RE: [bolger] Re: Design Choice
Pete Hodges wrote:
hike out to balance the rig. It means you can take more
wind before you have to ease the main. Height helps too.
On the other hand, the light person will usually have an
advantage in very light winds.
Bruce Fountain
> Why would a light person have a problem on a breezy day? What kind ofWeight gives you a definite advantage when you need to
> problem would they have?
hike out to balance the rig. It means you can take more
wind before you have to ease the main. Height helps too.
On the other hand, the light person will usually have an
advantage in very light winds.
Bruce Fountain
I would second Cris's suggestion. You should at least take a look at
PIRATE RACER. It is #20 in BWAOM. It is 14'6" X 4'0" but has flared
topsides so is narrower on the bottom. The construction is taped seam.
The sail is a boomless lateen which avoids the risk of a child being
clobbered by the boom or a boom dragging in the water causing a
knockdown. Also, jibes would be relatively harmless. It has a fairly
large sail with one set of reef points. It uses leeboards.
The photo in the book shows three PIRATE RACERS racing. They are
attractive boats as well. The article in the book also gives rules for
"pirate racing" which are designed to make racing more fun for kids.
Vince Chew
PIRATE RACER. It is #20 in BWAOM. It is 14'6" X 4'0" but has flared
topsides so is narrower on the bottom. The construction is taped seam.
The sail is a boomless lateen which avoids the risk of a child being
clobbered by the boom or a boom dragging in the water causing a
knockdown. Also, jibes would be relatively harmless. It has a fairly
large sail with one set of reef points. It uses leeboards.
The photo in the book shows three PIRATE RACERS racing. They are
attractive boats as well. The article in the book also gives rules for
"pirate racing" which are designed to make racing more fun for kids.
Vince Chew
> What are its dimensions?It's 14'6" X 4'. That's a little bigger that the other boats you are
>
considering, Pete, but a nice boat anyhow.
You could have a speed advantage with increased weight in two ways:
1) more weight would put a boat farther down in the water, increasing the
LWL, and therefore the speed.
2) Weight of the crew in a small boat is ballast and more will let you carry
more sail, which also means more speed.
That said, since women are intrinsically more intelligent (so my wife says),
she should have no trouble overcoming the aforementioned handicaps.
The rig that joins two Bricks together is called "Mortar".
Chuck
What are its dimensions?
--- In bolger@y..., Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> Frankly, no one has suggested the one boat that Bolger
> himself designed to suit these purposes:
>
> The Pirate Racer.
>
> I like it.
Frankly, no one has suggested the one boat that Bolger
himself designed to suit these purposes:
The Pirate Racer.
I like it.
himself designed to suit these purposes:
The Pirate Racer.
I like it.
Actually, the Saturn is pretty small. It's a little tricky to do the
two boats at first, but it does work with a little fiddling and a
little patience. Easier to nest the boats after you get it figured
out, but if you already have the trailer, use it. The Saturn is good
for car topping because it's low. Much less vulnerable to wind gusts
than my old Honda wagon, tho the seating position was more comfortable
in the wagon. Also easier to lift the boats on. You could put a
Tortoise inside a Brick, I bet, and without as much fiddling.
Ok, here it is: 4 Bricks sideways on the trailer, each with a Nymph or
Tortoise inside. 8 masted schooner.
re another message from someone else:
I think that other long description on "Toad" was for an Elegant Punt,
not a Brick, tho I made the same mistake at first. I started to write
a message about how the Brick was a fine sailboat until I realized he
was talking about something else.
I MUST see that picture of the Hobie towing Toad. Already laughing.
two boats at first, but it does work with a little fiddling and a
little patience. Easier to nest the boats after you get it figured
out, but if you already have the trailer, use it. The Saturn is good
for car topping because it's low. Much less vulnerable to wind gusts
than my old Honda wagon, tho the seating position was more comfortable
in the wagon. Also easier to lift the boats on. You could put a
Tortoise inside a Brick, I bet, and without as much fiddling.
Ok, here it is: 4 Bricks sideways on the trailer, each with a Nymph or
Tortoise inside. 8 masted schooner.
re another message from someone else:
I think that other long description on "Toad" was for an Elegant Punt,
not a Brick, tho I made the same mistake at first. I started to write
a message about how the Brick was a fine sailboat until I realized he
was talking about something else.
I MUST see that picture of the Hobie towing Toad. Already laughing.
