Re: Micro vs. Long Micro
Aah......THAT Long Micro! Why didn't you say so :-)......
Just kidding Bruce! I remember seeing her too and wondered whether the
cabin was a builder/owner inspired addition or something from our
HERO.
Anything to get standing headroom in such a small boat is always neat
and certainly the square look is not everyones cup of tea but stikes
my eye as no-nonsense-workable.
The scan you sent of that 35' scow is beautiful.Now there's a
live-a-board-all-summer-long kinda boat! Having the master stateroom
located forward directly over the noisiest part of the boat is
something I would change if she were mine."She goes BOOM,BOOM,BOOM,all
night long" as the song goes........
Instead,I would try to work in some sort of U shaped sitting
arrangement up forward and put the stateroom aft,perhaps right off the
companionway.
Glad to hear your MICRO is coming along although I know what you mean
by the cold temps putting a damper on work.I often dream of huge
heated indoor spaces for boatbuilding projects.Something along the
lines of some sort of co-op where a bunch of amateur boatbuilders get
together and share the rent on shop space. Here in Montréal,we have
thousands of square feet of space available in the many shut down
buildings left over from companies which fled to Ontario after 1976...
Unfortunately,there are not many amateur builders here willing to
engage in such an enterprise nor too many holding companies willing to
encourage this type of arrangement.
At any rate,thanks for those scans and continued success with your
MICRO.Perhaps a cruise down to Lake Champlain is in the works for next
summers BOLGER MESSABOUT? What an adventure that would be!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,feeling the cold and wondering when the white stuff will
get here,on the shores of the St.Lawrence..............
Just kidding Bruce! I remember seeing her too and wondered whether the
cabin was a builder/owner inspired addition or something from our
HERO.
Anything to get standing headroom in such a small boat is always neat
and certainly the square look is not everyones cup of tea but stikes
my eye as no-nonsense-workable.
The scan you sent of that 35' scow is beautiful.Now there's a
live-a-board-all-summer-long kinda boat! Having the master stateroom
located forward directly over the noisiest part of the boat is
something I would change if she were mine."She goes BOOM,BOOM,BOOM,all
night long" as the song goes........
Instead,I would try to work in some sort of U shaped sitting
arrangement up forward and put the stateroom aft,perhaps right off the
companionway.
Glad to hear your MICRO is coming along although I know what you mean
by the cold temps putting a damper on work.I often dream of huge
heated indoor spaces for boatbuilding projects.Something along the
lines of some sort of co-op where a bunch of amateur boatbuilders get
together and share the rent on shop space. Here in Montréal,we have
thousands of square feet of space available in the many shut down
buildings left over from companies which fled to Ontario after 1976...
Unfortunately,there are not many amateur builders here willing to
engage in such an enterprise nor too many holding companies willing to
encourage this type of arrangement.
At any rate,thanks for those scans and continued success with your
MICRO.Perhaps a cruise down to Lake Champlain is in the works for next
summers BOLGER MESSABOUT? What an adventure that would be!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,feeling the cold and wondering when the white stuff will
get here,on the shores of the St.Lawrence..............
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> Hi Petre,
>
> No, I did mean a glass house Long Micro, I've posted a scan to
> Bolger2 of her. I know Bob Cushing and have been on his Chebacco 20
> Motorsailer, I also have the plans for it, Long Micro and Micro as I
> couildn't easily decide which small sail boat to build either. I
went
> through this debated in my mind a year and a half ago. Many an
> evening was spent pouring over the three sets before I decided
> on "Riff_Raff". My Micro hull is outside under wraps, patiently
> waiting for warmer weather, inside fitting out and hopefull an early
> launch next year.
>
> Bruce Hector
> www.brucesboats.com
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "ellengaestboatbuildingcom" <ellengaest@b...>
> wrote:
> > Hi Bruce,
> > Me again,you might want to try this link to Chebacco News,issue
> > number 24 for some nice pictures of Bob Cushings Chabacco
> > Motorsailor.Is this the "long Micro Navigator" you saw?
> >
> >http://www.chebacco.com/
> >
> > It is a nice looking boat with what appears very good comfort
> > levels built right into her.
> > Sincerely,
> > Peter Lenihan,just trying to be helpful,from the shores of the
> chilly
> > St.Lawrence.............
