Re: [bolger] Surform was Re: Woodworking - Norm and Roy

It is great for epoxy, particularly if still a little
soft.

I used a japanese style laminated blade plane for
which I made the dai for large parts of my trimaran,
everything from wood to trimimg back the glass. That
type blade mounting is so agresive, it worked pretty
well even when not sharp. But a surface that is
covered and smooth with epoxy, as will happen in
certain areas even before you coat, can be hard to
penetrate. Here the stubly surform gets more pressure
on all the points and can work better. For that
reason even when working flat surfaces I always use
one of the curved blades.

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> This is what a slovenly American wood-butcher

uses instead of a <BR>

> plane.<BR>

<BR>
I agree. Tried the sureform and prefer good wood files
for hacking <BR>
away material and then follow up with a plane to
smooth the lines.<BR>
<BR>
I have not tried the sureform on epoxy. Hmmm. maybe
I'll dig it out <BR>
of the trash and see how it works on the Swamp Yankee
epoxy mess I <BR>
have to deal with this weekend.<BR>

<BR>
Smile, it ain't all bad, :-) <BR>
Rich
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> This is what a slovenly American wood-butcher uses instead of a
> plane.

I agree. Tried the sureform and prefer good wood files for hacking
away material and then follow up with a plane to smooth the lines.

I have not tried the sureform on epoxy. Hmmm. maybe I'll dig it out
of the trash and see how it works on the Swamp Yankee epoxy mess I
have to deal with this weekend.

Smile, it ain't all bad, :-)
Rich

I'm with you Rich. I've had my planes sharpened by a pro and when working
with ACX ply, forget it. Works great for dimensional but fairing and such
with plywood, forget it.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <richard@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 11:53 AM
Subject: [bolger] Surform was Re: Woodworking - Norm and Roy

> Ok, tell me how your nice wood plane will work to take off epoxy goop
> and prepare a glass/epoxy/wood flour surface for fairing?
>
> I have three planes on the shelf in the shop. Never could get them to
> work worth a darn.
>
> --- In bolger@y..., pvanderw@o... wrote:
> > > I think he means a Stanley Surform File which is basically a
> cheese
> > > grater shaped like a file, sold at most stores.
> >
> > This is what a slovenly American wood-butcher uses instead of a
> > plane. It's cheap and the blade is replaced instead of being
> > sharpened. What could be better?
> >
> > Well, something that cuts cleanly and accurately, and which leaves
> a
> > truly smooth surface would be better. For example, a good, well-
> > sharpened plane. But you can produce a respectable Instant Boat
> using
> > the Surform tools. I found that the Surform tool was easier to use
> on
> > plywood (e.g. tapering the edges of the rudder) because of the
> cross-
> > grain and glue lines.
> >
> > PHV
>
>
>
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Ok, tell me how your nice wood plane will work to take off epoxy goop
and prepare a glass/epoxy/wood flour surface for fairing?

I have three planes on the shelf in the shop. Never could get them to
work worth a darn.

--- In bolger@y..., pvanderw@o... wrote:
> > I think he means a Stanley Surform File which is basically a
cheese
> > grater shaped like a file, sold at most stores.
>
> This is what a slovenly American wood-butcher uses instead of a
> plane. It's cheap and the blade is replaced instead of being
> sharpened. What could be better?
>
> Well, something that cuts cleanly and accurately, and which leaves
a
> truly smooth surface would be better. For example, a good, well-
> sharpened plane. But you can produce a respectable Instant Boat
using
> the Surform tools. I found that the Surform tool was easier to use
on
> plywood (e.g. tapering the edges of the rudder) because of the
cross-
> grain and glue lines.
>
> PHV

--- In bolger@y..., pvanderw@o... wrote:

> This is what a slovenly American wood-butcher uses instead of a
> plane. It's cheap and the blade is replaced instead of being
> sharpened. What could be better?

