Re: [bolger] Mast hoops

That sounds like a good way, and would appeal to me.
Steaming and riviting would probably be just as easy,
or easier, so it shouldn't be discounted out of hand.
--- prthober <prthober@...> wrote:

<I <BR>
am thinking of laminating the hoops from long thin
strips of wood - <BR>
is there a better way

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Maybe you could cut them out of plywood and round off the edges. You would
waste a lot of plywood, though, unless you could use the offcuts as beer
coasters.

Howard


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John Leather (in The Gaff Rig Handbook) gives the traditional diameter as
being one and a quarter times the OD of the mast at the boom.
I've heard of folk using slices of plastic pipe as hoops - not very salty
but cheap and effective.

Cheers
Derek
What is the correct dimension for mast hoops in relation to mast
diameter so that they do not jam when raising or lowering the sail? I
am thinking of laminating the hoops from long thin strips of wood -
is there a better way?

Thanks,

Paul
<<(Hey, maybe we could use a septic tank to make a Brick! Hey,
ferro-cement hulls!)>>

Well, this is our version of "Junkyard Wars," isn't it??

CM

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Michalak has an essay on this, somewhere in the archives of his site,
or at least he used to. www.apci.net/~michalak
--- In bolger@y..., dcraig@w... wrote:
>snip; seems
unnecessary
> with a leg-o-mutton sprit sail on a teal.
>
> Next fat question: Is there any way to reef that kind-o-sail,
> particularly if it's polytarp? And are there any other sail designs
> for the teal?
--- In bolger@y..., <darus@v...> wrote:

> There was a web page somewhere out there by someone selling plans to
build a
> couple different boats out of PVC tubing.


Those gotta be ugly boats.


> I think the drawback of this idea is that PVC is kinda heavy.


The white stuff used for septic field drainage is probably lighter
than the black.

(Hey, maybe we could use a septic tank to make a Brick! Hey,
ferro-cement hulls!)
--- In bolger@y..., "david galvin" <porcupine@d...> wrote:
I've also seen mast hoops simply lashed to eyelets set in
the
> sail's luff, but then why use a hoop? Just lash the sail to the mast
> and save the complication and expense,

Sounds right, that's what Lincoln said in an earlier post. I
expect hoops are only necessary where you're raising and lowering the
sail with a halyard, as on a big mast on a big boat; seems unnecessary
with a leg-o-mutton sprit sail on a teal.

Next fat question: Is there any way to reef that kind-o-sail,
particularly if it's polytarp? And are there any other sail designs
for the teal?
>
> Here's a thought: How about capped and sealed PVC tubes for hard
> rigid flotation devices? For what, I don't know. Maybe a raft.
> Outriggers. Buoys. Docks. Square life preservers. I expect it's been
> done already.

There was a web page somewhere out there by someone selling plans to build a
couple different boats out of PVC tubing.

I think the drawback of this idea is that PVC is kinda heavy.
Comments below....

--- In bolger@y..., dcraig@w... wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "Harry W. James" <welshman@p...> wrote:
> > Others have discussed the fact that you probably don't need
> > mast hoops for the Teal, but I got to thinking anyway. How
> > about slicing PVC pipe in to thin circles and sanding the
> > edges, for hoops. I am sure that this is not a new idea,
> > does anybody know if it works?
>
> Sounds like a great idea, Harry. It still needs a connector
> between the ring and the sail. Maybe an S-hook?

Pert Lowell Co., Inc. (Lanes End, Newberry, MA 01950; phone:
978-462-7409; no web page or E-mail) sells these really neat little
cast bronze mast hoop fasteners. One half is sewn to the sail, the
other is screwed to the hoop, and they lock together and come apart
with a twist--very tidy and secure. They are a bit expensive, as I
recall. I've also seen mast hoops simply lashed to eyelets set in the
sail's luff, but then why use a hoop? Just lash the sail to the mast
and save the complication and expense,

david galvin
--- In bolger@y..., "Harry W. James" <welshman@p...> wrote:
> Others have discussed the fact that you probably don't need
> mast hoops for the Teal, but I got to thinking anyway. How
> about slicing PVC pipe in to thin circles and sanding the
> edges, for hoops. I am sure that this is not a new idea,
> does anybody know if it works?

