Re: [bolger] Re: Want a sailing dinghy with a swing-up centreboard
The Dave Carnell/Bolger Featherwind ($200 sailboat)
is a theoretically cartopable (barely) 15' flatiron
skiff to take a sunfish-type lateen rig. It is very
easy and quick to build and a good performer under
sail, and rows quite well. It has plenty of room for
two people.
Sam
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is a theoretically cartopable (barely) 15' flatiron
skiff to take a sunfish-type lateen rig. It is very
easy and quick to build and a good performer under
sail, and rows quite well. It has plenty of room for
two people.
Sam
---kb9blackwell@...wrote:
> I bulit and activly sail a cartopper here on the__________________________________________________
> hudson river. You
> can get a reasonable trip for two people rowing but
> the passenger
> needs to sit with their back to the rower, legs
> straddling the
> centerboard trunk. Not the most comfortable. To me
> this really is a
> one person boat, you can sail with two but the other
> needs to be a
> nimble sailor in any breeze at all. It's great fun
> to sail and will
> stay relativly dry in some very nasty seas that we
> get here when the
> wind and tide are running against each other ( or
> when a fleet of
> bozos in their monstorus gas gulpers go flying by at
> the speed of
> sound)
>
> It is a very pretty boat and I always get
> compliments on her looks
> and it was a lot of fun to build, a little more
> difficult I think
> than the more straight sided sharpies such as teal
> or surf. One very
> nice aspect is that it balances on my back perfectly
> and I can easily
> cartop it myself. With your head against the
> centerboard trunk and
> your back on the floor platform you can carry it
> quite a ways. I do
> now find myself though looking for a boat to build
> better suited for
> two. Any one with any suggestions there, I love the
> look of Bolgers
> Jinni but don't have any idea how well it worked out
> or how well it
> would work for two sailors.
>
> Ken
> --- In bolger@y..., stephen@p... wrote:
> > Cartopper is a nice little boat, but you should be
> aware that, as
> > designed, she can't be trimmed for rowing with two
> people (a rower
> > and a passenger). That's a dealbreaker for me, as
> my girlfriend
> would
> > not tolerate my building a boat in her backyard
> unless she could
> sit
> > in the back and read poetry aloud while I row.
> >
> > Re the swinging leeboard: some of Bolger's boats
> with a leeboard
> > (Surf and June Bug come to mind) could easily be
> rigged with a
> > swinging or kick-up leeboard in lieu of the fixed
> board shown on
> the
> > plans. There was a photo in the "launchings"
> section of Woodenboat
> > Magazine a few years back of a very nice Bolger
> Surf sitting on a
> > beach with a kickup leeboard and rudder.
> >
> > Stephen Paskey
> >
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., pvanderw@o... wrote:
> > I second the motion for Cartopper. . . . Another
> good way to go
> would
> > be with a leeboard boat with swinging boards, such
> as the Pirate
> > Racer. I would like having the center of the boat
> open for
> sprawling.
> > >
> > > Peter
>
>
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> I do now find myself though looking for a boat to build bettersuited for two.
There are a couple of gradations of size. How big are you willing to
go? Are you willing to have a boat with swinging leeboards? Shoal
keel?
a) cartop-able, row-able
tough category!
b) trailer-required, row-able
Bobcat (Tinycat)
Fancy
Harbinger
Spartina
Japanese Beach Cruiser (leeboards)
Oldshoe (shoal keel)
Sweet Pea (shoal keel)
Cynthia J. (leeboards)
c) trailer-required, too big to row far.
Sparkler
Chebacco
Micro (shoal keel)
I make no claim of completeness.
Peter
I bulit and activly sail a cartopper here on the hudson river. You
can get a reasonable trip for two people rowing but the passenger
needs to sit with their back to the rower, legs straddling the
centerboard trunk. Not the most comfortable. To me this really is a
one person boat, you can sail with two but the other needs to be a
nimble sailor in any breeze at all. It's great fun to sail and will
stay relativly dry in some very nasty seas that we get here when the
wind and tide are running against each other ( or when a fleet of
bozos in their monstorus gas gulpers go flying by at the speed of
sound)
It is a very pretty boat and I always get compliments on her looks
and it was a lot of fun to build, a little more difficult I think
than the more straight sided sharpies such as teal or surf. One very
nice aspect is that it balances on my back perfectly and I can easily
cartop it myself. With your head against the centerboard trunk and
your back on the floor platform you can carry it quite a ways. I do
now find myself though looking for a boat to build better suited for
two. Any one with any suggestions there, I love the look of Bolgers
Jinni but don't have any idea how well it worked out or how well it
would work for two sailors.