It is a nice tool for hogging out large amounts of material quickly.
I especially like the 1/2 round one. I haven't used one for boat
building though. I wouldn't think of using one where I could use a
plane though.

Pete

> I think he means a Stanley Surform File which is basically a cheese
> grater shaped like a file, sold at most stores.

This is what a slovenly American wood-butcher uses instead of a
plane. It's cheap and the blade is replaced instead of being
sharpened. What could be better?

Well, something that cuts cleanly and accurately, and which leaves a
truly smooth surface would be better. For example, a good, well-
sharpened plane. But you can produce a respectable Instant Boat using
the Surform tools. I found that the Surform tool was easier to use on
plywood (e.g. tapering the edges of the rudder) because of the cross-
grain and glue lines.

PHV

Its a cheese-grater type of rasp, made by Stanley in short, long, and
curved styles. You throw them in your tool box and never worry about
the edge(s) because the replacemant blades are cheap. They are for
rough work; they take a lickin and keep on tickin.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Blunck [mailto:boatbuilding@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 11:07 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Woodworking - Norm and Roy

What's a shurform rasp? Any links on the web to view one, purchase one?

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <richard@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:59 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Woodworking - Norm and Roy

> I've seen him show screw ups on his prototypes. Which is the crux of
> the matter, he builds a prototype first, so when he builds the one
> for the show, he has already done the job and knows what to do.
>
> Personaly, I like power tools, mainly for the presices cuts they
> allow. I am learning to dislike sanders though, and use a course file
> and a shurform rasp more and more. Especial in epoxy work.
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "Claude Conn" <claude_the_sailor@y...> wrote:
> > I don't watch much TV, but on occasion, i catch Norm Abrams or Roy
> > Underhill (Woodwright Shop). The one thing that amazes me about
> Norm
> > is that ALL his work is Perfect. Never an Awe s--t. Whereas, Roy,
> once
> > in a while, will screw-up a bit and say "close enough" and go on -
> > like real people would.
> >
> > I have found that using hand tools, you can move almost as much
> wood
> > as the average machine and in many cases, end up with just as
> accurate
> > a job.
> >
> > I have several machines, just like many guys, but rely more and
> mlore
> > on hand tools. Peeling off a large, fine chip with a hand plane is
> > just satisfying.
> >
> > I start with rough-sawn lumber, so I use a planer and jointer to
> get
> > started, but after that it is usually hand tools.
> >
> > Claude
> >
> > In Atlanta (Mich.) where winter is starting to gnaw away at my shop
> > time.
>
>
>
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I think he means a Stanley Surform File which is basically a cheese
grater shaped like a file, sold at most stores. See a picture at

http://www.friddles.com/stanley_surform_files_utilities.htm

--- In bolger@y..., "Jeff Blunck" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> What's a shurform rasp? Any links on the web to view one, purchase
one?
>
> Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <richard@s...>
> To: <bolger@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:59 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Woodworking - Norm and Roy
>
>
> > I've seen him show screw ups on his prototypes. Which is the crux
of
> > the matter, he builds a prototype first, so when he builds the one
> > for the show, he has already done the job and knows what to do.
> >
> > Personaly, I like power tools, mainly for the presices cuts they
> > allow. I am learning to dislike sanders though, and use a course
file
> > and a shurform rasp more and more. Especial in epoxy work.
> >
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., "Claude Conn" <claude_the_sailor@y...> wrote:
> > > I don't watch much TV, but on occasion, i catch Norm Abrams or
Roy
> > > Underhill (Woodwright Shop). The one thing that amazes me about
> > Norm
> > > is that ALL his work is Perfect. Never an Awe s--t. Whereas,
Roy,
> > once
> > > in a while, will screw-up a bit and say "close enough" and go
on -
> > > like real people would.
> > >
> > > I have found that using hand tools, you can move almost as much
> > wood
> > > as the average machine and in many cases, end up with just as
> > accurate
> > > a job.
> > >
> > > I have several machines, just like many guys, but rely more and
> > mlore
> > > on hand tools. Peeling off a large, fine chip with a hand plane
is
> > > just satisfying.
> > >
> > > I start with rough-sawn lumber, so I use a planer and jointer to
> > get
> > > started, but after that it is usually hand tools.
> > >
> > > Claude
> > >
> > > In Atlanta (Mich.) where winter is starting to gnaw away at my
shop
> > > time.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you
like
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >

What's a shurform rasp? Any links on the web to view one, purchase one?

