Re: Scow Schooner
The AS-29 was suggested as the PCB "liveaboard" design in the approx.
30 foot range. I meant to write in support of the suggestion. There is
no point in getting hung up over whether the boat has a point bow or
not. For two people willing to share the under-cockpit bed, she looks
pretty good. I do wonder about bringing the groceries down that
vertical companionway latter, though. I think that the cabin access
would bring strong negative reactions from the geriatics I sail with.
30 foot range. I meant to write in support of the suggestion. There is
no point in getting hung up over whether the boat has a point bow or
not. For two people willing to share the under-cockpit bed, she looks
pretty good. I do wonder about bringing the groceries down that
vertical companionway latter, though. I think that the cabin access
would bring strong negative reactions from the geriatics I sail with.
and don't forget the ultimate scow, the Super Brick.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chip Humphreys" <cbh303@y...> wrote:
>
> Has any one ever seen or dealt with any one building or saiing the
> Bolger 28 scow schooner. I would be very interested if any one has.
> I finally picked up BWAOM and ther are several interesting designs
but
> not a lot on the net about some of them. A search in the messages
> always results in a finding of "stearn wheeler"
>
> Any takers.
>
>
> Chip
>
Which MAIB?
HJ
pvanderwaart wrote:
HJ
pvanderwaart wrote:
>PCB did complete a liveaboard scow schooner design for an artistic
>type from the west coast. It's about 35' loa. More with the bowsprit
>and main boom overhangs, of course. She is of a two chine model, i.e.
>flat bottom and bilge panel. Most of the boat is raised deck with
>cockpit and short foredeck. The rig has a gaff fore and bermudan
>(i.e. triangular) main. When the boat was written up in MAIB, Bolger
>said the client wanted that rig, but he thought a gaff main would
>look and work better. Also that the esthetics of the cabin (e.g.
>round portholes) were to the client's taste, not his. There are
>leeboards.
>
>
Reuel Parker has a nice 33ft Cat yawl rigged scow. It looks nice and
seems to hve good versatility with regard to the cabin layout.It is
probably at the largest end of what I could afford to build financialy
and space wise. Plus let's face it, feet = $ of yearly upkeep. I woud
still like to see an image of the Bolger version of the 35ft scow if
any one has one.
My big question is where do these fall in to with regard to
construction costs. More, less or about the same as the AS29? Hmmmm!!
Chip
seems to hve good versatility with regard to the cabin layout.It is
probably at the largest end of what I could afford to build financialy
and space wise. Plus let's face it, feet = $ of yearly upkeep. I woud
still like to see an image of the Bolger version of the 35ft scow if
any one has one.
My big question is where do these fall in to with regard to
construction costs. More, less or about the same as the AS29? Hmmmm!!
Chip
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
>
>
> PCB did complete a liveaboard scow schooner design for an artistic
> type from the west coast. It's about 35' loa. More with the bowsprit
> and main boom overhangs, of course. She is of a two chine model, i.e.
> flat bottom and bilge panel. Most of the boat is raised deck with
> cockpit and short foredeck. The rig has a gaff fore and bermudan
> (i.e. triangular) main. When the boat was written up in MAIB, Bolger
> said the client wanted that rig, but he thought a gaff main would
> look and work better. Also that the esthetics of the cabin (e.g.
> round portholes) were to the client's taste, not his. There are
> leeboards.
>
> The client did not build one, but at least on other set of plans has
> been sold, IIRC.
>
> The layout features a double in the very bow. At the other end of the
> cabin, the galley is at the foot of the companionway. Inbetween are a
> dinette (just like your local diner) on starboard. Maybe a settee as
> well. The portside of the cabin was left vacant as the artist's
> studio. I think that cubbies for your crew's dunnage and a daybed
> from Ikea would go well.
>
> In the writup, PCB allows she should sail as well as, and be handy
> as, a yacht.
>
> Peter
>
PCB did complete a liveaboard scow schooner design for an artistic
type from the west coast. It's about 35' loa. More with the bowsprit
and main boom overhangs, of course. She is of a two chine model, i.e.
flat bottom and bilge panel. Most of the boat is raised deck with
cockpit and short foredeck. The rig has a gaff fore and bermudan
(i.e. triangular) main. When the boat was written up in MAIB, Bolger
said the client wanted that rig, but he thought a gaff main would
look and work better. Also that the esthetics of the cabin (e.g.
round portholes) were to the client's taste, not his. There are
leeboards.
The client did not build one, but at least on other set of plans has
been sold, IIRC.
The layout features a double in the very bow. At the other end of the
cabin, the galley is at the foot of the companionway. Inbetween are a
dinette (just like your local diner) on starboard. Maybe a settee as
well. The portside of the cabin was left vacant as the artist's
studio. I think that cubbies for your crew's dunnage and a daybed
from Ikea would go well.
In the writup, PCB allows she should sail as well as, and be handy
as, a yacht.
