[bolger] Re: #605 Motorsailer?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james fuller [mailto:jamar@...]
> Sent: 28 December, 1999 9:41 PM
> To:bolger@...
> Subject: [bolger] Re: #605 Motorsailer?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Who is FGCI?
>
> Thanks
>
> james
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Lundy" <robert@...>
> To: <bolger@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 7:45 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: #605 Motorsailer?
>
>
> > John-
> >
> > If you're getting prices, try FGCI-they had a sign up the other day
> > indicating they're stocking marine ply ("marine-tech"). The 1/4" had a
> > price of $25.xx a sheet, which seemed reasonable to me since 1/4 ACX
> > fir is $20 a sheet down here. which is why I'm using bcx pine.
> >
> > Let me know if you're following up-maybe I can take a pic and e-mail it
> > to you for quality check. I've been really happy with my pine ply,
> > curls and all. the 1/4 is really good stuff, even from Home depot, not
> > one void ripping all the side material for a windsprint. The 1/2 is
> > spotty, you have to wait till they get a better pallet in.
> >
> >
> > "john bell" <jmbel-@...> wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1486
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Matthew Long <owlnmole@...>
> > >
> > > > I am beginning to sketch, on paper and in my head, one of Jim
> > Michalak's
> > > Birdwatcher prams (Scram Pram or IMB) with a small pilothouse at one
> > end. I
> > > am not sure how those hulls would behave under enough power to plane,
> > > though.
> > > >
> > > > Any comments or other suggestions?
> > >
> > > Putting a lot of power on Scram or IMB would be a bad idea, IMO. The
> > two
> > > boats are definitely displacement hulls are not really designed to
> > plane,
> > > per se. Nor are they designed to carry a big motor on the transom.
> > IMB is
> > > designed for oars and might be ok with a electric motor. Scram would
> > be very
> > > happy with 2 HP.
> > >
> > > FWIW, I've seen a Scram in person and have got the plans for IMB.
> > Scram
> > > really is a big boat for it's size, with room for four in good
> > comfort. I
> > > believe Don Carron in Knoxville has the Scram prototype and is using
> > it as
> > > a motor cruiser while he builds a sailing rig. You ought to look him
> > up and
> > > get his thoughts.
> > >
> > > From what I've read, it seems harder to design a good planing
> > powerboat than
> > > it is a sailboat. Everything also seems to say that putting a bunch
> > of power
> > > on a hull can make it go fast, but it might not be safe, comfortable,
> > or
> > > controllable.
> > >
> > > I'm starting an IMB myself. Just today, to try to grasp the scale of
> > the
> > > project, I laid out the shape in plan view on my garage floor this
> > > afternoon. It really is one *small* boat. I think the "cabin" will be
> > snug,
> > > but adequate for me, my wife and our two small children. When the
> > kids get
> > > bigger, we'll certainly be needing a larger boat. (A bit of planned
> > > obsolescence on the builder's part, maybe? Maybe then my wife will
> > *tell* me
> > > it's time to build another instead of reluctantly agreeing to let me
> > > proceed!)
> > >
> > > IMB update: I had planned to start cutting tomorrow, but a trip to the
> > > lumberyard depressed me too much. Their plywood is of such abysmal
> > quality
> > > I'm seriously looking at biting the bullet and buying real marine
> > plywood.
> > > Anybody ever dealt with Noah's for marine ply?
> > >
> > > John Bell
> > > Kennesaw, GA
> > >jmbell@...
> > >http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
> > >
> >
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matthew Long <owlnmole@...>
>
> > I am beginning to sketch, on paper and in my head, one of Jim

> Birdwatcher prams (Scram Pram or IMB) with a small pilothouse at one

> am not sure how those hulls would behave under enough power to plane,
> though.
> >
> > Any comments or other suggestions?
>
> Putting a lot of power on Scram or IMB would be a bad idea, IMO. The

> boats are definitely displacement hulls are not really designed to

> per se. Nor are they designed to carry a big motor on the transom.

> designed for oars and might be ok with a electric motor. Scram would

> happy with 2 HP.
>
> FWIW, I've seen a Scram in person and have got the plans for IMB.

> really is a big boat for it's size, with room for four in good

> believe Don Carron in Knoxville has the Scram prototype and is using

> a motor cruiser while he builds a sailing rig. You ought to look him

> get his thoughts.
>
> From what I've read, it seems harder to design a good planing

> it is a sailboat. Everything also seems to say that putting a bunch

> on a hull can make it go fast, but it might not be safe, comfortable,

> controllable.
>
> I'm starting an IMB myself. Just today, to try to grasp the scale of

> project, I laid out the shape in plan view on my garage floor this
> afternoon. It really is one *small* boat. I think the "cabin" will be

> but adequate for me, my wife and our two small children. When the

> bigger, we'll certainly be needing a larger boat. (A bit of planned
> obsolescence on the builder's part, maybe? Maybe then my wife will

> it's time to build another instead of reluctantly agreeing to let me
> proceed!)
>
> IMB update: I had planned to start cutting tomorrow, but a trip to the
> lumberyard depressed me too much. Their plywood is of such abysmal

> I'm seriously looking at biting the bullet and buying real marine

> Anybody ever dealt with Noah's for marine ply?
>
> John Bell
> Kennesaw, GA
>jmbell@...
>http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Lundy" <robert@...>
To: <bolger@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 7:45 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: #605 Motorsailer?


