Re: [bolger] Re: Cartopper/Sea Bird construction question
Wow, I thought I was the only one putting screws on the wrong side. I've
done that twice already on two different boats.
When putting the front of my Tennessee together, I used 1x4 stock on the
bottom of the frames, with about the equivalent size on the tops (cut down
1x6 stock) with 1x2 on the sides. The frames still bowed in the middle when
I put the sides on. I ended up having to force several 1x2s lengthwise
between the frames to keep them aligned. I like your idea of using
temporary 2x4 stock until the deck and bottom pieces are attached. I just
hope I can remember on the next boat.
Funny thing about it all was that it took several days for the bows to show
up! That night as the epoxy was setting after attaching the sides, all the
measurements and to the eye everything was perfect. Two days later when I
went to fillet and tape the seams, it was fairly obvious what had happened.
Jeff
done that twice already on two different boats.
When putting the front of my Tennessee together, I used 1x4 stock on the
bottom of the frames, with about the equivalent size on the tops (cut down
1x6 stock) with 1x2 on the sides. The frames still bowed in the middle when
I put the sides on. I ended up having to force several 1x2s lengthwise
between the frames to keep them aligned. I like your idea of using
temporary 2x4 stock until the deck and bottom pieces are attached. I just
hope I can remember on the next boat.
Funny thing about it all was that it took several days for the bows to show
up! That night as the epoxy was setting after attaching the sides, all the
measurements and to the eye everything was perfect. Two days later when I
went to fillet and tape the seams, it was fairly obvious what had happened.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: <binksboats@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:32 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cartopper/Sea Bird construction question
> Peter,
>
> I agree with the other replies to your question. I am building
> a Cartopper and will add that I used scrap 1 X 2's on the edges of the
> frames and fastened the sides and bottom to them with sheetrock
> screws. When the plywood was bent on to the frames they took on a
> definite bow. I clamped 2 X 4's to the middle of each frame to
> straighten them while I wired and filleted the long seams. However,
> when I put the first course of the gunwales on, the bowing went away.
> BTW...It helps to plan ahead when deciding which side of the frame
> gets the temp. framing. In tight areas the screw heads should be on
> the wider side of the frame. Guess which side I used up in the bow?
>
> Bink.
>
> --- In bolger@y..., pvanderw@o... wrote:
> >
> > In an original Instant Boat, eg Teal, the frames have a 1/x2 nailer,
> > and the sides are firmly nailed on as the bull goes 3D. With
> > Cartopper, there is just the edge of the plywood frame. How does the
> > whole thing get attached together and aligned so that the fillet and
> > tape can be done?
> >
> > Would the same method work on the much bigger Sea Bird '86? If not,
> > how would that boat be built? Strongback? Basket mold?
> >
> > Just curious.
> >
> > Peter
>
>
>
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Peter,
I agree with the other replies to your question. I am building
a Cartopper and will add that I used scrap 1 X 2's on the edges of the
frames and fastened the sides and bottom to them with sheetrock
screws. When the plywood was bent on to the frames they took on a
definite bow. I clamped 2 X 4's to the middle of each frame to
straighten them while I wired and filleted the long seams. However,
when I put the first course of the gunwales on, the bowing went away.
BTW...It helps to plan ahead when deciding which side of the frame
gets the temp. framing. In tight areas the screw heads should be on
the wider side of the frame. Guess which side I used up in the bow?
Bink.
I agree with the other replies to your question. I am building
a Cartopper and will add that I used scrap 1 X 2's on the edges of the
frames and fastened the sides and bottom to them with sheetrock
screws. When the plywood was bent on to the frames they took on a
definite bow. I clamped 2 X 4's to the middle of each frame to
straighten them while I wired and filleted the long seams. However,
when I put the first course of the gunwales on, the bowing went away.
BTW...It helps to plan ahead when deciding which side of the frame
gets the temp. framing. In tight areas the screw heads should be on
the wider side of the frame. Guess which side I used up in the bow?
Bink.
--- In bolger@y..., pvanderw@o... wrote:
>
> In an original Instant Boat, eg Teal, the frames have a 1/x2 nailer,
> and the sides are firmly nailed on as the bull goes 3D. With
> Cartopper, there is just the edge of the plywood frame. How does the
> whole thing get attached together and aligned so that the fillet and
> tape can be done?
