Re: Maiden voyage of my brick
Yes after sailing all day yesterday and fiddling(by grabing the foot
and pulling at different location on the foot) I could see that I had
cut to much luff curve in the sail for my current mast,
Todd
Its white duct tape on the sail.
and pulling at different location on the foot) I could see that I had
cut to much luff curve in the sail for my current mast,
Todd
Its white duct tape on the sail.
--- In bolger@y..., jeffbob@i... wrote:
> Could it be that the carbon fiber mast is too stiff? Not providing
> enough flexibility to bend to the curve of the leech when set and
> full?
>
> Jeff
>
> --- In bolger@y..., pateson@c... wrote:
> > Nice pics.
> > It would appear that your "Leech Line" is too tight.
> > (Is that "Duck tape" or some "High Speed Tape"?)
> > That shape should work great downwind.
> > I would recommend that you re-tape it, looser,
> > or remove it altogether. Set it Free.
> > If you want to get crazy, you could add a "Leech Line".
> > Try this while "Lawn Sailing". A lot easier than on
> > the water.
Could it be that the carbon fiber mast is too stiff? Not providing
enough flexibility to bend to the curve of the leech when set and
full?
Jeff
enough flexibility to bend to the curve of the leech when set and
full?
Jeff
--- In bolger@y..., pateson@c... wrote:
> Nice pics.
> It would appear that your "Leech Line" is too tight.
> (Is that "Duck tape" or some "High Speed Tape"?)
> That shape should work great downwind.
> I would recommend that you re-tape it, looser,
> or remove it altogether. Set it Free.
> If you want to get crazy, you could add a "Leech Line".
> Try this while "Lawn Sailing". A lot easier than on
> the water.
Nice pics.
It would appear that your "Leech Line" is too tight.
(Is that "Duck tape" or some "High Speed Tape"?)
That shape should work great downwind.
I would recommend that you re-tape it, looser,
or remove it altogether. Set it Free.
If you want to get crazy, you could add a "Leech Line".
Try this while "Lawn Sailing". A lot easier than on
the water.
Luckier than this.
http://www.nadn.navy.mil/SailingTeam/ap14july.htm
Good luck, but that should help.
Foot and Luff look good.
Also, references
http://hometown.aol.com/polysail/HTML/article.htm
http://marinersails.alaskamade.com/performancetips.html
Pat
It would appear that your "Leech Line" is too tight.
(Is that "Duck tape" or some "High Speed Tape"?)
That shape should work great downwind.
I would recommend that you re-tape it, looser,
or remove it altogether. Set it Free.
If you want to get crazy, you could add a "Leech Line".
Try this while "Lawn Sailing". A lot easier than on
the water.
Luckier than this.
http://www.nadn.navy.mil/SailingTeam/ap14july.htm
Good luck, but that should help.
Foot and Luff look good.
Also, references
http://hometown.aol.com/polysail/HTML/article.htm
http://marinersails.alaskamade.com/performancetips.html
Pat
>
>http://www.geocities.com/bitme1234/lawn_sailing.html
>
> Leach seems to close !?
> Any ideas on how to make the sail shape better would be great!
>
> Thanks ,
> Todd
--- In bolger@y..., "Todd" <bitme1234@y...> wrote:
http://www.geocities.com/bitme1234/lawn_sailing.html
Leach seems to close !?
Any ideas on how to make the sail shape better would be great!
Thanks ,
Todd
>http://www.geocities.com/bitme1234/Yard_sailing.htmlBad link try this
>
http://www.geocities.com/bitme1234/lawn_sailing.html
Leach seems to close !?
Any ideas on how to make the sail shape better would be great!
Thanks ,
Todd
>http://www.geocities.com/bitme1234/Yard_sailing.htmlOOPS bad link try this
>
http://www.geocities.com/bitme1234/lawn_sailing.html
Would love some in put on the sail shape and how to correct it. The
leech looks to closed . Am I wrong ? If were open more would it
flutter?
