RE: [bolger] Less is More
David Ryan wrote:
a little so that you are sailing slightly by the lee. The main
advantage of this technique is that it moves the center of
effort closer to your center line where it doesn't apply so
much leverage.
It probably helps to lift your board to avoid tripping. This
is especially true when gybing, but it may also help you
recover when you get thrown to weather.
You probably have a lot more experience than I have, but
these worked for me when I was stupid enough to race a
Laser on Sydney harbour in 25+ knots.
Bruce Fountain
> I tried my best, but twice (within the space of five minutes) theOne trick I learned in my Laser days is to haul in the main
> boat started to oscillate and then rolled violently to weather and
> dumped me in the drink. The first time is more or less a blur, but
> the second time I distinctly noticed the moment when the boat lurched
> to weather and I lost steerage. I was hard on the lee rail, but it
> made no difference. Wish I had a view from the shore; I could better
> figure out exactly what happened and how to better avoid it (besides
> carrying less canvas!)
a little so that you are sailing slightly by the lee. The main
advantage of this technique is that it moves the center of
effort closer to your center line where it doesn't apply so
much leverage.
It probably helps to lift your board to avoid tripping. This
is especially true when gybing, but it may also help you
recover when you get thrown to weather.
You probably have a lot more experience than I have, but
these worked for me when I was stupid enough to race a
Laser on Sydney harbour in 25+ knots.
Bruce Fountain
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
dumped mine while rowing, simply because I turned around and put my
butt too far to port (this after I had tested the boat for initial
stability and was feeling pretty confident) and over I went, in 40
feet of water 100 feet from shore (this is an Adirondack lake in
northern New York). I swam for it and got the boat in. However it
was swamped to the gunnels and no use for me to hold on to.
I envision pulling the mast out of the step and partner (I'm
wearing a flotation device), righting the boat and bailing it with a
bucket that I will keep tied to the thwart. Then I will climb back in
somehow, complete bailing the boat, and row back to shore towing the
sail and mast and boom behind me, regroup and go again. Or, I will
bail some, swim the boat to shore, empty it, row back out for my
rigging, etc., etc.
;-) BTW, the easiest way to bail the boat
My misadventures in the lil'winnie have made me a much
inspiration, having such problems.
Thanks very much David, your original letter and this followup have
been very instructional for me (as well as the postings from others).
I'm working on my rudder, leeboard, rigging now. After I get wet a
few times, I'll post my story about sailing the Teal.
Don
> My teal has no floatation. When it swamps it doesn't sink, but itMine has no flotation either - yet. A couple of weeks ago, I
> doesn't exactly float either. The only way to "recover" is to swim
> (or drift) into the beach, dump the water and start from scratch.
dumped mine while rowing, simply because I turned around and put my
butt too far to port (this after I had tested the boat for initial
stability and was feeling pretty confident) and over I went, in 40
feet of water 100 feet from shore (this is an Adirondack lake in
northern New York). I swam for it and got the boat in. However it
was swamped to the gunnels and no use for me to hold on to.
I envision pulling the mast out of the step and partner (I'm
wearing a flotation device), righting the boat and bailing it with a
bucket that I will keep tied to the thwart. Then I will climb back in
somehow, complete bailing the boat, and row back to shore towing the
sail and mast and boom behind me, regroup and go again. Or, I will
bail some, swim the boat to shore, empty it, row back out for my
rigging, etc., etc.
;-) BTW, the easiest way to bail the boat
> without going ashore is to invert it, get underneath, and then liftThis I'm going to practice in shallow water.
> and flip it right-side-up in one clean motion. I can do this in as
> much as 4 feet of water and I'm neither tall nor strong.
>Good idea, hadn't thought about the skeg.
> When the boat is dry, I can get in by going over the stern. There's
> just enough buoyancy for me to slither in without pulling the stern
> under. The skeg makes a good step.
My misadventures in the lil'winnie have made me a much
> more conservative sailor, my rule of thumb being "can I swim my wayThis is desperate stuff. I can't remember Joshua Slocum, my
> out of this mess, or at least am I willing to hang on till we fetch
> up on the lee shore?"
inspiration, having such problems.