Peter
type from the west coast. It's about 35' loa. More with the bowsprit
and main boom overhangs, of course. She is of a two chine model, i.e.
flat bottom and bilge panel. Most of the boat is raised deck with
cockpit and short foredeck. The rig has a gaff fore and bermudan
(i.e. triangular) main. When the boat was written up in MAIB, Bolger
said the client wanted that rig, but he thought a gaff main would
look and work better. Also that the esthetics of the cabin (e.g.
round portholes) were to the client's taste, not his. There are
leeboards.
The client did not build one, but at least on other set of plans has
been sold, IIRC.
The layout features a double in the very bow. At the other end of the
cabin, the galley is at the foot of the companionway. Inbetween are a
dinette (just like your local diner) on starboard. Maybe a settee as
well. The portside of the cabin was left vacant as the artist's
studio. I think that cubbies for your crew's dunnage and a daybed
from Ikea would go well.
In the writup, PCB allows she should sail as well as, and be handy
as, a yacht.
Peter
You might find Fiji (design #662) interesting.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/database?method=reportRows&tbl=3&query=fiji
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%20BOATS/Fiji/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/database?method=reportRows&tbl=3&query=fiji
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%20BOATS/Fiji/
On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 02:19:38PM -0000, goadarama wrote:
> At the end of that chapter PB mentions he was working on a larger
> version: a sailing houseboat he termed it. Does anyone know if this
> effort ever came to fruition? We are looking for a larger scow design
> ourselves or perhaps a flat bottomed coastal junk design. Our current
> liveaboard is just too small and has too much draft. Does this jog
> anyones memory of anything in the PB catalog?
At the end of that chapter PB mentions he was working on a larger
version: a sailing houseboat he termed it. Does anyone know if this
effort ever came to fruition? We are looking for a larger scow design
ourselves or perhaps a flat bottomed coastal junk design. Our current
liveaboard is just too small and has too much draft. Does this jog
anyones memory of anything in the PB catalog?
Jim Michalak, a PB influenced boat designer (with his own website) has
a design called Deansbox which is a 15 foot scow that he says
incorporates the PB "sides match rocker" theory and, blown up double
to 30 feet could be a wonderful, liveaboard scow hull. We bought those
plans and it doubles up wonderfully without even having to move
bulkheads and such. It looks to be a sharp performer but is still a
bit small for us.
It would be nice to see what PB has come up with in this vein as well.
Any leads would be most appreciated, especially if junk rigged and
shoal draft and around 12 meters. Our current junk rigging efforts can
be seen athttp://wyldluv.tripod.com
with pix of the 37 foot plywood power "shorey" we built instant boat
style 2 years ago. PBs writings influenced us to try it instant boat
style. We sold it to a hard drinking hunter for a river hunting camp.
Bob Goad, SV Wyldluv, Panama City, Fla.
version: a sailing houseboat he termed it. Does anyone know if this
effort ever came to fruition? We are looking for a larger scow design
ourselves or perhaps a flat bottomed coastal junk design. Our current
liveaboard is just too small and has too much draft. Does this jog
anyones memory of anything in the PB catalog?
Jim Michalak, a PB influenced boat designer (with his own website) has
a design called Deansbox which is a 15 foot scow that he says
incorporates the PB "sides match rocker" theory and, blown up double
to 30 feet could be a wonderful, liveaboard scow hull. We bought those
plans and it doubles up wonderfully without even having to move
bulkheads and such. It looks to be a sharp performer but is still a
bit small for us.
It would be nice to see what PB has come up with in this vein as well.
Any leads would be most appreciated, especially if junk rigged and
shoal draft and around 12 meters. Our current junk rigging efforts can
be seen athttp://wyldluv.tripod.com
with pix of the 37 foot plywood power "shorey" we built instant boat
style 2 years ago. PBs writings influenced us to try it instant boat
style. We sold it to a hard drinking hunter for a river hunting camp.
Bob Goad, SV Wyldluv, Panama City, Fla.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chip Humphreys" <cbh303@y...> wrote:
>
> Has any one ever seen or dealt with any one building or saiing the
> Bolger 28 scow schooner. I would be very interested if any one has.
> I finally picked up BWAOM and ther are several interesting designs
but
> not a lot on the net about some of them. A search in the messages
> always results in a finding of "stearn wheeler"
>
> Any takers.
>
>
> Chip
>
Has any one ever seen or dealt with any one building or saiing the
Bolger 28 scow schooner. I would be very interested if any one has.
I finally picked up BWAOM and ther are several interesting designs but
not a lot on the net about some of them. A search in the messages
always results in a finding of "stearn wheeler"
Any takers.
Chip
Bolger 28 scow schooner. I would be very interested if any one has.
I finally picked up BWAOM and ther are several interesting designs but
not a lot on the net about some of them. A search in the messages
always results in a finding of "stearn wheeler"
Any takers.
Chip
FBBB --
In my continuing quest for the next boat, I've found myself reading
and re-reading the Scow Schooner chapter in BWOM.
The chapter has a note that the scow schooner was never built. Does
anyone know if this is still the case?
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
In my continuing quest for the next boat, I've found myself reading
and re-reading the Scow Schooner chapter in BWOM.
The chapter has a note that the scow schooner was never built. Does
anyone know if this is still the case?
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296