)
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards, dave
I believe that your posting is at least the second time that the URL
http://www.jmsci.com/waypoints/
has been posted.
Each time I've seen it and tried to follow it I've received an error
message "... unable to locate the server www.jmsci.com."
I this a valid URL? Am I doing something wrong? Have others been
able to access the site from the US? (I'm wondering if the country
code is missing from the posted URL.)
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards, dave
Johannes-
The built in light list data really isn't worth a lot ($10 is plenty) since
the info can be found for free on the 'net and downloaded to the eTrex. I
don't know how the Mariner works, but I imagine it's easier to manage the
navaid waypoints if you only have the ones in your cruising area loaded
into the machine. If you're paddling Lake Superior do you really need to
have the navigation aids for Florida, Puget Sound and downeast Maine loaded
up? Here's where the free light list waypoints are:
http://www.jmsci.com/waypoints/
And here's the program I like for managing GPS data, it even lets you use
any scanned map, as long as you can pinpoint at least two locations to
scale it:
http://www.gpsu.co.uk/
The built in light list data really isn't worth a lot ($10 is plenty) since
the info can be found for free on the 'net and downloaded to the eTrex. I
don't know how the Mariner works, but I imagine it's easier to manage the
navaid waypoints if you only have the ones in your cruising area loaded
into the machine. If you're paddling Lake Superior do you really need to
have the navigation aids for Florida, Puget Sound and downeast Maine loaded
up? Here's where the free light list waypoints are:
http://www.jmsci.com/waypoints/
And here's the program I like for managing GPS data, it even lets you use
any scanned map, as long as you can pinpoint at least two locations to
scale it:
http://www.gpsu.co.uk/
On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 20:56:04 -0000, Johannes wrote:
> Chuck,
>
> I did find the eTrex Mariner on www.garmin.com,
> ...
> case, and of course it has the Navaids data preloaded into memory.
> You pay an extra $10 for that. I'm interested in a unit for sailing
> and kayaking Lake Superior, but haven't been able to find out if it
> has Navaids for the Great Lakes and other inland waterways, or if it
> only has salt water coastal coverage. Do you happen to know about
> that, or about what PC software would be handy for creating and
> managing waypoints and routes, for uploading to the Mariner?
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Nobody ought to wear a Greek fisherman's hat unless they meet two conditions:
1. He is a Greek
2. He is a Fisherman <Roy Blount Jr.>
Thanks Chuck and Jim,
Good to know the inland navaids are there on the eTrex Mariner. I've
been playing on a site that seems very useful and informative, called
something like Eric's GPS Page, at
http://www.geocities.com/fairbank56/
that some of you might like to check out. I downloaded some free
USGS 7.5 deg quadrangles, and some free software that lets you add
digital geo-referencing, so you can pick waypoints right off the
maps. There's other intriguing stuff there too.
Johannes
Chuck Leinweber wrote:
On the advice of a member of the group I went and took a look at the
Garmin
United States Waterways
and Lights CD which also has Garmin's MapSource software. I now know
that it
has all the buoys and
lights on Lake Champlain in Vermont so I can't imagine that they
don't do as
good a job on the much
larger Great Lakes.
I've got an older model Garmin handheld GPS, a model 45, which has
been
replaced by the 47. After I
bought the connector cable and a Belkin box to plug into a USB port
on my
computer, the process of
generating waypoints and laying out multiple courses then downloading
them to
the 45 was absolutely
straightforward, well documented, easy, and quick.
Garmin's tech support people answered my pre-purchase questions and
were
knowledgeable folks, which
is not always the case in today's software world.
You can reach them, toll free in the U.S., at 888 442 7646 select
Option 3.
(The wait for a live person can be quite long, however.)
I don't know anything about their eTrex but I'm pretty sure that
their tech
people can give you a
full briefing. My 45 and the 47 are really quite compact. I could see
either
one working very well in
a kayak environment.
Johannes wrote:
Good to know the inland navaids are there on the eTrex Mariner. I've
been playing on a site that seems very useful and informative, called
something like Eric's GPS Page, at
http://www.geocities.com/fairbank56/
that some of you might like to check out. I downloaded some free
USGS 7.5 deg quadrangles, and some free software that lets you add
digital geo-referencing, so you can pick waypoints right off the
maps. There's other intriguing stuff there too.