Thanks very much David, your original letter and this followup have
been very instructional for me (as well as the postings from others).
I'm working on my rudder, leeboard, rigging now. After I get wet a
few times, I'll post my story about sailing the Teal.
Don
>dump
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> > David, as the owner of a year-old but as yet unsailed Teal, I'm
> >curious how you recover and get back in. I just know I'm gonna
> >it, and at 6'2" and 220 lbs, I don't see myself easily crawlingback
> >up over the gunnels. How do you upright a boat full of water, anda
> >15 foot sail, in a wind?the
> >
> >Don
> >
> >
> >--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >
> >> I tried my best, but twice (within the space of five minutes)
> >> boat started to oscillate and then rolled violently to weatherand
> >> dumped me in the drink. The first time is more or less a blur,but
> >like
> >
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Don -
I just came back from taking my brother-in-law out for a spin in
lil'winnie. He's about your size and the two of us were just enough
to stand up to the sailfish rig. We were driving the boat so hard, my
just repaired leeboard was flexing about 2 inches off the chine and
finally broke (for the second time in two days) under the strain.
Turns out the boat is pretty weatherly even without a leeboard. Maybe
out combined 400 lbs put the hull down so low that the boat herself
was providing the lateral resistance!
My teal has no floatation. When it swamps it doesn't sink, but it
doesn't exactly float either. The only way to "recover" is to swim
(or drift) into the beach, dump the water and start from scratch. A
lot of Lake Montauk is shallow enough that if you dive down you can
use the weight of the boat to keep your feel on the bottom while
walking it in. Much faster then trying to swim it in and a good
cardio work out too! ;-) BTW, the easiest way to bail the boat
without going ashore is to invert it, get underneath, and then lift
and flip it right-side-up in one clean motion. I can do this in as
much as 4 feet of water and I'm neither tall nor strong.
When the boat is dry, I can get in by going over the stern. There's
just enough buoyancy for me to slither in without pulling the stern
under. With two people, one can hold the rail down from outside the
boat while the other goes over the opposite side; then the person
inside the boat can counterbalance the second person climbing over
the side. The outside chines make handy (footy?) footholds. Also
pretty easy to get in by the stern with someone inside keeping their
weight towards the bow. The skeg makes a good step.
I used to sail lasers which have nearly zero consequence for being
mishandled. My misadventures in the lil'winnie have made me a much
more conservative sailor, my rule of thumb being "can I swim my way
out of this mess, or at least am I willing to hang on till we fetch
up on the lee shore?"
YIBB,
David
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
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(212) 247-0296
I just came back from taking my brother-in-law out for a spin in
lil'winnie. He's about your size and the two of us were just enough
to stand up to the sailfish rig. We were driving the boat so hard, my
just repaired leeboard was flexing about 2 inches off the chine and
finally broke (for the second time in two days) under the strain.
Turns out the boat is pretty weatherly even without a leeboard. Maybe
out combined 400 lbs put the hull down so low that the boat herself
was providing the lateral resistance!
My teal has no floatation. When it swamps it doesn't sink, but it
doesn't exactly float either. The only way to "recover" is to swim
(or drift) into the beach, dump the water and start from scratch. A
lot of Lake Montauk is shallow enough that if you dive down you can
use the weight of the boat to keep your feel on the bottom while
walking it in. Much faster then trying to swim it in and a good
cardio work out too! ;-) BTW, the easiest way to bail the boat
without going ashore is to invert it, get underneath, and then lift
and flip it right-side-up in one clean motion. I can do this in as
much as 4 feet of water and I'm neither tall nor strong.
When the boat is dry, I can get in by going over the stern. There's
just enough buoyancy for me to slither in without pulling the stern
under. With two people, one can hold the rail down from outside the
boat while the other goes over the opposite side; then the person
inside the boat can counterbalance the second person climbing over
the side. The outside chines make handy (footy?) footholds. Also
pretty easy to get in by the stern with someone inside keeping their
weight towards the bow. The skeg makes a good step.