--- In bolger@y..., "Paul Lefebvre" <paul@w...> wrote:
> When you consider the size difference between you and your daughter,
another
> possibility comes to mind if you wanted to level the field a bit. At
the
> Champlain messabout, Lincoln Ross showed up with two boats stacked
on his
> car - a Nymph nestled inside a Brick. It literally looked like 'the
brick
> was the box the nymph came in' as they say; you could barely see the
nymph
> under there. No trailer needed, I think he was driving a Saturn or
something
> mid-sized, and both boats were on the roof together! Slick.
>
> Paul L.
When you consider the size difference between you and your daughter, another
possibility comes to mind if you wanted to level the field a bit. At the
Champlain messabout, Lincoln Ross showed up with two boats stacked on his
car - a Nymph nestled inside a Brick. It literally looked like 'the brick
was the box the nymph came in' as they say; you could barely see the nymph
under there. No trailer needed, I think he was driving a Saturn or something
mid-sized, and both boats were on the roof together! Slick.
Paul L.
possibility comes to mind if you wanted to level the field a bit. At the
Champlain messabout, Lincoln Ross showed up with two boats stacked on his
car - a Nymph nestled inside a Brick. It literally looked like 'the brick
was the box the nymph came in' as they say; you could barely see the nymph
under there. No trailer needed, I think he was driving a Saturn or something
mid-sized, and both boats were on the roof together! Slick.
Paul L.
Thanks for you response.
That was one of the best write ups I have seen on bricks.
Bolting bricks together does make the imagination roam.
You could easily fit four on one trailer. Great fun for the family
when used individually. Bolt them together and just imaging the look
on the captains face when his $100,000 racing sailboat got passed by
a Rube Goldberg four masted schooner.
That was one of the best write ups I have seen on bricks.
Bolting bricks together does make the imagination roam.
You could easily fit four on one trailer. Great fun for the family
when used individually. Bolt them together and just imaging the look
on the captains face when his $100,000 racing sailboat got passed by
a Rube Goldberg four masted schooner.
--- In bolger@y..., pateson@c... wrote:
> Two "Bricks" sound like a cool idea. Nice storage box.
> Bolted end to end would make nice "Cruiser"
> Bolted side to side would make great swim platform.
> But tie an top.
--- In bolger@y..., pateson@c... wrote:
> Two "Bricks" sound like a cool idea. Nice storage box.
> Bolted end to end would make nice "Cruiser"
> Bolted side to side would make great swim platform.
> But tie an top.
>
>
> It sails about as well as you would expect.
> Bolger says "It sails better than you would expect.
> Especially in light winds and and smooth water." I would
> agree with that. But I didn't expect much.
> With a theoretical hull speed of just under 4 knot,
> it doesn't take much to push it to that speed.
> After reaching hull speed it begins to make a
> huge bow wave, into which the boat sinks.
> I have sailed it in about 20knot winds and have tried to
> bear off "Hobie style," on a screaming reach, but had to
> ease off for fear of being swamped by the wave.
> I've sailed her with a "Bone in her teath" and it gets
> a little scary until you realize that your still only
> going 4 knots.
> It will not plane, regardless of how much HP you have.
> Light, it will skip across the water, but so will a rock.
> We usually use it to haul gear for our camping trips.
> It spends much of it's time being "Toad". Hence the name.
> Behind our Hobie or Rapid Robert.
> It will haul an amazing amount of stuff. I have never been
> able to put too much weight in it. I always run out of room
> befor I sink it. I usually have it loaded 4-5 feet high.
> Just have to put heavy stuff on the bottom. (Large propane
> tank, drinking water, tents, ice chests.) Sleeping bags
> are usually above shear height, and lawn chairs where they
> will fit, on top. Then the whole thing is covered with a large
> blue tarp to keep everthing dry.
> Then we try to pull it into deeper water. We sometimes have
> to unload some stuff because it is too heavy to move.
> Once in deep enough water to float we check trim, and again
> rearange things. Once trimmed, it's off across the lake at
> that predetermined 4-5 knots. It will Not go faster. Just
> makes a bigger hole, especially with 5-600 pouonds of gear.
> I've often toad it behind the Hobie 16, loaded, and I am able
> to "Fly a hull" while pulling it. Still at 4-5 knots.
> We have some very dramatic pics of Chad or me high off the
> water, "Flying". "Dramatic" until you notice the painter
> tied to the Hobie, leading back to the "Toad", 20 feet behind.