Johannes
Chuck Leinweber wrote:
> I think the Mariner is sold exclusively by West Marine. That'swhat WM says
> anyway. I thought about getting the Venture and then loading thenavaids
> myself, but I like the white case better anyway. I just checkedthe map for
> Duluth and there are all kinds of navaids shown, including YellowCans. I
> never heard of Yellow cans, we have green cans and red cones hereon the
> gulf coast.they have
>
> I just got the thing the other day, and I was surprised at how far
> come since they made my GPS 38. It is so small, and the controlsare much
> easier and more intuitive. I have not figured out how to inputwaypoints
> via computer yet, but I did upload an updated operating system thatI got
> free from the Garmin website.Jim Pope wrote:
>
On the advice of a member of the group I went and took a look at the
Garmin
United States Waterways
and Lights CD which also has Garmin's MapSource software. I now know
that it
has all the buoys and
lights on Lake Champlain in Vermont so I can't imagine that they
don't do as
good a job on the much
larger Great Lakes.
I've got an older model Garmin handheld GPS, a model 45, which has
been
replaced by the 47. After I
bought the connector cable and a Belkin box to plug into a USB port
on my
computer, the process of
generating waypoints and laying out multiple courses then downloading
them to
the 45 was absolutely
straightforward, well documented, easy, and quick.
Garmin's tech support people answered my pre-purchase questions and
were
knowledgeable folks, which
is not always the case in today's software world.
You can reach them, toll free in the U.S., at 888 442 7646 select
Option 3.
(The wait for a live person can be quite long, however.)
I don't know anything about their eTrex but I'm pretty sure that
their tech
people can give you a
full briefing. My 45 and the 47 are really quite compact. I could see
either
one working very well in
a kayak environment.
Johannes wrote:
> > Chuck, I did find the eTrex Mariner on www.garmin.com, althoughit wasn't
> > easy. I went right to the User's Manuals link, and found theMariner
> > under the "Outdoor" category, not under "Marine". You can pagesailing
> > through the manual there. I think the Mariner may have been
> > available using the Product Comparison link that is sometimes
> > available, too, if I'm not mistaken. Apparently it's identical to
> > the Venture model, except for it's white rather than transparent
> > case, and of course it has the Navaids data preloaded into memory.
> > You pay an extra $10 for that. I'm interested in a unit for
> > and kayaking Lake Superior, but haven't been able to find out ifit
> > has Navaids for the Great Lakes and other inland waterways, or ifit
> > only has salt water coastal coverage. Do you happen to know about
> > that, or about what PC software would be handy for creating and
> > managing waypoints and routes, for uploading to the Mariner?
> >
> > Johannes
> >
James:
Richard Spelling got a used Magellan for $35 at a garage sale that works
just fine. For a starter unit (they all give speed) I like the basic eTrex
by Garmin. You can find them on sale for about a hundred bucks. They have
small handhelds with built in maps for several hundred dollars, but I think
the screens are too small to be really useful.
There is one: the GPSMAP 76, that has a larger screen, if you want maps.
It's about $350 You will be amazed at all the bells and whistles that are
crammed into these little units.
Chuck
Richard Spelling got a used Magellan for $35 at a garage sale that works
just fine. For a starter unit (they all give speed) I like the basic eTrex
by Garmin. You can find them on sale for about a hundred bucks. They have
small handhelds with built in maps for several hundred dollars, but I think
the screens are too small to be really useful.
There is one: the GPSMAP 76, that has a larger screen, if you want maps.
It's about $350 You will be amazed at all the bells and whistles that are
crammed into these little units.
Chuck
>
> Chuck,
>
> I am looking to buy a GPS also. What I want is something I can
> use to find
> my way with, both on and off
> the water (inland), that shows speed. I don't know squat about
> them. Would
> you be so kind as to offer
> a suggestion? Top dollars would be perhaps $400 without the mess of a
> divorce lawyer.
> Thanks,
>
> James Fuller
>
Johannes
On the advice of a member of the group I went and took a look at the Garmin United States Waterways
and Lights CD which also has Garmin's MapSource software. I now know that it has all the buoys and
lights on Lake Champlain in Vermont so I can't imagine that they don't do as good a job on the much
larger Great Lakes.
I've got an older model Garmin handheld GPS, a model 45, which has been replaced by the 47. After I
bought the connector cable and a Belkin box to plug into a USB port on my computer, the process of
generating waypoints and laying out multiple courses then downloading them to the 45 was absolutely
straightforward, well documented, easy, and quick.