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> >
> > The photo of the Long Micro with the glass
> > > house I saw looked much the same.....only longer.
> > >
> > > Bruce Hector
Hi Petre,
No, I did mean a glass house Long Micro, I've posted a scan to
Bolger2 of her. I know Bob Cushing and have been on his Chebacco 20
Motorsailer, I also have the plans for it, Long Micro and Micro as I
couildn't easily decide which small sail boat to build either. I went
through this debated in my mind a year and a half ago. Many an
evening was spent pouring over the three sets before I decided
on "Riff_Raff". My Micro hull is outside under wraps, patiently
waiting for warmer weather, inside fitting out and hopefull an early
launch next year.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
--- In bolger@y..., "ellengaestboatbuildingcom" <ellengaest@b...>
wrote:
No, I did mean a glass house Long Micro, I've posted a scan to
Bolger2 of her. I know Bob Cushing and have been on his Chebacco 20
Motorsailer, I also have the plans for it, Long Micro and Micro as I
couildn't easily decide which small sail boat to build either. I went
through this debated in my mind a year and a half ago. Many an
evening was spent pouring over the three sets before I decided
on "Riff_Raff". My Micro hull is outside under wraps, patiently
waiting for warmer weather, inside fitting out and hopefull an early
launch next year.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
--- In bolger@y..., "ellengaestboatbuildingcom" <ellengaest@b...>
wrote:
> Hi Bruce,chilly
> Me again,you might want to try this link to Chebacco News,issue
> number 24 for some nice pictures of Bob Cushings Chabacco
> Motorsailor.Is this the "long Micro Navigator" you saw?
>
>http://www.chebacco.com/
>
> It is a nice looking boat with what appears very good comfort
> levels built right into her.
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,just trying to be helpful,from the shores of the
> St.Lawrence.............
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
>
> The photo of the Long Micro with the glass
> > house I saw looked much the same.....only longer.
> >
> > Bruce Hector
Hi Bruce,
Me again,you might want to try this link to Chebacco News,issue
number 24 for some nice pictures of Bob Cushings Chabacco
Motorsailor.Is this the "long Micro Navigator" you saw?
http://www.chebacco.com/
It is a nice looking boat with what appears very good comfort
levels built right into her.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,just trying to be helpful,from the shores of the chilly
St.Lawrence.............
Me again,you might want to try this link to Chebacco News,issue
number 24 for some nice pictures of Bob Cushings Chabacco
Motorsailor.Is this the "long Micro Navigator" you saw?
http://www.chebacco.com/
It is a nice looking boat with what appears very good comfort
levels built right into her.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,just trying to be helpful,from the shores of the chilly
St.Lawrence.............
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
The photo of the Long Micro with the glass
> house I saw looked much the same.....only longer.
>
> Bruce Hector
Hi Bruce,
I think the boat you are wondering about is the Chebacco
Motorsailor version."Glass house" like the Navigator but on the classy
Chebacco hull.
But then again,only you know what you saw in MAIB.........
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,from the shores of the mighty St.Lawrence........
I think the boat you are wondering about is the Chebacco
Motorsailor version."Glass house" like the Navigator but on the classy
Chebacco hull.
But then again,only you know what you saw in MAIB.........
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,from the shores of the mighty St.Lawrence........
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> I just posted PB&F's layout of the Micro Navigator to the Bolger
> Scans file in Bolger2. The photo of the Long Micro with the glass
> house I saw looked much the same.....only longer.
>
> Bruce Hector
I just posted PB&F's layout of the Micro Navigator to the Bolger
Scans file in Bolger2. The photo of the Long Micro with the glass
house I saw looked much the same.....only longer.
Bruce Hector
Scans file in Bolger2. The photo of the Long Micro with the glass
house I saw looked much the same.....only longer.
Bruce Hector
John, we have been discussing the Long Micro sailboat. I don't even know
whether the navigator version exists. Tom
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There was a photo ad of a Long Micro with a small glass house for
sale in Messing About in Boats about a year ago. Perhaps this was a
Navigator version. I saw it but never called, having already decided
on the smaller standard Micro version for myself. Don't forget the
daily savings on marina, park, mooring and transient docking fees in
the shorter version. If you're serious about a LM Navigator write the
wizard (PCB&F) and ask him.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
sale in Messing About in Boats about a year ago. Perhaps this was a
Navigator version. I saw it but never called, having already decided
on the smaller standard Micro version for myself. Don't forget the
daily savings on marina, park, mooring and transient docking fees in
the shorter version. If you're serious about a LM Navigator write the
wizard (PCB&F) and ask him.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
--- In bolger@y..., JohnSpoering@a... wrote:
time, there was a lot of positive comments about Long Micro and the
thought of a Navigator version seemed like the next step. My
apologies. Don Peters, in Maui, on the shores of the Pacific.