> Cool pics though. I'll see if I can find them.
>
> With the single leeboard (which Bolger says somewhere, works
> equally bad on either tack), and rudder being only about
> 4 feet apart, the helm is quite sensitive and powerful
> (until the rudder stalls), which is probably good,
> as it has almost no inherant directional stability,
> and will round up in a blink (or faster).
>
> Light breeze. Smooth water.
>
> It is much overcanvased but,the sail, rudder, and leeboard are
> Boger's standard rig for many of his small sail boats.
> I am plenty of sail downwind, but my shape does not
> make for very good upwind performance.
> I would not go to the expense, or touble to build them
> again if I were building only a "Toad", but if you intend
> to build several of his boats, they fit them all.
> The sialing gear weighs almost as much as the boat.
>
> The "Toad" is not a good sailer, but then it has None
> of the properties that would make it one.
>
> It is still our favorite boat. Fun, light (no "Ramp" required),
> carries a great load (two adults, or all your camping gear), rows
> easily, relatively "seaworthy" (if you pick your sea),
> fits in the back of a pickup, or on top of a Subaru,
> cheap to build (two days building, two sheets of 1'4"laun ply,
> and a few feet of lumber, no "glass", house paint,
> and PV pipe oars with 1/4" blades), and about
> as cute as you can make an 8'x 3 1/2' box.
> All properties I find most important in a boat.
>
> A boat that will be used.
>
> As with many of Bolger's boats, it is designed to Look easy
> to build. The shape of the sides is cut, rather than
> bent, making for some faily tight compound bends in
> chine and sheer. I laminaed two thin pieces for the
> chine, and have a light molded piece for the gunwale.
> It is rabbeted the leangth so that it covers the edge of
> the 1/4" ply sides as well as the sides. Rabbeting it
> also make it flexable enough to take the bend without steaming.
> The rest is quite simple with outside chines and frames.
> No great worry of decreased speed, but makes for good
> protection from rocks.
>
> I have two friends that wanted to build themselve boats.
> I gave them the book, and they came up with two more
> "Elegant Punts". Neither had ever built a boat, but one
> is a "Master cabinetmaker", so I guess that's really not
> an example of a "First time builder."
> Both had sailed my boat, and niether of them liked the leeboard,
> and insisted, against my warnings, on putting in dagger boards.
> They both leaked, and continued to leak for the lives of the
> boats, which was not long, as both left their boats out
> in the weather, and both are now piles of delalminated luan.
>
> "Don't put holes in boats."
>
> Mine is over twenty years old and still in great shape,
> resting under my shop when not needed.
>
>
> Pat Patteson
> Molalla, Oregon
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "Pete Hodges" <petehodges@y...> wrote:
> > Please expand on the
> >
> > "(Don't bother with the sail rig, it's not worth it.)"
> >
> > Comment about the Elegant Punt.
I had not considered my daughters size and how it would effect the
way the boat sails.
She is about 90 pounds. I on the other hand hang out at about 200.
Part of the idea is to have matching boats so it is an even race.
Actually, if my additional weight gave her an advantage that would be
fine with me.
Why would a light person have a problem on a breezy day? What kind of
problem would they have?
Has anyone sailed a tortise? How do they do?
As far as rowing a brick goes, they will probably end up with an
electric motor on them. It all depends on how much we end up using
them.
My primary interest is in sailing rather than rowing.
way the boat sails.
She is about 90 pounds. I on the other hand hang out at about 200.
Part of the idea is to have matching boats so it is an even race.
Actually, if my additional weight gave her an advantage that would be
fine with me.
Why would a light person have a problem on a breezy day? What kind of
problem would they have?
Has anyone sailed a tortise? How do they do?
As far as rowing a brick goes, they will probably end up with an
electric motor on them. It all depends on how much we end up using
them.
My primary interest is in sailing rather than rowing.
--- In bolger@y..., "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@m...> wrote:
> Nymph is slow, but easy and pleasant to row. Don't know how it
sails.
>
> Brick is awfully large for one person, believe it or not, tho quite
> manageable. Not sure about how a 12 year old in a breez would do,
tho
> probably ok since it's so wide, even though it has a relatively
large
> rig. Brick sails well, but it's a bit awkward to row long
distances,
> compared to a real row boat. How about 2 Tortoises? They should be
> closer to the capacity you need. I wonder if they wouldn't be
easier
> to row with the lower freeboard.