Garmin's tech support people answered my pre-purchase questions and were knowledgeable folks, which
is not always the case in today's software world.
You can reach them, toll free in the U.S., at 888 442 7646 select Option 3.
(The wait for a live person can be quite long, however.)
I don't know anything about their eTrex but I'm pretty sure that their tech people can give you a
full briefing. My 45 and the 47 are really quite compact. I could see either one working very well in
a kayak environment.
Good luck,
Jim
Johannes Gustafsson wrote:
On the advice of a member of the group I went and took a look at the Garmin United States Waterways
and Lights CD which also has Garmin's MapSource software. I now know that it has all the buoys and
lights on Lake Champlain in Vermont so I can't imagine that they don't do as good a job on the much
larger Great Lakes.
I've got an older model Garmin handheld GPS, a model 45, which has been replaced by the 47. After I
bought the connector cable and a Belkin box to plug into a USB port on my computer, the process of
generating waypoints and laying out multiple courses then downloading them to the 45 was absolutely
straightforward, well documented, easy, and quick.
Garmin's tech support people answered my pre-purchase questions and were knowledgeable folks, which
is not always the case in today's software world.
You can reach them, toll free in the U.S., at 888 442 7646 select Option 3.
(The wait for a live person can be quite long, however.)
I don't know anything about their eTrex but I'm pretty sure that their tech people can give you a
full briefing. My 45 and the 47 are really quite compact. I could see either one working very well in
a kayak environment.
Good luck,
Jim
Johannes Gustafsson wrote:
> Chuck,
>
> I did find the eTrex Mariner on www.garmin.com, although it wasn't
> easy. I went right to the User's Manuals link, and found the Mariner
> under the "Outdoor" category, not under "Marine". You can page
> through the manual there. I think the Mariner may have been
> available using the Product Comparison link that is sometimes
> available, too, if I'm not mistaken. Apparently it's identical to
> the Venture model, except for it's white rather than transparent
> case, and of course it has the Navaids data preloaded into memory.
> You pay an extra $10 for that. I'm interested in a unit for sailing
> and kayaking Lake Superior, but haven't been able to find out if it
> has Navaids for the Great Lakes and other inland waterways, or if it
> only has salt water coastal coverage. Do you happen to know about
> that, or about what PC software would be handy for creating and
> managing waypoints and routes, for uploading to the Mariner?
>
> Johannes
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@d...> wrote:
> <snip>
> I am planning to buy their new E-trex Mariner: It has twelve
> channels for fast positions, and a marine Aids to Navigation database
> built in. This all for only a little more than the first one
> ($179). It only seems to be available from West Marine - it is not
> shown on the Garmin website.
> <snip>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Johannes:
I think the Mariner is sold exclusively by West Marine. That's what WM says
anyway. I thought about getting the Venture and then loading the navaids
myself, but I like the white case better anyway. I just checked the map for
Duluth and there are all kinds of navaids shown, including Yellow Cans. I
never heard of Yellow cans, we have green cans and red cones here on the
gulf coast.
I just got the thing the other day, and I was surprised at how far they have
come since they made my GPS 38. It is so small, and the controls are much
easier and more intuitive. I have not figured out how to input waypoints
via computer yet, but I did upload an updated operating system that I got
free from the Garmin website.
Chuck
I think the Mariner is sold exclusively by West Marine. That's what WM says
anyway. I thought about getting the Venture and then loading the navaids
myself, but I like the white case better anyway. I just checked the map for
Duluth and there are all kinds of navaids shown, including Yellow Cans. I
never heard of Yellow cans, we have green cans and red cones here on the
gulf coast.
I just got the thing the other day, and I was surprised at how far they have
come since they made my GPS 38. It is so small, and the controls are much
easier and more intuitive. I have not figured out how to input waypoints
via computer yet, but I did upload an updated operating system that I got
free from the Garmin website.
Chuck
> Chuck,
>
> I did find the eTrex Mariner on www.garmin.com, although it wasn't
> easy. I went right to the User's Manuals link, and found the Mariner
> under the "Outdoor" category, not under "Marine". You can page
> through the manual there. I think the Mariner may have been
> available using the Product Comparison link that is sometimes
> available, too, if I'm not mistaken. Apparently it's identical to
> the Venture model, except for it's white rather than transparent
> case, and of course it has the Navaids data preloaded into memory.