Todd
--- In bolger@y..., <darus@v...> wrote:
mast being 6'' shorter than what is called for. I made the luff
13'9'' the leech 13'1'',and the foot 8'8''.The head is 40 degrees the
tack is 70. The luff has a 5'' curve about 1/3 up from the tack and
tapers to both ends with the farest curve I could make.The leech is
hollowed out by 2'' at center roughly and the foot is cut straight.
I used the instruction at
http://hometown.aol.com/polysail/HTML/article.htm
The duct tape is white. Its around the sails edges and diagonal
strips on both sides for reinforcments at the clue, tack, and head.
total weight.Used what i had laying around. My sprit is a 1''
diameter with 1/4 '' holes on both ends for the snotter and tackle.
http://www.geocities.com/bitme1234/Yard_sailing.html
for 3 years . In these sports you need to have your apparent wind up
before you can tack the wind so bearing off for speed and directional
control is a given, verses pinching and slogging in your own wake.
Just bear off a little and then start to come up gradually until you
find the sweet spot.
Todd
> From one Brick builder to another, Congratulations!I made the sail according to the plans with one exception. Due to my
> Wonderful feeling, isn't it?
>
> What sail plan did you follow to make your sail?
> I don't see any duct tape!? (:
mast being 6'' shorter than what is called for. I made the luff
13'9'' the leech 13'1'',and the foot 8'8''.The head is 40 degrees the
tack is 70. The luff has a 5'' curve about 1/3 up from the tack and
tapers to both ends with the farest curve I could make.The leech is
hollowed out by 2'' at center roughly and the foot is cut straight.
I used the instruction at
http://hometown.aol.com/polysail/HTML/article.htm
The duct tape is white. Its around the sails edges and diagonal
strips on both sides for reinforcments at the clue, tack, and head.
> How did you make your mast?My mast is an old fiber spar 5000 460 2 piece 100% carbon 3 1/2 lb
total weight.Used what i had laying around. My sprit is a 1''
diameter with 1/4 '' holes on both ends for the snotter and tackle.
http://www.geocities.com/bitme1234/Yard_sailing.html
> I'm glad you could get yours to tack. I was sailing my brick onLabor Day
> and had an awful time getting it to tack, but thats a subject foranother
> post.I have been windsurfing for some years now and have been kitesurfing
for 3 years . In these sports you need to have your apparent wind up
before you can tack the wind so bearing off for speed and directional
control is a given, verses pinching and slogging in your own wake.
Just bear off a little and then start to come up gradually until you
find the sweet spot.
Todd
I think your post adequately explains what happened, but you could
have been pinching too. Pinching is when you are headed up too close
to the wind. As a result, the sail needs to be sheeted in too tight,
so that even though it's full, you're not moving very fast. You need a
certain amount of momentum to tack. In fact, with boats like the Brick
it seems that giving up a few degrees of pointing will actually
increase your speed made good to windward. I'm talking only 5 or a max
of 10 degrees, though. With the Bohndell sail, Brick points pretty
well.
Another possibility: there is usually a particular amount of rudder
that is best for tacking. Too little and you lose your momentum before
you come around, too much and it acts like a brake.
Instead of making a longer tiller, you might try a hiking stick. Of
course you may find that even when it's down, the rudder requires too
much force. For a hiking stick, I've lashed a light stick to the end
of the tiller in such a manner that it swivels reasonably freely.
Works fine. You don't generally need to hike in the Brick, but it
makes it easier to get forward. Another good thing is if the tiller
pivots up so you can scoot under it.
have been pinching too. Pinching is when you are headed up too close
to the wind. As a result, the sail needs to be sheeted in too tight,
so that even though it's full, you're not moving very fast. You need a
certain amount of momentum to tack. In fact, with boats like the Brick
it seems that giving up a few degrees of pointing will actually
increase your speed made good to windward. I'm talking only 5 or a max
of 10 degrees, though. With the Bohndell sail, Brick points pretty
well.
Another possibility: there is usually a particular amount of rudder
that is best for tacking. Too little and you lose your momentum before
you come around, too much and it acts like a brake.
