Re: [bolger] Re: Design choice --BW?
Those who drink large quanities of BEER seldom are bitten by bugs. Seems they dont like the yeast.(silly bugs). anyway, it's worked for me for yrs. Cant remember the last time I was bitten by a bug.
Dave
Dave
--- On Fri, 2/27/09, eohiggins <eohiggins@...> wrote:
From: eohiggins <eohiggins@...>
Subject: [bolger] Re: Design choice --BW?
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 10:06 AM
Darrell:
I promise this is my last contribution on sandflies. The Kiwis claim that eating Vegamite
will give you immunity from sandflies because of the vitamin B content.
Our non-Kiwi doctor friend agrees but says the best way to use Vegamite is to coat it
thickly on exposed surfaces of the skin.
Don't think he likes Vegamite.
Eric
--- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@.. .> wrote:
>
> Hello Eric
> Those S/F out west are pretty big and the bites itch
> pretty bad for 2-3 weeks but you develop an immunity to them after a
> fortnight and you lose it if your away from them for as little as a
> week. We used to light wet bales of hay and let them smoulder to make
> smoke for the stock to hang in, otherwise you'd lose them.
> Ears ,nose, throat, any bare area including their ring would be
> completely covered.Whichever the stock and roos could die in their
> thousands. Nasty animals.
> Thanks - Darrell
>
>
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I would say that eating vegamite or getting bit by sandflies is a pretty
tough choice.
HJ
eohiggins wrote:
tough choice.
HJ
eohiggins wrote:
> Darrell:
> I promise this is my last contribution on sandflies. The Kiwis claim that eating Vegamite
> will give you immunity from sandflies because of the vitamin B content.
> Our non-Kiwi doctor friend agrees but says the best way to use Vegamite is to coat it
> thickly on exposed surfaces of the skin.
> Don't think he likes Vegamite.
> Eric
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@...> wrote:
>
>> Hello Eric
>> Those S/F out west are pretty big and the bites itch
>> pretty bad for 2-3 weeks but you develop an immunity to them after a
>> fortnight and you lose it if your away from them for as little as a
>> week. We used to light wet bales of hay and let them smoulder to make
>> smoke for the stock to hang in, otherwise you'd lose them.
>> Ears ,nose, throat, any bare area including their ring would be
>> completely covered.Whichever the stock and roos could die in their
>> thousands. Nasty animals.
>> Thanks - Darrell
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Darrell:
I promise this is my last contribution on sandflies. The Kiwis claim that eating Vegamite
will give you immunity from sandflies because of the vitamin B content.
Our non-Kiwi doctor friend agrees but says the best way to use Vegamite is to coat it
thickly on exposed surfaces of the skin.
Don't think he likes Vegamite.
Eric
I promise this is my last contribution on sandflies. The Kiwis claim that eating Vegamite
will give you immunity from sandflies because of the vitamin B content.
Our non-Kiwi doctor friend agrees but says the best way to use Vegamite is to coat it
thickly on exposed surfaces of the skin.
Don't think he likes Vegamite.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Eric
> Those S/F out west are pretty big and the bites itch
> pretty bad for 2-3 weeks but you develop an immunity to them after a
> fortnight and you lose it if your away from them for as little as a
> week. We used to light wet bales of hay and let them smoulder to make
> smoke for the stock to hang in, otherwise you'd lose them.
> Ears ,nose, throat, any bare area including their ring would be
> completely covered.Whichever the stock and roos could die in their
> thousands. Nasty animals.
> Thanks - Darrell
>
>
Hello John
Whoa pull up, you've won me over, along with Bob and others.
Is the Bantam extension in files yours, the one that looks like a
beaut water ute. This is all good stuff. You don't sell Yamaha do you.
All these mods and OK'd by the man (Bolger) and make it work.
Thanks -Darrell
Whoa pull up, you've won me over, along with Bob and others.
Is the Bantam extension in files yours, the one that looks like a
beaut water ute. This is all good stuff. You don't sell Yamaha do you.
All these mods and OK'd by the man (Bolger) and make it work.
Thanks -Darrell
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captjbturtle" <captjbturtle@...> wrote:
>
> hi guys, In regard to Bantam mileage, I use a 2000, yamaha 9.9 4
> stroke, not the high thrust. power is very adequate. we usuaqlly
> cruise at 2,500 to 3,000 rpm on the tac h. thats a very pleasant
> guessing 6 or 7. the top end is not much faster. but where she shines
> is m,otoring in 11 inches slowly over the soft bottom in fl and in
> just 9 inches wth the honda 2 auxilary , also surprisingly adequate
> get home power. The mileage however is astounding.I get in
> the high teens. Very high teens.Some of this is no doubt the eficient
> motorbut perhaps partly from transformation of the underwater lines.
> When i was contemplating stretching her because of speed limited by
> the motor and short planing length i taqlked to Mr Bolger. Ny idea
> was to rocker the bottom extension aft for a cleaner run.The rear
> transom used to be immersed about 6 or 7 inches and sucked a wave
> when i tried to go fast. Bolger drew a rockered addition which I drew
> out to 6 feet and ended at the water surface. Fairly simple to do and
> gives me a 26 foot long waterline and a clean run aft. a 4 foot
> longer cabin and also huge afterdeck. now maybe speed is limited by
> the limited power but very happy with the performance. I built her
> lightly and underdeck clearance is about 5 inches with no double
> bottom. She has gone from Fort Pierce to Key West, Fort Myers then
> back across the Okeechobee waterway twice, about a 700 mile round
> trip with some rough chop on Lake Okeechobee and boat wakes here in
> Fl with no structural problems so far, but not aqn offshore boat
> though she does have 5 seperate sealed hull compartmlnts.She is in
> the Keys again as I write hoping to complete the same trip.
> Unfortunately I am not the one driving but my friend Herb, a Chris
> Craft guy just loves her and is able to do this trip each year
> winkling into the most amazing ditches, private anchorages, swales
> gullies etc you can imagine and usually doesnt have to pay a single
> cent for dockage in 2 months in Florida while seeing the best of the
> area other boaters dont. He has been throung the shark river
> everglades small boat trail twice for example and the view throung
> thje Glass house is great. At night the stars swing aqround the
> windows when you are on the bunk and you feel like ou ae on the
> bridge of a spaceship. I can't say enough good things of this design
> of Mr Bolgers.She trailers on a single axle behind a 6 clynder
> easily. A ouple of more motor notes. When first launched without the
> cabin and used a whole winter while cabin and windows were being
> built she did plane with that 9.9 at the original length. Also to
> get my moneys work out of that motor I use it on Sneakeasy in thje
> smme up north for a clean plane with one or two up and even more
> astounding mileage at lower speeds. And the moswt impressive design
> wrinkle of all. That same motor fixed with a hignh trust prop which
> happens to be smaller than the prop on the high thrust motor which
> wont fit the lower unit. DRives the 32 foot states class sharpie
> turtle at about 8 mph and get me about 12mpg with no problems doing
> the Rideau Canal severaql times. Thats a big boat with double bed 35
> pound anchors bookcases, galley dinette and a kayak andTortoise on
> top etc. Thanks agaqin Mr, Bolger, regards to all, john
>
Hello Eric
I maybe better get out there and at it, started to cultivate a bit of
a gut lately. Those S/F out west are pretty big and the bites itch
pretty bad for 2-3 weeks but you develop an immunity to them after a
fortnight and you lose it if your away from them for as little as a
week. We used to light wet bales of hay and let them smoulder to make
smoke for the stock to hang in, otherwise you'd lose them. The S/F
would either smother, suck blood or strees them so they couldn't eat.
Ears ,nose, throat, any bare area including their ring would be
completely covered.Whichever the stock and roos could die in their
thousands. Nasty animals.
Thanks - Darrell
I maybe better get out there and at it, started to cultivate a bit of
a gut lately. Those S/F out west are pretty big and the bites itch
pretty bad for 2-3 weeks but you develop an immunity to them after a
fortnight and you lose it if your away from them for as little as a
week. We used to light wet bales of hay and let them smoulder to make
smoke for the stock to hang in, otherwise you'd lose them. The S/F
would either smother, suck blood or strees them so they couldn't eat.
Ears ,nose, throat, any bare area including their ring would be
completely covered.Whichever the stock and roos could die in their
thousands. Nasty animals.
Thanks - Darrell
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eohiggins" <eohiggins@...> wrote:
>
> Hard to imagine anything even worse than coastal sandflies. I found
those flies were the
> only sure way for me to lose weight!
> Eric
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Eric
> > I'm only 5' 16 1/2" but gotta have 7' to be comfy and I'm gunna be
> > comfy. Found sitting on floor/cushions and resting on sides in BW to
> > be relaxing, too, and that security for grandpups and dogs is also
> > appealing . Our hound is probably too good a swimmer or likes it too
> > much.
> > We'll be trying really hard to dodge the sandflies. When they're on
> > the go they create a fog looking into the sun at dawn and dusk. They
> > start to appear about a week after the floodwaters start to drop so
> > "theoretically" we should be able to stay in front of them. These
> > inland sandflies are like the coastal ones on steroids. 3 or 4 of them
> > can carry you away.
