Re: Piroque?
John,
Lots of good info plus kits etc. for traditional looking pirogues at
Uncle John's General Storehttp://www.unclejohns.com/boat/They
offer kits but, as you can tell from the drawings, you can easily
work from scratch.
Also the Duck Hunter's Boat Pagehttp://www.duckboats.net/has much
on pirogues and related marsh/swamp boats including a forum where you
can find a number of people who are quite knowledgeable about this
type of boat.
About 10 yrs ago I built the Bolger-CSD (now CSB) Pirogue, lengthened
a bit, and it's our most used lake, river and protected coastal water
boat. Plenty stable for poling. I've described it here in the past.
Steve
Lots of good info plus kits etc. for traditional looking pirogues at
Uncle John's General Storehttp://www.unclejohns.com/boat/They
offer kits but, as you can tell from the drawings, you can easily
work from scratch.
Also the Duck Hunter's Boat Pagehttp://www.duckboats.net/has much
on pirogues and related marsh/swamp boats including a forum where you
can find a number of people who are quite knowledgeable about this
type of boat.
About 10 yrs ago I built the Bolger-CSD (now CSB) Pirogue, lengthened
a bit, and it's our most used lake, river and protected coastal water
boat. Plenty stable for poling. I've described it here in the past.
Steve
I had a pirogue from the time I was 13 till I graduated from college
and I paddled her all over the swamps and marshes near my home in
Lousianna. She was made of marine plywood with cypress framing and
is still around at my cousin's house in New Orleans. I didn't build
her, but from my recent experience in building boats, I would say a
pirogue
is about the easiest thing you could build. As far as stability, a
big heavy canoe is definately more stable, but because of its flat
bottom, you can take a pirogue places a canoe wouldn't go. The
stability isn't a problem for most people.
Duck hunters in Louisiana mostly use pirogues to get to their
blinds. I've seen a 12' pirogue loaded dow with a 200lb man, gun,
ammo, thermos, lunchbox and decoys paddling through the marsh without
any problems.
Bolger and Michalak have pirogue variants that add some nice features
to the traditional design like boyancy and storage.
That reminds me about the "checking" discussing. My pirogue was
painted with oil based paint (I think) and it checked like crazy with
little fine cracks every 1/4" or so. This happened pretty early on
in its lifespan and it never caused any rot. The boat was stored
both outside and inside over the years.
Frank
and I paddled her all over the swamps and marshes near my home in
Lousianna. She was made of marine plywood with cypress framing and
is still around at my cousin's house in New Orleans. I didn't build
her, but from my recent experience in building boats, I would say a
pirogue
is about the easiest thing you could build. As far as stability, a
big heavy canoe is definately more stable, but because of its flat
bottom, you can take a pirogue places a canoe wouldn't go. The
stability isn't a problem for most people.
Duck hunters in Louisiana mostly use pirogues to get to their
blinds. I've seen a 12' pirogue loaded dow with a 200lb man, gun,
ammo, thermos, lunchbox and decoys paddling through the marsh without
any problems.
Bolger and Michalak have pirogue variants that add some nice features
to the traditional design like boyancy and storage.
That reminds me about the "checking" discussing. My pirogue was
painted with oil based paint (I think) and it checked like crazy with
little fine cracks every 1/4" or so. This happened pretty early on
in its lifespan and it never caused any rot. The boat was stored
both outside and inside over the years.
Frank
--- In bolger@y..., "John" <johnrhea@e...> wrote:
> Hi
> I have been considering building a Pirogue like craft, its
planed use would be in basically calm waters, and would be paddles,
rowed, sailed or electrically driven, depending on my moods and
interest at the time. But, as I read more about them I become more
concerned about their stability or instability if you will. Are they
any less stable than a canoe or kayak of their approximate size and
weight, have I misunderstood that they all basically share the some
of the same qualities and pitfalls. I like it's easy and simplicity
of construction and basic looks as well as its ability to morph into
different boats as my moods change. my construction space is
litimited to working outdoors and under an awning, as I am a full
time RV'er, as for tools saber saw, drill, hammer, and a few odds and
ends, weight and space are always at a premium in a RV as on a boat.
It will remain out doors upside down under the awning when not in use
and squeezed into the RV when traveling, something my wife is almost
excited about as you can well imagine..... Huh, Women, go figure!
> Thanks in advance for any responses.
> John P.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I'm feeling philosophical today, so look out. (-;
Build it. Use it.
You could be on the water by the time this thread is finished.
You have already describe why you should build it.
All boats have compromises. A "Sphere" will not "Capsize", but
would be more difficult to build, and doesn't "Point" very high.
I have been looking for the "Perfect Boat" all my life,
and not found it.
I have, on the other hand, built and owned many boats, and
enjoyed almost all of them. The ones I did not enjoy,
I learned from. (Wish I hadn't built it like "That".)
"Pirogue like craft" have been around since shortly after "Logs"
and "Hollowed Out Logs", and are still used by millions of
people every day.
Few of those people ever consider or care that the boat they
are using is a "compromise". It is simply their boat, a tool,
that allows them to do the things they do.