>
> The June Bug has the same rig as the Brick, which is pretty large.
THe
> June Bug is much narrower, and carries less of her displacement
> outboard than the Brick does. Depending on how tall and/or heavy
your
> daughter is, she might have a problem. I haven't sailed the June
Bug,
> but I am imagining that for a light person on a breezy day it might
be
> a problem.
>
> From what you said, I am now imagining 3 Bricks sideways on the
same
> trailer! (or maybe 4 Nymphs)
>
> Your considerations of buoyancy and getting back on board are
> justified if you are going more than a little ways from shore or in
> cold water. I have some frightening memories of an incident in a
boat
> with minimal floatation. Have you seen the essays in the archives
on
> Michalaks site? (www.apci.net/~michalak) (NOT .com, but
rather .net)
> My ideas about floatation involve air tanks made partly from
aircraft
> fabric instead of all plywood in order to save weight, and fun
noodles
> or whatever those swim toys are called lashed inside the boat.
Two "Bricks" sound like a cool idea. Nice storage box.
Bolted end to end would make nice "Cruiser"
Bolted side to side would make great swim platform.
But tie an top.
It sails about as well as you would expect.
Bolger says "It sails better than you would expect.
Especially in light winds and and smooth water." I would
agree with that. But I didn't expect much.
With a theoretical hull speed of just under 4 knot,
it doesn't take much to push it to that speed.
After reaching hull speed it begins to make a
huge bow wave, into which the boat sinks.
I have sailed it in about 20knot winds and have tried to
bear off "Hobie style," on a screaming reach, but had to
ease off for fear of being swamped by the wave.
I've sailed her with a "Bone in her teath" and it gets
a little scary until you realize that your still only
going 4 knots.
It will not plane, regardless of how much HP you have.
Light, it will skip across the water, but so will a rock.
We usually use it to haul gear for our camping trips.
It spends much of it's time being "Toad". Hence the name.
Behind our Hobie or Rapid Robert.
It will haul an amazing amount of stuff. I have never been
able to put too much weight in it. I always run out of room
befor I sink it. I usually have it loaded 4-5 feet high.
Just have to put heavy stuff on the bottom. (Large propane
tank, drinking water, tents, ice chests.) Sleeping bags
are usually above shear height, and lawn chairs where they
will fit, on top. Then the whole thing is covered with a large
blue tarp to keep everthing dry.
Then we try to pull it into deeper water. We sometimes have
to unload some stuff because it is too heavy to move.
Once in deep enough water to float we check trim, and again
rearange things. Once trimmed, it's off across the lake at
that predetermined 4-5 knots. It will Not go faster. Just
makes a bigger hole, especially with 5-600 pouonds of gear.
I've often toad it behind the Hobie 16, loaded, and I am able
to "Fly a hull" while pulling it. Still at 4-5 knots.
We have some very dramatic pics of Chad or me high off the
water, "Flying". "Dramatic" until you notice the painter
tied to the Hobie, leading back to the "Toad", 20 feet behind.
Cool pics though. I'll see if I can find them.
With the single leeboard (which Bolger says somewhere, works
equally bad on either tack), and rudder being only about
4 feet apart, the helm is quite sensitive and powerful
(until the rudder stalls), which is probably good,
as it has almost no inherant directional stability,
and will round up in a blink (or faster).
Light breeze. Smooth water.
It is much overcanvased but,the sail, rudder, and leeboard are
Boger's standard rig for many of his small sail boats.
I am plenty of sail downwind, but my shape does not
make for very good upwind performance.
I would not go to the expense, or touble to build them
again if I were building only a "Toad", but if you intend
to build several of his boats, they fit them all.
The sialing gear weighs almost as much as the boat.
The "Toad" is not a good sailer, but then it has None
of the properties that would make it one.
It is still our favorite boat. Fun, light (no "Ramp" required),
carries a great load (two adults, or all your camping gear), rows
easily, relatively "seaworthy" (if you pick your sea),
fits in the back of a pickup, or on top of a Subaru,
cheap to build (two days building, two sheets of 1'4"laun ply,
and a few feet of lumber, no "glass", house paint,
and PV pipe oars with 1/4" blades), and about
as cute as you can make an 8'x 3 1/2' box.
All properties I find most important in a boat.
A boat that will be used.