> > Thanks - Darrell
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eohiggins" <eohiggins@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Morning Graeme and Darrell:
> > > I'm 6ft4 and find the berth length in BW quite confortable. My
> > wife is 5ft2 and gets into
> > > the boat by sitting on the bowsprit from standing on the beach
> > alongside -- no problem.
> > > One of my initial reasons for liking the BW design was that
> > grandkids and dog can roam
> > > around free without ever going on deck. That's a biggie for me,
> > 'cause we used to have a
> > > clumsy little mutt who couldn't swim very well and fell overboard
> > frequently. Poor thing
> > > lived in a doggie lifejacket with his lead attached.
> > > Even so, there were a couple of occasions where all that kept me
> > from having to jump in
> > > after the dog was the loop on top of its lifejacket that I could
> > snag with the boathook.
> > > Sitting inside BW, like sitting in Black Skimmer, is quite
> > comfortable if you lean against
> > > the flaring sides. One of our boats (not a Bolger) had vertical
> > backs on all its sitting spots
> > > and my back would be pretty sore after a week or two. That's always
> > kind of put me off
> > > the 'box' designs.
> > > All that said, I admire your spunk in planning a three-month drift
> > amid the sandflies!
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Graeme
> > > > Your're definitely keen on BW, so am I if it was just me but
it just
> > > > ain't right for longer periods or with the boss.
> > > > The berth problem is length but it has been suggested to me
that it is
> > > > an easy fix to move bulkhead 6" without any probs.
> > > > Will check out Black Skimmer but cannot find anything on Wish
2. How
> > > > does it differ to BS and what are the main features. Does
anyone have
> > > > articles/drawings that could be put in files
> > > > Thanks - Darrell
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
hi guys, In regard to Bantam mileage, I use a 2000, yamaha 9.9 4
stroke, not the high thrust. power is very adequate. we usuaqlly
cruise at 2,500 to 3,000 rpm on the tac h. thats a very pleasant
guessing 6 or 7. the top end is not much faster. but where she shines
is m,otoring in 11 inches slowly over the soft bottom in fl and in
just 9 inches wth the honda 2 auxilary , also surprisingly adequate
get home power. The mileage however is astounding.I get in
the high teens. Very high teens.Some of this is no doubt the eficient
motorbut perhaps partly from transformation of the underwater lines.
When i was contemplating stretching her because of speed limited by
the motor and short planing length i taqlked to Mr Bolger. Ny idea
was to rocker the bottom extension aft for a cleaner run.The rear
transom used to be immersed about 6 or 7 inches and sucked a wave
when i tried to go fast. Bolger drew a rockered addition which I drew
out to 6 feet and ended at the water surface. Fairly simple to do and
gives me a 26 foot long waterline and a clean run aft. a 4 foot
longer cabin and also huge afterdeck. now maybe speed is limited by
the limited power but very happy with the performance. I built her
lightly and underdeck clearance is about 5 inches with no double
bottom. She has gone from Fort Pierce to Key West, Fort Myers then
back across the Okeechobee waterway twice, about a 700 mile round
trip with some rough chop on Lake Okeechobee and boat wakes here in
Fl with no structural problems so far, but not aqn offshore boat
though she does have 5 seperate sealed hull compartmlnts.She is in
the Keys again as I write hoping to complete the same trip.
Unfortunately I am not the one driving but my friend Herb, a Chris
Craft guy just loves her and is able to do this trip each year
winkling into the most amazing ditches, private anchorages, swales
gullies etc you can imagine and usually doesnt have to pay a single
cent for dockage in 2 months in Florida while seeing the best of the
area other boaters dont. He has been throung the shark river
everglades small boat trail twice for example and the view throung
thje Glass house is great. At night the stars swing aqround the
windows when you are on the bunk and you feel like ou ae on the
bridge of a spaceship. I can't say enough good things of this design
of Mr Bolgers.She trailers on a single axle behind a 6 clynder
easily. A ouple of more motor notes. When first launched without the
cabin and used a whole winter while cabin and windows were being
built she did plane with that 9.9 at the original length. Also to
get my moneys work out of that motor I use it on Sneakeasy in thje
smme up north for a clean plane with one or two up and even more
astounding mileage at lower speeds. And the moswt impressive design
wrinkle of all. That same motor fixed with a hignh trust prop which
happens to be smaller than the prop on the high thrust motor which
wont fit the lower unit. DRives the 32 foot states class sharpie
turtle at about 8 mph and get me about 12mpg with no problems doing
the Rideau Canal severaql times. Thats a big boat with double bed 35
pound anchors bookcases, galley dinette and a kayak andTortoise on
top etc. Thanks agaqin Mr, Bolger, regards to all, john
stroke, not the high thrust. power is very adequate. we usuaqlly
cruise at 2,500 to 3,000 rpm on the tac h. thats a very pleasant
guessing 6 or 7. the top end is not much faster. but where she shines
is m,otoring in 11 inches slowly over the soft bottom in fl and in
just 9 inches wth the honda 2 auxilary , also surprisingly adequate
get home power. The mileage however is astounding.I get in
the high teens. Very high teens.Some of this is no doubt the eficient
motorbut perhaps partly from transformation of the underwater lines.
When i was contemplating stretching her because of speed limited by
the motor and short planing length i taqlked to Mr Bolger. Ny idea
was to rocker the bottom extension aft for a cleaner run.The rear
transom used to be immersed about 6 or 7 inches and sucked a wave
when i tried to go fast. Bolger drew a rockered addition which I drew
out to 6 feet and ended at the water surface. Fairly simple to do and
gives me a 26 foot long waterline and a clean run aft. a 4 foot
longer cabin and also huge afterdeck. now maybe speed is limited by
the limited power but very happy with the performance. I built her
lightly and underdeck clearance is about 5 inches with no double
bottom. She has gone from Fort Pierce to Key West, Fort Myers then
back across the Okeechobee waterway twice, about a 700 mile round
trip with some rough chop on Lake Okeechobee and boat wakes here in
Fl with no structural problems so far, but not aqn offshore boat
though she does have 5 seperate sealed hull compartmlnts.She is in
the Keys again as I write hoping to complete the same trip.
Unfortunately I am not the one driving but my friend Herb, a Chris
Craft guy just loves her and is able to do this trip each year
winkling into the most amazing ditches, private anchorages, swales
gullies etc you can imagine and usually doesnt have to pay a single
cent for dockage in 2 months in Florida while seeing the best of the
area other boaters dont. He has been throung the shark river
everglades small boat trail twice for example and the view throung
thje Glass house is great. At night the stars swing aqround the
windows when you are on the bunk and you feel like ou ae on the
bridge of a spaceship. I can't say enough good things of this design
of Mr Bolgers.She trailers on a single axle behind a 6 clynder
easily. A ouple of more motor notes. When first launched without the
cabin and used a whole winter while cabin and windows were being
built she did plane with that 9.9 at the original length. Also to
get my moneys work out of that motor I use it on Sneakeasy in thje
smme up north for a clean plane with one or two up and even more
astounding mileage at lower speeds. And the moswt impressive design
wrinkle of all. That same motor fixed with a hignh trust prop which
happens to be smaller than the prop on the high thrust motor which
wont fit the lower unit. DRives the 32 foot states class sharpie
turtle at about 8 mph and get me about 12mpg with no problems doing
the Rideau Canal severaql times. Thats a big boat with double bed 35
pound anchors bookcases, galley dinette and a kayak andTortoise on
top etc. Thanks agaqin Mr, Bolger, regards to all, john
Hard to imagine anything even worse than coastal sandflies. I found those flies were the
only sure way for me to lose weight!
Eric
only sure way for me to lose weight!
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Eric
> I'm only 5' 16 1/2" but gotta have 7' to be comfy and I'm gunna be
> comfy. Found sitting on floor/cushions and resting on sides in BW to
> be relaxing, too, and that security for grandpups and dogs is also
> appealing . Our hound is probably too good a swimmer or likes it too
> much.
> We'll be trying really hard to dodge the sandflies. When they're on
> the go they create a fog looking into the sun at dawn and dusk. They
> start to appear about a week after the floodwaters start to drop so
> "theoretically" we should be able to stay in front of them. These
> inland sandflies are like the coastal ones on steroids. 3 or 4 of them
> can carry you away.
> Thanks - Darrell
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eohiggins" <eohiggins@> wrote:
> >
> > Morning Graeme and Darrell:
> > I'm 6ft4 and find the berth length in BW quite confortable. My
> wife is 5ft2 and gets into
> > the boat by sitting on the bowsprit from standing on the beach
> alongside -- no problem.
> > One of my initial reasons for liking the BW design was that
> grandkids and dog can roam
> > around free without ever going on deck. That's a biggie for me,
> 'cause we used to have a
> > clumsy little mutt who couldn't swim very well and fell overboard
> frequently. Poor thing
> > lived in a doggie lifejacket with his lead attached.