I used to sail lasers which have nearly zero consequence for being
mishandled. My misadventures in the lil'winnie have made me a much
more conservative sailor, my rule of thumb being "can I swim my way
out of this mess, or at least am I willing to hang on till we fetch
up on the lee shore?"
YIBB,
David
> David, as the owner of a year-old but as yet unsailed Teal, I'mCRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
>curious how you recover and get back in. I just know I'm gonna dump
>it, and at 6'2" and 220 lbs, I don't see myself easily crawling back
>up over the gunnels. How do you upright a boat full of water, and a
>15 foot sail, in a wind?
>
>Don
>
>
>--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>
>> I tried my best, but twice (within the space of five minutes) the
>> boat started to oscillate and then rolled violently to weather and
>> dumped me in the drink. The first time is more or less a blur, but
>
>
>
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David, as the owner of a year-old but as yet unsailed Teal, I'm
curious how you recover and get back in. I just know I'm gonna dump
it, and at 6'2" and 220 lbs, I don't see myself easily crawling back
up over the gunnels. How do you upright a boat full of water, and a
15 foot sail, in a wind?
Don
curious how you recover and get back in. I just know I'm gonna dump
it, and at 6'2" and 220 lbs, I don't see myself easily crawling back
up over the gunnels. How do you upright a boat full of water, and a
15 foot sail, in a wind?
Don
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> I tried my best, but twice (within the space of five minutes) the
> boat started to oscillate and then rolled violently to weather and
> dumped me in the drink. The first time is more or less a blur, but
I learned another trick to use when running at speed in rough
conditions many years ago while racing a Sunfish in wild conditions
off Puerto Rico. After white-knuckling my way through the huge waves
down most of the long run, I noticed Chris Brown, a kid I'd just met
from the Virgin Islands, coming up from behind me. He looked
completely relaxed, and I noticed that the tip of his mast wasn't
moving at all--he was steady as a rock. Then I noticed his smooth
subtle pre-emptive tiller movements, and the lightbulb went on in my
head: When you feel a little roll beginning, just STEER THE HULL
BACK UNDER THE MAST. Brilliant! It's kind of like skiing, or what I
imagine being on a surfboard must be like. Very quickly you get the
rhythm of it, and learn just how much early correction is needed.
It's a great feeling.
Johannes
conditions many years ago while racing a Sunfish in wild conditions
off Puerto Rico. After white-knuckling my way through the huge waves
down most of the long run, I noticed Chris Brown, a kid I'd just met
from the Virgin Islands, coming up from behind me. He looked
completely relaxed, and I noticed that the tip of his mast wasn't
moving at all--he was steady as a rock. Then I noticed his smooth
subtle pre-emptive tiller movements, and the lightbulb went on in my
head: When you feel a little roll beginning, just STEER THE HULL
BACK UNDER THE MAST. Brilliant! It's kind of like skiing, or what I
imagine being on a surfboard must be like. Very quickly you get the
rhythm of it, and learn just how much early correction is needed.
It's a great feeling.
Johannes
Same here in CO and NE. Must be the Midwest/Western winds. They only want
to blow steady from one direction for short periods of time. To have a
steady wind to stay at a constant heel and sail trim for 15 minutes would be
a dream come true. I've heard tell it does that on the ocean, someday
maybe....
Jeff
to blow steady from one direction for short periods of time. To have a
steady wind to stay at a constant heel and sail trim for 15 minutes would be
a dream come true. I've heard tell it does that on the ocean, someday
maybe....
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: <richard@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:21 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Less is More
> --- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >
> > The point where I really wanted that cheapo poly tarp rig was on
> the
> > beat from the east side to the yacht club. Between the chop and the
> > tide and the wind, I though I was going down for sure. Imagine me
> > pearched on the weather rail, one leg outboard using the external
> > chine for purchase, still feathering the sail to keep the lee rail
> > out of the water with nearly all of my forward progress being eaten
> > up by the tide! If someone had asked me if I wanted a tow, I'd have
> > swallow my pride and said "Yes!"
