Re: Sheet ply Chebacco - bilge panels, stem bevel
Shorty, my "construction area" is my 1-car garage, less than 3 m wide
and 7 m long...
Best, Pippo
and 7 m long...
Best, Pippo
--- In bolger@y..., Shorty@S... wrote:
> For Pippo --
> can't wait to see the pictures of your construction area.
I don't know pippo's situation, but I had my boat in the driveway for 3
days and received a notice from our local "covenant monitors".
A lady here in Houston ignored one of those notices (not for a boat,
something else), was fined, and then lost her house because she didn't
pay the fine.
On the other hand, a buddy of mine just 20 minutes away uses the
covenant warning letters to start fires in his fireplace.
For all you that can build temproary shelters, feel lucky. For Pippo --
can't wait to see the pictures of your construction area.
Shorty
days and received a notice from our local "covenant monitors".
A lady here in Houston ignored one of those notices (not for a boat,
something else), was fined, and then lost her house because she didn't
pay the fine.
On the other hand, a buddy of mine just 20 minutes away uses the
covenant warning letters to start fires in his fireplace.
For all you that can build temproary shelters, feel lucky. For Pippo --
can't wait to see the pictures of your construction area.
Shorty
> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:23:46 -0000
> From:richard@...
> Subject: Re: Sheet ply Chebacco - bilge panels, stem bevel
>
> Pippo, just out of curiosity, why don't you build a boat shed to make
> your boat in? Surely any of us boat builders could put up a decent
> temporary building. Must be building codes? Lack of yard space? Irate
> natives?
Figured it was something like that. Guess I'm spoiled with my 5 acres.
Yes, if you could email the files? I'll post them on www.chebacco.com.
My email is "richard" at "spellingbusiness" dot "com"
(to defeat yahoo!)
Thanks!
--- In bolger@y..., "Giuseppe 'Pippo' Bianco" <giuseppe.bianco@a...>
wrote:
Yes, if you could email the files? I'll post them on www.chebacco.com.
My email is "richard" at "spellingbusiness" dot "com"
(to defeat yahoo!)
Thanks!
--- In bolger@y..., "Giuseppe 'Pippo' Bianco" <giuseppe.bianco@a...>
wrote:
> Richard,common,
> here in Italy we usually can't even dream of yard space in urban
> areas (our population density is probably 5 times higher than the
> US). Most of us live in condominiums where the yard space is
> so no way. Consider that none of my friends and relative hasprivate
> yard space, as all of them, like me, live in towns. My parentsthough
> have an house with some yard space abouyt 250 km far from here...on
> Another possibility would be going somewhere else, but this would
> mean commuting, and when the available time is limited to 4 hours
> saturday mornings, one would prefer going downstairs in a fewseconds
> instead of loading the car and driving every time.decent
> About "synthetic" Chebaccos now. I do have a Chebacco .hul file, as
> well as a Hullform 6S file and a Plyboats file. The only relatively
> accurate one though is the Hullform one, because I've found no easy
> way to replicate the curved stem with the other two. Those file are
> on my PC at home, let me know if you need any of those.
> Best
>
> Pippo
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., richard@s... wrote:
> > Pippo, just out of curiosity, why don't you build a boat shed to
> make
> > your boat in? Surely any of us boat builders could put up a
> > temporary building. Must be building codes? Lack of yard space?me
> Irate
> > natives?
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., "Giuseppe 'Pippo' Bianco"
> <giuseppe.bianco@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > Chebacco builders, I'm building now a 1:12 scale Chebacco model
> > using
> > > 1 mm plywood. Using the program "Unfold", I've developed the
> > > flattened shape of the bilge panels and I'm very anxious to see
> how
> > > it fits the model. If it's ok, this would be a great bonus for
> > > because, given my tremendously cramped working space, I wouldsheet
> have
> > to
> > > pre-build everything in advance. No way to make cardboard
> patterns
> > or
> > > other such amenities.
> > > I've a question for those who have built or are building a
> > ply
> > > Chebacco: how difficult really is to wrap the bilge panels in
> > place?
> > > Did you use hot water, vapor, windlasses, or so on?