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <richard@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:59 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Woodworking - Norm and Roy

> I've seen him show screw ups on his prototypes. Which is the crux of
> the matter, he builds a prototype first, so when he builds the one
> for the show, he has already done the job and knows what to do.
>
> Personaly, I like power tools, mainly for the presices cuts they
> allow. I am learning to dislike sanders though, and use a course file
> and a shurform rasp more and more. Especial in epoxy work.
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "Claude Conn" <claude_the_sailor@y...> wrote:
> > I don't watch much TV, but on occasion, i catch Norm Abrams or Roy
> > Underhill (Woodwright Shop). The one thing that amazes me about
> Norm
> > is that ALL his work is Perfect. Never an Awe s--t. Whereas, Roy,
> once
> > in a while, will screw-up a bit and say "close enough" and go on -
> > like real people would.
> >
> > I have found that using hand tools, you can move almost as much
> wood
> > as the average machine and in many cases, end up with just as
> accurate
> > a job.
> >
> > I have several machines, just like many guys, but rely more and
> mlore
> > on hand tools. Peeling off a large, fine chip with a hand plane is
> > just satisfying.
> >
> > I start with rough-sawn lumber, so I use a planer and jointer to
> get
> > started, but after that it is usually hand tools.
> >
> > Claude
> >
> > In Atlanta (Mich.) where winter is starting to gnaw away at my shop
> > time.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>

I've seen him show screw ups on his prototypes. Which is the crux of
the matter, he builds a prototype first, so when he builds the one
for the show, he has already done the job and knows what to do.

Personaly, I like power tools, mainly for the presices cuts they
allow. I am learning to dislike sanders though, and use a course file
and a shurform rasp more and more. Especial in epoxy work.

--- In bolger@y..., "Claude Conn" <claude_the_sailor@y...> wrote:
> I don't watch much TV, but on occasion, i catch Norm Abrams or Roy
> Underhill (Woodwright Shop). The one thing that amazes me about
Norm
> is that ALL his work is Perfect. Never an Awe s--t. Whereas, Roy,
once
> in a while, will screw-up a bit and say "close enough" and go on -
> like real people would.
>
> I have found that using hand tools, you can move almost as much
wood
> as the average machine and in many cases, end up with just as
accurate
> a job.
>
> I have several machines, just like many guys, but rely more and
mlore
> on hand tools. Peeling off a large, fine chip with a hand plane is
> just satisfying.
>
> I start with rough-sawn lumber, so I use a planer and jointer to
get
> started, but after that it is usually hand tools.
>
> Claude
>
> In Atlanta (Mich.) where winter is starting to gnaw away at my shop
> time.

I don't watch much TV, but on occasion, i catch Norm Abrams or Roy
Underhill (Woodwright Shop). The one thing that amazes me about Norm
is that ALL his work is Perfect. Never an Awe s--t. Whereas, Roy, once
in a while, will screw-up a bit and say "close enough" and go on -
like real people would.

I have found that using hand tools, you can move almost as much wood
as the average machine and in many cases, end up with just as accurate
a job.

I have several machines, just like many guys, but rely more and mlore
on hand tools. Peeling off a large, fine chip with a hand plane is
just satisfying.

I start with rough-sawn lumber, so I use a planer and jointer to get
started, but after that it is usually hand tools.

Claude

In Atlanta (Mich.) where winter is starting to gnaw away at my shop
time.