As with many of Bolger's boats, it is designed to Look easy
to build. The shape of the sides is cut, rather than
bent, making for some faily tight compound bends in
chine and sheer. I laminaed two thin pieces for the
chine, and have a light molded piece for the gunwale.
It is rabbeted the leangth so that it covers the edge of
the 1/4" ply sides as well as the sides. Rabbeting it
also make it flexable enough to take the bend without steaming.
The rest is quite simple with outside chines and frames.
No great worry of decreased speed, but makes for good
protection from rocks.
I have two friends that wanted to build themselve boats.
I gave them the book, and they came up with two more
"Elegant Punts". Neither had ever built a boat, but one
is a "Master cabinetmaker", so I guess that's really not
an example of a "First time builder."
Both had sailed my boat, and niether of them liked the leeboard,
and insisted, against my warnings, on putting in dagger boards.
They both leaked, and continued to leak for the lives of the
boats, which was not long, as both left their boats out
in the weather, and both are now piles of delalminated luan.
"Don't put holes in boats."
Mine is over twenty years old and still in great shape,
resting under my shop when not needed.
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
Bolted end to end would make nice "Cruiser"
Bolted side to side would make great swim platform.
But tie an top.
It sails about as well as you would expect.
Bolger says "It sails better than you would expect.
Especially in light winds and and smooth water." I would
agree with that. But I didn't expect much.
With a theoretical hull speed of just under 4 knot,
it doesn't take much to push it to that speed.
After reaching hull speed it begins to make a
huge bow wave, into which the boat sinks.
I have sailed it in about 20knot winds and have tried to
bear off "Hobie style," on a screaming reach, but had to
ease off for fear of being swamped by the wave.
I've sailed her with a "Bone in her teath" and it gets
a little scary until you realize that your still only
going 4 knots.
It will not plane, regardless of how much HP you have.
Light, it will skip across the water, but so will a rock.
We usually use it to haul gear for our camping trips.
It spends much of it's time being "Toad". Hence the name.
Behind our Hobie or Rapid Robert.
It will haul an amazing amount of stuff. I have never been
able to put too much weight in it. I always run out of room
befor I sink it. I usually have it loaded 4-5 feet high.
Just have to put heavy stuff on the bottom. (Large propane
tank, drinking water, tents, ice chests.) Sleeping bags
are usually above shear height, and lawn chairs where they
will fit, on top. Then the whole thing is covered with a large
blue tarp to keep everthing dry.
Then we try to pull it into deeper water. We sometimes have
to unload some stuff because it is too heavy to move.
Once in deep enough water to float we check trim, and again
rearange things. Once trimmed, it's off across the lake at
that predetermined 4-5 knots. It will Not go faster. Just
makes a bigger hole, especially with 5-600 pouonds of gear.
I've often toad it behind the Hobie 16, loaded, and I am able
to "Fly a hull" while pulling it. Still at 4-5 knots.
We have some very dramatic pics of Chad or me high off the
water, "Flying". "Dramatic" until you notice the painter
tied to the Hobie, leading back to the "Toad", 20 feet behind.
Cool pics though. I'll see if I can find them.
With the single leeboard (which Bolger says somewhere, works
equally bad on either tack), and rudder being only about
4 feet apart, the helm is quite sensitive and powerful
(until the rudder stalls), which is probably good,
as it has almost no inherant directional stability,
and will round up in a blink (or faster).
Light breeze. Smooth water.
It is much overcanvased but,the sail, rudder, and leeboard are
Boger's standard rig for many of his small sail boats.
I am plenty of sail downwind, but my shape does not
make for very good upwind performance.
I would not go to the expense, or touble to build them
again if I were building only a "Toad", but if you intend
to build several of his boats, they fit them all.
The sialing gear weighs almost as much as the boat.
The "Toad" is not a good sailer, but then it has None
of the properties that would make it one.
It is still our favorite boat. Fun, light (no "Ramp" required),
carries a great load (two adults, or all your camping gear), rows
easily, relatively "seaworthy" (if you pick your sea),
fits in the back of a pickup, or on top of a Subaru,
cheap to build (two days building, two sheets of 1'4"laun ply,
and a few feet of lumber, no "glass", house paint,
and PV pipe oars with 1/4" blades), and about
as cute as you can make an 8'x 3 1/2' box.
All properties I find most important in a boat.
A boat that will be used.