> You pay an extra $10 for that. I'm interested in a unit for sailing
> and kayaking Lake Superior, but haven't been able to find out if it
> has Navaids for the Great Lakes and other inland waterways, or if it
> only has salt water coastal coverage. Do you happen to know about
> that, or about what PC software would be handy for creating and
> managing waypoints and routes, for uploading to the Mariner?
>
> Johannes
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johannes Gustafsson" <boathead5@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:56 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Handhelp GPS
Chuck,
I am looking to buy a GPS also. What I want is something I can use to find
my way with, both on and off
the water (inland), that shows speed. I don't know squat about them. Would
you be so kind as to offer
a suggestion? Top dollars would be perhaps $400 without the mess of a
divorce lawyer.
Thanks,
James Fuller
Chuck,
I did find the eTrex Mariner on www.garmin.com, although it wasn't
easy. I went right to the User's Manuals link, and found the Mariner
under the "Outdoor" category, not under "Marine". You can page
through the manual there. I think the Mariner may have been
available using the Product Comparison link that is sometimes
available, too, if I'm not mistaken. Apparently it's identical to
the Venture model, except for it's white rather than transparent
case, and of course it has the Navaids data preloaded into memory.
You pay an extra $10 for that. I'm interested in a unit for sailing
and kayaking Lake Superior, but haven't been able to find out if it
has Navaids for the Great Lakes and other inland waterways, or if it
only has salt water coastal coverage. Do you happen to know about
that, or about what PC software would be handy for creating and
managing waypoints and routes, for uploading to the Mariner?
Johannes
I did find the eTrex Mariner on www.garmin.com, although it wasn't
easy. I went right to the User's Manuals link, and found the Mariner
under the "Outdoor" category, not under "Marine". You can page
through the manual there. I think the Mariner may have been
available using the Product Comparison link that is sometimes
available, too, if I'm not mistaken. Apparently it's identical to
the Venture model, except for it's white rather than transparent
case, and of course it has the Navaids data preloaded into memory.
You pay an extra $10 for that. I'm interested in a unit for sailing
and kayaking Lake Superior, but haven't been able to find out if it
has Navaids for the Great Lakes and other inland waterways, or if it
only has salt water coastal coverage. Do you happen to know about
that, or about what PC software would be handy for creating and
managing waypoints and routes, for uploading to the Mariner?
Johannes
--- In bolger@y..., "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@d...> wrote:
<snip>
I am planning to buy their new E-trex Mariner: It has twelve
channels for fast positions, and a marine Aids to Navigation database
built in. This all for only a little more than the first one
($179). It only seems to be available from West Marine - it is not
shown on the Garmin website.
<snip>
User's manual? What's that? <g> Thanks for the tip, it's good to know that
in a pinch one can enter waypoints directly into the eTrex. I'll stick to
my comment about the tedium of entering stuff without a keypad though.
Editing each digit of the waypoints with the up and down keys may not be as
bad as sanding epoxy, but it's bad enough that I'll avoid it if I can.
Fortunately there are practical ways to get waypoints into a handheld GPS
without wearing one's thumbs out. <g> Now if I could just figure out a way
to get a computer to sand epoxy...
in a pinch one can enter waypoints directly into the eTrex. I'll stick to
my comment about the tedium of entering stuff without a keypad though.
Editing each digit of the waypoints with the up and down keys may not be as
bad as sanding epoxy, but it's bad enough that I'll avoid it if I can.
Fortunately there are practical ways to get waypoints into a handheld GPS
without wearing one's thumbs out. <g> Now if I could just figure out a way
to get a computer to sand epoxy...
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:21:26 -0000, Peter V wrote:
> I took a look at the eTrex manual at www.garmin.com. To enter any
> desired waypoint, create a new waypoint 'here,' and edit the name and
> location using the waypoint edit functions. See pages 14 and 22/23. I
> am sure that it is tedious compared to using a computer, but not to
> be compared with, say, sanding epoxy.
>
> Peter
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
"Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb.
"Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the truth.
<Alfred North Whitehead>
Thanks, John, and also Peter V.
I've been exploring both the Garmin and Magellan sites. So far it seems
like Garmin has the edge, due in part to the customer friendly local
supplier I spoke to, and to the number of people who seem to be happy with
them.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From:jhkohnen@...[mailto:jhkohnen@...]
