Re: Small catamarans?
I have both a Bolger Gloucester light dory, which I built, and
a Hobie 16, which I didn't build.
The Dory is relativly fast for a rowing boat, but is a displacement
hull. I don't think it would either have a flat enough run aft to
plane, or is fine enough to slice though the water.
Maybe narrower, but then you have someting other than the Dory,
and they would have to be decked.
Probably better to go with a dory designed cat.
I once make a tri-maran by putting my Folbot in between the two
hulls of my Hobie, so I will try anything.
Resulted in a load carrier, but not very fast, but was easier
than paddling the five miles to my camping spot.
Keep comming up with ideas. There are no bad ideas, just sometimes
some bad results.
Have Fun
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
a Hobie 16, which I didn't build.
The Dory is relativly fast for a rowing boat, but is a displacement
hull. I don't think it would either have a flat enough run aft to
plane, or is fine enough to slice though the water.
Maybe narrower, but then you have someting other than the Dory,
and they would have to be decked.
Probably better to go with a dory designed cat.
I once make a tri-maran by putting my Folbot in between the two
hulls of my Hobie, so I will try anything.
Resulted in a load carrier, but not very fast, but was easier
than paddling the five miles to my camping spot.
Keep comming up with ideas. There are no bad ideas, just sometimes
some bad results.
Have Fun
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
--- In bolger@e..., stephen@p... wrote:
> Hello Matt: I assume you've seen the small "beach cats" from James
> and Lillian Woods (the 14' Pixie and 16' Quattro). Their smallest
> boat with accommodations is the 22' Janus, with "dory"-style
hulls.
> Construction looks to be about as simple as you're likely to find
in
> that size. Details at www.sailingcatamarans.com
>
> If you want something smaller and are willing to sleep in an open
> cockpit, you might take a look at Selway-Fisher's "DoCat". Fisher
> has a 14' banks-style rowing dory called the Exe dory, and Docat is
> two Exe hulls joined together, with sailing rig, rudder, and etc.
> (The beam on each hull is 4' at the gunwales, and 2' at the
chines.)
> Take it apart, and the hulls can still be rowed. The boat is
nearly
> cartoppable (70 lbs for each hull). With removable thwarts, there
> should be plenty of room for one person to sleep in each hull. For
> something a bit bigger, you could ask Paul Fisher about a similar
> arrangement with his 18-foot Exe dory. (He's quick to respond to
> e-mail inquiries.)
>
> All this leads me to wonder, of course, whether one could rig a
> sailing cat by joining two of Bolger's Gloucester light dories . . .
>
> Cheers,
> Stephen Paskey
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "Matthew, Agnes and Fletcher Peillet-Long"
> <owlnmole@y...> wrote:
> > My priorities are simplicity in the building and the rig, minimal
>
> accommodations for 2, and, ideally, trailerability.
> >
> > I know that PCB has done a few cats. Other than the Singlehander
> > Catamaran in BOATS WITH AN OPEN MIND, can anyone suggest any
other
> > small cats, Bolger or otherwise?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Matthew Long
> All this leads me to wonder, of course, whether one could rig aDynamite Payson says in "Build the New Instant Boats" that Windsprint
> sailing cat by joining two of Bolger's Gloucester light dories . . .
(16' double-ended sharpie) had its beginnings in an odd experimental
Bolger catamaran design, which had a large sail way back, aft of the
helmsman, and a bow rudder. One was built in New Zealand, and it
didn't really work out.
But I bet joining two Windsprints with a more conventional sail and
rudder arrangement would make a nice, roomy catamaran. That's
probably bigger than you're looking for, but it makes for a fun
thought experiment. Which does lead us back to trying it with Light
Dories. . . .
Also check out Jim Michalak's trimaran add-on for his lovely
Larsboat. That looks like good clean fun.
All best,
Garth
Hello Matt: I assume you've seen the small "beach cats" from James
and Lillian Woods (the 14' Pixie and 16' Quattro). Their smallest
boat with accommodations is the 22' Janus, with "dory"-style hulls.
Construction looks to be about as simple as you're likely to find in
that size. Details at www.sailingcatamarans.com
If you want something smaller and are willing to sleep in an open
cockpit, you might take a look at Selway-Fisher's "DoCat". Fisher
has a 14' banks-style rowing dory called the Exe dory, and Docat is
two Exe hulls joined together, with sailing rig, rudder, and etc.