> > Even so, there were a couple of occasions where all that kept me
> from having to jump in
> > after the dog was the loop on top of its lifejacket that I could
> snag with the boathook.
> > Sitting inside BW, like sitting in Black Skimmer, is quite
> comfortable if you lean against
> > the flaring sides. One of our boats (not a Bolger) had vertical
> backs on all its sitting spots
> > and my back would be pretty sore after a week or two. That's always
> kind of put me off
> > the 'box' designs.
> > All that said, I admire your spunk in planning a three-month drift
> amid the sandflies!
> > Eric
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Graeme
> > > Your're definitely keen on BW, so am I if it was just me but it just
> > > ain't right for longer periods or with the boss.
> > > The berth problem is length but it has been suggested to me that it is
> > > an easy fix to move bulkhead 6" without any probs.
> > > Will check out Black Skimmer but cannot find anything on Wish 2. How
> > > does it differ to BS and what are the main features. Does anyone have
> > > articles/drawings that could be put in files
> > > Thanks - Darrell
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Hello Eric
I'm only 5' 16 1/2" but gotta have 7' to be comfy and I'm gunna be
comfy. Found sitting on floor/cushions and resting on sides in BW to
be relaxing, too, and that security for grandpups and dogs is also
appealing . Our hound is probably too good a swimmer or likes it too
much.
We'll be trying really hard to dodge the sandflies. When they're on
the go they create a fog looking into the sun at dawn and dusk. They
start to appear about a week after the floodwaters start to drop so
"theoretically" we should be able to stay in front of them. These
inland sandflies are like the coastal ones on steroids. 3 or 4 of them
can carry you away.
Thanks - Darrell
I'm only 5' 16 1/2" but gotta have 7' to be comfy and I'm gunna be
comfy. Found sitting on floor/cushions and resting on sides in BW to
be relaxing, too, and that security for grandpups and dogs is also
appealing . Our hound is probably too good a swimmer or likes it too
much.
We'll be trying really hard to dodge the sandflies. When they're on
the go they create a fog looking into the sun at dawn and dusk. They
start to appear about a week after the floodwaters start to drop so
"theoretically" we should be able to stay in front of them. These
inland sandflies are like the coastal ones on steroids. 3 or 4 of them
can carry you away.
Thanks - Darrell
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eohiggins" <eohiggins@...> wrote:
>
> Morning Graeme and Darrell:
> I'm 6ft4 and find the berth length in BW quite confortable. My
wife is 5ft2 and gets into
> the boat by sitting on the bowsprit from standing on the beach
alongside -- no problem.
> One of my initial reasons for liking the BW design was that
grandkids and dog can roam
> around free without ever going on deck. That's a biggie for me,
'cause we used to have a
> clumsy little mutt who couldn't swim very well and fell overboard
frequently. Poor thing
> lived in a doggie lifejacket with his lead attached.
> Even so, there were a couple of occasions where all that kept me
from having to jump in
> after the dog was the loop on top of its lifejacket that I could
snag with the boathook.
> Sitting inside BW, like sitting in Black Skimmer, is quite
comfortable if you lean against
> the flaring sides. One of our boats (not a Bolger) had vertical
backs on all its sitting spots
> and my back would be pretty sore after a week or two. That's always
kind of put me off
> the 'box' designs.
> All that said, I admire your spunk in planning a three-month drift
amid the sandflies!
> Eric
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Graeme
> > Your're definitely keen on BW, so am I if it was just me but it just
> > ain't right for longer periods or with the boss.
> > The berth problem is length but it has been suggested to me that it is
> > an easy fix to move bulkhead 6" without any probs.
> > Will check out Black Skimmer but cannot find anything on Wish 2. How
> > does it differ to BS and what are the main features. Does anyone have
> > articles/drawings that could be put in files
> > Thanks - Darrell
> >
>
> >
> > >
> >
>
Morning Graeme and Darrell:
I'm 6ft4 and find the berth length in BW quite confortable. My wife is 5ft2 and gets into
the boat by sitting on the bowsprit from standing on the beach alongside -- no problem.
One of my initial reasons for liking the BW design was that grandkids and dog can roam
around free without ever going on deck. That's a biggie for me, 'cause we used to have a
clumsy little mutt who couldn't swim very well and fell overboard frequently. Poor thing
lived in a doggie lifejacket with his lead attached.
Even so, there were a couple of occasions where all that kept me from having to jump in
after the dog was the loop on top of its lifejacket that I could snag with the boathook.
Sitting inside BW, like sitting in Black Skimmer, is quite comfortable if you lean against
the flaring sides. One of our boats (not a Bolger) had vertical backs on all its sitting spots
and my back would be pretty sore after a week or two. That's always kind of put me off
the 'box' designs.
All that said, I admire your spunk in planning a three-month drift amid the sandflies!
Eric
I'm 6ft4 and find the berth length in BW quite confortable. My wife is 5ft2 and gets into
the boat by sitting on the bowsprit from standing on the beach alongside -- no problem.
One of my initial reasons for liking the BW design was that grandkids and dog can roam
around free without ever going on deck. That's a biggie for me, 'cause we used to have a
clumsy little mutt who couldn't swim very well and fell overboard frequently. Poor thing
lived in a doggie lifejacket with his lead attached.
Even so, there were a couple of occasions where all that kept me from having to jump in
after the dog was the loop on top of its lifejacket that I could snag with the boathook.
Sitting inside BW, like sitting in Black Skimmer, is quite comfortable if you lean against
the flaring sides. One of our boats (not a Bolger) had vertical backs on all its sitting spots
and my back would be pretty sore after a week or two. That's always kind of put me off
the 'box' designs.
All that said, I admire your spunk in planning a three-month drift amid the sandflies!
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Graeme
> Your're definitely keen on BW, so am I if it was just me but it just
> ain't right for longer periods or with the boss.
> The berth problem is length but it has been suggested to me that it is
> an easy fix to move bulkhead 6" without any probs.
> Will check out Black Skimmer but cannot find anything on Wish 2. How
> does it differ to BS and what are the main features. Does anyone have
> articles/drawings that could be put in files
> Thanks - Darrell
>
>
> >
>
Hello Wayne
Graeme has also suggested Black Skimmer. Will ckeck it out and get
back. How does it motor, fuel consumption and speed.
Thanks - Darrell
Graeme has also suggested Black Skimmer. Will ckeck it out and get
back. How does it motor, fuel consumption and speed.
Thanks - Darrell
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne Gilham" <wgilham@...> wrote:
>
> As a prior owner of a Black Skimmer, I'd suggest, that boat could take
> anything that you could hold-on for.
>
> Remember, it's:
>
> 1) self-righting (due to high cabinsides right out to hull, and
steel-plate
> ballast inside),
>
> 2)self-bailing (any wave into the cockpit will exit right aft out the
> outboard well (a straight run aft along seats and cockpit floor), final
> amounts draining out the scuppers, which actually "suck" while
under-way),
>
> 3) unsinkable (if you really do fill the area under the cockpit
seats with
> foam, like the plans call for)
>
> And 4) presents a decent vee to the seas when heeled, thus doesn't pound
> (much) in waves.
>
>
>
> I worked out ways to tie-in up to two reefs on that huge main - since my
> sail had slides and was mounted on mast-track, I could easily
position the
> sail lower (with reefs in) without disconnecting the snotter -
otherwise a
> genuine problem if you're only lacing-on the luff of your main.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne Gilham
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Hello Graeme
Your're definitely keen on BW, so am I if it was just me but it just
ain't right for longer periods or with the boss.
The berth problem is length but it has been suggested to me that it is
an easy fix to move bulkhead 6" without any probs.
Will check out Black Skimmer but cannot find anything on Wish 2. How
does it differ to BS and what are the main features. Does anyone have
articles/drawings that could be put in files
Thanks - Darrell
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
Your're definitely keen on BW, so am I if it was just me but it just
ain't right for longer periods or with the boss.
The berth problem is length but it has been suggested to me that it is
an easy fix to move bulkhead 6" without any probs.
Will check out Black Skimmer but cannot find anything on Wish 2. How
does it differ to BS and what are the main features. Does anyone have
articles/drawings that could be put in files
Thanks - Darrell
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@> wrote:
> >However women are involved and if I'm not long you could wait
> > so a couple of probs with BW. Aceess is not easy,
>
> Sit on the fore deck, lift legs out/in? Or rig Boarding
> steps/ladder?
>
> >berth to small,
>
> Should be long enough. Is width an issue? How wide a cabin sole is
> wanted?
>
> >no seating other than floor
>
> Ah, here BW should shine - big comfy folding deck chairs - at anchor,
> down wind in moderate air, under power...
>
> >and not designed for motor?
>
> BW2 is. The usual BW1 mod has been found satisfactory. _And_ you'll
> get nearly 6kts out of a throttled back 2HP motor, with consequent
> light fuel consumption for the Thompson.
>
>
> > Not enough space generally for longer periods. I reckon we need
> 11/12' of cab space + some for + aft deck.