> >
> You must have steadier winds than we do here in OK. I'm never able to
> hold a heel angle for more than a few seconds before the windspeed
> drops by half or shifts 50 degrees...
>
>
>
>
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--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
hold a heel angle for more than a few seconds before the windspeed
drops by half or shifts 50 degrees...
>the
> The point where I really wanted that cheapo poly tarp rig was on
> beat from the east side to the yacht club. Between the chop and theYou must have steadier winds than we do here in OK. I'm never able to
> tide and the wind, I though I was going down for sure. Imagine me
> pearched on the weather rail, one leg outboard using the external
> chine for purchase, still feathering the sail to keep the lee rail
> out of the water with nearly all of my forward progress being eaten
> up by the tide! If someone had asked me if I wanted a tow, I'd have
> swallow my pride and said "Yes!"
>
hold a heel angle for more than a few seconds before the windspeed
drops by half or shifts 50 degrees...
In my experience, "death roll" can be greatly reduced by hardening up
the vang. I suppose on a lateen the equivalent thing would be more
tension on downhaul, if there is one? Of course the Teal isn't exactly
beamy, but it does have hard bilges. You should have seen me trying to
qualify for a "helmsman" rating with a Tech dinghy (kind of round
bottomed small jib-headed cat) some years back. Lots of capsizes from
death roll. The real kicker was that a kid half my age and just over
half my weight could do it no problem.
It might also help to raise the leeboard going downwind, tho I suppose
that depends on the boat.
the vang. I suppose on a lateen the equivalent thing would be more
tension on downhaul, if there is one? Of course the Teal isn't exactly
beamy, but it does have hard bilges. You should have seen me trying to
qualify for a "helmsman" rating with a Tech dinghy (kind of round
bottomed small jib-headed cat) some years back. Lots of capsizes from
death roll. The real kicker was that a kid half my age and just over
half my weight could do it no problem.
It might also help to raise the leeboard going downwind, tho I suppose
that depends on the boat.
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>snip
> I still want to see the "death roll" from something other than a
> cockpit point of view. Very weird feeling "healing" to weather.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
Johannes --
If you look back about 2 years, you'll find a story about a day that
took my out into Block Island Sound because I didn't want to chance a
dead run with a big following sea. In the end I still had to make the
run, but was far enough off shore to make it *extremely* exciting.
Fortunately I had a 7 meter sail up, and less wind and didn't "death
roll"
In this case, I wanted to hug the shore in the hope of finding those
PFDs (1 infant/toddler, 1 child, 1 adult, and one boat cushion --
incase you find anything Peter), so I had no choice but the desperate
downwind leg! Of course I was only 75 feet off the beach, so recovery
was relatively easy.
The point where I really wanted that cheapo poly tarp rig was on the
beat from the east side to the yacht club. Between the chop and the
tide and the wind, I though I was going down for sure. Imagine me
pearched on the weather rail, one leg outboard using the external
chine for purchase, still feathering the sail to keep the lee rail
out of the water with nearly all of my forward progress being eaten
up by the tide! If someone had asked me if I wanted a tow, I'd have
swallow my pride and said "Yes!"
I still want to see the "death roll" from something other than a
cockpit point of view. Very weird feeling "healing" to weather.
YIBB,
David
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
If you look back about 2 years, you'll find a story about a day that
took my out into Block Island Sound because I didn't want to chance a
dead run with a big following sea. In the end I still had to make the
run, but was far enough off shore to make it *extremely* exciting.
Fortunately I had a 7 meter sail up, and less wind and didn't "death
roll"
In this case, I wanted to hug the shore in the hope of finding those
PFDs (1 infant/toddler, 1 child, 1 adult, and one boat cushion --
incase you find anything Peter), so I had no choice but the desperate
downwind leg! Of course I was only 75 feet off the beach, so recovery
was relatively easy.