Sent: July 26, 2001 1:38 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Handhelp GPS
Jamie-
I'll have the eTrex with me at Port Townsend. I may be wrong, but I don't
think you can enter waypoints directly into any of the little handheld GPSs
without "being there". Even if you could, it would be so tedious to do
without a keypad that you'd never try it more than once. That's why you
should plan on getting a computer interface cable, hooked up to a computer
you can easily enter waypoints, and do lots of other things as well.
I've been exploring both the Garmin and Magellan sites. So far it seems
like Garmin has the edge, due in part to the customer friendly local
supplier I spoke to, and to the number of people who seem to be happy with
them.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From:jhkohnen@...[mailto:jhkohnen@...]
Sent: July 26, 2001 1:38 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Handhelp GPS
Jamie-
I'll have the eTrex with me at Port Townsend. I may be wrong, but I don't
think you can enter waypoints directly into any of the little handheld GPSs
without "being there". Even if you could, it would be so tedious to do
without a keypad that you'd never try it more than once. That's why you
should plan on getting a computer interface cable, hooked up to a computer
you can easily enter waypoints, and do lots of other things as well.
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:48:40 -0700, Jamie Orr wrote:
> John,
>
> Would you mind bringing that to Port Townsend? I'd like to see one up
close
> before I get carried away and spend any money....
>
> Can you enter the waypoints without being there?
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
No man will be a sailor who has contrivance enough to get himself into
jail;
for being in a ship is being in a jail, with the chance of being
drowned...
A man in jail has more room, better food, and commonly better company.
<Samuel Johnson>
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> I'll have the eTrex with me at Port Townsend. I may be wrong, but Idon't
> think you can enter waypoints directly into any of the littlehandheld GPSs
> without "being there".I took a look at the eTrex manual at www.garmin.com. To enter any
desired waypoint, create a new waypoint 'here,' and edit the name and
location using the waypoint edit functions. See pages 14 and 22/23. I
am sure that it is tedious compared to using a computer, but not to
be compared with, say, sanding epoxy.
Peter
--- In bolger@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:
way. I bet other brands are similar. I would say it takes about a
1/2 to 1 minute per waypoint at most, certainly not a real big deal.
If you have 30 of them to enter it would take a little while though.
I must say that I usually use a cable and either Ozi Explorer
(inexpensive) or Magellan Waypoint Editor (free) to set up waypoints
for boating or car trips. I have usually manually entered in a
waypoint or two for Geocaching (see www.geocaching.com if you never
heard of this, it's fun).
Pete Staehling
> Jamie-Not true. It is pretty quick and easy, with the Magellans 315 any
>
> I'll have the eTrex with me at Port Townsend. I may be wrong,
> but I don't think you can enter waypoints directly into any
> of the little handheld GPSs without "being there".
way. I bet other brands are similar. I would say it takes about a
1/2 to 1 minute per waypoint at most, certainly not a real big deal.
If you have 30 of them to enter it would take a little while though.
I must say that I usually use a cable and either Ozi Explorer
(inexpensive) or Magellan Waypoint Editor (free) to set up waypoints
for boating or car trips. I have usually manually entered in a
waypoint or two for Geocaching (see www.geocaching.com if you never
heard of this, it's fun).
Pete Staehling
Jamie-
I'll have the eTrex with me at Port Townsend. I may be wrong, but I don't
think you can enter waypoints directly into any of the little handheld GPSs
without "being there". Even if you could, it would be so tedious to do
without a keypad that you'd never try it more than once. That's why you
should plan on getting a computer interface cable, hooked up to a computer
you can easily enter waypoints, and do lots of other things as well.
I'll have the eTrex with me at Port Townsend. I may be wrong, but I don't
think you can enter waypoints directly into any of the little handheld GPSs
without "being there". Even if you could, it would be so tedious to do
without a keypad that you'd never try it more than once. That's why you
should plan on getting a computer interface cable, hooked up to a computer
you can easily enter waypoints, and do lots of other things as well.
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:48:40 -0700, Jamie Orr wrote:
> John,
>
> Would you mind bringing that to Port Townsend? I'd like to see one up close
> before I get carried away and spend any money....
>
> Can you enter the waypoints without being there?
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
No man will be a sailor who has contrivance enough to get himself into jail;
for being in a ship is being in a jail, with the chance of being drowned...
A man in jail has more room, better food, and commonly better company.