> > > Another question: how did you cut the stem bevel? Did you took
> the
> > > angle from the plans, or what?
> > > Any suggestions, warning?
> > > Thanks and best, Pippo
Thanks Jamie.
Our panels are 2' longer and 1' wider than yours. I agree that the
patterns don't take up more room than the finished panels (they'd
better be identical ;-)) however manipulating almost 5 square meters
of 12 mm plywood, i.e. almost 30 kg of weight per single sheet, is
not feasible in a cramped space. Having the bilge panels already cut
to shape, reasy to be fit on the hull, would be much better.
Best, Pippo
Our panels are 2' longer and 1' wider than yours. I agree that the
patterns don't take up more room than the finished panels (they'd
better be identical ;-)) however manipulating almost 5 square meters
of 12 mm plywood, i.e. almost 30 kg of weight per single sheet, is
not feasible in a cramped space. Having the bilge panels already cut
to shape, reasy to be fit on the hull, would be much better.
Best, Pippo
--- In bolger@y..., "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@b...> wrote:
> if you've got room to fit the finished panels, you've got plenty
room to make the patterns
Richard,
here in Italy we usually can't even dream of yard space in urban
areas (our population density is probably 5 times higher than the
US). Most of us live in condominiums where the yard space is common,
so no way. Consider that none of my friends and relative has private
yard space, as all of them, like me, live in towns. My parents though
have an house with some yard space abouyt 250 km far from here...
Another possibility would be going somewhere else, but this would
mean commuting, and when the available time is limited to 4 hours on
saturday mornings, one would prefer going downstairs in a few seconds
instead of loading the car and driving every time.
About "synthetic" Chebaccos now. I do have a Chebacco .hul file, as
well as a Hullform 6S file and a Plyboats file. The only relatively
accurate one though is the Hullform one, because I've found no easy
way to replicate the curved stem with the other two. Those file are
on my PC at home, let me know if you need any of those.
Best
Pippo
here in Italy we usually can't even dream of yard space in urban
areas (our population density is probably 5 times higher than the
US). Most of us live in condominiums where the yard space is common,
so no way. Consider that none of my friends and relative has private
yard space, as all of them, like me, live in towns. My parents though
have an house with some yard space abouyt 250 km far from here...
Another possibility would be going somewhere else, but this would
mean commuting, and when the available time is limited to 4 hours on
saturday mornings, one would prefer going downstairs in a few seconds
instead of loading the car and driving every time.
About "synthetic" Chebaccos now. I do have a Chebacco .hul file, as
well as a Hullform 6S file and a Plyboats file. The only relatively
accurate one though is the Hullform one, because I've found no easy
way to replicate the curved stem with the other two. Those file are
on my PC at home, let me know if you need any of those.
Best
Pippo
--- In bolger@y..., richard@s... wrote:
> Pippo, just out of curiosity, why don't you build a boat shed to
make
> your boat in? Surely any of us boat builders could put up a decent
> temporary building. Must be building codes? Lack of yard space?
Irate
> natives?
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "Giuseppe 'Pippo' Bianco"
<giuseppe.bianco@a...>
> wrote:
> > Chebacco builders, I'm building now a 1:12 scale Chebacco model
> using
> > 1 mm plywood. Using the program "Unfold", I've developed the
> > flattened shape of the bilge panels and I'm very anxious to see
how
> > it fits the model. If it's ok, this would be a great bonus for me
> > because, given my tremendously cramped working space, I would
have
> to
> > pre-build everything in advance. No way to make cardboard
patterns
> or
> > other such amenities.
> > I've a question for those who have built or are building a sheet
> ply
> > Chebacco: how difficult really is to wrap the bilge panels in
> place?
> > Did you use hot water, vapor, windlasses, or so on?
> > Another question: how did you cut the stem bevel? Did you took
the
> > angle from the plans, or what?
> > Any suggestions, warning?
> > Thanks and best, Pippo
Pippo, just out of curiosity, why don't you build a boat shed to make
your boat in? Surely any of us boat builders could put up a decent
temporary building. Must be building codes? Lack of yard space? Irate
natives?