Instead of making a longer tiller, you might try a hiking stick. Of
course you may find that even when it's down, the rudder requires too
much force. For a hiking stick, I've lashed a light stick to the end
of the tiller in such a manner that it swivels reasonably freely.
Works fine. You don't generally need to hike in the Brick, but it
makes it easier to get forward. Another good thing is if the tiller
pivots up so you can scoot under it.
--- In bolger@y..., <darus@v...> wrote:
> > Our Brick seems to tack quite well. Wonder what's different. (Ours
is
> > fairly stock). Are you sure you weren't pinching?
>
> Whats pinching?
>
> I had a number of things wrong with my setup. See my other post
regarding my
> tackless brick.
Great job! She looks fantastic.
I'm looking forward to starting mine in the very near future.
How long did it take you to build?
I'd be very interested to see some other detailed photos of your
rudder assembly as well as the mast/sprit and rigging.
How was the sailmaking effort? More/less complicated than imagined?
What about materials? Did you use any epoxy and fiberglass tape?
How was her balance? Did you sail with any passengers? Is she
comfortable?
Sorry for the million questions but I'm excited too.
BTW, nice wheelie.
I'm looking forward to starting mine in the very near future.
How long did it take you to build?
I'd be very interested to see some other detailed photos of your
rudder assembly as well as the mast/sprit and rigging.
How was the sailmaking effort? More/less complicated than imagined?
What about materials? Did you use any epoxy and fiberglass tape?
How was her balance? Did you sail with any passengers? Is she
comfortable?
Sorry for the million questions but I'm excited too.
BTW, nice wheelie.
> Our Brick seems to tack quite well. Wonder what's different. (Ours isWhats pinching?
> fairly stock). Are you sure you weren't pinching?
I had a number of things wrong with my setup. See my other post regarding my
tackless brick.
Our Brick seems to tack quite well. Wonder what's different. (Ours is
fairly stock). Are you sure you weren't pinching?
fairly stock). Are you sure you weren't pinching?
--- In bolger@y..., <darus@v...> wrote:
snip
> I'm glad you could get yours to tack. I was sailing my brick on
Labor Day
> and had an awful time getting it to tack, but thats a subject for
another
> post.
> Sorry to be off the subject but very excited and thought I'd share.Not off subject at all, as far as I can see.
> here are a few shots of theFrom one Brick builder to another, Congratulations!
> first time on the water with my polysail brick.
Wonderful feeling, isn't it?
What sail plan did you follow to make your sail?
I don't see any duct tape!? (:
How did you make your mast?
> The boat is great fun, very stable. For what it is its fast andI'm glad you could get yours to tack. I was sailing my brick on Labor Day
> tacks the wind very well.
and had an awful time getting it to tack, but thats a subject for another
post.
Sorry to be off the subject but very excited and thought I'd share.
Loaded my brick on my truck and was at the beach by 10:30am. The
wind was a steady 10 and increasing by 12:30 it was averaging 16 with
gusts to 22, according to my friends wind pager. So I was sitting on
the beach waiting for the wind to die after the fist 30 minutes of
sailing.The wind never did let up ,but here are a few shots of the
first time on the water with my polysail brick.
http://www.geocities.com/bitme1234/sailing_my_polysail_brik.html
The boat is great fun, very stable. For what it is its fast and
tacks the wind very well. I am looking foward to my next adventure in
my brick. Tomorrow perhaps.
Thank you all for the help and information this group has provided me.
Now I just need to find room to build my micro!
Todd
Loaded my brick on my truck and was at the beach by 10:30am. The
wind was a steady 10 and increasing by 12:30 it was averaging 16 with
gusts to 22, according to my friends wind pager. So I was sitting on
the beach waiting for the wind to die after the fist 30 minutes of
sailing.The wind never did let up ,but here are a few shots of the
first time on the water with my polysail brick.
http://www.geocities.com/bitme1234/sailing_my_polysail_brik.html
The boat is great fun, very stable. For what it is its fast and
tacks the wind very well. I am looking foward to my next adventure in
my brick. Tomorrow perhaps.
Thank you all for the help and information this group has provided me.
Now I just need to find room to build my micro!
Todd