>
> Probably so - especially for more than two - and it is for periods up
> to 3-4months at a time...
>
> > For the others the're probably out as far as waves are concerned.
>
> Martha Jane has crossed Bass Straight. Black Skimmer therefore should
> do it easier. Long Micro (with navigator cabin?) could.
>
> Long Micro would meet virtually all your varied requirements - I'm
> not sure about the shallow work though - I think for the Thompson run
> very shallow draft might be a big advantage and the LM salient keel
> may be difficult to put up with. That said, what about the virtual
> shallow draft sister of LM: Wish II with its large cabin and deck
> space?
>
>
> BTW, PCB may have a much longer "Trash Cat" type hidden away.
>
> Graeme
>
As a prior owner of a Black Skimmer, I'd suggest, that boat could take
anything that you could hold-on for.
Remember, it's:
1) self-righting (due to high cabinsides right out to hull, and steel-plate
ballast inside),
2)self-bailing (any wave into the cockpit will exit right aft out the
outboard well (a straight run aft along seats and cockpit floor), final
amounts draining out the scuppers, which actually "suck" while under-way),
3) unsinkable (if you really do fill the area under the cockpit seats with
foam, like the plans call for)
And 4) presents a decent vee to the seas when heeled, thus doesn't pound
(much) in waves.
I worked out ways to tie-in up to two reefs on that huge main - since my
sail had slides and was mounted on mast-track, I could easily position the
sail lower (with reefs in) without disconnecting the snotter - otherwise a
genuine problem if you're only lacing-on the luff of your main.
Regards,
Wayne Gilham
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
anything that you could hold-on for.
Remember, it's:
1) self-righting (due to high cabinsides right out to hull, and steel-plate
ballast inside),
2)self-bailing (any wave into the cockpit will exit right aft out the
outboard well (a straight run aft along seats and cockpit floor), final
amounts draining out the scuppers, which actually "suck" while under-way),
3) unsinkable (if you really do fill the area under the cockpit seats with
foam, like the plans call for)
And 4) presents a decent vee to the seas when heeled, thus doesn't pound
(much) in waves.
I worked out ways to tie-in up to two reefs on that huge main - since my
sail had slides and was mounted on mast-track, I could easily position the
sail lower (with reefs in) without disconnecting the snotter - otherwise a
genuine problem if you're only lacing-on the luff of your main.
Regards,
Wayne Gilham
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Sea Scouts is usually a reference to Sea Explorers, a nautically
oriented branch of the Boy Scouts of America. What's a troop in Boy
Scouts is a ship in Sea Explorers.
All that to suggest you look for the group as part of the BSA. They
may have kept the MJ or sold it. They get offered lots of plastic
runabouts that really don't help. An MJ could be pretty useful to a
bunch of Sea Scouts.
Don
oriented branch of the Boy Scouts of America. What's a troop in Boy
Scouts is a ship in Sea Explorers.
All that to suggest you look for the group as part of the BSA. They
may have kept the MJ or sold it. They get offered lots of plastic
runabouts that really don't help. An MJ could be pretty useful to a
bunch of Sea Scouts.
Don
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Potter <jeff@...> wrote:
>
> by the dock guys that the owner donated it to the Sea Scouts. I would
> recognize the old owner's name. That's an outfit that usually sells-
> on boats at a cheap rate as a fundraiser. Does anyone know what
> happened to this boat? (I saw there was a Bolger powerboat tied up
> ******
> Jeff Potter
> publisher,http://OutYourBackDoor.com
> independent outdoor culture & adventure
> bikes, boats, skis & much, much more!
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@...> wrote:
steps/ladder?
wanted?
down wind in moderate air, under power...
get nearly 6kts out of a throttled back 2HP motor, with consequent
light fuel consumption for the Thompson.
Probably so - especially for more than two - and it is for periods up
to 3-4months at a time...
do it easier. Long Micro (with navigator cabin?) could.
Long Micro would meet virtually all your varied requirements - I'm
not sure about the shallow work though - I think for the Thompson run
very shallow draft might be a big advantage and the LM salient keel
may be difficult to put up with. That said, what about the virtual
shallow draft sister of LM: Wish II with its large cabin and deck
space?
BTW, PCB may have a much longer "Trash Cat" type hidden away.
Graeme
>However women are involved and if I'm not long you could waitSit on the fore deck, lift legs out/in? Or rig Boarding
> so a couple of probs with BW. Aceess is not easy,
steps/ladder?
>berth to small,Should be long enough. Is width an issue? How wide a cabin sole is
wanted?
>no seating other than floorAh, here BW should shine - big comfy folding deck chairs - at anchor,
down wind in moderate air, under power...
>and not designed for motor?BW2 is. The usual BW1 mod has been found satisfactory. _And_ you'll
get nearly 6kts out of a throttled back 2HP motor, with consequent
light fuel consumption for the Thompson.
> Not enough space generally for longer periods. I reckon we need11/12' of cab space + some for + aft deck.
Probably so - especially for more than two - and it is for periods up
to 3-4months at a time...
> For the others the're probably out as far as waves are concerned.Martha Jane has crossed Bass Straight. Black Skimmer therefore should
do it easier. Long Micro (with navigator cabin?) could.
Long Micro would meet virtually all your varied requirements - I'm
not sure about the shallow work though - I think for the Thompson run
very shallow draft might be a big advantage and the LM salient keel
may be difficult to put up with. That said, what about the virtual
shallow draft sister of LM: Wish II with its large cabin and deck
space?
BTW, PCB may have a much longer "Trash Cat" type hidden away.
Graeme
Thanks heaps Bob
Just the sort of info we were looking for.
The redesign you speak of, is this Bolger and in plans now available?
What is the bridge deck clearance old to new?
Could you explain "double bottoms" and is this the addition of foam
glassed over. I read somewhere, of adding 4" to floats and 1" to hull.
was this to gain extra clearance only. May add to complexity of
trailering, more height over wheels. So what.
Sounds like it will do what we would like. The rough water bit is
purely from a safety point of view it is not the intention,just in case.
I have a Jarcat 5 set up to motor only and it is a handy job but not
suited for extended stuff for my size. Also cat hull space not as
useful as tri for standing and working in.
Thanks again-Any other info and analysis much appreciated
Darrell
Just the sort of info we were looking for.
The redesign you speak of, is this Bolger and in plans now available?
What is the bridge deck clearance old to new?
Could you explain "double bottoms" and is this the addition of foam
glassed over. I read somewhere, of adding 4" to floats and 1" to hull.
was this to gain extra clearance only. May add to complexity of
trailering, more height over wheels. So what.
Sounds like it will do what we would like. The rough water bit is
purely from a safety point of view it is not the intention,just in case.
I have a Jarcat 5 set up to motor only and it is a handy job but not
suited for extended stuff for my size. Also cat hull space not as
useful as tri for standing and working in.
Thanks again-Any other info and analysis much appreciated
Darrell
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Slimak" <otter55806@...> wrote:
>
> Darrell,
> I built a Bantam and have lived aboard for months at a time cruising
> the waters of Florida, Texas, and my home waters of Lake Superior,
> besides various rivers, including the Mississippi. The original
> design was only good for calm waters because of too little distance
> from the water to the underside of the bridge deck. I built the
> re-design with the double bottoms, which increased the distance off
> the water. While Bolger still considers this to be a protected water
> boat, and so do I, it can take some pretty rough water if needed. I
> got a lot of this last winter on the Texas Gulf coast intracoastal. I
> also get more waves than I would like when cruising the Apostle
> Islands on Lake Superior. I do try to pay attention and not get caught
> just because it's supposed to be "pleasure boating" and being slammed
> around in the steep, short waves of shallow waters such as the
> intracoastal and Lake Superior is not my idea of pleasure. The boat,
> however, handled them just fine. With bigger waves you will get
> bottom slap on the underside of the bridge deck. Tom David, you built
> the first Bantam, had commented that he started getting some
> separation of the bridge deck to hull joints. After 4 years of use I
> have no such problems. In correspondence with him I think the
> difference is that he did not do the joints like I did. All inside
> ones had fillet joints covered by two layers of 6 oz tape. All
> outside ones also had two layers of tape. He did not do this and I
> think that is why he had some trouble and I have not. I did the same
> on attaching the bulkheads to the bridge deck. Just to show you what
> the hull can take, I will confess to making a really stupid mistake of
> once hitting forward instead of reverse and therefore ramming a
> concrete wall at about 4 mph. The only damage done (besides my
> embarrassment) was that it cracked the anchor bow platform (not in the
> design) and bent the anchor. No damage to the hull, no cracks in the
> joints. I have been out where I am taking the occasional wave right
> over the bow and having solid water slam into the cabin window.
> Again, not my idea of fun, but the boat can handle it.