The point where I really wanted that cheapo poly tarp rig was on the
beat from the east side to the yacht club. Between the chop and the
tide and the wind, I though I was going down for sure. Imagine me
pearched on the weather rail, one leg outboard using the external
chine for purchase, still feathering the sail to keep the lee rail
out of the water with nearly all of my forward progress being eaten
up by the tide! If someone had asked me if I wanted a tow, I'd have
swallow my pride and said "Yes!"
I still want to see the "death roll" from something other than a
cockpit point of view. Very weird feeling "healing" to weather.
YIBB,
David
>David, I'm not sure if you're looking for comments about yourCRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
>capsize, but it sounds like a case of the infamous "death roll".
>Waves can play a part too, but usually the major culprit is the top
>of the sail. Without a vang or something else to hold the boom down,
>the sail wants to develop a lot of twist when reaching or running.
>If you pay the sheet out far enough, as on a run, the boom lifts and
>the twisted upper part of the sail often goes far enough forward of
>the mast that it begins to try to push it to windward. It's common
>then for that violent oscillation to develop, heeling sharply one way
>and then the other. If that gets too exciting for you, and it will,
>quickly trim in the sail and head up onto a bit of a broad reach. In
>rough conditions, it may be prudent to avoid a dead run, and
>substitute a few broad reaching legs instead to get down wind. It'll
>still be plenty exciting, but at least there's the possibility of
>maintaining control. If it's that rough, of course, it's safer
>to "wear ship" rather than jibe when you need to change tacks. As
>far as reefing goes, I think PCB shows a boomed lateen (Sunfish-
>style) rig with a line of reef points angled up and back from the
>tack in 100 Small Boat Rigs. But the gooseneck and halyard positions
>would probably need to be shifted to make it set even reasonably
>well. To me it wouldn't be worth bothering with--I'd rather have a
>smaller cheapo Polytarp rig for taking out on those wild days. I'd
>make it a balanced lug, which doesn't need a vang, and takes a reef
>nicely if you want to make it even smaller. And I'd angle the boom
>up a little aft so it won't trip in the water when the boat rolls to
>leeward when off the wind.
>
>Johannes
>
>--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> <snip>
>> With the Summer
>> southwest wind, the first leg of the trip is dead down wind and let
>> me tell you -- that's no easy feet with that big Sunfish rig played
>> all the way out.
>> I tried my best, but twice (within the space of five minutes) the
>> boat started to oscillate and then rolled violently to weather and
>> dumped me in the drink. The first time is more or less a blur, but
>> the second time I distinctly noticed the moment when the boat
>lurched
>> to weather and I lost steerage. I was hard on the lee rail, but it
>> made no difference. Wish I had a view from the shore; I could
>better
>> figure out exactly what happened and how to better avoid it
>(besides
>> carrying less canvas!)
> <snip>>
>> I'm going to see if I can figure out a way to
>> reef that Sunfish rig down. ;-)
> <snip>
>
>
>
>
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David, I'm not sure if you're looking for comments about your
capsize, but it sounds like a case of the infamous "death roll".
Waves can play a part too, but usually the major culprit is the top
of the sail. Without a vang or something else to hold the boom down,
the sail wants to develop a lot of twist when reaching or running.
If you pay the sheet out far enough, as on a run, the boom lifts and
the twisted upper part of the sail often goes far enough forward of
the mast that it begins to try to push it to windward. It's common
then for that violent oscillation to develop, heeling sharply one way
and then the other. If that gets too exciting for you, and it will,
quickly trim in the sail and head up onto a bit of a broad reach. In
rough conditions, it may be prudent to avoid a dead run, and
substitute a few broad reaching legs instead to get down wind. It'll
still be plenty exciting, but at least there's the possibility of
maintaining control. If it's that rough, of course, it's safer
to "wear ship" rather than jibe when you need to change tacks. As
far as reefing goes, I think PCB shows a boomed lateen (Sunfish-
style) rig with a line of reef points angled up and back from the
tack in 100 Small Boat Rigs. But the gooseneck and halyard positions
would probably need to be shifted to make it set even reasonably
well. To me it wouldn't be worth bothering with--I'd rather have a
smaller cheapo Polytarp rig for taking out on those wild days. I'd
make it a balanced lug, which doesn't need a vang, and takes a reef
nicely if you want to make it even smaller. And I'd angle the boom
up a little aft so it won't trip in the water when the boat rolls to
leeward when off the wind.