<Samuel Johnson>
One more plug for Garmin. I bought one several years ago for
one of my commercial fish boats. I used it for a whole
season before I bothered to open the manual. Very intuitive
and user friendly. I have a hand held now, and I have never
opened the manual, as a matter of fact I haven't a clew
where it is. I would suggest going down to your local West
dealer (If they are on the East coast) or other marine store
and trying out a few.
With WAAS they are down to a meter or so accuracy. If you
are 20 yds out it is a chart error.
HJ
one of my commercial fish boats. I used it for a whole
season before I bothered to open the manual. Very intuitive
and user friendly. I have a hand held now, and I have never
opened the manual, as a matter of fact I haven't a clew
where it is. I would suggest going down to your local West
dealer (If they are on the East coast) or other marine store
and trying out a few.
With WAAS they are down to a meter or so accuracy. If you
are 20 yds out it is a chart error.
HJ
> I'd like a unit that would be water resistant if not water proof.
> I've heard that some of them will tell you how fast you're going.
> I've seen preprogrammed maps; that seems nice, but lat and long is
> enough for me.
>
> So, any recommendations?
>
> YIBB,
>
John,
Would you mind bringing that to Port Townsend? I'd like to see one up close
before I get carried away and spend any money....
Can you enter the waypoints without being there?
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From:jhkohnen@...[mailto:jhkohnen@...]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:05 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Handhelp GPS
I've got a Garmin eTrex and I like it fine. It's small & handy, can hold
500 waypoints, is waterproof & floats, and only cost $110. I paid Garmin
$40(!) for the cable to hook it up to my computer, but I've since found
outfits that sell the cable and connectors for much less. The cable and a
GPS program for your computer really make the GPS more useful, bite the
bullet and get them. In fact, I'd say buy a cheaper GPS if you have to so
you can afford the interface cable and program. The program I use is GPS
Utility, it's a Good One and the free demo is fully fundtional except that
it only handles a small number of waypoints.
http://www.gpsu.co.uk/
There are now several flavors of the eTrex in addition to the basic one I
own, most with WAAS (whatever that is). The West Marine special model comes
with the computer cable, which makes its price more bearable, and comes with
WAAS and all the USCG navigation aids installed, and maybe some more
goodies, for $170 or so. But the basic model does everything I need (I use
it mostly for fun, really, but it's pretty powerful).
Would you mind bringing that to Port Townsend? I'd like to see one up close
before I get carried away and spend any money....
Can you enter the waypoints without being there?
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From:jhkohnen@...[mailto:jhkohnen@...]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:05 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Handhelp GPS
I've got a Garmin eTrex and I like it fine. It's small & handy, can hold
500 waypoints, is waterproof & floats, and only cost $110. I paid Garmin
$40(!) for the cable to hook it up to my computer, but I've since found
outfits that sell the cable and connectors for much less. The cable and a
GPS program for your computer really make the GPS more useful, bite the
bullet and get them. In fact, I'd say buy a cheaper GPS if you have to so
you can afford the interface cable and program. The program I use is GPS
Utility, it's a Good One and the free demo is fully fundtional except that
it only handles a small number of waypoints.
http://www.gpsu.co.uk/
There are now several flavors of the eTrex in addition to the basic one I
own, most with WAAS (whatever that is). The West Marine special model comes
with the computer cable, which makes its price more bearable, and comes with
WAAS and all the USCG navigation aids installed, and maybe some more
goodies, for $170 or so. But the basic model does everything I need (I use
it mostly for fun, really, but it's pretty powerful).
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:12:32 -0400, David wrote:
> ...
> It has recently come to my attention that GPS units are actually
> affordable enough to have "just for fun."
>
> I'd like a unit that would be water resistant if not water proof.
> I've heard that some of them will tell you how fast you're going.
> I've seen preprogrammed maps; that seems nice, but lat and long is
> enough for me.
> ...
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on.
<William Burroughs>
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I've got a Garmin eTrex and I like it fine. It's small & handy, can hold
500 waypoints, is waterproof & floats, and only cost $110. I paid Garmin
$40(!) for the cable to hook it up to my computer, but I've since found
outfits that sell the cable and connectors for much less. The cable and a
GPS program for your computer really make the GPS more useful, bite the
bullet and get them. In fact, I'd say buy a cheaper GPS if you have to so
you can afford the interface cable and program. The program I use is GPS
Utility, it's a Good One and the free demo is fully fundtional except that
it only handles a small number of waypoints.
http://www.gpsu.co.uk/
There are now several flavors of the eTrex in addition to the basic one I
own, most with WAAS (whatever that is). The West Marine special model comes
with the computer cable, which makes its price more bearable, and comes with
WAAS and all the USCG navigation aids installed, and maybe some more
goodies, for $170 or so. But the basic model does everything I need (I use
it mostly for fun, really, but it's pretty powerful).