> Now for other things. Being a trimaran instead of a catamaran she
> won't beach as well as a cat. You can't just step off to the beach as
> you can with that cat. Looking at that Gougemaran site, I don't get
> that high speed with that kind of gas mileage either. That's what 32'
> will do compared with 22'. Oh yeah, I did build two feet longer than
> the plans, which does give me a cabin length of 11 1/2', which does
> give me a nicer cabin. The trouble with me and a bigger cabin is that
> I tend to fill it up. Too much weight on a 22' length slows you down.
> I built 22' because that is the longest I could build in the garage I
> had. I am now planning on adding two feet to the two sponsons this
> summer, leaving the center hull the way it is. I think this will help
> with the squatting it tends to do at full throttle. The Gougens have
> theirs 4 1/2' forward. Again that extra length.
> I guess I think of any boat that cannot self right from a capsize as a
> protected water boat, but used with care and good handling a Bantam
> can take some fairly rough water.
> Bob
> PS- have you looked at your own(Aussie)Jarcat? The 7 meter long power
> model looks interesting.
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Graeme
> > You may have noticed our shift from pure sail to mostly power and
> > seats rather than the floor ( age shall ... weary them)
> > Birdwatcher was the second job seriously considered after a proa and I
> > have the plans along with Michalaks "Caprice. Have had a look and a
> > play in Ian's "Dawn Song". The workmanship, changes and finish are
> > magic. However women are involved and if I'm not long you could wait
> > so a couple of probs with BW. Aceess is not easy, berth to small, no
> > seating other than floor and not designed for motor? Not enough space
> > generally for longer periods. I reckon we need 11/12' of cab space +
> > some for + aft deck.
> > For the others the're probably out as far as waves are concerned.
> >
> > There's plenty of water out there now, about 60% QLD flooded and half
> > VIC burnt. Not ideal conditions now b/c many separate rainfalls with
> > river height fluctuations leading to absolute masses of sandfly
> > hatchings. Enough to wipe out sheep and roos by the thousands and keep
> > the horses trotting 24/7. Best scenario is one large mass rain and
> > follow behind the flood peak and before the sandflies get going.
> > A group job would be great. Am in the process of getting access to
> > photos with Thompson in minor flood to more easily ID the main
> > channels to waypoint, and info on weirs and flood heights required to
> > cross them.
> > I really like the basics of "Bantam" but it would need stretching out
> > to about 24/26' and am not sure of it's ability in rough water. The
> > writings found so far seem to indicate that a wave is to be avoided.
> > I'd like to know for sure.
> > Thanks again - Darrell
> >
> > For the Gougmaran see:
> >http://www.westsystem.com/ss/assets/Uploads/Gougmarans.pdf
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello all -
> > > > Trying to get some advice/suggestions on designs for a boat
for the
> > > > following uses/characteristics...
> > >
> > > Birdwatcher 1 or 2 - you could build-in the fore or aft half to
meet
> > > the requirement of having an enclosed cabin. The usual engine mount
> > > added on BW1.
> > >
> > > Anhinga - technically superceded by BW, but it has the 11'/12'
cabin.
> > > Similar engine mount as above.
> > >
> > > Tennessee, Idaho or some such power boat for the Thompson run
and as
> > > a base for around the lake for subsequent months from which to
watch
> > > all that amazing desert life stuff happen. A downwind sail/kite
might
> > > be possible. Not for an outside coastal hop including, I would
think,
> > > inside the reef even on a good weather prospect.
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > >
> > > > Another little project for this job is to cruise down the
> > > > Thompson from Longreach to Lake Eyre on a flood. 3-4 months
and only
> > > > one half a town on the way. Pick up supplies dropped of by air at
> > > > stations.
> > >
> > > This would be really good for many done in some kind of loose
convoy:
> > > shared air support expenses, emergency back-up, navigating the maze
> > > of anabranches, channels etc
> > >
> > > I've thought a little about a keel-less Micro for this one...
> > >
> > > Darrell, shouldn't we be out there now? I heard another El Nino
> > > pattern is due to take hold from later this year - if so,
there'll be
> > > plenty of time to plan and be ready to go next time at the drop
of a
> > > hat.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Gourgmaran - A little long and not much shelter
> > >
> > > What's "Gourgmaran"?
> > >
> > > Graeme
> > >
> >
>
Darrell,
I built a Bantam and have lived aboard for months at a time cruising
the waters of Florida, Texas, and my home waters of Lake Superior,
besides various rivers, including the Mississippi. The original
design was only good for calm waters because of too little distance
from the water to the underside of the bridge deck. I built the
re-design with the double bottoms, which increased the distance off
the water. While Bolger still considers this to be a protected water
boat, and so do I, it can take some pretty rough water if needed. I
got a lot of this last winter on the Texas Gulf coast intracoastal. I
also get more waves than I would like when cruising the Apostle
Islands on Lake Superior. I do try to pay attention and not get caught
just because it's supposed to be "pleasure boating" and being slammed
around in the steep, short waves of shallow waters such as the
intracoastal and Lake Superior is not my idea of pleasure. The boat,
however, handled them just fine. With bigger waves you will get
bottom slap on the underside of the bridge deck. Tom David, you built
the first Bantam, had commented that he started getting some
separation of the bridge deck to hull joints. After 4 years of use I
have no such problems. In correspondence with him I think the
difference is that he did not do the joints like I did. All inside
ones had fillet joints covered by two layers of 6 oz tape. All
outside ones also had two layers of tape. He did not do this and I
think that is why he had some trouble and I have not. I did the same
on attaching the bulkheads to the bridge deck. Just to show you what
the hull can take, I will confess to making a really stupid mistake of
once hitting forward instead of reverse and therefore ramming a
concrete wall at about 4 mph. The only damage done (besides my
embarrassment) was that it cracked the anchor bow platform (not in the
design) and bent the anchor. No damage to the hull, no cracks in the
joints. I have been out where I am taking the occasional wave right
over the bow and having solid water slam into the cabin window.
Again, not my idea of fun, but the boat can handle it.
Now for other things. Being a trimaran instead of a catamaran she
won't beach as well as a cat. You can't just step off to the beach as
you can with that cat. Looking at that Gougemaran site, I don't get
that high speed with that kind of gas mileage either. That's what 32'
will do compared with 22'. Oh yeah, I did build two feet longer than
the plans, which does give me a cabin length of 11 1/2', which does
give me a nicer cabin. The trouble with me and a bigger cabin is that
I tend to fill it up. Too much weight on a 22' length slows you down.
I built 22' because that is the longest I could build in the garage I
had. I am now planning on adding two feet to the two sponsons this
summer, leaving the center hull the way it is. I think this will help
with the squatting it tends to do at full throttle. The Gougens have
theirs 4 1/2' forward. Again that extra length.
I guess I think of any boat that cannot self right from a capsize as a
protected water boat, but used with care and good handling a Bantam
can take some fairly rough water.
Bob
PS- have you looked at your own(Aussie)Jarcat? The 7 meter long power
model looks interesting.
I built a Bantam and have lived aboard for months at a time cruising
the waters of Florida, Texas, and my home waters of Lake Superior,
besides various rivers, including the Mississippi. The original
design was only good for calm waters because of too little distance
from the water to the underside of the bridge deck. I built the
re-design with the double bottoms, which increased the distance off
the water. While Bolger still considers this to be a protected water
boat, and so do I, it can take some pretty rough water if needed. I
got a lot of this last winter on the Texas Gulf coast intracoastal. I
also get more waves than I would like when cruising the Apostle
Islands on Lake Superior. I do try to pay attention and not get caught
just because it's supposed to be "pleasure boating" and being slammed
around in the steep, short waves of shallow waters such as the
intracoastal and Lake Superior is not my idea of pleasure. The boat,
however, handled them just fine. With bigger waves you will get
bottom slap on the underside of the bridge deck. Tom David, you built
the first Bantam, had commented that he started getting some
separation of the bridge deck to hull joints. After 4 years of use I
have no such problems. In correspondence with him I think the
difference is that he did not do the joints like I did. All inside
ones had fillet joints covered by two layers of 6 oz tape. All
outside ones also had two layers of tape. He did not do this and I
think that is why he had some trouble and I have not. I did the same
on attaching the bulkheads to the bridge deck. Just to show you what
the hull can take, I will confess to making a really stupid mistake of
once hitting forward instead of reverse and therefore ramming a
concrete wall at about 4 mph. The only damage done (besides my
embarrassment) was that it cracked the anchor bow platform (not in the
design) and bent the anchor. No damage to the hull, no cracks in the
joints. I have been out where I am taking the occasional wave right
over the bow and having solid water slam into the cabin window.
Again, not my idea of fun, but the boat can handle it.
Now for other things. Being a trimaran instead of a catamaran she
won't beach as well as a cat. You can't just step off to the beach as
you can with that cat. Looking at that Gougemaran site, I don't get
that high speed with that kind of gas mileage either. That's what 32'
will do compared with 22'. Oh yeah, I did build two feet longer than
the plans, which does give me a cabin length of 11 1/2', which does
give me a nicer cabin. The trouble with me and a bigger cabin is that
I tend to fill it up. Too much weight on a 22' length slows you down.
