Re: New Gypsy on first trip
Sorry Roger. I was asleep at the switch. Forward (curved) edge rounded,
after (straight) edge tapered. But I agree. Don't mess with a good thing.
The only likely problem might be higher impact if you hit a rock or other
submerged object. There might be a minimal reduction of responce when
tacking, but I suspect its neglible. If and when you get a breakage you can
change it accordingly.
I caution against challenging Phil Lea to a race in almost any circumstance.
As I mentioned before, he repeatedly left everybody in the wake of his June
Bug at the Mohone Bay races two years ago, including Wind Sprints and Light
Schooners, not to mention our June Bug. I'd at least advise against putting
money on it.
jeb, sighing deeply as I plug ahead with shop building while June Bug and
Gypsy sit on trailer and skids in these sweet last day of summer breezes on
the shores of Fundy
after (straight) edge tapered. But I agree. Don't mess with a good thing.
The only likely problem might be higher impact if you hit a rock or other
submerged object. There might be a minimal reduction of responce when
tacking, but I suspect its neglible. If and when you get a breakage you can
change it accordingly.
I caution against challenging Phil Lea to a race in almost any circumstance.
As I mentioned before, he repeatedly left everybody in the wake of his June
Bug at the Mohone Bay races two years ago, including Wind Sprints and Light
Schooners, not to mention our June Bug. I'd at least advise against putting
money on it.
jeb, sighing deeply as I plug ahead with shop building while June Bug and
Gypsy sit on trailer and skids in these sweet last day of summer breezes on
the shores of Fundy
--- In bolger@y..., roger99a@h... wrote:
photos demonstrating the marking, rounding and tapering of the
rudder, states: "Rounding off the leading edge of the rudder and
tapering its trailing edge to avoid vibration under sail."
In the book the leading edge (to be rounded)is the curved edge and
the trailing edge (to be tapered)is the straight edge.
So if you rounded the straight edge and tapered the curved edge and
then mounted the rudder backwards, it's nearly a case of two wrongs
making a right--a half-right anyway. Your rounding and tapering is
perfect for your reverse-mounted rudder. It is only the shape which
is reversed from the plan. I don't sail, but I wonder how much
difference it will make as long as you have the front rounded and the
back tapered. And it seems a shame to make an issue of the rudder
when the decking and color show such style and flair. Nice job.
> I do believe I rounded the strait edge and tapered the curvededge.
> I believe thats how it was done in the book (if I could only findthe
> *#$@ book) and the strait edge is the leading edge.. so isn't thatRoger, I have the book. Page 55 on the caption of a series of
> right?
>
> Someone have the book?
photos demonstrating the marking, rounding and tapering of the
rudder, states: "Rounding off the leading edge of the rudder and
tapering its trailing edge to avoid vibration under sail."
In the book the leading edge (to be rounded)is the curved edge and
the trailing edge (to be tapered)is the straight edge.
So if you rounded the straight edge and tapered the curved edge and
then mounted the rudder backwards, it's nearly a case of two wrongs
making a right--a half-right anyway. Your rounding and tapering is
perfect for your reverse-mounted rudder. It is only the shape which
is reversed from the plan. I don't sail, but I wonder how much
difference it will make as long as you have the front rounded and the
back tapered. And it seems a shame to make an issue of the rudder
when the decking and color show such style and flair. Nice job.
I do believe I rounded the strait edge and tapered the curved edge.
I believe thats how it was done in the book (if I could only find the
*#$@ book) and the strait edge is the leading edge.. so isn't that
right?
Someone have the book?
OK, here's what happened. It was originally cut to be the
centerboard and I goofed it up. Not wanting to waste so much ply I
made it into the rudder. It's 3 plys thick, too. Just like the
centerboard, so it should take a considerable beating.
Thanks for the heads up about the Junebug beating you up. I guess
I'll forget all about running down to Phillip Lea's neighborhood with
my chest all puffed up wanting to race.
Roger S
I believe thats how it was done in the book (if I could only find the
*#$@ book) and the strait edge is the leading edge.. so isn't that
right?
Someone have the book?
OK, here's what happened. It was originally cut to be the
centerboard and I goofed it up. Not wanting to waste so much ply I
made it into the rudder. It's 3 plys thick, too. Just like the
centerboard, so it should take a considerable beating.