Johannes
capsize, but it sounds like a case of the infamous "death roll".
Waves can play a part too, but usually the major culprit is the top
of the sail. Without a vang or something else to hold the boom down,
the sail wants to develop a lot of twist when reaching or running.
If you pay the sheet out far enough, as on a run, the boom lifts and
the twisted upper part of the sail often goes far enough forward of
the mast that it begins to try to push it to windward. It's common
then for that violent oscillation to develop, heeling sharply one way
and then the other. If that gets too exciting for you, and it will,
quickly trim in the sail and head up onto a bit of a broad reach. In
rough conditions, it may be prudent to avoid a dead run, and
substitute a few broad reaching legs instead to get down wind. It'll
still be plenty exciting, but at least there's the possibility of
maintaining control. If it's that rough, of course, it's safer
to "wear ship" rather than jibe when you need to change tacks. As
far as reefing goes, I think PCB shows a boomed lateen (Sunfish-
style) rig with a line of reef points angled up and back from the
tack in 100 Small Boat Rigs. But the gooseneck and halyard positions
would probably need to be shifted to make it set even reasonably
well. To me it wouldn't be worth bothering with--I'd rather have a
smaller cheapo Polytarp rig for taking out on those wild days. I'd
make it a balanced lug, which doesn't need a vang, and takes a reef
nicely if you want to make it even smaller. And I'd angle the boom
up a little aft so it won't trip in the water when the boat rolls to
leeward when off the wind.
Johannes
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
<snip>
> With the Summer
> southwest wind, the first leg of the trip is dead down wind and let
> me tell you -- that's no easy feet with that big Sunfish rig played
> all the way out.
> I tried my best, but twice (within the space of five minutes) the
> boat started to oscillate and then rolled violently to weather and
> dumped me in the drink. The first time is more or less a blur, but
> the second time I distinctly noticed the moment when the boat
lurched
> to weather and I lost steerage. I was hard on the lee rail, but it
> made no difference. Wish I had a view from the shore; I could
better
> figure out exactly what happened and how to better avoid it
(besides
> carrying less canvas!)
<snip>>
> I'm going to see if I can figure out a way to
> reef that Sunfish rig down. ;-)
<snip>
> I decided on a circumnavigation of Lake Montauk in the hope that aA couple of weeks ago, the day after a hard southeast wind, I found a
> couple of missing PFDs had blown off the beach (rather than being
> taken) and maybe I'd find them on the lee shore.
nice blue fender below the high tide line on a Stamford beach. I put
it in my fender locker for safety until someone claims it. I rather
thought it came from somewhere west of Montauk, e.g. Port Jeff, but
if it's yours, let me know.
Peter
Provo! Always a pleasure to read of your adventures. Sounds like a similar
adventure I had years ago sailing a Snark, one of those plastic sailboats
sold by Sears.
You helped recall the memories. Thanks
Jeff
adventure I had years ago sailing a Snark, one of those plastic sailboats
sold by Sears.
You helped recall the memories. Thanks
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 9:09 AM
Subject: [bolger] Less is More
> FBBB --
>
> Last Fall I found a Sailfish rig at the Easthampton dump and brought
> it home thinking I might mount in on some yet to be built hull. Nine
> months later, the hull is still yet to be built, but I did rig it up
> on my teal and gave it a try.
>
> I decided on a circumnavigation of Lake Montauk in the hope that a
> couple of missing PFDs had blown off the beach (rather than being
> taken) and maybe I'd find them on the lee shore. With the Summer
> southwest wind, the first leg of the trip is dead down wind and let
> me tell you -- that's no easy feet with that big Sunfish rig played
> all the way out.