> John-
>
> If you're getting prices, try FGCI-they had a sign up the other day
> indicating they're stocking marine ply ("marine-tech"). The 1/4" had a
> price of $25.xx a sheet, which seemed reasonable to me since 1/4 ACX
> fir is $20 a sheet down here. which is why I'm using bcx pine.
>
> Let me know if you're following up-maybe I can take a pic and e-mail it
> to you for quality check. I've been really happy with my pine ply,
> curls and all. the 1/4 is really good stuff, even from Home depot, not
> one void ripping all the side material for a windsprint. The 1/2 is
> spotty, you have to wait till they get a better pallet in.
>
>
> "john bell" <jmbel-@...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1486
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Matthew Long <owlnmole@...>
> >
> > > I am beginning to sketch, on paper and in my head, one of Jim
> Michalak's
> > Birdwatcher prams (Scram Pram or IMB) with a small pilothouse at one
> end. I
> > am not sure how those hulls would behave under enough power to plane,
> > though.
> > >
> > > Any comments or other suggestions?
> >
> > Putting a lot of power on Scram or IMB would be a bad idea, IMO. The
> two
> > boats are definitely displacement hulls are not really designed to
> plane,
> > per se. Nor are they designed to carry a big motor on the transom.
> IMB is
> > designed for oars and might be ok with a electric motor. Scram would
> be very
> > happy with 2 HP.
> >
> > FWIW, I've seen a Scram in person and have got the plans for IMB.
> Scram
> > really is a big boat for it's size, with room for four in good
> comfort. I
> > believe Don Carron in Knoxville has the Scram prototype and is using
> it as
> > a motor cruiser while he builds a sailing rig. You ought to look him
> up and
> > get his thoughts.
> >
> > From what I've read, it seems harder to design a good planing
> powerboat than
> > it is a sailboat. Everything also seems to say that putting a bunch
> of power
> > on a hull can make it go fast, but it might not be safe, comfortable,
> or
> > controllable.
> >
> > I'm starting an IMB myself. Just today, to try to grasp the scale of
> the
> > project, I laid out the shape in plan view on my garage floor this
> > afternoon. It really is one *small* boat. I think the "cabin" will be
> snug,
> > but adequate for me, my wife and our two small children. When the
> kids get
> > bigger, we'll certainly be needing a larger boat. (A bit of planned
> > obsolescence on the builder's part, maybe? Maybe then my wife will
> *tell* me
> > it's time to build another instead of reluctantly agreeing to let me
> > proceed!)
> >
> > IMB update: I had planned to start cutting tomorrow, but a trip to the
> > lumberyard depressed me too much. Their plywood is of such abysmal
> quality
> > I'm seriously looking at biting the bullet and buying real marine
> plywood.
> > Anybody ever dealt with Noah's for marine ply?
> >
> > John Bell
> > Kennesaw, GA
> >jmbell@...
> >http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
> >
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Long <owlnmole@...>

> I am beginning to sketch, on paper and in my head, one of Jim Michalak's
Birdwatcher prams (Scram Pram or IMB) with a small pilothouse at one end. I
am not sure how those hulls would behave under enough power to plane,
though.
>
> Any comments or other suggestions?

Putting a lot of power on Scram or IMB would be a bad idea, IMO. The two
boats are definitely displacement hulls are not really designed to plane,
per se. Nor are they designed to carry a big motor on the transom. IMB is
designed for oars and might be ok with a electric motor. Scram would be very
happy with 2 HP.

FWIW, I've seen a Scram in person and have got the plans for IMB. Scram
really is a big boat for it's size, with room for four in good comfort. I
believe Don Carron in Knoxville has the Scram prototype and is using it as
a motor cruiser while he builds a sailing rig. You ought to look him up and
get his thoughts.

From what I've read, it seems harder to design a good planing powerboat than
it is a sailboat. Everything also seems to say that putting a bunch of power
on a hull can make it go fast, but it might not be safe, comfortable, or
controllable.

I'm starting an IMB myself. Just today, to try to grasp the scale of the
project, I laid out the shape in plan view on my garage floor this
afternoon. It really is one *small* boat. I think the "cabin" will be snug,
but adequate for me, my wife and our two small children. When the kids get
bigger, we'll certainly be needing a larger boat. (A bit of planned
obsolescence on the builder's part, maybe? Maybe then my wife will *tell* me
it's time to build another instead of reluctantly agreeing to let me
proceed!)

IMB update: I had planned to start cutting tomorrow, but a trip to the
lumberyard depressed me too much. Their plywood is of such abysmal quality
I'm seriously looking at biting the bullet and buying real marine plywood.
Anybody ever dealt with Noah's for marine ply?

John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
jmbell@...
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com