I built 22' because that is the longest I could build in the garage I
had. I am now planning on adding two feet to the two sponsons this
summer, leaving the center hull the way it is. I think this will help
with the squatting it tends to do at full throttle. The Gougens have
theirs 4 1/2' forward. Again that extra length.
I guess I think of any boat that cannot self right from a capsize as a
protected water boat, but used with care and good handling a Bantam
can take some fairly rough water.
Bob
PS- have you looked at your own(Aussie)Jarcat? The 7 meter long power
model looks interesting.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Graeme
> You may have noticed our shift from pure sail to mostly power and
> seats rather than the floor ( age shall ... weary them)
> Birdwatcher was the second job seriously considered after a proa and I
> have the plans along with Michalaks "Caprice. Have had a look and a
> play in Ian's "Dawn Song". The workmanship, changes and finish are
> magic. However women are involved and if I'm not long you could wait
> so a couple of probs with BW. Aceess is not easy, berth to small, no
> seating other than floor and not designed for motor? Not enough space
> generally for longer periods. I reckon we need 11/12' of cab space +
> some for + aft deck.
> For the others the're probably out as far as waves are concerned.
>
> There's plenty of water out there now, about 60% QLD flooded and half
> VIC burnt. Not ideal conditions now b/c many separate rainfalls with
> river height fluctuations leading to absolute masses of sandfly
> hatchings. Enough to wipe out sheep and roos by the thousands and keep
> the horses trotting 24/7. Best scenario is one large mass rain and
> follow behind the flood peak and before the sandflies get going.
> A group job would be great. Am in the process of getting access to
> photos with Thompson in minor flood to more easily ID the main
> channels to waypoint, and info on weirs and flood heights required to
> cross them.
> I really like the basics of "Bantam" but it would need stretching out
> to about 24/26' and am not sure of it's ability in rough water. The
> writings found so far seem to indicate that a wave is to be avoided.
> I'd like to know for sure.
> Thanks again - Darrell
>
> For the Gougmaran see:
>http://www.westsystem.com/ss/assets/Uploads/Gougmarans.pdf
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all -
> > > Trying to get some advice/suggestions on designs for a boat for the
> > > following uses/characteristics...
> >
> > Birdwatcher 1 or 2 - you could build-in the fore or aft half to meet
> > the requirement of having an enclosed cabin. The usual engine mount
> > added on BW1.
> >
> > Anhinga - technically superceded by BW, but it has the 11'/12' cabin.
> > Similar engine mount as above.
> >
> > Tennessee, Idaho or some such power boat for the Thompson run and as
> > a base for around the lake for subsequent months from which to watch
> > all that amazing desert life stuff happen. A downwind sail/kite might
> > be possible. Not for an outside coastal hop including, I would think,
> > inside the reef even on a good weather prospect.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >
> > > Another little project for this job is to cruise down the
> > > Thompson from Longreach to Lake Eyre on a flood. 3-4 months and only
> > > one half a town on the way. Pick up supplies dropped of by air at
> > > stations.
> >
> > This would be really good for many done in some kind of loose convoy:
> > shared air support expenses, emergency back-up, navigating the maze
> > of anabranches, channels etc
> >
> > I've thought a little about a keel-less Micro for this one...
> >
> > Darrell, shouldn't we be out there now? I heard another El Nino
> > pattern is due to take hold from later this year - if so, there'll be
> > plenty of time to plan and be ready to go next time at the drop of a
> > hat.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Gourgmaran - A little long and not much shelter
> >
> > What's "Gourgmaran"?
> >
> > Graeme
> >
>
Hi... I'm a newbie. I recall a Martha Jane that was based out of St.
Ignace, MI. I asked about it last summer at the marina and was told
by the dock guys that the owner donated it to the Sea Scouts. I would
recognize the old owner's name. That's an outfit that usually sells-
on boats at a cheap rate as a fundraiser. Does anyone know what
happened to this boat? (I saw there was a Bolger powerboat tied up
nearby and the dock guys said the MJ owner was still in town...and
still in action, it looks like!) Thanks! --JP
******
Jeff Potter
publisher,http://OutYourBackDoor.com
independent outdoor culture & adventure
bikes, boats, skis & much, much more!
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Ignace, MI. I asked about it last summer at the marina and was told
by the dock guys that the owner donated it to the Sea Scouts. I would
recognize the old owner's name. That's an outfit that usually sells-
on boats at a cheap rate as a fundraiser. Does anyone know what
happened to this boat? (I saw there was a Bolger powerboat tied up
nearby and the dock guys said the MJ owner was still in town...and
still in action, it looks like!) Thanks! --JP
******
Jeff Potter
publisher,http://OutYourBackDoor.com
independent outdoor culture & adventure
bikes, boats, skis & much, much more!
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hello Bruce,
Say we go with the icebox and settle for sitting headroom with a slot
top or hatches or pop top over helm and galley
what do you suggest.
Don't know why I passed on FMS before ,but reread in BWOM and it
looks half OK. There's a lot more info with regard to hull performance
for "Hawkeye" than there is for FMS.
The required motor size could be a problem. Any idea on speeds and
fuel usage for FMS, weights and all that.
Thanks for the links. Some stuff I hadn't seen before
Would appreciate your thoughts on the designed applications for
"Topaz" and "Bantam" and semi protected waters (risk of a wave) if
there are no other close alternatives. I like them both.
Also possibility of extending Bantam to cab length of 11/12' and o'all
to about 25'and perhaps shrinking Topaz a couple of feet
Thanks - Darrell
Say we go with the icebox and settle for sitting headroom with a slot
top or hatches or pop top over helm and galley
what do you suggest.
Don't know why I passed on FMS before ,but reread in BWOM and it
looks half OK. There's a lot more info with regard to hull performance
for "Hawkeye" than there is for FMS.
The required motor size could be a problem. Any idea on speeds and
fuel usage for FMS, weights and all that.
Thanks for the links. Some stuff I hadn't seen before
Would appreciate your thoughts on the designed applications for
"Topaz" and "Bantam" and semi protected waters (risk of a wave) if
there are no other close alternatives. I like them both.
Also possibility of extending Bantam to cab length of 11/12' and o'all
to about 25'and perhaps shrinking Topaz a couple of feet
Thanks - Darrell
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> I am not sure that all of your 'wish list' can be achieved with one
boat.
> Especially troublesome is the headroom, and the refrigerator.
>
> I used to have similar on my wish list, but have since changed my
> mind. A well insulated ice box works, and saves massive amounts of
> complexity. Also, IMO, headroom on a boat is needed about as much as
> headroom is needed in an automobile.
>
>
> The Bolger design Fast Motor Sailer comes close.
>
>http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/fms.htm
>
>http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Ada5640x480.jpg
>http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Ada1640x480.jpg
>http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Ada2640x480.jpg
>
>http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Page.html
>
>http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/chebac17.htm
>
Hello Graeme
You may have noticed our shift from pure sail to mostly power and
seats rather than the floor ( age shall ... weary them)
Birdwatcher was the second job seriously considered after a proa and I
have the plans along with Michalaks "Caprice. Have had a look and a
play in Ian's "Dawn Song". The workmanship, changes and finish are
magic. However women are involved and if I'm not long you could wait
so a couple of probs with BW. Aceess is not easy, berth to small, no
seating other than floor and not designed for motor? Not enough space
generally for longer periods. I reckon we need 11/12' of cab space +
some for + aft deck.
For the others the're probably out as far as waves are concerned.
There's plenty of water out there now, about 60% QLD flooded and half
VIC burnt. Not ideal conditions now b/c many separate rainfalls with
river height fluctuations leading to absolute masses of sandfly
hatchings. Enough to wipe out sheep and roos by the thousands and keep
the horses trotting 24/7. Best scenario is one large mass rain and
follow behind the flood peak and before the sandflies get going.
A group job would be great. Am in the process of getting access to
photos with Thompson in minor flood to more easily ID the main
channels to waypoint, and info on weirs and flood heights required to
cross them.
I really like the basics of "Bantam" but it would need stretching out
to about 24/26' and am not sure of it's ability in rough water. The
writings found so far seem to indicate that a wave is to be avoided.
I'd like to know for sure.
Thanks again - Darrell
For the Gougmaran see:
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/assets/Uploads/Gougmarans.pdf
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
You may have noticed our shift from pure sail to mostly power and
seats rather than the floor ( age shall ... weary them)
Birdwatcher was the second job seriously considered after a proa and I
have the plans along with Michalaks "Caprice. Have had a look and a
play in Ian's "Dawn Song". The workmanship, changes and finish are
magic. However women are involved and if I'm not long you could wait
so a couple of probs with BW. Aceess is not easy, berth to small, no
seating other than floor and not designed for motor? Not enough space
generally for longer periods. I reckon we need 11/12' of cab space +
some for + aft deck.
For the others the're probably out as far as waves are concerned.
There's plenty of water out there now, about 60% QLD flooded and half
VIC burnt. Not ideal conditions now b/c many separate rainfalls with
river height fluctuations leading to absolute masses of sandfly
hatchings. Enough to wipe out sheep and roos by the thousands and keep
the horses trotting 24/7. Best scenario is one large mass rain and
follow behind the flood peak and before the sandflies get going.