--- In bolger@y..., "Giuseppe 'Pippo' Bianco" <giuseppe.bianco@a...>
wrote:
your boat in? Surely any of us boat builders could put up a decent
temporary building. Must be building codes? Lack of yard space? Irate
natives?
--- In bolger@y..., "Giuseppe 'Pippo' Bianco" <giuseppe.bianco@a...>
wrote:
> Chebacco builders, I'm building now a 1:12 scale Chebacco modelusing
> 1 mm plywood. Using the program "Unfold", I've developed theto
> flattened shape of the bilge panels and I'm very anxious to see how
> it fits the model. If it's ok, this would be a great bonus for me
> because, given my tremendously cramped working space, I would have
> pre-build everything in advance. No way to make cardboard patternsor
> other such amenities.ply
> I've a question for those who have built or are building a sheet
> Chebacco: how difficult really is to wrap the bilge panels inplace?
> Did you use hot water, vapor, windlasses, or so on?
> Another question: how did you cut the stem bevel? Did you took the
> angle from the plans, or what?
> Any suggestions, warning?
> Thanks and best, Pippo
Pippo
On the bilge panels. I found that making patterns was not a problem -- if
you've got room to fit the finished panels, you've got plenty room to make
the patterns. I used some old plywood panelling about 4 mm thick, but
cardboard or paper would work. I cut the actual bilge panels oversize, then
put them in place to mark them for final cutting. I screwed them to cleats
on the frames and moulds to make sure I could put them in the same position
again -- I probably had them on and off half a dozen times getting the fit
exact.
I used two layers of 1/4 inch (6 mm) ply instead of one layer of 1/2 inch
(12mm). This is recommended on the plans, and eliminates any bending
problem. I fitted the first layer and made the butts on the hull, then
added the second, with the joints about a foot away from those on the first
layer. On the second side I did the butts on the first layer at the bench
before I put it on the hull, but I think if space is cramped, you should do
it on the hull so you only have to fit an 8 foot panel, not a 20 footer. To
move and fit the 20 foot panel you need a helper, as it is very floppy and
awkward.
If you use two layers, it's important to get all the air out from between
them. I followed Sam Devlin's method, fastening the panels together every 8
inches. I think I've described this in Chebacco News, but if you want
details, let me know and I can send them off-list. (We're leaving for
holidays soon, so it might not be for several weeks.) I used the same
method for the curved cabin roof.
On the stem, yes, use the angles from the plans, but do it carefully, and
allow for error in marking and cutting. I marked where the bevel should
start and finish on the front and sides of the stem, ran it through a band
saw to take off most of the wood, then smoothed it with a plane. Fine
tuning was done after trying it in place.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: Giuseppe 'Pippo' Bianco [mailto:giuseppe.bianco@...]
Sent: July 30, 2001 4:24 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Sheet ply Chebacco - bilge panels, stem bevel
Chebacco builders, I'm building now a 1:12 scale Chebacco model using
1 mm plywood. Using the program "Unfold", I've developed the
flattened shape of the bilge panels and I'm very anxious to see how
it fits the model. If it's ok, this would be a great bonus for me
because, given my tremendously cramped working space, I would have to
pre-build everything in advance. No way to make cardboard patterns or
other such amenities.
I've a question for those who have built or are building a sheet ply
Chebacco: how difficult really is to wrap the bilge panels in place?
Did you use hot water, vapor, windlasses, or so on?
Another question: how did you cut the stem bevel? Did you took the
angle from the plans, or what?
Any suggestions, warning?
Thanks and best, Pippo
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On the bilge panels. I found that making patterns was not a problem -- if
you've got room to fit the finished panels, you've got plenty room to make
the patterns. I used some old plywood panelling about 4 mm thick, but
cardboard or paper would work. I cut the actual bilge panels oversize, then
put them in place to mark them for final cutting. I screwed them to cleats
on the frames and moulds to make sure I could put them in the same position
again -- I probably had them on and off half a dozen times getting the fit
exact.