>
> I tried my best, but twice (within the space of five minutes) the
> boat started to oscillate and then rolled violently to weather and
> dumped me in the drink. The first time is more or less a blur, but
> the second time I distinctly noticed the moment when the boat lurched
> to weather and I lost steerage. I was hard on the lee rail, but it
> made no difference. Wish I had a view from the shore; I could better
> figure out exactly what happened and how to better avoid it (besides
> carrying less canvas!)
>
> The end of my downwind run had me nearly into the channel where the
> wind and outgoing tide were doing their best to prevent my return
> home. The two mile fetch of the lake actually had allowed a little
> swell to develop in addition to the chop and whitecaps. I came
> close-hauled and battled wind, waves, and tide trying to get to the
> west side of the lake where the water was smoother.
>
> I nearly gave up, figuring I could beach the boat along Eastlake
> Drive and hitchhike home. But since that's exactly what was going to
> happen as soon as I swamped, I figured I'd keep sailing until I
> dumped.
>
> Somehow I made it across, finally finding smooth water and less wind
> in the lee of the Montauk Yacht Club. I tacked over and readied for
> the two mile close reach back to Southlake Beach.
>
> I drove the lil'winnie as hard as I could, one leg half-wrapped
> around the leeboard, but I couldn't quite get her on plane. The
> balance of the sail was a little off and the pufsf rounded us up,
> rather than lifting the hull on top of the water. Once I got this
> figured out, I began slacking the sheet a little gusts and the boat
> thanked me be maintaining course and speed. Water poured off the bow
> and the still square leeboard (I had just fashioned it the day before
> and in my eagerness to get on the water I hadn't taken the time to
> shape it at all,) and the stern wave was nearly even with the top
> pintle as we plowed through whitecaps. Gusts hit hard enough to
> nearly bury the lee rail and I could feel the hull flex under the
> strain, but we pressed on. As we flew through the daysailers near the
> beach, our wake had a noticeable effect, their halyards clanking as
> the bounce up and down over the wave train. Before I knew it, I was
> nearly on the beach. The leeboard mounts snapped as the board hit
> bottom, and still the we pressed on. Not wanting to lose my rudder as
> well, I bailed over the side, taking the boat with me and lifting the
> rudder clear of the sand.
>
> Today is even windier. I'm going to see if I can figure out a way to
> reef that Sunfish rig down. ;-)
>
> YIBB,
>
>
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FBBB --
Last Fall I found a Sailfish rig at the Easthampton dump and brought
it home thinking I might mount in on some yet to be built hull. Nine
months later, the hull is still yet to be built, but I did rig it up
on my teal and gave it a try.
I decided on a circumnavigation of Lake Montauk in the hope that a
couple of missing PFDs had blown off the beach (rather than being
taken) and maybe I'd find them on the lee shore. With the Summer
southwest wind, the first leg of the trip is dead down wind and let
me tell you -- that's no easy feet with that big Sunfish rig played
all the way out.
I tried my best, but twice (within the space of five minutes) the
boat started to oscillate and then rolled violently to weather and
dumped me in the drink. The first time is more or less a blur, but
the second time I distinctly noticed the moment when the boat lurched
to weather and I lost steerage. I was hard on the lee rail, but it
made no difference. Wish I had a view from the shore; I could better
figure out exactly what happened and how to better avoid it (besides
carrying less canvas!)
The end of my downwind run had me nearly into the channel where the
wind and outgoing tide were doing their best to prevent my return
home. The two mile fetch of the lake actually had allowed a little
swell to develop in addition to the chop and whitecaps. I came
close-hauled and battled wind, waves, and tide trying to get to the
west side of the lake where the water was smoother.
I nearly gave up, figuring I could beach the boat along Eastlake
Drive and hitchhike home. But since that's exactly what was going to
happen as soon as I swamped, I figured I'd keep sailing until I
dumped.
Somehow I made it across, finally finding smooth water and less wind
in the lee of the Montauk Yacht Club. I tacked over and readied for
the two mile close reach back to Southlake Beach.