A group job would be great. Am in the process of getting access to
photos with Thompson in minor flood to more easily ID the main
channels to waypoint, and info on weirs and flood heights required to
cross them.
I really like the basics of "Bantam" but it would need stretching out
to about 24/26' and am not sure of it's ability in rough water. The
writings found so far seem to indicate that a wave is to be avoided.
I'd like to know for sure.
Thanks again - Darrell
For the Gougmaran see:
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/assets/Uploads/Gougmarans.pdf
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all -
> > Trying to get some advice/suggestions on designs for a boat for the
> > following uses/characteristics...
>
> Birdwatcher 1 or 2 - you could build-in the fore or aft half to meet
> the requirement of having an enclosed cabin. The usual engine mount
> added on BW1.
>
> Anhinga - technically superceded by BW, but it has the 11'/12' cabin.
> Similar engine mount as above.
>
> Tennessee, Idaho or some such power boat for the Thompson run and as
> a base for around the lake for subsequent months from which to watch
> all that amazing desert life stuff happen. A downwind sail/kite might
> be possible. Not for an outside coastal hop including, I would think,
> inside the reef even on a good weather prospect.
>
> <snip>
>
>
> > Another little project for this job is to cruise down the
> > Thompson from Longreach to Lake Eyre on a flood. 3-4 months and only
> > one half a town on the way. Pick up supplies dropped of by air at
> > stations.
>
> This would be really good for many done in some kind of loose convoy:
> shared air support expenses, emergency back-up, navigating the maze
> of anabranches, channels etc
>
> I've thought a little about a keel-less Micro for this one...
>
> Darrell, shouldn't we be out there now? I heard another El Nino
> pattern is due to take hold from later this year - if so, there'll be
> plenty of time to plan and be ready to go next time at the drop of a
> hat.
>
>
>
> > Gourgmaran - A little long and not much shelter
>
> What's "Gourgmaran"?
>
> Graeme
>
I am not sure that all of your 'wish list' can be achieved with one boat.
Especially troublesome is the headroom, and the refrigerator.
I used to have similar on my wish list, but have since changed my
mind. A well insulated ice box works, and saves massive amounts of
complexity. Also, IMO, headroom on a boat is needed about as much as
headroom is needed in an automobile.
The Bolger design Fast Motor Sailer comes close.
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/fms.htm
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Ada5640x480.jpg
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Ada1640x480.jpg
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Ada2640x480.jpg
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Page.html
http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/chebac17.htm
Especially troublesome is the headroom, and the refrigerator.
I used to have similar on my wish list, but have since changed my
mind. A well insulated ice box works, and saves massive amounts of
complexity. Also, IMO, headroom on a boat is needed about as much as
headroom is needed in an automobile.
The Bolger design Fast Motor Sailer comes close.
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/fms.htm
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Ada5640x480.jpg
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Ada1640x480.jpg
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Ada2640x480.jpg
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Page.html
http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/chebac17.htm
Patrick Crockett wrote:
a motor its an engine. On the other hand a trolling motor is a motor as
it is electric and does not recipricate so it's a motor. The mount for
it is a motor mount. After saying this they are all motors to me.
Doug
>I guess this is a little knit picky but and outboard moter is not really
> It just occurred to me to wonder -- why do we hang an outboard motor off
> an engine mount? Shouldn't it be a motor mount?
>
> Patrick
>
> graeme19121984 wrote:
> > Birdwatcher 1 or 2 - you could build-in the fore or aft half to meet
> > the requirement of having an enclosed cabin. The usual engine mount
> > added on BW1.
> >
>
>
a motor its an engine. On the other hand a trolling motor is a motor as
it is electric and does not recipricate so it's a motor. The mount for
it is a motor mount. After saying this they are all motors to me.
Doug
It just occurred to me to wonder -- why do we hang an outboard motor off
an engine mount? Shouldn't it be a motor mount?
Patrick
graeme19121984 wrote:
an engine mount? Shouldn't it be a motor mount?
Patrick
graeme19121984 wrote:
> Birdwatcher 1 or 2 - you could build-in the fore or aft half to meet
> the requirement of having an enclosed cabin. The usual engine mount
> added on BW1.
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@...> wrote:
the requirement of having an enclosed cabin. The usual engine mount
added on BW1.
Anhinga - technically superceded by BW, but it has the 11'/12' cabin.
Similar engine mount as above.
Tennessee, Idaho or some such power boat for the Thompson run and as
a base for around the lake for subsequent months from which to watch
all that amazing desert life stuff happen. A downwind sail/kite might
be possible. Not for an outside coastal hop including, I would think,
inside the reef even on a good weather prospect.
<snip>
shared air support expenses, emergency back-up, navigating the maze
of anabranches, channels etc
I've thought a little about a keel-less Micro for this one...
Darrell, shouldn't we be out there now? I heard another El Nino
pattern is due to take hold from later this year - if so, there'll be
plenty of time to plan and be ready to go next time at the drop of a
hat.
Graeme
>Birdwatcher 1 or 2 - you could build-in the fore or aft half to meet
> Hello all -
> Trying to get some advice/suggestions on designs for a boat for the
> following uses/characteristics...
the requirement of having an enclosed cabin. The usual engine mount
added on BW1.
Anhinga - technically superceded by BW, but it has the 11'/12' cabin.
Similar engine mount as above.
Tennessee, Idaho or some such power boat for the Thompson run and as
a base for around the lake for subsequent months from which to watch
all that amazing desert life stuff happen. A downwind sail/kite might
be possible. Not for an outside coastal hop including, I would think,
inside the reef even on a good weather prospect.
<snip>
> Another little project for this job is to cruise down theThis would be really good for many done in some kind of loose convoy:
> Thompson from Longreach to Lake Eyre on a flood. 3-4 months and only
> one half a town on the way. Pick up supplies dropped of by air at
> stations.
shared air support expenses, emergency back-up, navigating the maze
of anabranches, channels etc
I've thought a little about a keel-less Micro for this one...
Darrell, shouldn't we be out there now? I heard another El Nino
pattern is due to take hold from later this year - if so, there'll be
plenty of time to plan and be ready to go next time at the drop of a
hat.
> Gourgmaran - A little long and not much shelterWhat's "Gourgmaran"?
Graeme
Some more thoughts for your comment
Trailering - Mono probably best, fit between wheels, lower launching
height. Tri next best if floats are higher than main hull and sit over
wheels. Cat, only option to keep low on trailer is to have wheels
inside hulls, less stable
For overall height Tri and Mono best/lowest as hull bottom becomes
sole whereas Cat standing room measures from bridge deck
To keep overall height down (windage/trilering) am thinking about
fixed deck sides to sitting headroom with pop top/slot to standing
head room. Walkway up the middle, bench seats both sides, become
berths, 11/12'enclosed cabin including helm and galley in addition to
berths and head
Thanks Darrell
Trailering - Mono probably best, fit between wheels, lower launching
height. Tri next best if floats are higher than main hull and sit over
wheels. Cat, only option to keep low on trailer is to have wheels
inside hulls, less stable
For overall height Tri and Mono best/lowest as hull bottom becomes
sole whereas Cat standing room measures from bridge deck
To keep overall height down (windage/trilering) am thinking about
fixed deck sides to sitting headroom with pop top/slot to standing
head room. Walkway up the middle, bench seats both sides, become
berths, 11/12'enclosed cabin including helm and galley in addition to
berths and head
Thanks Darrell
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all -
> Trying to get some advice/suggestions on designs for a boat for the
> following uses/characteristics :
> -Trailerable with a medium 4WD.
> -Camp in whilst driving to and from.
> -Able to coastal hop on a good day.
> -Handle a gentle bar.
> -Unsinkable. Plenty of flotation and sealed bulkheads.
> -Predominately motor (semi displacement) very economically at 10 with
> minimum wake and possibly able to sail downwind, perhaps with a kite.
> -Easy getting on and off, I climb down
> off the back of a truck now rather than leap and bound.
> -Stand up head.
> -Big berth, I'm 6'4" and a bit and I spread out.
> -Galley, fridge/freezer.
> -Prop won't come out of water on a wave.
> -Good security for grand kids and dog to run around on.
> -some open deck for and aft
> -Solar panels to charge batteries.
> -Fuel, water, batteries and general heavy stuff low down in hulls
> -Able to shut up /close down and hide if it gets cold and/or roughish.
> -Needs to be able to dodge sand flies and centipedes if necessary.
> -Mostly used protected/semi water, Sandy Straits, Hervey Bay,Myall
> Lakes, Hawkesbury, Qld coast and islands, even on the ferry across to
> Tasmania, the Gulf and Top End, Kimberleys. You know the normal stuff.
> I just want it all.
> Another little project for this job is to cruise down the
> Thompson from Longreach to Lake Eyre on a flood. 3-4 months and only
> one half a town on the way. Pick up supplies dropped of by air at
> stations. This is where the centipedes come into the story.