>
> Would the same method work on the much bigger Sea Bird '86? If not,
> how would that boat be built? Strongback? Basket mold?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Peter
Nymph was the same way. I used 1x2's srewed into the frames and
nailed throught the plywood into them to hold the sides and bilge
panels in pace until I had the majority of the inside glass work
done. The I unscrewed the 1x2's from the frames and filled in the
holes with an expoy putty. Presto...magic!
Rich
nailed throught the plywood into them to hold the sides and bilge
panels in pace until I had the majority of the inside glass work
done. The I unscrewed the 1x2's from the frames and filled in the
holes with an expoy putty. Presto...magic!
Rich
--- In bolger@y..., "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@b...> wrote:
> Chebacco is the same. I used temporary cleats screwed to the
frames. On
> the long seams, I screwed a variety of plywood scraps wherever
needed to
> push or pull the edges into line. I also used a semi-ladder frame
(the
> middle frames and moulds were attached but not the ends -- they were
> supported independently because I used a couple of 6 x 6's I had on
hand for
> the ladder, and they were only 10 feet long.) Should work on Sea
Bird too.
>
> Jamie Orr
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: pvanderw@o... [mailto:pvanderw@o...]
> Sent: July 23, 2001 1:08 PM
> To: bolger@y...
> Subject: [bolger] Cartopper/Sea Bird construction question
>
>
>
> In an original Instant Boat, eg Teal, the frames have a 1/x2
nailer,
> and the sides are firmly nailed on as the bull goes 3D. With
> Cartopper, there is just the edge of the plywood frame. How does
the
> whole thing get attached together and aligned so that the fillet
and
> tape can be done?
>
> Would the same method work on the much bigger Sea Bird '86? If not,
> how would that boat be built? Strongback? Basket mold?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you
like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
>
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Chebacco is the same. I used temporary cleats screwed to the frames. On
the long seams, I screwed a variety of plywood scraps wherever needed to
push or pull the edges into line. I also used a semi-ladder frame (the
middle frames and moulds were attached but not the ends -- they were
supported independently because I used a couple of 6 x 6's I had on hand for
the ladder, and they were only 10 feet long.) Should work on Sea Bird too.
Jamie Orr
----Original Message-----
From:pvanderw@...[mailto:pvanderw@...]
Sent: July 23, 2001 1:08 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Cartopper/Sea Bird construction question
In an original Instant Boat, eg Teal, the frames have a 1/x2 nailer,
and the sides are firmly nailed on as the bull goes 3D. With
Cartopper, there is just the edge of the plywood frame. How does the
whole thing get attached together and aligned so that the fillet and
tape can be done?
Would the same method work on the much bigger Sea Bird '86? If not,
how would that boat be built? Strongback? Basket mold?
Just curious.
Peter
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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the long seams, I screwed a variety of plywood scraps wherever needed to
push or pull the edges into line. I also used a semi-ladder frame (the
middle frames and moulds were attached but not the ends -- they were
supported independently because I used a couple of 6 x 6's I had on hand for
the ladder, and they were only 10 feet long.) Should work on Sea Bird too.
Jamie Orr
----Original Message-----
From:pvanderw@...[mailto:pvanderw@...]
Sent: July 23, 2001 1:08 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Cartopper/Sea Bird construction question
In an original Instant Boat, eg Teal, the frames have a 1/x2 nailer,
and the sides are firmly nailed on as the bull goes 3D. With
Cartopper, there is just the edge of the plywood frame. How does the
whole thing get attached together and aligned so that the fillet and
tape can be done?
Would the same method work on the much bigger Sea Bird '86? If not,
how would that boat be built? Strongback? Basket mold?
Just curious.
Peter
Bolger rules!!!
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- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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In an original Instant Boat, eg Teal, the frames have a 1/x2 nailer,
and the sides are firmly nailed on as the bull goes 3D. With
Cartopper, there is just the edge of the plywood frame. How does the
whole thing get attached together and aligned so that the fillet and
tape can be done?
Would the same method work on the much bigger Sea Bird '86? If not,
how would that boat be built? Strongback? Basket mold?
Just curious.
Peter
and the sides are firmly nailed on as the bull goes 3D. With
Cartopper, there is just the edge of the plywood frame. How does the
whole thing get attached together and aligned so that the fillet and
tape can be done?
Would the same method work on the much bigger Sea Bird '86? If not,
how would that boat be built? Strongback? Basket mold?
Just curious.
Peter