As with many of Bolger's boats, it is designed to Look easy
to build. The shape of the sides is cut, rather than
bent, making for some faily tight compound bends in
chine and sheer. I laminaed two thin pieces for the
chine, and have a light molded piece for the gunwale.
It is rabbeted the leangth so that it covers the edge of
the 1/4" ply sides as well as the sides. Rabbeting it
also make it flexable enough to take the bend without steaming.
The rest is quite simple with outside chines and frames.
No great worry of decreased speed, but makes for good
protection from rocks.
I have two friends that wanted to build themselve boats.
I gave them the book, and they came up with two more
"Elegant Punts". Neither had ever built a boat, but one
is a "Master cabinetmaker", so I guess that's really not
an example of a "First time builder."
Both had sailed my boat, and niether of them liked the leeboard,
and insisted, against my warnings, on putting in dagger boards.
They both leaked, and continued to leak for the lives of the
boats, which was not long, as both left their boats out
in the weather, and both are now piles of delalminated luan.
"Don't put holes in boats."
Mine is over twenty years old and still in great shape,
resting under my shop when not needed.
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
--- In bolger@y..., "Pete Hodges" <petehodges@y...> wrote:
> Please expand on the
>
> "(Don't bother with the sail rig, it's not worth it.)"
>
> Comment about the Elegant Punt.
Nymph is slow, but easy and pleasant to row. Don't know how it sails.
Brick is awfully large for one person, believe it or not, tho quite
manageable. Not sure about how a 12 year old in a breez would do, tho
probably ok since it's so wide, even though it has a relatively large
rig. Brick sails well, but it's a bit awkward to row long distances,
compared to a real row boat. How about 2 Tortoises? They should be
closer to the capacity you need. I wonder if they wouldn't be easier
to row with the lower freeboard.
The June Bug has the same rig as the Brick, which is pretty large. THe
June Bug is much narrower, and carries less of her displacement
outboard than the Brick does. Depending on how tall and/or heavy your
daughter is, she might have a problem. I haven't sailed the June Bug,
but I am imagining that for a light person on a breezy day it might be
a problem.
From what you said, I am now imagining 3 Bricks sideways on the same
trailer! (or maybe 4 Nymphs)
Your considerations of buoyancy and getting back on board are
justified if you are going more than a little ways from shore or in
cold water. I have some frightening memories of an incident in a boat
with minimal floatation. Have you seen the essays in the archives on
Michalaks site? (www.apci.net/~michalak) (NOT .com, but rather .net)
My ideas about floatation involve air tanks made partly from aircraft
fabric instead of all plywood in order to save weight, and fun noodles
or whatever those swim toys are called lashed inside the boat.
Brick is awfully large for one person, believe it or not, tho quite
manageable. Not sure about how a 12 year old in a breez would do, tho
probably ok since it's so wide, even though it has a relatively large
rig. Brick sails well, but it's a bit awkward to row long distances,
compared to a real row boat. How about 2 Tortoises? They should be
closer to the capacity you need. I wonder if they wouldn't be easier
to row with the lower freeboard.
The June Bug has the same rig as the Brick, which is pretty large. THe
June Bug is much narrower, and carries less of her displacement
outboard than the Brick does. Depending on how tall and/or heavy your
daughter is, she might have a problem. I haven't sailed the June Bug,
but I am imagining that for a light person on a breezy day it might be
a problem.
From what you said, I am now imagining 3 Bricks sideways on the same
trailer! (or maybe 4 Nymphs)
Your considerations of buoyancy and getting back on board are
justified if you are going more than a little ways from shore or in
cold water. I have some frightening memories of an incident in a boat
with minimal floatation. Have you seen the essays in the archives on
Michalaks site? (www.apci.net/~michalak) (NOT .com, but rather .net)
My ideas about floatation involve air tanks made partly from aircraft
fabric instead of all plywood in order to save weight, and fun noodles
or whatever those swim toys are called lashed inside the boat.
--- In bolger@y..., Pete Hodges <petehodges@y...> wrote:
> I have a 12 year old daughter and we have decided make
> a couple of boats that we can use to explore the
> Florida Intercoastal and race each other with.
>
> For the ease of towing I want both of the boats to fit
> on one trailer. I may fit the both of them with an
> electric trolling motor at a later time. What I have
> come down to is a brick, Elegant Punt, the Nymph, the
> June Bug. All four of these desigins would fit fine
> side by side on an 8' wide trailer. Three of them
> would work end to end on the same trailer
>
> I have read quite a bit on this board and the web
> about Bricks, Punts, Nymphs. I have not see much info
> on the June Bug. The length of the June Bug makes me
> think it would be by far the faster of the three.