Thanks for the heads up about the Junebug beating you up. I guess
I'll forget all about running down to Phillip Lea's neighborhood with
my chest all puffed up wanting to race.
Roger S
--- In bolger@y..., "Jack E. Bearden" <jalo@i...> wrote:
> Don't be embarrassed, Roger. An easy mistake. I sailed my June Bug
for more
> than a year with the round and the tapper on the leaboard reversed.
I even
> called Harold Payson for advice on getting rid of the annoying
vibration and
> noise. He couldn't figure out what would cause those problems. I
even raced
> the thing with it like that! No wonder I did so poorly. I had to re-
shape
> the leaboard. You can't just turn them around on the June Bug.
After that it
> sailed like a charm. Only I sheared it off on a rock the first time
out.
> After fixing it again I finally got to race it against the Gypsy.
The June
> bug literally sailed circles around the Gypsy. But I was sailing
the Gypsy
> and my wife was skippering the June Bug. She's by far the best
sailor in
> this family. I'm a bit reluctant to trade boats with her and try
again.
>
> Yes, if you rounded the curved edge and tapered the straight edge
you did it
> exactly right. Just flip it around. With the rounded edge forward
it'll more
> take less punishment hitting rocks and other submerged objects and
will be
> less likely to dig in if you ground. There's a huge amount of
leverage on
> the extended rudder (I've broken mine twice)so every bit of
advantage helps.
> Got a line up for on-line time here in the Bearden household so
will have to
> check out your new pictures tomorrow. Look forward to seeing the
enterior shots.
>
> jeb, watching sunsets noticably earlier every night on the
darkening shores
> of Fundy
Don't be embarrassed, Roger. An easy mistake. I sailed my June Bug for more
than a year with the round and the tapper on the leaboard reversed. I even
called Harold Payson for advice on getting rid of the annoying vibration and
noise. He couldn't figure out what would cause those problems. I even raced
the thing with it like that! No wonder I did so poorly. I had to re-shape
the leaboard. You can't just turn them around on the June Bug. After that it
sailed like a charm. Only I sheared it off on a rock the first time out.
After fixing it again I finally got to race it against the Gypsy. The June
bug literally sailed circles around the Gypsy. But I was sailing the Gypsy
and my wife was skippering the June Bug. She's by far the best sailor in
this family. I'm a bit reluctant to trade boats with her and try again.
Yes, if you rounded the curved edge and tapered the straight edge you did it
exactly right. Just flip it around. With the rounded edge forward it'll more
take less punishment hitting rocks and other submerged objects and will be
less likely to dig in if you ground. There's a huge amount of leverage on
the extended rudder (I've broken mine twice)so every bit of advantage helps.
Got a line up for on-line time here in the Bearden household so will have to
check out your new pictures tomorrow. Look forward to seeing the enterior shots.
jeb, watching sunsets noticably earlier every night on the darkening shores
of Fundy
than a year with the round and the tapper on the leaboard reversed. I even
called Harold Payson for advice on getting rid of the annoying vibration and
noise. He couldn't figure out what would cause those problems. I even raced
the thing with it like that! No wonder I did so poorly. I had to re-shape
the leaboard. You can't just turn them around on the June Bug. After that it
sailed like a charm. Only I sheared it off on a rock the first time out.
After fixing it again I finally got to race it against the Gypsy. The June
bug literally sailed circles around the Gypsy. But I was sailing the Gypsy
and my wife was skippering the June Bug. She's by far the best sailor in
this family. I'm a bit reluctant to trade boats with her and try again.
Yes, if you rounded the curved edge and tapered the straight edge you did it
exactly right. Just flip it around. With the rounded edge forward it'll more
take less punishment hitting rocks and other submerged objects and will be
less likely to dig in if you ground. There's a huge amount of leverage on
the extended rudder (I've broken mine twice)so every bit of advantage helps.
Got a line up for on-line time here in the Bearden household so will have to
check out your new pictures tomorrow. Look forward to seeing the enterior shots.
jeb, watching sunsets noticably earlier every night on the darkening shores
of Fundy
I can't find my instant boats book (I moved last week) but the pics
athttp://www.instantboats.comindicate that I indeed mounted the
rudder blade backwards. I'm so embarrassed.