> Hi All -much about ?
> Where can we see the Long Micro Navigator I hear so
>Sorry Jack. I injected a rumor about a Long Micro Navigator. At the
> Aloha - Jack Spoering
>
>
time, there was a lot of positive comments about Long Micro and the
thought of a Navigator version seemed like the next step. My
apologies. Don Peters, in Maui, on the shores of the Pacific.
Hi All -
Where can we see the Long Micro Navigator I hear so much about ?
Aloha - Jack Spoering
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Tom:
I installed cheap bilge pumps from Wal-Mart in my tanks and they empty them in 5 minutes. It takes about the same to fill them. I slop a bit of bleach in them after each use, then open the ports when I get home, and allow to air dry. So far they are perfectly clean.
Chuck
I installed cheap bilge pumps from Wal-Mart in my tanks and they empty them in 5 minutes. It takes about the same to fill them. I slop a bit of bleach in them after each use, then open the ports when I get home, and allow to air dry. So far they are perfectly clean.
Chuck
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From: Tom Welther
To: Bolger
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:06 AM
Subject: [bolger] Micro vs. Long Micro
Dear Fellow Sailors,
Thanks a bunch for your truly thoughtful and constructive advice as to
the Micro and the Long Micro. I haven't made up my mind yet. Chuck, yes
you have muddied the water. Speaking of water, how quickly can you empty
the water tanks on Martha Jane or Caprice, and how long does it take to
fill them? If you sail a lot in salt water, will doing so clog up your
system and having you end up with less balast than required?And yes
David, you are right too. The smaller the boat, the more it will be
sailed. Bill, the bunks are way over 6'2". Americans are often big and
tall people. A designer of Bolger's calibre wouldn't screw up on that
one I would hope. Again, thanks fellows. Tom
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Tom, personally, I think there are designs far more suitable for
trailering than Micro or Long Micro. I have built a Micro, and also
an 18' water ballasted trailer sailer, and know which I would prefer
for that usage.
The Micro keel I don't think could be recommended for regular
trailering..it would not be up to it unless modified.
Steeping and unstepping the mast is not for the faint-hearted. And
the Long Micro tabernacle version would stick far out behind on the
road.
Both boats are designed to be moored or docked.
Did you ever see Chuck Merrell and Bernie Wolfard's
comments ?..."Micro is more than enough boat for 95% of all
boaters"...Long Micro is for the other 5%"
However, having said that, if your heart rules your head, like me,
real needs can be shaped to fit the heart!
Good Luck
DonB
trailering than Micro or Long Micro. I have built a Micro, and also
an 18' water ballasted trailer sailer, and know which I would prefer
for that usage.
The Micro keel I don't think could be recommended for regular
trailering..it would not be up to it unless modified.
Steeping and unstepping the mast is not for the faint-hearted. And
the Long Micro tabernacle version would stick far out behind on the
road.
Both boats are designed to be moored or docked.
Did you ever see Chuck Merrell and Bernie Wolfard's
comments ?..."Micro is more than enough boat for 95% of all
boaters"...Long Micro is for the other 5%"
However, having said that, if your heart rules your head, like me,
real needs can be shaped to fit the heart!
Good Luck
DonB
> Having (been)discovered (by) the Micro some time back, I havedecided
> that I would like to build one; however, this popular design comesin
> two versions, the regular and the long one. First, may heart wasset on
> the regular-sized Micro; however, now I'm beginning to waver andasking
> myself whether I shouldn't strike out for the long version. To helpme
> in making a decision, I would truly appreciate any constructiveinput
> you might be able to give me concerning the following points:
>
> * How difficult is it to trailer the long Micro?