Sounds like a great idea, Harry. It still needs a connector
between the ring and the sail. Maybe an S-hook?

That black rigid PVC pipe will last a long time out in the sun.
Some years ago, I made a drop-in-rack for my pick-up out of black PVC
(got my cue from those people who make lawn furniture out of it) to
carry a 17-foot wood and canvas canoe. A very light weight rack, but
strong, cost about $60 in materials and two hours work. That rack sat
in the back yard, when it wasn't in the truck, for about 7 years of
hot summers and sub-zero winters. The pipe lost its shine but didn't
seem to lose any strength - in other words it didn't crack, split or
disintegrate.

Here's a thought: How about capped and sealed PVC tubes for hard
rigid flotation devices? For what, I don't know. Maybe a raft.
Outriggers. Buoys. Docks. Square life preservers. I expect it's been
done already.

Don
This was recommended to me by a first-rate builder from the North
Fork. His work is super high-end, so I'd guess it would work fine. He
preferred the green PVC because it's UV resistant.


>Others have discussed the fact that you probably don't need
>mast hoops for the Teal, but I got to thinking anyway. How
>about slicing PVC pipe in to thin circles and sanding the
>edges, for hoops. I am sure that this is not a new idea,
>does anybody know if it works?
>
>HJ
>
>dcraig@...wrote:
>>
>> I've rowed the Teal, now that I'm rigging it to sail I'm wondering
>> what to do about mast hoops. I'm almost considering something as
>> simple as those plastic electrical ties, the kind that cops and bounty
>> hunters use to tie somebody to a car bumper. Or should I use the
>> wooden rings that drapery hangers use? Or is there something else?
>>
>> Don
>>
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Others have discussed the fact that you probably don't need
mast hoops for the Teal, but I got to thinking anyway. How
about slicing PVC pipe in to thin circles and sanding the
edges, for hoops. I am sure that this is not a new idea,
does anybody know if it works?

HJ

dcraig@...wrote:
>
> I've rowed the Teal, now that I'm rigging it to sail I'm wondering
> what to do about mast hoops. I'm almost considering something as
> simple as those plastic electrical ties, the kind that cops and bounty
> hunters use to tie somebody to a car bumper. Or should I use the
> wooden rings that drapery hangers use? Or is there something else?
>
> Don
>
> -
--- In bolger@y..., dcraig@w... wrote:
> I've rowed the Teal, now that I'm rigging it to sail I'm
wondering
> what to do about mast hoops. I'm almost considering something as
> simple as those plastic electrical ties, the kind that cops and
bounty
> hunters use to tie somebody to a car bumper. Or should I use the
> wooden rings that drapery hangers use? Or is there something else?
>
> Don

Hi Don, Hoops are not necessary and the Teal does not have halliards
for raising or lowering the rig. The sail from Mr Payson has grommets.
Merely tie the sail at the grommets to the mast; tie off with a square
knot. I used heavy twine and it works fine. Tie the knots tight, the
taper of the mast keeps the rig from sliding down. Electrical ties
would work fine except they don't untie readily.

Bob Chamberland
Are hoops necessary? Can't you just use loops of chute cord or
something. We're still using braided rope that's a bit too thick on
our Brick. If I recall, the Teal rig is like the Brick rig and doesn't
have a halyard, so there's no critical need for easy sliding.

Electrical ties sound pretty effective, actually.
--- In bolger@y..., dcraig@w... wrote:
> I've rowed the Teal, now that I'm rigging it to sail I'm
wondering
> what to do about mast hoops. I'm almost considering something as
> simple as those plastic electrical ties, the kind that cops and
bounty
> hunters use to tie somebody to a car bumper. Or should I use the
> wooden rings that drapery hangers use? Or is there something else?
>
> Don
I've rowed the Teal, now that I'm rigging it to sail I'm wondering
what to do about mast hoops. I'm almost considering something as
simple as those plastic electrical ties, the kind that cops and bounty
hunters use to tie somebody to a car bumper. Or should I use the
wooden rings that drapery hangers use? Or is there something else?

Don