> The kind of jobs I've looked at are:
> Bantam - A little short and not sure about wave handling
> Topaz - perhaps a tad long and heavy
> Gourgmaran - A little long and not much shelter
>
> From this loose outline is something possible? Waddayareckon.
> Any info or advice much appreciated.
> Thank you. - Darrell
>
Hello David
Mostly sub tropical
Mostly semi protected
All year round
Must have very shallow draught
11/12' enclosed cabin
Thanks - Darrell
Mostly sub tropical
Mostly semi protected
All year round
Must have very shallow draught
11/12' enclosed cabin
Thanks - Darrell
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@...> wrote:
>
> Darrell,
>
> Looks like you've been doing some thinking on the matter. One more bit
> of info - if you would. What waters will you be in, and what seasons?
>
> Cheers,
> David G
>
> ***************
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all -
> > Trying to get some advice/suggestions on designs for a boat for the
> > following uses/characteristics :
> > -Trailerable with a medium 4WD.
> > -Camp in whilst driving to and from.
> > -Able to coastal hop on a good day.
> > -Handle a gentle bar.
> > -Unsinkable. Plenty of flotation and sealed bulkheads.
> > -Predominately motor (semi displacement) very economically at 10 with
> > minimum wake and possibly able to sail downwind, perhaps with a kite.
> > -Easy getting on and off, I climb down
> > off the back of a truck now rather than leap and bound.
> > -Stand up head.
> > -Big berth, I'm 6'4" and a bit and I spread out.
> > -Galley, fridge/freezer.
> > -Prop won't come out of water on a wave.
> > -Good security for grand kids and dog to run around on.
> > -some open deck for and aft
> > -Solar panels to charge batteries.
> > -Fuel, water, batteries and general heavy stuff low down in hulls
> > -Able to shut up /close down and hide if it gets cold and/or roughish.
> > -Needs to be able to dodge sand flies and centipedes if necessary.
> > -Mostly used protected/semi water, Sandy Straits, Hervey Bay,Myall
> > Lakes, Hawkesbury, Qld coast and islands, even on the ferry across to
> > Tasmania, the Gulf and Top End, Kimberleys. You know the normal stuff.
> > I just want it all.
> > Another little project for this job is to cruise down the
> > Thompson from Longreach to Lake Eyre on a flood. 3-4 months and only
> > one half a town on the way. Pick up supplies dropped of by air at
> > stations. This is where the centipedes come into the story.
> > The kind of jobs I've looked at are:
> > Bantam - A little short and not sure about wave handling
> > Topaz - perhaps a tad long and heavy
> > Gourgmaran - A little long and not much shelter
> >
> > From this loose outline is something possible? Waddayareckon.
> > Any info or advice much appreciated.
> > Thank you. - Darrell
> >
>
Darrell,
Looks like you've been doing some thinking on the matter. One more bit
of info - if you would. What waters will you be in, and what seasons?
Cheers,
David G
***************
Looks like you've been doing some thinking on the matter. One more bit
of info - if you would. What waters will you be in, and what seasons?
Cheers,
David G
***************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hobyarr" <knic0014@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all -
> Trying to get some advice/suggestions on designs for a boat for the
> following uses/characteristics :
> -Trailerable with a medium 4WD.
> -Camp in whilst driving to and from.
> -Able to coastal hop on a good day.
> -Handle a gentle bar.
> -Unsinkable. Plenty of flotation and sealed bulkheads.
> -Predominately motor (semi displacement) very economically at 10 with
> minimum wake and possibly able to sail downwind, perhaps with a kite.
> -Easy getting on and off, I climb down
> off the back of a truck now rather than leap and bound.
> -Stand up head.
> -Big berth, I'm 6'4" and a bit and I spread out.
> -Galley, fridge/freezer.
> -Prop won't come out of water on a wave.
> -Good security for grand kids and dog to run around on.
> -some open deck for and aft
> -Solar panels to charge batteries.
> -Fuel, water, batteries and general heavy stuff low down in hulls
> -Able to shut up /close down and hide if it gets cold and/or roughish.
> -Needs to be able to dodge sand flies and centipedes if necessary.
> -Mostly used protected/semi water, Sandy Straits, Hervey Bay,Myall
> Lakes, Hawkesbury, Qld coast and islands, even on the ferry across to
> Tasmania, the Gulf and Top End, Kimberleys. You know the normal stuff.
> I just want it all.
> Another little project for this job is to cruise down the
> Thompson from Longreach to Lake Eyre on a flood. 3-4 months and only
> one half a town on the way. Pick up supplies dropped of by air at
> stations. This is where the centipedes come into the story.
> The kind of jobs I've looked at are:
> Bantam - A little short and not sure about wave handling
> Topaz - perhaps a tad long and heavy
> Gourgmaran - A little long and not much shelter
>
> From this loose outline is something possible? Waddayareckon.
> Any info or advice much appreciated.
> Thank you. - Darrell
>
Hello all -
Trying to get some advice/suggestions on designs for a boat for the
following uses/characteristics :
-Trailerable with a medium 4WD.
-Camp in whilst driving to and from.
-Able to coastal hop on a good day.
-Handle a gentle bar.
-Unsinkable. Plenty of flotation and sealed bulkheads.
-Predominately motor (semi displacement) very economically at 10 with
minimum wake and possibly able to sail downwind, perhaps with a kite.
-Easy getting on and off, I climb down
off the back of a truck now rather than leap and bound.
-Stand up head.
-Big berth, I'm 6'4" and a bit and I spread out.
-Galley, fridge/freezer.
-Prop won't come out of water on a wave.
-Good security for grand kids and dog to run around on.
-some open deck for and aft
-Solar panels to charge batteries.
-Fuel, water, batteries and general heavy stuff low down in hulls
-Able to shut up /close down and hide if it gets cold and/or roughish.
-Needs to be able to dodge sand flies and centipedes if necessary.
-Mostly used protected/semi water, Sandy Straits, Hervey Bay,Myall
Lakes, Hawkesbury, Qld coast and islands, even on the ferry across to
Tasmania, the Gulf and Top End, Kimberleys. You know the normal stuff.
I just want it all.
Another little project for this job is to cruise down the
Thompson from Longreach to Lake Eyre on a flood. 3-4 months and only
one half a town on the way. Pick up supplies dropped of by air at
stations. This is where the centipedes come into the story.
The kind of jobs I've looked at are:
Bantam - A little short and not sure about wave handling
Topaz - perhaps a tad long and heavy
Gourgmaran - A little long and not much shelter
From this loose outline is something possible? Waddayareckon.
Any info or advice much appreciated.
Thank you. - Darrell
Trying to get some advice/suggestions on designs for a boat for the
following uses/characteristics :
-Trailerable with a medium 4WD.
-Camp in whilst driving to and from.
-Able to coastal hop on a good day.
-Handle a gentle bar.
-Unsinkable. Plenty of flotation and sealed bulkheads.
-Predominately motor (semi displacement) very economically at 10 with
minimum wake and possibly able to sail downwind, perhaps with a kite.
-Easy getting on and off, I climb down
off the back of a truck now rather than leap and bound.
-Stand up head.
-Big berth, I'm 6'4" and a bit and I spread out.
-Galley, fridge/freezer.
-Prop won't come out of water on a wave.
-Good security for grand kids and dog to run around on.
-some open deck for and aft
-Solar panels to charge batteries.
-Fuel, water, batteries and general heavy stuff low down in hulls
-Able to shut up /close down and hide if it gets cold and/or roughish.
-Needs to be able to dodge sand flies and centipedes if necessary.
-Mostly used protected/semi water, Sandy Straits, Hervey Bay,Myall
Lakes, Hawkesbury, Qld coast and islands, even on the ferry across to
Tasmania, the Gulf and Top End, Kimberleys. You know the normal stuff.
I just want it all.
Another little project for this job is to cruise down the
Thompson from Longreach to Lake Eyre on a flood. 3-4 months and only
one half a town on the way. Pick up supplies dropped of by air at
stations. This is where the centipedes come into the story.
The kind of jobs I've looked at are:
Bantam - A little short and not sure about wave handling
Topaz - perhaps a tad long and heavy
Gourgmaran - A little long and not much shelter
From this loose outline is something possible? Waddayareckon.
Any info or advice much appreciated.
Thank you. - Darrell
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five children...he wasn't interested. I had planned out two Bricks with
the stern extended out straight, rather than rockered up, as PCB
mentioned. He didn't think the increased drag would hurt too much; I
thought it would really simplify bolting the two stern to stern for a
schooner, without the added storage section shown in BWOM.
Thinking about it now, imagine two of these schooners with a deck
between them...a 16x16 catamaran...or add an additional 8 foot straight
section in each schooner to make them 24 feet long, and deck them over
for water tightness. One or two masts (or one in each corner!) with a
hard deck...what a party boat!
Brick Mania!
Curtis in /\/\onTana, at least one Brick Shyvaload! {!-{P
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