> Tom (Welther)
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Dear Fellow Sailors,
Thanks a bunch for your truly thoughtful and constructive advice as to
the Micro and the Long Micro. I haven't made up my mind yet. Chuck, yes
you have muddied the water. Speaking of water, how quickly can you empty
the water tanks on Martha Jane or Caprice, and how long does it take to
fill them? If you sail a lot in salt water, will doing so clog up your
system and having you end up with less balast than required?And yes
David, you are right too. The smaller the boat, the more it will be
sailed. Bill, the bunks are way over 6'2". Americans are often big and
tall people. A designer of Bolger's calibre wouldn't screw up on that
one I would hope. Again, thanks fellows. Tom
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Thanks a bunch for your truly thoughtful and constructive advice as to
the Micro and the Long Micro. I haven't made up my mind yet. Chuck, yes
you have muddied the water. Speaking of water, how quickly can you empty
the water tanks on Martha Jane or Caprice, and how long does it take to
fill them? If you sail a lot in salt water, will doing so clog up your
system and having you end up with less balast than required?And yes
David, you are right too. The smaller the boat, the more it will be
sailed. Bill, the bunks are way over 6'2". Americans are often big and
tall people. A designer of Bolger's calibre wouldn't screw up on that
one I would hope. Again, thanks fellows. Tom
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Tom:
I hate to muddy the water, but I have sailed on the Texas coast a lot, and I would not build a fixed keel boat for that part of the world. There is just too much skinny water. If I were you, I would look at Bolger's Martha Jane, or (pardon the blasphemy) Michalak's Caprice, which is an MJ done right. These are a bit roomier than a Micro, but because of the water ballast and leeboards are as light to trailer and have much shallower draft. Their mast tabernacles make for easier setup, and they still enjoy the benefits of the cat ketch rig, and easy construction.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Micro a lot, and on the Highland lakes, one would be great, as there is plenty of deep water there. Same for the Gulf of Mexico, as long as you remember to batten the hatches. One sank off Corpus Christi a while back after it was pooped by a wave when its cockpit hatch was open. Ok, that is another thing I like about water ballasted boats - they are easy to make positively buoyant.
Chuck
I hate to muddy the water, but I have sailed on the Texas coast a lot, and I would not build a fixed keel boat for that part of the world. There is just too much skinny water. If I were you, I would look at Bolger's Martha Jane, or (pardon the blasphemy) Michalak's Caprice, which is an MJ done right. These are a bit roomier than a Micro, but because of the water ballast and leeboards are as light to trailer and have much shallower draft. Their mast tabernacles make for easier setup, and they still enjoy the benefits of the cat ketch rig, and easy construction.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Micro a lot, and on the Highland lakes, one would be great, as there is plenty of deep water there. Same for the Gulf of Mexico, as long as you remember to batten the hatches. One sank off Corpus Christi a while back after it was pooped by a wave when its cockpit hatch was open. Ok, that is another thing I like about water ballasted boats - they are easy to make positively buoyant.
Chuck
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From: Tom Welther
To: Bolger
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:21 AM
Subject: [bolger] Micro vs. Long Micro
Dear Fellow Sailors,
Having (been)discovered (by) the Micro some time back, I have decided
that I would like to build one; however, this popular design comes in
two versions, the regular and the long one. First, may heart was set on
the regular-sized Micro; however, now I'm beginning to waver and asking
myself whether I shouldn't strike out for the long version. To help me
in making a decision, I would truly appreciate any constructive input
you might be able to give me concerning the following points:
* How difficult is it to trailer the long Micro?
* How large of a towing vehicle would a person need to haul it out of
the water? I drive a 4 cylinder Nissan truck that is rated at a towing
capacity of 3500 lbs. Would that do it, or would I need more?
* Would it be realistic to build the long version of the Micro if the
prinicpal means of storing it would be on a trailer. In other words,
I'm
a trailer sailor and don't want to get stuck with a boat that needs to
be moored permanently.
*I understand that if the wind pipes up, reefing has to be done earlier
on the long version. Is the long version generally a less able craft in
strong winds than the regular version? Or will the advantage of two or
even three sets of reefing points balance the scale between the two
models in strong winds?
*Has anybody sailed both versions? If so, I would really appreciate
some
comparative instructions/input.
*Would it be hard to find a trailer for the long version?
*Finally, has anyone out there trailered the long version? If so, what
has it been like?