Ken
can get a reasonable trip for two people rowing but the passenger
needs to sit with their back to the rower, legs straddling the
centerboard trunk. Not the most comfortable. To me this really is a
one person boat, you can sail with two but the other needs to be a
nimble sailor in any breeze at all. It's great fun to sail and will
stay relativly dry in some very nasty seas that we get here when the
wind and tide are running against each other ( or when a fleet of
bozos in their monstorus gas gulpers go flying by at the speed of
sound)
It is a very pretty boat and I always get compliments on her looks
and it was a lot of fun to build, a little more difficult I think
than the more straight sided sharpies such as teal or surf. One very
nice aspect is that it balances on my back perfectly and I can easily
cartop it myself. With your head against the centerboard trunk and
your back on the floor platform you can carry it quite a ways. I do
now find myself though looking for a boat to build better suited for
two. Any one with any suggestions there, I love the look of Bolgers
Jinni but don't have any idea how well it worked out or how well it
would work for two sailors.
Ken
--- In bolger@y..., stephen@p... wrote:
> Cartopper is a nice little boat, but you should be aware that, as
> designed, she can't be trimmed for rowing with two people (a rower
> and a passenger). That's a dealbreaker for me, as my girlfriend
would
> not tolerate my building a boat in her backyard unless she could
sit
> in the back and read poetry aloud while I row.
>
> Re the swinging leeboard: some of Bolger's boats with a leeboard
> (Surf and June Bug come to mind) could easily be rigged with a
> swinging or kick-up leeboard in lieu of the fixed board shown on
the
> plans. There was a photo in the "launchings" section of Woodenboat
> Magazine a few years back of a very nice Bolger Surf sitting on a
> beach with a kickup leeboard and rudder.
>
> Stephen Paskey
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., pvanderw@o... wrote:
> I second the motion for Cartopper. . . . Another good way to go
would
> be with a leeboard boat with swinging boards, such as the Pirate
> Racer. I would like having the center of the boat open for
sprawling.
> >
> > Peter
Cartopper is a nice little boat, but you should be aware that, as
designed, she can't be trimmed for rowing with two people (a rower
and a passenger). That's a dealbreaker for me, as my girlfriend would
not tolerate my building a boat in her backyard unless she could sit
in the back and read poetry aloud while I row.
Re the swinging leeboard: some of Bolger's boats with a leeboard
(Surf and June Bug come to mind) could easily be rigged with a
swinging or kick-up leeboard in lieu of the fixed board shown on the
plans. There was a photo in the "launchings" section of Woodenboat
Magazine a few years back of a very nice Bolger Surf sitting on a
beach with a kickup leeboard and rudder.
Stephen Paskey
designed, she can't be trimmed for rowing with two people (a rower
and a passenger). That's a dealbreaker for me, as my girlfriend would
not tolerate my building a boat in her backyard unless she could sit
in the back and read poetry aloud while I row.
Re the swinging leeboard: some of Bolger's boats with a leeboard
(Surf and June Bug come to mind) could easily be rigged with a
swinging or kick-up leeboard in lieu of the fixed board shown on the
plans. There was a photo in the "launchings" section of Woodenboat
Magazine a few years back of a very nice Bolger Surf sitting on a
beach with a kickup leeboard and rudder.
Stephen Paskey
--- In bolger@y..., pvanderw@o... wrote:
I second the motion for Cartopper. . . . Another good way to go would
be with a leeboard boat with swinging boards, such as the Pirate
Racer. I would like having the center of the boat open for sprawling.
>
> Peter
I second the motion for Cartopper. However, there are a number of
other good sailboats that are perhaps a little out of the skiff
category such as Bobcat, Catfish and Spartina. Sparkler is bigger.
Another good way to go would be with a leeboard boat with swinging
boards, such as the Pirate Racer. I would like having the center of
the boat open for sprawling. (This is also one of the recommendations
for Cartopper, since the board is small and well forward.)
Peter
other good sailboats that are perhaps a little out of the skiff
category such as Bobcat, Catfish and Spartina. Sparkler is bigger.
Another good way to go would be with a leeboard boat with swinging
boards, such as the Pirate Racer. I would like having the center of
the boat open for sprawling. (This is also one of the recommendations
for Cartopper, since the board is small and well forward.)
Peter
--- In bolger@y..., "Derek Waters" <dgw@d...> wrote:
> Cartopper... if 11'6" is close enough.