500 waypoints, is waterproof & floats, and only cost $110. I paid Garmin
$40(!) for the cable to hook it up to my computer, but I've since found
outfits that sell the cable and connectors for much less. The cable and a
GPS program for your computer really make the GPS more useful, bite the
bullet and get them. In fact, I'd say buy a cheaper GPS if you have to so
you can afford the interface cable and program. The program I use is GPS
Utility, it's a Good One and the free demo is fully fundtional except that
it only handles a small number of waypoints.
http://www.gpsu.co.uk/
There are now several flavors of the eTrex in addition to the basic one I
own, most with WAAS (whatever that is). The West Marine special model comes
with the computer cable, which makes its price more bearable, and comes with
WAAS and all the USCG navigation aids installed, and maybe some more
goodies, for $170 or so. But the basic model does everything I need (I use
it mostly for fun, really, but it's pretty powerful).
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:12:32 -0400, David wrote:
> ...
> It has recently come to my attention that GPS units are actually
> affordable enough to have "just for fun."
>
> I'd like a unit that would be water resistant if not water proof.
> I've heard that some of them will tell you how fast you're going.
> I've seen preprogrammed maps; that seems nice, but lat and long is
> enough for me.
> ...
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on.
<William Burroughs>
I borrowed a Garmin II once, but didn't know how to do more than read off
the latitude and longitude. I had a conversation recently with one of the
salesmen a big marine place here, selling to commercial and recreational
boaters. He said he was GPS junky, and had bought and tried a number of
them. However, he found that after the honeymoon, he didn't use most of the
expensive features, although he tried them out (downloading charts,
waypoints and so on). We talked about the kind of sailing I do, which
restricts me to handheld choices, and he felt that the simplest GPS would be
the best value -- specifically the E-Trex. (I see the Magellan is cheaper,
but I don't know much about it -- has anyone tried one?)
I haven't bought one yet, but I'll probably take his advice get the E-Trex
when I do. However, I wouldn't feel comfortable without knowing where I am
on the chart -- the batteries on the chart have never quit on me yet.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Leinweber [mailto:chuck@...]
Sent: July 23, 2001 11:08 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [bolger] Handhelp GPS
David:
I got a Garmin 38 about 5 years ago. I paid about $150 for it. It has
worked very well, but the units today are much better. I am planning to buy
their new E-trex Mariner:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=201
&prrfnbr=104240&store_num=3&store_name=Electronics&subdept_num=157&subdept_n
ame=GPS&class_num=159&class_name=Handheld%20Mapping%20GPS
(sorry about the long url) It has twelve channels for fast positions, and a
marine Aids to Navigation database built in. This all for only a little
more than the first one ($179). It only seems to be available from West
Marine - it is not shown on the Garmin website. I will keep the older unit
for a backup.
Chuck
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the latitude and longitude. I had a conversation recently with one of the
salesmen a big marine place here, selling to commercial and recreational
boaters. He said he was GPS junky, and had bought and tried a number of
them. However, he found that after the honeymoon, he didn't use most of the
expensive features, although he tried them out (downloading charts,
waypoints and so on). We talked about the kind of sailing I do, which
restricts me to handheld choices, and he felt that the simplest GPS would be
the best value -- specifically the E-Trex. (I see the Magellan is cheaper,
but I don't know much about it -- has anyone tried one?)
I haven't bought one yet, but I'll probably take his advice get the E-Trex
when I do. However, I wouldn't feel comfortable without knowing where I am
on the chart -- the batteries on the chart have never quit on me yet.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Leinweber [mailto:chuck@...]
Sent: July 23, 2001 11:08 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [bolger] Handhelp GPS
David:
I got a Garmin 38 about 5 years ago. I paid about $150 for it. It has
worked very well, but the units today are much better. I am planning to buy
their new E-trex Mariner:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=201
&prrfnbr=104240&store_num=3&store_name=Electronics&subdept_num=157&subdept_n
ame=GPS&class_num=159&class_name=Handheld%20Mapping%20GPS
(sorry about the long url) It has twelve channels for fast positions, and a
marine Aids to Navigation database built in. This all for only a little
more than the first one ($179). It only seems to be available from West
Marine - it is not shown on the Garmin website. I will keep the older unit
for a backup.