I have written to Peter, the intrepid arctic sailor and boat builder on
the mighty St. Lawrence, and he has really given me tons of valuable
input concerning the regular version of the Micro; thus, I'm really
well
informed about this boat. But I have only little info on the long
version, aside from the info I could find on the few webpages on the
long Micro.
My intentions are to do week-end cruises on lakes in Texas, the Laguna
Madre, and some coastal, fair-weather cruising on the Gulf of Mexico.
Essentially, I have been doing this with a little Potter-15, which is
basically a 14-foot dinghy with a cabin. This boat is a lot of fun and
quite seaworthy if the sailor knows what s/he is doing, but it's too
little to do anything beyond a one-night stay on the water for a couple
(my wife and me). With a kid or two, it would be really crowded.
Thanks guys for any info/input
Tom (Welther)
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I wrote PB&F earlier this year with a similar question. Let me quote
from his response.
"In our opinion and what we hear from owners, Long Micro is the better
value for the investment in money and effort. They are powerful good
sailors."
That is good enough for me.
Loy
from his response.
"In our opinion and what we hear from owners, Long Micro is the better
value for the investment in money and effort. They are powerful good
sailors."
That is good enough for me.
Loy
The bunks are 6'6" long. I have taken a nap in great comfort in
there (despite the boat being up on blocks). It is a great way to
spend an afternoon. Snoozing in the cabin while listening to the Red
Sox on the radio. Baseball and boatbuilding are a great combination.
Take Care,
David Jost
there (despite the boat being up on blocks). It is a great way to
spend an afternoon. Snoozing in the cabin while listening to the Red
Sox on the radio. Baseball and boatbuilding are a great combination.
Take Care,
David Jost
Thanks for posting, Tom. I've been eyeing the LM myself, and I'm
reading the responses with great interest.
Here's my question: How long are the bunks in the Micro? Being 6'2",
this is important to me.
Another Bill in MN.
reading the responses with great interest.
Here's my question: How long are the bunks in the Micro? Being 6'2",
this is important to me.
Another Bill in MN.
--- In bolger@y..., Tom Welther <tomw@u...> wrote:
> Dear Fellow Sailors,
>
> Having (been)discovered (by) the Micro some time back, I have
decided
> that I would like to build one; however, this popular design comes
in
> two versions, the regular and the long one. First, may heart was
set on
> the regular-sized Micro; however, now I'm beginning to waver and
asking
> myself whether I shouldn't strike out for the long version. To help
me
> in making a decision, I would truly appreciate any constructive
input
> you might be able to give me concerning the following points:
>
> * How difficult is it to trailer the long Micro?
> * How large of a towing vehicle would a person need to haul it out
of
> the water? I drive a 4 cylinder Nissan truck that is rated at a
towing
> capacity of 3500 lbs. Would that do it, or would I need more?
> * Would it be realistic to build the long version of the Micro if
the
> prinicpal means of storing it would be on a trailer. In other words,
> I'm
>
> a trailer sailor and don't want to get stuck with a boat that needs
to
> be moored permanently.
> *I understand that if the wind pipes up, reefing has to be done
earlier
> on the long version. Is the long version generally a less able
craft in
> strong winds than the regular version? Or will the advantage of two
or
> even three sets of reefing points balance the scale between the two
> models in strong winds?
> *Has anybody sailed both versions? If so, I would really appreciate
> some
>
> comparative instructions/input.
> *Would it be hard to find a trailer for the long version?
> *Finally, has anyone out there trailered the long version? If so,
what
> has it been like?
>
> I have written to Peter, the intrepid arctic sailor and boat
builder on
> the mighty St. Lawrence, and he has really given me tons of valuable
> input concerning the regular version of the Micro; thus, I'm really
> well
>
> informed about this boat. But I have only little info on the long
> version, aside from the info I could find on the few webpages on the
> long Micro.
> My intentions are to do week-end cruises on lakes in Texas, the
Laguna
> Madre, and some coastal, fair-weather cruising on the Gulf of
Mexico.
> Essentially, I have been doing this with a little Potter-15, which
is
> basically a 14-foot dinghy with a cabin. This boat is a lot of fun
and
> quite seaworthy if the sailor knows what s/he is doing, but it's too
> little to do anything beyond a one-night stay on the water for a
couple
> (my wife and me). With a kid or two, it would be really crowded.