>
>http://www.instantboats.com/cartopper.htm
>
> Plans from PB&F or Payson.
>
> cheers
> Derek
> I want to build something small to sail on a local prairie sloughwhich is pretty shallow in most parts.
One design that springs to mind is Bolger's "Sweet Pea" peapod. 15'
long by 4'4" beam, and only a 3" keel for lateral resistance -- no
centerboard or daggerboard at all. It's a very attractive design.
Boats With an Open Mind has complete buildable plans (for the keen-
eyed) on pp 42-46. Only caveat is that Bolger admits it won't sail
very well to weather, on account of the lower lateral resistance of
the keel versus a CB.
But for simple messing about -- it might be just the thing for
shallow water. He mentions "she could be shoved in the water and
underway 10 seconds after the impulse."
Other possibilities as I flip through the pages of BWAOM:
Pirate Racer (14'6" X 4'0" with leeboards)
Bobcat (12'3 X 6' w/CB-- fully explained in "Build the Instant
Catboat)
Spartina (ahh -- Spartina! 15'4" X 7'0" of lapstrake beauty -- a more
complex building job)
Also check out Jim Michalak's Mayfly (14' with pivoting leeboards),
or Wooboo, or his new prototype Vector -- which ought to give
Bolger's Gypsy a run for her money. It has a real CB.
So many boats, so little time!
Good luck choosing.
All best,
Garth
John:
Have you considered a Wharram Cat like the Hitia. These boats have no board
at all. They use their long slender hulls to generate lateral resistance.
They are fast too! Would not be a bad choice for skinny water.
Chuck
Have you considered a Wharram Cat like the Hitia. These boats have no board
at all. They use their long slender hulls to generate lateral resistance.
They are fast too! Would not be a bad choice for skinny water.
Chuck
>
> Any suggestions? Most of what I've seen of his small stuff appears to be
> the lift-it-up daggerboard. Could get tedious in our really shallow "Big
> Lake", as it's called.
>
> John
Cartopper... if 11'6" is close enough.
http://www.instantboats.com/cartopper.htm
Plans from PB&F or Payson.
cheers
Derek
http://www.instantboats.com/cartopper.htm
Plans from PB&F or Payson.
cheers
Derek
--- In bolger@y..., John Kennedy <john.kennedy@g...> wrote:
It's not a Bolger design but you might consider a Penguin. It might be
a little more complicated than a Bolger Box but they are fun and
zillions have been built by amateurs over the years. The Penguin is a
cat rig, centerboard boat around 12' designed for two (and
comfortably). Where is your local prairie slough? I have a mast, cb,
rudder, sail for a Penguin which is free for the pickup. Unfortunately
the hull is composting in the back forty but if you were really
ambitious you could use the hull for a rebuilding project. On second
thought the hull is probably beyond rebuilding economically.
Bob Chamberland
> Looking for a Bolger design with a swing-up centerboard instead of alift-up
> daggerboard, in a dinghy 12-16 feet long.which is
>
> I want to build something small to sail on a local prairie slough
> pretty shallow in most parts.to be
>
> Any suggestions? Most of what I've seen of his small stuff appears
> the lift-it-up daggerboard. Could get tedious in our really shallow"Big
> Lake", as it's called.Hi John,
It's not a Bolger design but you might consider a Penguin. It might be
a little more complicated than a Bolger Box but they are fun and
zillions have been built by amateurs over the years. The Penguin is a
cat rig, centerboard boat around 12' designed for two (and
comfortably). Where is your local prairie slough? I have a mast, cb,
rudder, sail for a Penguin which is free for the pickup. Unfortunately
the hull is composting in the back forty but if you were really
ambitious you could use the hull for a rebuilding project. On second
thought the hull is probably beyond rebuilding economically.
Bob Chamberland
Looking for a Bolger design with a swing-up centerboard instead of a lift-up
daggerboard, in a dinghy 12-16 feet long.
I want to build something small to sail on a local prairie slough which is
pretty shallow in most parts.
Any suggestions? Most of what I've seen of his small stuff appears to be
the lift-it-up daggerboard. Could get tedious in our really shallow "Big
Lake", as it's called.
daggerboard, in a dinghy 12-16 feet long.
I want to build something small to sail on a local prairie slough which is
pretty shallow in most parts.
Any suggestions? Most of what I've seen of his small stuff appears to be
the lift-it-up daggerboard. Could get tedious in our really shallow "Big
Lake", as it's called.