>
> I would be interested in guidance on performance, ease
> of climbing aboard from the water, ease of righting if
> knocked down. I would probably be putting extra
> floataion in any of these designs.
>
> Most of the sailing would be on the intercoastal or
> lakes. I can also imagine occassionally taking off
> into the ocean for a few hours if the wind and the
> weather felt right.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
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Please expand on the
"(Don't bother with the sail rig, it's not worth it.)"
Comment about the Elegant Punt.
"(Don't bother with the sail rig, it's not worth it.)"
Comment about the Elegant Punt.
June Bug is a great boat - very stable, but also fast under oars.
You can put your weight right at the edge without tipping her over
(unlike Nymph, say).
Mine weighed in at just over 100 pounds (103, if I remember right?).
Haven't sailed her, though, but Phil Bolger says she's a 'spirited'
sailer. She should be - being pretty much like a Laser Radial in
terms of length and sail area.
You might also want to look at Chuck Merrell's pram dinghies - 3
different lengths from 6' to 10'. See www.boatdesign.com . I'm
building his 10 footer at the moment.
Bill Samson
You can put your weight right at the edge without tipping her over
(unlike Nymph, say).
Mine weighed in at just over 100 pounds (103, if I remember right?).
Haven't sailed her, though, but Phil Bolger says she's a 'spirited'
sailer. She should be - being pretty much like a Laser Radial in
terms of length and sail area.
You might also want to look at Chuck Merrell's pram dinghies - 3
different lengths from 6' to 10'. See www.boatdesign.com . I'm
building his 10 footer at the moment.
Bill Samson
--- In bolger@y..., Pete Hodges <petehodges@y...> wrote:
> I have a 12 year old daughter and we have decided make
> a couple of boats that we can use to explore the
> Florida Intercoastal and race each other with.
>
> For the ease of towing I want both of the boats to fit
> on one trailer. I may fit the both of them with an
> electric trolling motor at a later time. What I have
> come down to is a brick, Elegant Punt, the Nymph, the
> June Bug. All four of these desigins would fit fine
> side by side on an 8' wide trailer. Three of them
> would work end to end on the same trailer
>
> I have read quite a bit on this board and the web
> about Bricks, Punts, Nymphs. I have not see much info
> on the June Bug. The length of the June Bug makes me
> think it would be by far the faster of the three.
>
> I would be interested in guidance on performance, ease
> of climbing aboard from the water, ease of righting if
> knocked down. I would probably be putting extra
> floataion in any of these designs.
>
> Most of the sailing would be on the intercoastal or
> lakes. I can also imagine occassionally taking off
> into the ocean for a few hours if the wind and the
> weather felt right.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
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In Boats With A Open Mind there is a picture of picture of two bricks
that had a frame holding them together end to end so they sailed as
ketch with the additional speed because of the additional waterline.
I like your trailer idea.
that had a frame holding them together end to end so they sailed as
ketch with the additional speed because of the additional waterline.
I like your trailer idea.
--- In bolger@y..., sharpd@w... wrote:
> I have been thinking about two Bricks with a quick disconnect hinge
> at the stern. On the trailer use it as closable/lockable storage
> for camping gear, luggage, etc... and when you get where you are
> going you have the equipment for your own personal regatta.
Sorry, I have not build a "June Bug", but.
The "Elegant Punt" is an excelent "Kids boat".
Many kids (and adults) have learned to row in mine.
(Don't bother with the sail rig, it's not worth it.)
It holds 2 kids nicely, and is very easy to row from
either sitting position, so they can take turns.
(Do build with fore and aft thwart. Very vesatile seating.)
It is very light weight so kids can easily drag it up on a beach.
And, being square, it is easy to get into and out of on the beach.
(Teach the to come in stern first, and they can just step out.
It has been used as a "Pool" (filled with water) and a
"Water Slide" (turned over), and makes a pretty good table
upside down.
Most of all it is "Fun" for kids.
"Can we take the 'Toad'? We've got our life jackets." was the
question most heard on camping trips. (See "Toad" file section.)
They almost always came back with stories of adventure.
Only "Lost" two girls, who found that rowing downwind was
quite easy, and found themselves on a lee shore, and decided
it would be easier just to wait for someone to come and get them.