>
> Thanks guys for any info/input
> Tom (Welther)
>
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Hi All -
I second Don's questions on Long Micro - Can we prospective
builders get some more practical info from those out -there-doing-it
"Longwise" ?
Aloha - Jack Spoering
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I second Don's questions on Long Micro - Can we prospective
builders get some more practical info from those out -there-doing-it
"Longwise" ?
Aloha - Jack Spoering
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Tom, you might want to read the posting regarding cat boats under the
subject:Summer Ease/Micro alteration. I must admit the weather helm
problems I mentioned do not become serious until the boats get to 20'
or more, I guess this is because people try harder to keep small boats
upright and the forces involved are much less. I don't trailering a
LM would be hard there a lots of 20' boats out there people to behind
small trucks. When I was younger my friends towed a 470 behind a VW
Bug to Kingston Ontario from Halifax NS we are talking about a 20 hour
drive straight. Looking at boats like the Lightning which people
trailer easily and the fact that the LM has water ballast you can
remove I would say you should have little problem there a small truck.
Try this site for more info and sailing characteristics etc.
http://www.znw.com/homepage/zephyr_faq.htm
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada
subject:Summer Ease/Micro alteration. I must admit the weather helm
problems I mentioned do not become serious until the boats get to 20'
or more, I guess this is because people try harder to keep small boats
upright and the forces involved are much less. I don't trailering a
LM would be hard there a lots of 20' boats out there people to behind
small trucks. When I was younger my friends towed a 470 behind a VW
Bug to Kingston Ontario from Halifax NS we are talking about a 20 hour
drive straight. Looking at boats like the Lightning which people
trailer easily and the fact that the LM has water ballast you can
remove I would say you should have little problem there a small truck.
Try this site for more info and sailing characteristics etc.
http://www.znw.com/homepage/zephyr_faq.htm
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada
I think that the reason LM needs to be reefed before
Micro has to do with the much (60-70%?) larger sail
plan on the Long Micro. In fact the LM should be
marginally more seaworthy due to its greater volume,
although any difference is far smaller than the
difference in skill from skipper to skipper.
Sam.
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Micro has to do with the much (60-70%?) larger sail
plan on the Long Micro. In fact the LM should be
marginally more seaworthy due to its greater volume,
although any difference is far smaller than the
difference in skill from skipper to skipper.
Sam.
--- Tom Welther <tomw@...> wrote:
> Dear Fellow Sailors,-----------------------------------------------------
>
> Having (been)discovered (by) the Micro some time
> back, I have decided
> that I would like to build one; however, this
> popular design comes in
> two versions, the regular and the long one. First,
> may heart was set on
> the regular-sized Micro; however, now I'm beginning
> to waver and asking
> myself whether I shouldn't strike out for the long
> version. To help me
> in making a decision, I would truly appreciate any
> constructive input
> you might be able to give me concerning the
> following points:
>
> * How difficult is it to trailer the long Micro?
> * How large of a towing vehicle would a person need
> to haul it out of
> the water? I drive a 4 cylinder Nissan truck that is
> rated at a towing
> capacity of 3500 lbs. Would that do it, or would I
> need more?
> * Would it be realistic to build the long version of
> the Micro if the
> prinicpal means of storing it would be on a trailer.
> In other words,
> I'm
>
> a trailer sailor and don't want to get stuck with a
> boat that needs to
> be moored permanently.
> *I understand that if the wind pipes up, reefing has
> to be done earlier
> on the long version. Is the long version generally a
> less able craft in
> strong winds than the regular version? Or will the
> advantage of two or
> even three sets of reefing points balance the scale
> between the two
> models in strong winds?
> *Has anybody sailed both versions? If so, I would
> really appreciate
> some
>
> comparative instructions/input.
> *Would it be hard to find a trailer for the long
> version?
> *Finally, has anyone out there trailered the long
> version? If so, what
> has it been like?
>
> I have written to Peter, the intrepid arctic sailor
> and boat builder on
> the mighty St. Lawrence, and he has really given me
> tons of valuable
> input concerning the regular version of the Micro;
> thus, I'm really
> well
>
> informed about this boat. But I have only little
> info on the long
> version, aside from the info I could find on the few
> webpages on the
> long Micro.
> My intentions are to do week-end cruises on lakes in
> Texas, the Laguna
> Madre, and some coastal, fair-weather cruising on
> the Gulf of Mexico.