With time, and experience, they "Know", the "Compromises", or
limitations of their boats. They live within them, but because
of their experience, are able to do things with them that
you or I probable would not. I would not want to go out
today and stand in the back of a "Pirogue" and propel it
with a pole. But, millions do. They have been doing it
all their lives, and few capsize.
A Pirogue is a simple craft. Build it that way.
Build it. Use it. Learn from it. Enjoy.
The "Perfect Boat" is the one you use.
Peace
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
ps
In my Philosophical bent. "Huh, Women, go figure!"
All Women or Wives don't hate, or "Just tolerate us"
building and using small boats. Many enjoy and help,
or we help them.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/MembersBoats/Pat%
20Patteson%27s%20Boats/Rapid%20Robert/Kay-Stelhed-Molalla-River.JPG
Does my wife look unhappy? Go figure.
Build it. Use it.
You could be on the water by the time this thread is finished.
You have already describe why you should build it.
All boats have compromises. A "Sphere" will not "Capsize", but
would be more difficult to build, and doesn't "Point" very high.
I have been looking for the "Perfect Boat" all my life,
and not found it.
I have, on the other hand, built and owned many boats, and
enjoyed almost all of them. The ones I did not enjoy,
I learned from. (Wish I hadn't built it like "That".)
"Pirogue like craft" have been around since shortly after "Logs"
and "Hollowed Out Logs", and are still used by millions of
people every day.
Few of those people ever consider or care that the boat they
are using is a "compromise". It is simply their boat, a tool,
that allows them to do the things they do.
With time, and experience, they "Know", the "Compromises", or
limitations of their boats. They live within them, but because
of their experience, are able to do things with them that
you or I probable would not. I would not want to go out
today and stand in the back of a "Pirogue" and propel it
with a pole. But, millions do. They have been doing it
all their lives, and few capsize.
A Pirogue is a simple craft. Build it that way.
Build it. Use it. Learn from it. Enjoy.
The "Perfect Boat" is the one you use.
Peace
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
ps
In my Philosophical bent. "Huh, Women, go figure!"
All Women or Wives don't hate, or "Just tolerate us"
building and using small boats. Many enjoy and help,
or we help them.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/MembersBoats/Pat%
20Patteson%27s%20Boats/Rapid%20Robert/Kay-Stelhed-Molalla-River.JPG
Does my wife look unhappy? Go figure.
--- In bolger@y..., "John" <johnrhea@e...> wrote:
> Hi
> I have been considering building a Pirogue like craft, its
planed use would be in basically calm waters, and would be paddles,
rowed, sailed or electrically driven, depending on my moods and
interest at the time. But, as I read more about them I become more
concerned about their stability or instability if you will. Are they
any less stable than a canoe or kayak of their approximate size and
weight, have I misunderstood that they all basically share the some
of the same qualities and pitfalls. I like it's easy and simplicity
of construction and basic looks as well as its ability to morph into
different boats as my moods change. my construction space is
litimited to working outdoors and under an awning, as I am a full
time RV'er, as for tools saber saw, drill, hammer, and a few odds and
ends, weight and space are always at a premium in a RV as on a boat.
It will remain out doors upside down under the awning when not in use
and squeezed into the RV when traveling, something my wife is almost
excited about as you can well imagine..... Huh, Women, go figure!
> Thanks in advance for any responses.
> John P.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi
I have been considering building a Pirogue like craft, its planed use would be in basically calm waters, and would be paddles, rowed, sailed or electrically driven, depending on my moods and interest at the time. But, as I read more about them I become more concerned about their stability or instability if you will. Are they any less stable than a canoe or kayak of their approximate size and weight, have I misunderstood that they all basically share the some of the same qualities and pitfalls. I like it's easy and simplicity of construction and basic looks as well as its ability to morph into different boats as my moods change. my construction space is litimited to working outdoors and under an awning, as I am a full time RV'er, as for tools saber saw, drill, hammer, and a few odds and ends, weight and space are always at a premium in a RV as on a boat. It will remain out doors upside down under the awning when not in use and squeezed into the RV when traveling, something my wife is almost excited about as you can well imagine..... Huh, Women, go figure!
Thanks in advance for any responses.
John P.
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I have been considering building a Pirogue like craft, its planed use would be in basically calm waters, and would be paddles, rowed, sailed or electrically driven, depending on my moods and interest at the time. But, as I read more about them I become more concerned about their stability or instability if you will. Are they any less stable than a canoe or kayak of their approximate size and weight, have I misunderstood that they all basically share the some of the same qualities and pitfalls. I like it's easy and simplicity of construction and basic looks as well as its ability to morph into different boats as my moods change. my construction space is litimited to working outdoors and under an awning, as I am a full time RV'er, as for tools saber saw, drill, hammer, and a few odds and ends, weight and space are always at a premium in a RV as on a boat. It will remain out doors upside down under the awning when not in use and squeezed into the RV when traveling, something my wife is almost excited about as you can well imagine..... Huh, Women, go figure!
Thanks in advance for any responses.
John P.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]