Sounds like a great time.
Have Fun
Enjoy
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
The "Elegant Punt" is an excelent "Kids boat".
Many kids (and adults) have learned to row in mine.
(Don't bother with the sail rig, it's not worth it.)
It holds 2 kids nicely, and is very easy to row from
either sitting position, so they can take turns.
(Do build with fore and aft thwart. Very vesatile seating.)
It is very light weight so kids can easily drag it up on a beach.
And, being square, it is easy to get into and out of on the beach.
(Teach the to come in stern first, and they can just step out.
It has been used as a "Pool" (filled with water) and a
"Water Slide" (turned over), and makes a pretty good table
upside down.
Most of all it is "Fun" for kids.
"Can we take the 'Toad'? We've got our life jackets." was the
question most heard on camping trips. (See "Toad" file section.)
They almost always came back with stories of adventure.
Only "Lost" two girls, who found that rowing downwind was
quite easy, and found themselves on a lee shore, and decided
it would be easier just to wait for someone to come and get them.
Sounds like a great time.
Have Fun
Enjoy
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
--- In bolger@y..., Pete Hodges <petehodges@y...> wrote:
> I have a 12 year old daughter and we have decided make
> a couple of boats that we can use to explore the
> Florida Intercoastal and race each other with.
>
> For the ease of towing I want both of the boats to fit
> on one trailer. I may fit the both of them with an
> electric trolling motor at a later time. What I have
> come down to is a brick, Elegant Punt, the Nymph, the
> June Bug. All four of these desigins would fit fine
> side by side on an 8' wide trailer. Three of them
> would work end to end on the same trailer
>
> I have read quite a bit on this board and the web
> about Bricks, Punts, Nymphs. I have not see much info
> on the June Bug. The length of the June Bug makes me
> think it would be by far the faster of the three.
>
> I would be interested in guidance on performance, ease
> of climbing aboard from the water, ease of righting if
> knocked down. I would probably be putting extra
> floataion in any of these designs.
>
> Most of the sailing would be on the intercoastal or
> lakes. I can also imagine occassionally taking off
> into the ocean for a few hours if the wind and the
> weather felt right.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
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I have been thinking about two Bricks with a quick disconnect hinge
at the stern. On the trailer use it as closable/lockable storage
for camping gear, luggage, etc... and when you get where you are
going you have the equipment for your own personal regatta.
at the stern. On the trailer use it as closable/lockable storage
for camping gear, luggage, etc... and when you get where you are
going you have the equipment for your own personal regatta.
I have a 12 year old daughter and we have decided make
a couple of boats that we can use to explore the
Florida Intercoastal and race each other with.
For the ease of towing I want both of the boats to fit
on one trailer. I may fit the both of them with an
electric trolling motor at a later time. What I have
come down to is a brick, Elegant Punt, the Nymph, the
June Bug. All four of these desigins would fit fine
side by side on an 8' wide trailer. Three of them
would work end to end on the same trailer
I have read quite a bit on this board and the web
about Bricks, Punts, Nymphs. I have not see much info
on the June Bug. The length of the June Bug makes me
think it would be by far the faster of the three.
I would be interested in guidance on performance, ease
of climbing aboard from the water, ease of righting if
knocked down. I would probably be putting extra
floataion in any of these designs.
Most of the sailing would be on the intercoastal or
lakes. I can also imagine occassionally taking off
into the ocean for a few hours if the wind and the
weather felt right.
Thanks for any help.
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a couple of boats that we can use to explore the
Florida Intercoastal and race each other with.
For the ease of towing I want both of the boats to fit
on one trailer. I may fit the both of them with an
electric trolling motor at a later time. What I have
come down to is a brick, Elegant Punt, the Nymph, the
June Bug. All four of these desigins would fit fine
side by side on an 8' wide trailer. Three of them
would work end to end on the same trailer
I have read quite a bit on this board and the web
about Bricks, Punts, Nymphs. I have not see much info
on the June Bug. The length of the June Bug makes me
think it would be by far the faster of the three.
I would be interested in guidance on performance, ease
of climbing aboard from the water, ease of righting if
knocked down. I would probably be putting extra
floataion in any of these designs.
Most of the sailing would be on the intercoastal or
lakes. I can also imagine occassionally taking off
into the ocean for a few hours if the wind and the
weather felt right.
Thanks for any help.
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