> Essentially, I have been doing this with a little
> Potter-15, which is
> basically a 14-foot dinghy with a cabin. This boat
> is a lot of fun and
> quite seaworthy if the sailor knows what s/he is
> doing, but it's too
> little to do anything beyond a one-night stay on the
> water for a couple
> (my wife and me). With a kid or two, it would be
> really crowded.
>
> Thanks guys for any info/input
> Tom (Welther)
>
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I have never actually seen either a Micro or a Long Micro. I am a fan
of the longer version, however. I think the somewhat more structured
interior would be a big advantage. Ultimate seaworthyness is probably
about the same. The Long Micro would be significantly faster which
could be a big factor, increasing your daily cruising range by 5 or
10 miles.
The reason I am posting has to do with trailering. I have a 2250
pound sloop which I trailer behind a minivan. Your vehicle is
entirely adequate for the larger boat. No worries there.
Both boats, certainly the Long one, are heavy enough to require
putting the trailer underwater for float on/float off. (Comments from
the experienced solicited here.) The ease of launch and retrieve is
greatly affected by the draft of the boat and the quality of the
ramp. Great attention to the details of the trailer arrangements are
greatly worthwhile.
Do not underestimate the "initialization energy" required to get the
boat from the trailer to the dock. It takes time and energy to get
the rig up, and to get the rig put away. This may well be the most
important arguement for the smaller boat.
Peter
of the longer version, however. I think the somewhat more structured
interior would be a big advantage. Ultimate seaworthyness is probably
about the same. The Long Micro would be significantly faster which
could be a big factor, increasing your daily cruising range by 5 or
10 miles.
The reason I am posting has to do with trailering. I have a 2250
pound sloop which I trailer behind a minivan. Your vehicle is
entirely adequate for the larger boat. No worries there.
Both boats, certainly the Long one, are heavy enough to require
putting the trailer underwater for float on/float off. (Comments from
the experienced solicited here.) The ease of launch and retrieve is
greatly affected by the draft of the boat and the quality of the
ramp. Great attention to the details of the trailer arrangements are
greatly worthwhile.
Do not underestimate the "initialization energy" required to get the
boat from the trailer to the dock. It takes time and energy to get
the rig up, and to get the rig put away. This may well be the most
important arguement for the smaller boat.
Peter
Tom,
With your having sailed the Potter 15 and having "talked" to Peter about his Micro you now know that volumetrically the Micro is huge compared to the Potter. What are you looking for in the Long Micro that you feel can't be had in the "standard" Micro? I met a couple who, along with their two childern (5 and 7 perhaps), were enjoying a 2 week cruise on their Micro in the San Jaun Islands of Washington State. Almost without fail the amount of use a boat gets is inversely proportional to its length; there are exceptions but not very many. The smallest boat that will safely and comfortably get the job done is the best bet.
My opinions only and YMMV :-)
Les Lampman
Cornet Bay, Whidbey Island, Washington
With your having sailed the Potter 15 and having "talked" to Peter about his Micro you now know that volumetrically the Micro is huge compared to the Potter. What are you looking for in the Long Micro that you feel can't be had in the "standard" Micro? I met a couple who, along with their two childern (5 and 7 perhaps), were enjoying a 2 week cruise on their Micro in the San Jaun Islands of Washington State. Almost without fail the amount of use a boat gets is inversely proportional to its length; there are exceptions but not very many. The smallest boat that will safely and comfortably get the job done is the best bet.
My opinions only and YMMV :-)
Les Lampman
Cornet Bay, Whidbey Island, Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Welther
To: Bolger
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:21 AM
Subject: [bolger] Micro vs. Long Micro
Dear Fellow Sailors,
Having (been)discovered (by) the Micro some time back, I have decided
that I would like to build one; however, this popular design comes in
two versions, the regular and the long one. First, may heart was set on
the regular-sized Micro; however, now I'm beginning to waver and asking
myself whether I shouldn't strike out for the long version.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Dear Fellow Sailors,
Having (been)discovered (by) the Micro some time back, I have decided
that I would like to build one; however, this popular design comes in
two versions, the regular and the long one. First, may heart was set on
the regular-sized Micro; however, now I'm beginning to waver and asking
myself whether I shouldn't strike out for the long version. To help me
in making a decision, I would truly appreciate any constructive input
you might be able to give me concerning the following points:
* How difficult is it to trailer the long Micro?