Anyway, I posted some pictures of the rudder and interior: look for
pictures named details000X.jpg at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Arkansas%20Gypsy/
I did round the front and taper the entire curved side. That is
correct, no?
Roger S
athttp://www.instantboats.comindicate that I indeed mounted the
rudder blade backwards. I'm so embarrassed.
Anyway, I posted some pictures of the rudder and interior: look for
pictures named details000X.jpg at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Arkansas%20Gypsy/
I did round the front and taper the entire curved side. That is
correct, no?
Roger S
--- In bolger@y..., "Jack E. Bearden" <jalo@i...> wrote:
> Hi Roger. Take a look at the sail plan picture with the rudder
blade down.
> Notice the curved edge is forward. If you rounded and feathered the
edges as
> the plans call for, and then sailed it with the blade reversed
you'll likely
> experience some turbulence that will cause vibration and slow you
down in
> moderate to strong winds. But then again, if you notice no problem,
there
> probably isn't one. I too am intrigued by your deck work. It looks
great.
>
> jeb, building one bow shed frame at a time (for a new shop), on the
balmy
> but soon to be wintry shores of Fundy
Hi Roger. Take a look at the sail plan picture with the rudder blade down.
Notice the curved edge is forward. If you rounded and feathered the edges as
the plans call for, and then sailed it with the blade reversed you'll likely
experience some turbulence that will cause vibration and slow you down in
moderate to strong winds. But then again, if you notice no problem, there
probably isn't one. I too am intrigued by your deck work. It looks great.
jeb, building one bow shed frame at a time (for a new shop), on the balmy
but soon to be wintry shores of Fundy
Notice the curved edge is forward. If you rounded and feathered the edges as
the plans call for, and then sailed it with the blade reversed you'll likely
experience some turbulence that will cause vibration and slow you down in
moderate to strong winds. But then again, if you notice no problem, there
probably isn't one. I too am intrigued by your deck work. It looks great.
jeb, building one bow shed frame at a time (for a new shop), on the balmy
but soon to be wintry shores of Fundy
Criminy! Did I install it backwards? Where's my Instant Boats
book....
Are you sure? It worked OK, but there wasn't much wind.
Roger S
book....
Are you sure? It worked OK, but there wasn't much wind.
Roger S
--- In bolger@y..., "Jack E. Bearden" <jalo@i...> wrote:
> Beautiful job, Roger! She looks glorious under sail. I notice your
rudder
> blade is reversed in the trailer photos. Did you sail her that way?
Notice
> any vibration? ... or did you feather the aft edge with that
arrangement?
>
> It would be great if you and Phil Lea could link up to do an
Arkansas convoy
> to Nova Scotia for the Wooden Boat Festival races in Mahone Bay
next summer.
> Two Gypsies and two June Bugs would round out the competition very
nicely.
> I'm seriously planning to experiment with an 80 sq. ft.(Tyvek)
sprit rig on
> my Gypsy next year. I'm convinced it can handle it (famous last
words?).
>
> jeb, clinging to the fleeting days of summer on the autumnal shores
of Fundy
Beautiful job, Roger! She looks glorious under sail. I notice your rudder
blade is reversed in the trailer photos. Did you sail her that way? Notice
any vibration? ... or did you feather the aft edge with that arrangement?
It would be great if you and Phil Lea could link up to do an Arkansas convoy
to Nova Scotia for the Wooden Boat Festival races in Mahone Bay next summer.
Two Gypsies and two June Bugs would round out the competition very nicely.
I'm seriously planning to experiment with an 80 sq. ft.(Tyvek) sprit rig on
my Gypsy next year. I'm convinced it can handle it (famous last words?).
jeb, clinging to the fleeting days of summer on the autumnal shores of Fundy
blade is reversed in the trailer photos. Did you sail her that way? Notice
any vibration? ... or did you feather the aft edge with that arrangement?
It would be great if you and Phil Lea could link up to do an Arkansas convoy
to Nova Scotia for the Wooden Boat Festival races in Mahone Bay next summer.
Two Gypsies and two June Bugs would round out the competition very nicely.
I'm seriously planning to experiment with an 80 sq. ft.(Tyvek) sprit rig on
my Gypsy next year. I'm convinced it can handle it (famous last words?).
jeb, clinging to the fleeting days of summer on the autumnal shores of Fundy