I drove the lil'winnie as hard as I could, one leg half-wrapped
around the leeboard, but I couldn't quite get her on plane. The
balance of the sail was a little off and the pufsf rounded us up,
rather than lifting the hull on top of the water. Once I got this
figured out, I began slacking the sheet a little gusts and the boat
thanked me be maintaining course and speed. Water poured off the bow
and the still square leeboard (I had just fashioned it the day before
and in my eagerness to get on the water I hadn't taken the time to
shape it at all,) and the stern wave was nearly even with the top
pintle as we plowed through whitecaps. Gusts hit hard enough to
nearly bury the lee rail and I could feel the hull flex under the
strain, but we pressed on. As we flew through the daysailers near the
beach, our wake had a noticeable effect, their halyards clanking as
the bounce up and down over the wave train. Before I knew it, I was
nearly on the beach. The leeboard mounts snapped as the board hit
bottom, and still the we pressed on. Not wanting to lose my rudder as
well, I bailed over the side, taking the boat with me and lifting the
rudder clear of the sand.
Today is even windier. I'm going to see if I can figure out a way to
reef that Sunfish rig down. ;-)
YIBB,
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
Last Fall I found a Sailfish rig at the Easthampton dump and brought
it home thinking I might mount in on some yet to be built hull. Nine
months later, the hull is still yet to be built, but I did rig it up
on my teal and gave it a try.
I decided on a circumnavigation of Lake Montauk in the hope that a
couple of missing PFDs had blown off the beach (rather than being
taken) and maybe I'd find them on the lee shore. With the Summer
southwest wind, the first leg of the trip is dead down wind and let
me tell you -- that's no easy feet with that big Sunfish rig played
all the way out.
I tried my best, but twice (within the space of five minutes) the
boat started to oscillate and then rolled violently to weather and
dumped me in the drink. The first time is more or less a blur, but
the second time I distinctly noticed the moment when the boat lurched
to weather and I lost steerage. I was hard on the lee rail, but it
made no difference. Wish I had a view from the shore; I could better
figure out exactly what happened and how to better avoid it (besides
carrying less canvas!)
The end of my downwind run had me nearly into the channel where the
wind and outgoing tide were doing their best to prevent my return
home. The two mile fetch of the lake actually had allowed a little
swell to develop in addition to the chop and whitecaps. I came
close-hauled and battled wind, waves, and tide trying to get to the
west side of the lake where the water was smoother.
I nearly gave up, figuring I could beach the boat along Eastlake
Drive and hitchhike home. But since that's exactly what was going to
happen as soon as I swamped, I figured I'd keep sailing until I
dumped.
Somehow I made it across, finally finding smooth water and less wind
in the lee of the Montauk Yacht Club. I tacked over and readied for
the two mile close reach back to Southlake Beach.
I drove the lil'winnie as hard as I could, one leg half-wrapped
around the leeboard, but I couldn't quite get her on plane. The
balance of the sail was a little off and the pufsf rounded us up,
rather than lifting the hull on top of the water. Once I got this
figured out, I began slacking the sheet a little gusts and the boat
thanked me be maintaining course and speed. Water poured off the bow
and the still square leeboard (I had just fashioned it the day before
and in my eagerness to get on the water I hadn't taken the time to
shape it at all,) and the stern wave was nearly even with the top
pintle as we plowed through whitecaps. Gusts hit hard enough to
nearly bury the lee rail and I could feel the hull flex under the
strain, but we pressed on. As we flew through the daysailers near the
beach, our wake had a noticeable effect, their halyards clanking as
the bounce up and down over the wave train. Before I knew it, I was
nearly on the beach. The leeboard mounts snapped as the board hit
bottom, and still the we pressed on. Not wanting to lose my rudder as
well, I bailed over the side, taking the boat with me and lifting the
rudder clear of the sand.
Today is even windier. I'm going to see if I can figure out a way to
reef that Sunfish rig down. ;-)
YIBB,
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296