Chuck
>Bolger rules!!!
> It has recently come to my attention that GPS units are actually
> affordable enough to have "just for fun."
>
> So, any recommendations?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
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Chuck, you should look on ebay.
--- In bolger@y..., "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@d...> wrote:
> David:
>
> I got a Garmin 38 about 5 years ago. I paid about $150 for it. It
has
> worked very well, but the units today are much better. I am
planning to buy
> their new E-trex Mariner:
>
>http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?
prmenbr=201
>
&prrfnbr=104240&store_num=3&store_name=Electronics&subdept_num=157&sub
dept_n
> ame=GPS&class_num=159&class_name=Handheld%20Mapping%20GPS
>
> (sorry about the long url) It has twelve channels for fast
positions, and a
> marine Aids to Navigation database built in. This all for only a
little
> more than the first one ($179). It only seems to be available from
West
> Marine - it is not shown on the Garmin website. I will keep the
older unit
> for a backup.
>
> Chuck
>
> >
> > It has recently come to my attention that GPS units are actually
> > affordable enough to have "just for fun."
> >
> > So, any recommendations?
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> >
David:
I got a Garmin 38 about 5 years ago. I paid about $150 for it. It has
worked very well, but the units today are much better. I am planning to buy
their new E-trex Mariner:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=201
&prrfnbr=104240&store_num=3&store_name=Electronics&subdept_num=157&subdept_n
ame=GPS&class_num=159&class_name=Handheld%20Mapping%20GPS
(sorry about the long url) It has twelve channels for fast positions, and a
marine Aids to Navigation database built in. This all for only a little
more than the first one ($179). It only seems to be available from West
Marine - it is not shown on the Garmin website. I will keep the older unit
for a backup.
Chuck
I got a Garmin 38 about 5 years ago. I paid about $150 for it. It has
worked very well, but the units today are much better. I am planning to buy
their new E-trex Mariner:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=201
&prrfnbr=104240&store_num=3&store_name=Electronics&subdept_num=157&subdept_n
ame=GPS&class_num=159&class_name=Handheld%20Mapping%20GPS
(sorry about the long url) It has twelve channels for fast positions, and a
marine Aids to Navigation database built in. This all for only a little
more than the first one ($179). It only seems to be available from West
Marine - it is not shown on the Garmin website. I will keep the older unit
for a backup.
Chuck
>
> It has recently come to my attention that GPS units are actually
> affordable enough to have "just for fun."
>
> So, any recommendations?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> It has recently come to my attention that GPS units are actuallyI suspect that even the $100 units have just about all the features
> affordable enough to have "just for fun."
one could want in a small boat, unless you move up to the map-display
models. Large numbers of waypoints and pre-planned courses don't mean
much in the context of, say, a Micro.
I dare say that all GPS units give you your speed and direction of
travel. Remember that it is speed over the ground and includes the
effect of current. If you are moving slowly or irregularly, then the
inherent error (about the size of a tennis court!) and the time-
averaging (depends on the unit) affect the speed readout.
I find mine quite a lot of fun, and a big help in finding unlit buoys
at night.
Peter
FBBB --
The last electronic navigation aid I used was a loran C that my
father had about his commercial fishing skiff in the hope that it
might increase our odds of making it back from our occasional trips
to the 60 mile bank of SoCal.
I seem to remember cost about half as much as the entire boat.
It has recently come to my attention that GPS units are actually
affordable enough to have "just for fun."
I'd like a unit that would be water resistant if not water proof.
I've heard that some of them will tell you how fast you're going.
I've seen preprogrammed maps; that seems nice, but lat and long is
enough for me.
So, any recommendations?
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
The last electronic navigation aid I used was a loran C that my
father had about his commercial fishing skiff in the hope that it
might increase our odds of making it back from our occasional trips
to the 60 mile bank of SoCal.
I seem to remember cost about half as much as the entire boat.
It has recently come to my attention that GPS units are actually
affordable enough to have "just for fun."
I'd like a unit that would be water resistant if not water proof.
I've heard that some of them will tell you how fast you're going.
I've seen preprogrammed maps; that seems nice, but lat and long is
enough for me.
So, any recommendations?
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296