I used two layers of 1/4 inch (6 mm) ply instead of one layer of 1/2 inch
(12mm). This is recommended on the plans, and eliminates any bending
problem. I fitted the first layer and made the butts on the hull, then
added the second, with the joints about a foot away from those on the first
layer. On the second side I did the butts on the first layer at the bench
before I put it on the hull, but I think if space is cramped, you should do
it on the hull so you only have to fit an 8 foot panel, not a 20 footer. To
move and fit the 20 foot panel you need a helper, as it is very floppy and
awkward.
If you use two layers, it's important to get all the air out from between
them. I followed Sam Devlin's method, fastening the panels together every 8
inches. I think I've described this in Chebacco News, but if you want
details, let me know and I can send them off-list. (We're leaving for
holidays soon, so it might not be for several weeks.) I used the same
method for the curved cabin roof.
On the stem, yes, use the angles from the plans, but do it carefully, and
allow for error in marking and cutting. I marked where the bevel should
start and finish on the front and sides of the stem, ran it through a band
saw to take off most of the wood, then smoothed it with a plane. Fine
tuning was done after trying it in place.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: Giuseppe 'Pippo' Bianco [mailto:giuseppe.bianco@...]
Sent: July 30, 2001 4:24 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Sheet ply Chebacco - bilge panels, stem bevel
Chebacco builders, I'm building now a 1:12 scale Chebacco model using
1 mm plywood. Using the program "Unfold", I've developed the
flattened shape of the bilge panels and I'm very anxious to see how
it fits the model. If it's ok, this would be a great bonus for me
because, given my tremendously cramped working space, I would have to
pre-build everything in advance. No way to make cardboard patterns or
other such amenities.
I've a question for those who have built or are building a sheet ply
Chebacco: how difficult really is to wrap the bilge panels in place?
Did you use hot water, vapor, windlasses, or so on?
Another question: how did you cut the stem bevel? Did you took the
angle from the plans, or what?
Any suggestions, warning?
Thanks and best, Pippo
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> Another question: how did you cut the stem bevel? Did you take theI think the best approach depends a little on the construction of the
> angle from the plans, or what?
stem. If you use wood with a good grain, or laminate it so that the
grain runs along the stem, then using a plane to cut the bevel should
be pretty easy. If you laminate it from plywood, or otherwise have
mixed grain, then it will be hard to plane and you will want to use a
saw to remove most of the material. Bill Sampson's instructions
(http://www.chebacco.com/)use this approach, using a bandsaw. I
found a Surform tool more effective than a plane for ply, but maybe
that is because my planes were not razor sharp.
To get the final bevel, set up the stem and frames. Take a strip of
ply about 6 inches wide and as long as possible and fasten it with
one screw to the frame farthest from the stem that it will reach.
There should be at least one intermediate frame between the
attachment an the stem. Then, when you hold the ply strip against
stem, you will see the angle required, and can finish the bevel.
At least, that is what I would try first.
Peter
Chebacco builders, I'm building now a 1:12 scale Chebacco model using
1 mm plywood. Using the program "Unfold", I've developed the
flattened shape of the bilge panels and I'm very anxious to see how
it fits the model. If it's ok, this would be a great bonus for me
because, given my tremendously cramped working space, I would have to
pre-build everything in advance. No way to make cardboard patterns or
other such amenities.
I've a question for those who have built or are building a sheet ply
Chebacco: how difficult really is to wrap the bilge panels in place?
Did you use hot water, vapor, windlasses, or so on?
Another question: how did you cut the stem bevel? Did you took the
angle from the plans, or what?
Any suggestions, warning?
Thanks and best, Pippo
1 mm plywood. Using the program "Unfold", I've developed the
flattened shape of the bilge panels and I'm very anxious to see how
it fits the model. If it's ok, this would be a great bonus for me
because, given my tremendously cramped working space, I would have to
pre-build everything in advance. No way to make cardboard patterns or
other such amenities.
I've a question for those who have built or are building a sheet ply
Chebacco: how difficult really is to wrap the bilge panels in place?
Did you use hot water, vapor, windlasses, or so on?
Another question: how did you cut the stem bevel? Did you took the
angle from the plans, or what?
Any suggestions, warning?
Thanks and best, Pippo