* How large of a towing vehicle would a person need to haul it out of
the water? I drive a 4 cylinder Nissan truck that is rated at a towing
capacity of 3500 lbs. Would that do it, or would I need more?
* Would it be realistic to build the long version of the Micro if the
prinicpal means of storing it would be on a trailer. In other words,
I'm
a trailer sailor and don't want to get stuck with a boat that needs to
be moored permanently.
*I understand that if the wind pipes up, reefing has to be done earlier
on the long version. Is the long version generally a less able craft in
strong winds than the regular version? Or will the advantage of two or
even three sets of reefing points balance the scale between the two
models in strong winds?
*Has anybody sailed both versions? If so, I would really appreciate
some
comparative instructions/input.
*Would it be hard to find a trailer for the long version?
*Finally, has anyone out there trailered the long version? If so, what
has it been like?
I have written to Peter, the intrepid arctic sailor and boat builder on
the mighty St. Lawrence, and he has really given me tons of valuable
input concerning the regular version of the Micro; thus, I'm really
well
informed about this boat. But I have only little info on the long
version, aside from the info I could find on the few webpages on the
long Micro.
My intentions are to do week-end cruises on lakes in Texas, the Laguna
Madre, and some coastal, fair-weather cruising on the Gulf of Mexico.
Essentially, I have been doing this with a little Potter-15, which is
basically a 14-foot dinghy with a cabin. This boat is a lot of fun and
quite seaworthy if the sailor knows what s/he is doing, but it's too
little to do anything beyond a one-night stay on the water for a couple
(my wife and me). With a kid or two, it would be really crowded.
Thanks guys for any info/input
Tom (Welther)
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Having (been)discovered (by) the Micro some time back, I have decided
that I would like to build one; however, this popular design comes in
two versions, the regular and the long one. First, may heart was set on
the regular-sized Micro; however, now I'm beginning to waver and asking
myself whether I shouldn't strike out for the long version. To help me
in making a decision, I would truly appreciate any constructive input
you might be able to give me concerning the following points:
* How difficult is it to trailer the long Micro?
* How large of a towing vehicle would a person need to haul it out of
the water? I drive a 4 cylinder Nissan truck that is rated at a towing
capacity of 3500 lbs. Would that do it, or would I need more?
* Would it be realistic to build the long version of the Micro if the
prinicpal means of storing it would be on a trailer. In other words,
I'm
a trailer sailor and don't want to get stuck with a boat that needs to
be moored permanently.
*I understand that if the wind pipes up, reefing has to be done earlier
on the long version. Is the long version generally a less able craft in
strong winds than the regular version? Or will the advantage of two or
even three sets of reefing points balance the scale between the two
models in strong winds?
*Has anybody sailed both versions? If so, I would really appreciate
some
comparative instructions/input.
*Would it be hard to find a trailer for the long version?
*Finally, has anyone out there trailered the long version? If so, what
has it been like?
I have written to Peter, the intrepid arctic sailor and boat builder on
the mighty St. Lawrence, and he has really given me tons of valuable
input concerning the regular version of the Micro; thus, I'm really
well
informed about this boat. But I have only little info on the long
version, aside from the info I could find on the few webpages on the
long Micro.
My intentions are to do week-end cruises on lakes in Texas, the Laguna
Madre, and some coastal, fair-weather cruising on the Gulf of Mexico.
Essentially, I have been doing this with a little Potter-15, which is
basically a 14-foot dinghy with a cabin. This boat is a lot of fun and
quite seaworthy if the sailor knows what s/he is doing, but it's too
little to do anything beyond a one-night stay on the water for a couple
(my wife and me). With a kid or two, it would be really crowded.
Thanks guys for any info/input
Tom (Welther)
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I would like to hear from builders the pros and cons of each of these
boats. I would like to know about usable space, sailing speed,
comparative building costs,etc. I am trying to decide which to build.
Will anyone have one or both at the Madisonville, LA Wooden Boat
Festival in September?
boats. I would like to know about usable space, sailing speed,
comparative building costs,etc. I am trying to decide which to build.
Will anyone have one or both at the Madisonville, LA Wooden Boat
Festival in September?