(The beam on each hull is 4' at the gunwales, and 2' at the chines.)
Take it apart, and the hulls can still be rowed. The boat is nearly
cartoppable (70 lbs for each hull). With removable thwarts, there
should be plenty of room for one person to sleep in each hull. For
something a bit bigger, you could ask Paul Fisher about a similar
arrangement with his 18-foot Exe dory. (He's quick to respond to
e-mail inquiries.)
All this leads me to wonder, of course, whether one could rig a
sailing cat by joining two of Bolger's Gloucester light dories . . .
Cheers,
Stephen Paskey
--- In bolger@y..., "Matthew, Agnes and Fletcher Peillet-Long"
<owlnmole@y...> wrote:
and Lillian Woods (the 14' Pixie and 16' Quattro). Their smallest
boat with accommodations is the 22' Janus, with "dory"-style hulls.
Construction looks to be about as simple as you're likely to find in
that size. Details at www.sailingcatamarans.com
If you want something smaller and are willing to sleep in an open
cockpit, you might take a look at Selway-Fisher's "DoCat". Fisher
has a 14' banks-style rowing dory called the Exe dory, and Docat is
two Exe hulls joined together, with sailing rig, rudder, and etc.
(The beam on each hull is 4' at the gunwales, and 2' at the chines.)
Take it apart, and the hulls can still be rowed. The boat is nearly
cartoppable (70 lbs for each hull). With removable thwarts, there
should be plenty of room for one person to sleep in each hull. For
something a bit bigger, you could ask Paul Fisher about a similar
arrangement with his 18-foot Exe dory. (He's quick to respond to
e-mail inquiries.)
All this leads me to wonder, of course, whether one could rig a
sailing cat by joining two of Bolger's Gloucester light dories . . .
Cheers,
Stephen Paskey
--- In bolger@y..., "Matthew, Agnes and Fletcher Peillet-Long"
<owlnmole@y...> wrote:
> My priorities are simplicity in the building and the rig, minimal >accommodations for 2, and, ideally, trailerability.
>
> I know that PCB has done a few cats. Other than the Singlehander
> Catamaran in BOATS WITH AN OPEN MIND, can anyone suggest any other
> small cats, Bolger or otherwise?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Matthew Long
Depending on how small you consider "small", you may want to check
Bernard Vey's site: www.enthousiaste.com (in french). This guy is a
very well known designer for amateurs (his Serpentaire line deserves
a look!). Of course, James Wharram's small crafts deserve
consideration too.
Best, Pippo
--- In bolger@y..., "Matthew, Agnes and Fletcher Peillet-Long"
<owlnmole@y...> wrote:
Bernard Vey's site: www.enthousiaste.com (in french). This guy is a
very well known designer for amateurs (his Serpentaire line deserves
a look!). Of course, James Wharram's small crafts deserve
consideration too.
Best, Pippo
--- In bolger@y..., "Matthew, Agnes and Fletcher Peillet-Long"
<owlnmole@y...> wrote:
> Greetings all!as
>
> I've been reading Thomas Firth Jones's new book, NEW PLYWOOD BOATS,
> and thinking about tackling a small catamaran. Jones's Weekender
> <http://www.jonesboats.com/weekender.html> is a likely candidate,
> are Wharram's designs, though his smallest boat with accommodationsis
> a fairly hefty 21'. My priorities are simplicity in the buildingand
> the rig, minimal accommodations for 2, and, ideally, trailerability.
>
> I know that PCB has done a few cats. Other than the Singlehander
> Catamaran in BOATS WITH AN OPEN MIND, can anyone suggest any other
> small cats, Bolger or otherwise?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Matthew Long
Matthew,
I lived on a 34' Wharram cat that my father built as a kid. While
they are sea worthy boats, they are VERY heavily built. Like all cats they
do sail very fast. Something that you might want to be aware of about cats
is that they can have an uncomfortable motion due to there good stability,
they tend to absorb all the stress of a gust rather than releasing it like a
mono hull does by heeling. As the only boats that have made me sea sick are
catamaran's, I would advise that you go out in some one else's before you
decide to build one for yourself.
Stuart Crawford
New Zealand
----------
I lived on a 34' Wharram cat that my father built as a kid. While
they are sea worthy boats, they are VERY heavily built. Like all cats they
do sail very fast. Something that you might want to be aware of about cats
is that they can have an uncomfortable motion due to there good stability,
they tend to absorb all the stress of a gust rather than releasing it like a
mono hull does by heeling. As the only boats that have made me sea sick are
catamaran's, I would advise that you go out in some one else's before you
decide to build one for yourself.
Stuart Crawford
New Zealand
----------
>From: "Matthew, Agnes and Fletcher Peillet-Long" <owlnmole@...>
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Small catamarans?
>Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 2:27 AM
>
> Greetings all!
>
> I've been reading Thomas Firth Jones's new book, NEW PLYWOOD BOATS,
> and thinking about tackling a small catamaran. Jones's Weekender
> <http://www.jonesboats.com/weekender.html> is a likely candidate, as
> are Wharram's designs, though his smallest boat with accommodations is
> a fairly hefty 21'. My priorities are simplicity in the building and
> the rig, minimal accommodations for 2, and, ideally, trailerability.
>
> I know that PCB has done a few cats. Other than the Singlehander
> Catamaran in BOATS WITH AN OPEN MIND, can anyone suggest any other
> small cats, Bolger or otherwise?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Matthew Long
>
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Matthew,
You could look at both the Jarcat and the Pocketcat.
Jarcat =http://www.ozemail.com.au/~rhturner/j5-6.html
Pocketcat =http://www.concentric.net/~Pcat18/index.html
If you are willing to live with tent accomodations then Wharram's Hitia 14 or
17 could work well.
Cheers,
Chuck.
In a message dated 7/24/01 8:18:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
owlnmole@...writes:
<< reetings all!
I've been reading Thomas Firth Jones's new book, NEW PLYWOOD BOATS,
and thinking about tackling a small catamaran. Jones's Weekender
<http://www.jonesboats.com/weekender.html> is a likely candidate, as
are Wharram's designs, though his smallest boat with accommodations is
a fairly hefty 21'. My priorities are simplicity in the building and
the rig, minimal accommodations for 2, and, ideally, trailerability.
I know that PCB has done a few cats. Other than the Singlehander
Catamaran in BOATS WITH AN OPEN MIND, can anyone suggest any other
small cats, Bolger or otherwise?
Thanks in advance,
Matthew Long
You could look at both the Jarcat and the Pocketcat.
Jarcat =http://www.ozemail.com.au/~rhturner/j5-6.html
Pocketcat =http://www.concentric.net/~Pcat18/index.html
If you are willing to live with tent accomodations then Wharram's Hitia 14 or
17 could work well.
Cheers,
Chuck.
In a message dated 7/24/01 8:18:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
owlnmole@...writes:
<< reetings all!
I've been reading Thomas Firth Jones's new book, NEW PLYWOOD BOATS,
and thinking about tackling a small catamaran. Jones's Weekender
<http://www.jonesboats.com/weekender.html> is a likely candidate, as
are Wharram's designs, though his smallest boat with accommodations is
a fairly hefty 21'. My priorities are simplicity in the building and
the rig, minimal accommodations for 2, and, ideally, trailerability.
I know that PCB has done a few cats. Other than the Singlehander
Catamaran in BOATS WITH AN OPEN MIND, can anyone suggest any other
small cats, Bolger or otherwise?
Thanks in advance,
Matthew Long
>>
Greetings all!
I've been reading Thomas Firth Jones's new book, NEW PLYWOOD BOATS,
and thinking about tackling a small catamaran. Jones's Weekender
<http://www.jonesboats.com/weekender.html> is a likely candidate, as
are Wharram's designs, though his smallest boat with accommodations is
a fairly hefty 21'. My priorities are simplicity in the building and
the rig, minimal accommodations for 2, and, ideally, trailerability.
I know that PCB has done a few cats. Other than the Singlehander
Catamaran in BOATS WITH AN OPEN MIND, can anyone suggest any other
small cats, Bolger or otherwise?
Thanks in advance,
Matthew Long
I've been reading Thomas Firth Jones's new book, NEW PLYWOOD BOATS,
and thinking about tackling a small catamaran. Jones's Weekender
<http://www.jonesboats.com/weekender.html> is a likely candidate, as
are Wharram's designs, though his smallest boat with accommodations is
a fairly hefty 21'. My priorities are simplicity in the building and
the rig, minimal accommodations for 2, and, ideally, trailerability.
I know that PCB has done a few cats. Other than the Singlehander
Catamaran in BOATS WITH AN OPEN MIND, can anyone suggest any other
small cats, Bolger or otherwise?
Thanks in advance,
Matthew Long